I think you should probably learn something about the devices. I have a VisorPhone Prism right now, which albeit big is a pretty good cell phone and just as good a PDA as your deluxe.
I can most certainly use my cell phone and PDA functionality at the same time and I commonly do. If my headset isn't handy, I just turn on the speakerphone volume and use my PDA functions while conversing at the same time.
If you lose your PDA and phone and they are separate devices, which is probably nearly as likely, you'll still need to replace both. For those that have done this, a product like this makes for a very good replacement for both.
As for the thumb keyboard, I've heard nothing but good reviews of the Treo 600s and I've tried the ones on the Treo 270 and 180. I'm a 315 lb, 6'5" adult male and I have very large hands - I had no problems.
There are just too many features this has beyond your Deluxe that make your statements weak. -N
My experience in all sorts of output mediums, including some PS RIPs in desktop printing showed Corel to be much more valuable than Adobe. The input and output filters by shear number and feature implementation were second to none. -N
I'll second that - I'm a huge CorelDraw zealot as I've been using it for years. I know the "real" pros use Adobe, but most of those people probably don't realize how ahead of the curve Corel was for graphics technology at times.
The interfaces between the packages were so different that to an Adobe person, Corel seemed lightweight and useless and from my perspective as a Corel user, Adobe often looked the same. Either way, preference goes and I miss using Corel a lot. I got a version of Corel9 for Windows running in WINE, but would much rather get the latest versions...
Somehow, I think Vector Capital may be doing this though... I can't imagine what they expect to do at this point, but it will probably be focusing on something that won't compete with MS at least until Corel gets back on its feet. If so, CorelDRAW is the perfect candidate to bring back to the market. -N
Someone else already pointed out that the open standard is not what's implemented. The BSD implementation is what is in use. That's not a standard, but an open implementation. Besides, the point of my post was still that the opensource software is responsible for the internet running. It's what is powering it, with good reason, regardless of your fantasies about commercial software. Without open source software, the internet would essentially be abandoned now and a new one would essentially have to be built in its place from scratch. Hell, even the Windows machines on it would be lost without the BSD implementation, so losing that implementation wouldn't even leave the leader in commercial software. So what exactly do you expect to be left running after the opensource BSD implementation is removed as easily as you describe? -N
Since this thread has now caused such a stir, I feel less like a hooked fish and will return momentarily...
For the most part people use Apache, BIND, sendmail, et al simply because THEY ARE FREE. Indeed, if people didn't use BIND or sendmail they would be much better off considering the holes in these products.
Well, your point was that the internet would be here without those servers. My point that it would come to a halt right now if everyone shut down their servers of just those 3 programs (not even including competitive opensource projects like other http servers, mail servers, and dns servers.). But since you mention it, they are far more feature-rich than any closed-source products I know of. That's why I chose them. When you're buying a server product, you're not buying a ton - almost any company can afford the $1000+ price tag once if it's appropriate. We could have when I was building our servers, but we chose not to.
The fact is, people love Open Source because it is FREE (as in beer). Corporations love it too, they get all of those developers to work for free (as in beer) while they reap the profits. In Redhats case the executives made HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars off of the community while contributing very little back.
I to like the free part - corporations care much less I imagine. But they are paying the developers for impelementing solutions. Those developers often use opensource products. Everyone's getting paid or making money here. Those developers are the opensource developers because they are contributing. And I don't know anyone at RedHat, but I'll bet the developers there would be a little insulted by your claim that they make no contribution if you carried any weight with your opinion.
By contributing to Open Source you are devaluing yourself and the programming profession.
I make money by designing systems of software and hardware to complete a task. I use opensource software to do that. My company earns money based on the services we sell that we perform using machines running opensource software. As part owner, I make money based on the services we sell that I have implemented using opensource software. If I go a step further and contribute to that opensource software, then I help improve the projects that I use. They get better and in turn help make the services I'm implementing more feature-rich and stable.
This makes me valuable. To bring this argument down to your level. I'm not devaluing me. I'm devaluing you and differentiating the programming profession from people like you. -N
The Internet is based on Open Standards not open implementations. The particular BSD implementation you speak of could go away tommorrow and it would hardly make a difference.
Actually, you're wrong, but it's already been stated why this is wrong several times and you didn't read it those times either...
A reference implementation does make it a lot easier to build additional implementations, but that is besides the point here.
That IS the point. You don't see a value to opensource. It prevents you from having to reinvent the wheel.
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I feel like a fish catching a hook, but I'll reply for a bit. First off, this is off-topic. This story is about someone using opensource software in business services and wondering how to contribute changes/improvements back to the community while keeping his company's IP separated.
Second, open source models for profit are not based on the sale of the software, so since opensource companies don't sell their software, don't assume they aren't profitable. You don't credit Red Hat and Caldera with any development, but they most certainly do contribute and make their money off of both support and the package they sell their OS in. They prepare everything for a user to have a complete OS and that requires many tweaks to everything for uniformity and integration. They also develop and maintain OS updates as patches become available so their users can update their systems.
Your discussion against why opensource software is not better than commercial is only in talking about how gcc is not up to par with commercial compilers, but you haven't proven that point. As a cross-compiler, I'll bet gcc is probably one of, if not the, best out there. I guess it won't compile as well for a P4 as an Intel designed P4 compiler, but those details are tough to notice and not so applicable. Then your argument here trails into how there aren't enough qualified contributors in the opensource world to make competitive software, while I would suggest that there is more qualification in the opensource world. Since you didn't support your argument, I won't support this to save space and at least match the convincing-ness of your argument.
You say that opensource software was not responsible for the internet's success, but open protocols were. The first step was open protocols with clear definitions. The next was software to implement them, which is still largely opensource. Apache, BIND, sendmail are always at the top of the list and I promise if you turned off every Apache, BIND, and sendmail server right now, you wouldn't bother trying to use what's left of the internet.
By the way, how does Netscape's contributions to opensource help them make a profit? I've never felt inclined to buy Netscape's enterprise servers simply because I use Mozilla.
And this document won't be recopied or redistributed by me, as I'm not as willing to make a fool of myself like you have. But then again, I did bother to write this long reply.... oh well. -N
When Linux can come up with a browser that works as well on every site I use
I can't believe you think IE is a better browsing experience than Mozilla. If you do, it's likely that you just haven't used Mozilla. Mozilla's features and standards compatibility are so much more advanced than IE that you've debunked your own post in this one statement alone.
comes up with 100% Office clone (and I do mean 100%)
Trying not to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but you're already too reliant on MS to notice anything else. This isn't a possible goal. There's no way that reverse engineering the Microsoft proprietary formats can be as quick and accurate as Microsoft designing them. By using MSOffice, you are supporting the very formats which have already locked you into Microsoft for as long as Microsoft remains proprietary (read forever).
Realistically, if MSOffice could open OpenOffice files, I would really have no need to use it again. I don't notice the features it lacks and like many of the features it has over MSOffice and I assume I'm not alone in that. My only qualm is that I have to save files in MSOffice formats and confirm that they look right in MSOffice before sending them to someone using it.
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I have TopGun SSH on my Visorphone which would work fine on a Treo at higher speeds (GPRS) if I could afford one. I have been able to remotely administer my servers out of near disasters before. What is your point?
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If you haven't already, try Quanta Plus. I was an avid HomeSite, then ColdFusion Studio user and Dreamweaver obviously shares much of the same interface development. I couldn't be happier than I am with Quanta.
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I keep thinking the same thing - I've never even used OSX and barely seen it, but I've heard so much that I'm dying to try it. I've got Linux for my primary desktops/laptops, which is all good for now, but every so often, a mainstream machine comes in handy. Right now, I have Windows machines for that purpose, which I really can't stand.
But none of my machines are top of the line and most are pieced together from the remains of other machines - unless I can put OSX on them, I won't be using it at all. I can't afford a new machine, much less a new Apple.
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1. There are many stories in the Star Wars universe. Read the books and you'll follow lots of stories unrelated to the characters you're familiar with. They'll pop up of course when they are big and political and famous, but you'll learn about all those other billions of people of which you speak.
2. The previous stories connecting characters was alluded to in the original trilogy, but never was told flat out. Now he's telling it. And because the prequels are a story of how those same 5 characters all came to be in the positions they were for Ep4, it only makes sense that the prequels concentrate on stories in the same locales.
3. Quit trolling your distaste in the movies. It's unfounded and offtopic.
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Obviously there would be numbers in the system somewhere, but they shouldn't be needed in a user interface any more than the primary key of a typical database table is needed.
You said it yourself. The primary key of a database table is the only way to uniquely identify an individual record. Lots of people have the same name or same hair color or same birthdate. No matter what personaly information you decide to identify people with, someone else will share it - except for a uniquely assigned number.
Personally, I'd love to get a recording of shows I've seen - I've recorded many myself, with bands' permission, and always wished I could get more professional quality recordings with a line off the board.
As for quality of the recording, I doubt that would be an issue. The only disadvantage I'd expect is that the discs are likely to be CD-Rs and not pressed discs... that's alright with me.
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How many years of testing does Debian do before they will put a package into Stable? And Mandrake?
While I agree that this seems like Debian is hardly appropriate for the desktop, keep in mind you don't need to run stable to use a Debian system. Unstable is more than stable enough for most desktop purposes and testing is even more solid.
The benefits Mandrake's input into Debian would be made in unstable and would benefit people like me who use unstable on the desktop. Eventually, they'd make it into stable years down the road, but the people on the desktop would still have the benefit of the then unstable release for the then modern linux software.
It's not fair to take away from Debian on the desktop just because only Unstable has the most recent software.
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hotbot was my favorite engine, but i would always get nonsense when i searched and stuff that had nothing to do with my topic
Were you fishing for a +1 Funny mod or were you actually demonstrating the way you select services to use? -N
The judges are supposed to apply the law is it stands to the case. IANAL, but if you're encryption scheme is simple zipping it up with a blank password, it's still illegal to try to bypass it without authorization to read the contents.
I'm not saying I agree with the DMCA, but there's no distinction between difficulty of cracking involved here. -N
Re-read what you're quoting. The quote says that copyright holders are getting more rights with the DMCA in cyberspace than they have in the real world. Consumers have fewer rights in cyberspace due to the DMCA. -N
I agree - my car is definitely a place I'd see a great deal of usage from a computer. Certainly, there are going to be stupid people who can't drive well enough to begin with browsing the web while driving if this becomes popular, but you can never avoid stupid people doing the stupidest things.
While browsing the web while driving may be a bad idea, the multimedia possibilities for this are great. -N
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I think you should probably learn something about the devices. I have a VisorPhone Prism right now, which albeit big is a pretty good cell phone and just as good a PDA as your deluxe.
I can most certainly use my cell phone and PDA functionality at the same time and I commonly do. If my headset isn't handy, I just turn on the speakerphone volume and use my PDA functions while conversing at the same time.
If you lose your PDA and phone and they are separate devices, which is probably nearly as likely, you'll still need to replace both. For those that have done this, a product like this makes for a very good replacement for both.
As for the thumb keyboard, I've heard nothing but good reviews of the Treo 600s and I've tried the ones on the Treo 270 and 180. I'm a 315 lb, 6'5" adult male and I have very large hands - I had no problems.
There are just too many features this has beyond your Deluxe that make your statements weak.
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My experience in all sorts of output mediums, including some PS RIPs in desktop printing showed Corel to be much more valuable than Adobe. The input and output filters by shear number and feature implementation were second to none.
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I'll second that - I'm a huge CorelDraw zealot as I've been using it for years. I know the "real" pros use Adobe, but most of those people probably don't realize how ahead of the curve Corel was for graphics technology at times.
The interfaces between the packages were so different that to an Adobe person, Corel seemed lightweight and useless and from my perspective as a Corel user, Adobe often looked the same. Either way, preference goes and I miss using Corel a lot. I got a version of Corel9 for Windows running in WINE, but would much rather get the latest versions...
Somehow, I think Vector Capital may be doing this though... I can't imagine what they expect to do at this point, but it will probably be focusing on something that won't compete with MS at least until Corel gets back on its feet. If so, CorelDRAW is the perfect candidate to bring back to the market.
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Someone else already pointed out that the open standard is not what's implemented. The BSD implementation is what is in use. That's not a standard, but an open implementation. Besides, the point of my post was still that the opensource software is responsible for the internet running. It's what is powering it, with good reason, regardless of your fantasies about commercial software. Without open source software, the internet would essentially be abandoned now and a new one would essentially have to be built in its place from scratch. Hell, even the Windows machines on it would be lost without the BSD implementation, so losing that implementation wouldn't even leave the leader in commercial software. So what exactly do you expect to be left running after the opensource BSD implementation is removed as easily as you describe?
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Since this thread has now caused such a stir, I feel less like a hooked fish and will return momentarily...
For the most part people use Apache, BIND, sendmail, et al simply because THEY ARE FREE. Indeed, if people didn't use BIND or sendmail they would be much better off considering the holes in these products.
Well, your point was that the internet would be here without those servers. My point that it would come to a halt right now if everyone shut down their servers of just those 3 programs (not even including competitive opensource projects like other http servers, mail servers, and dns servers.). But since you mention it, they are far more feature-rich than any closed-source products I know of. That's why I chose them. When you're buying a server product, you're not buying a ton - almost any company can afford the $1000+ price tag once if it's appropriate. We could have when I was building our servers, but we chose not to.
The fact is, people love Open Source because it is FREE (as in beer). Corporations love it too, they get all of those developers to work for free (as in beer) while they reap the profits. In Redhats case the executives made HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars off of the community while contributing very little back.
I to like the free part - corporations care much less I imagine. But they are paying the developers for impelementing solutions. Those developers often use opensource products. Everyone's getting paid or making money here. Those developers are the opensource developers because they are contributing. And I don't know anyone at RedHat, but I'll bet the developers there would be a little insulted by your claim that they make no contribution if you carried any weight with your opinion.
By contributing to Open Source you are devaluing yourself and the programming profession.
I make money by designing systems of software and hardware to complete a task. I use opensource software to do that. My company earns money based on the services we sell that we perform using machines running opensource software. As part owner, I make money based on the services we sell that I have implemented using opensource software. If I go a step further and contribute to that opensource software, then I help improve the projects that I use. They get better and in turn help make the services I'm implementing more feature-rich and stable.
This makes me valuable. To bring this argument down to your level. I'm not devaluing me. I'm devaluing you and differentiating the programming profession from people like you.
-N
Actually, you're wrong, but it's already been stated why this is wrong several times and you didn't read it those times either...
A reference implementation does make it a lot easier to build additional implementations, but that is besides the point here.
That IS the point. You don't see a value to opensource. It prevents you from having to reinvent the wheel. -N -N
I feel like a fish catching a hook, but I'll reply for a bit. First off, this is off-topic. This story is about someone using opensource software in business services and wondering how to contribute changes/improvements back to the community while keeping his company's IP separated.
Second, open source models for profit are not based on the sale of the software, so since opensource companies don't sell their software, don't assume they aren't profitable. You don't credit Red Hat and Caldera with any development, but they most certainly do contribute and make their money off of both support and the package they sell their OS in. They prepare everything for a user to have a complete OS and that requires many tweaks to everything for uniformity and integration. They also develop and maintain OS updates as patches become available so their users can update their systems.
Your discussion against why opensource software is not better than commercial is only in talking about how gcc is not up to par with commercial compilers, but you haven't proven that point. As a cross-compiler, I'll bet gcc is probably one of, if not the, best out there. I guess it won't compile as well for a P4 as an Intel designed P4 compiler, but those details are tough to notice and not so applicable. Then your argument here trails into how there aren't enough qualified contributors in the opensource world to make competitive software, while I would suggest that there is more qualification in the opensource world. Since you didn't support your argument, I won't support this to save space and at least match the convincing-ness of your argument.
You say that opensource software was not responsible for the internet's success, but open protocols were. The first step was open protocols with clear definitions. The next was software to implement them, which is still largely opensource. Apache, BIND, sendmail are always at the top of the list and I promise if you turned off every Apache, BIND, and sendmail server right now, you wouldn't bother trying to use what's left of the internet.
By the way, how does Netscape's contributions to opensource help them make a profit? I've never felt inclined to buy Netscape's enterprise servers simply because I use Mozilla.
And this document won't be recopied or redistributed by me, as I'm not as willing to make a fool of myself like you have. But then again, I did bother to write this long reply.... oh well.
-N
I can't believe you think IE is a better browsing experience than Mozilla. If you do, it's likely that you just haven't used Mozilla. Mozilla's features and standards compatibility are so much more advanced than IE that you've debunked your own post in this one statement alone.
comes up with 100% Office clone (and I do mean 100%)
Trying not to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but you're already too reliant on MS to notice anything else. This isn't a possible goal. There's no way that reverse engineering the Microsoft proprietary formats can be as quick and accurate as Microsoft designing them. By using MSOffice, you are supporting the very formats which have already locked you into Microsoft for as long as Microsoft remains proprietary (read forever).
Realistically, if MSOffice could open OpenOffice files, I would really have no need to use it again. I don't notice the features it lacks and like many of the features it has over MSOffice and I assume I'm not alone in that. My only qualm is that I have to save files in MSOffice formats and confirm that they look right in MSOffice before sending them to someone using it.
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hmm... I forgot what fork() does... I should compile it and see. -N
I have TopGun SSH on my Visorphone which would work fine on a Treo at higher speeds (GPRS) if I could afford one. I have been able to remotely administer my servers out of near disasters before. What is your point? -N
If you haven't already, try Quanta Plus. I was an avid HomeSite, then ColdFusion Studio user and Dreamweaver obviously shares much of the same interface development. I couldn't be happier than I am with Quanta.
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But none of my machines are top of the line and most are pieced together from the remains of other machines - unless I can put OSX on them, I won't be using it at all. I can't afford a new machine, much less a new Apple.
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2. The previous stories connecting characters was alluded to in the original trilogy, but never was told flat out. Now he's telling it. And because the prequels are a story of how those same 5 characters all came to be in the positions they were for Ep4, it only makes sense that the prequels concentrate on stories in the same locales.
3. Quit trolling your distaste in the movies. It's unfounded and offtopic.
-N
You said it yourself. The primary key of a database table is the only way to uniquely identify an individual record. Lots of people have the same name or same hair color or same birthdate. No matter what personaly information you decide to identify people with, someone else will share it - except for a uniquely assigned number.
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Aren't modules pretty much the solution here? -N
Ben Affleck was the bomb in Phantom!
Personally, I'd love to get a recording of shows I've seen - I've recorded many myself, with bands' permission, and always wished I could get more professional quality recordings with a line off the board.
As for quality of the recording, I doubt that would be an issue. The only disadvantage I'd expect is that the discs are likely to be CD-Rs and not pressed discs... that's alright with me.
-N
While I agree that this seems like Debian is hardly appropriate for the desktop, keep in mind you don't need to run stable to use a Debian system. Unstable is more than stable enough for most desktop purposes and testing is even more solid.
The benefits Mandrake's input into Debian would be made in unstable and would benefit people like me who use unstable on the desktop. Eventually, they'd make it into stable years down the road, but the people on the desktop would still have the benefit of the then unstable release for the then modern linux software.
It's not fair to take away from Debian on the desktop just because only Unstable has the most recent software.
-N
Were you fishing for a +1 Funny mod or were you actually demonstrating the way you select services to use?
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Followed by:
# apt-get moo
Steak anyone?
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+5 Funny? I was at least half serious. I think that kind of cluster could be very cool one day.
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The judges are supposed to apply the law is it stands to the case. IANAL, but if you're encryption scheme is simple zipping it up with a blank password, it's still illegal to try to bypass it without authorization to read the contents.
I'm not saying I agree with the DMCA, but there's no distinction between difficulty of cracking involved here.
-N
Re-read what you're quoting. The quote says that copyright holders are getting more rights with the DMCA in cyberspace than they have in the real world. Consumers have fewer rights in cyberspace due to the DMCA.
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I agree - my car is definitely a place I'd see a great deal of usage from a computer. Certainly, there are going to be stupid people who can't drive well enough to begin with browsing the web while driving if this becomes popular, but you can never avoid stupid people doing the stupidest things.
While browsing the web while driving may be a bad idea, the multimedia possibilities for this are great.
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Imagine a Bluetooth beowulf cluster of these watches from the combined people walking around Times Square at any given moment.
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