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The Return of Chewbacca
BrunoC writes "It's official! Peter Mayhew is going to play everyone's favorite wookie once again: Chewbacca is returning in Episode III, currently in pre-production phase. Peter says (quoted from StarWars.com) "I'm delighted to return as Chewbacca, I think his re-appearance in this film is a fitting way to tie the whole saga together, especially for Wookiee fans." Woa! Just for the records: Artoo and C-3PO will be there too! You can read the official annoucement here, at StarWars.com."
WHY can't the editors realize that there are people who don't want these spoilers, even seemingly minor ones like this?
It's extremely inconsiderate. Presumably they don't want people to stop reading their site, right?
geeks finally get some nookie!
oh wait...
Uhhhhh on behalf of the 1.5 million geeks WHO DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW THAT, thanks a bunch!
Time for a padlock on the mousebutton that hits that 'post' button, mayhap?
Octavian
"In the end, we all fall back on fiction." -- Lonely Planet
Let Chewbacca take out Jar-jar! Please? I'd pay money to see that.
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Transition and Cohesion.
Just like episodes 1 and 2, 3 is going to suck ass. Only now, we will get to see even more of the characters we grew to love get crappified by Lucas' new "vision."
And with this Lucas's conversion to the dark side will be complete. Does he really have to shit all over every character from the original trilogy by associating them with the crap he's been making?
I'd rather see chewbacca appear in a romantic comedy with sandra bullock before the shit that will be Episode III. at least then the plot would most likely make sense to anyone over the age of three.
Isn't transliteration fun?
Every other site (including StarWars.com) labeled it clearly enough that people who didn't wish to know about it, wouldn't bother reading further and see who the cameo would be by. But, here on Slashdot, it's the fricking title, and it's impossible to miss.
In other news they won't be rehiring Harrison Ford!! Because they can't make a Harrison Ford suit!! And because he would have told George Lucas to go **** himself and his Burt Reynolds haircut/scarf around neck under denim shirt!!!
Who are y oo ?
Always let the wookie win....
George Lucas must have been really high to think of Chewbacca. I mean that's where most of these famous directors get all of their good stuff...
*puff*
chewbacca
*puff*
he's a wookie
*puff*
arrr arrr
that's the sound he makes, write this down
All you filthy, bearded linux zealots really identify with Chewbacca. This has to be very exciting for you.
At this point I am so disillusioned with the new Star Wars films that I couldn't care less who'll feature in Episode III.
The last two films have been unspeakably bad and I'm extremely skeptical that the next will be any better.
People not wanting plot details, but in light of the fact that this has become a "news item" ... and not just on /. either ... do you people whining about the spoiler really think you can get all the way to the movie without finding this out?
I mean, hello...welcome to the world of computers, posters and trailers...
if finding out that chewie is gon be in the movie spoils it for you then you need a life. christ. you can know every character that will appear and if it is a good movie, it should still all be a surprise to you. dont blame the crappy star wars prequels on spoilers.
inconsiderate my ass. its a fucking movie. go live in a bubble if you really dont want to know.
The Lone Gunmen are dead!!!
Since Harrison Ford feels that reprising a young han solo would be going back to his pre-star days and would look utterly rediculous (I agree), does that mean we're going to see someone like Tyler Hoechlin as a young han solo? "Some people say that Jango Fett was a good man, other people say that there was no good in him at all..."
Or are we going to get an ALL CGI Jar Solo? "Mesa wanna play you sabbac for your hunka junka ship!"
Or maybe a Golem Solo that runs around shouting "My creditssss...."
...with "The Lone Gunmen are Dead". What an ass.
Another editor in my killfile.
FYI to remove an editor, go to your Preferences->User->Homepage, Exclude Authors (timothy in this case) and then hit save at the bottom.
I've got three in there so far.
I was excited before Episode I came out. Excited for probably the worst movie I've seen in the past 10 years (except for maybe D&D).
You remember what Scotty used to say, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
I should have known, because I was fooled a second time with Episode II.
I'm not even going to bother with Episode III. Lucas has so discraced the legacy of Star Wars I can't even watch the origonal trilogy anymore.
[offtopic rant star trek vs. star wars]
Star Trek would obviously win. All they have to do is beam the Jedi through the transporter and all the midichlorians get stuck in the Enterprise's biofilter and you've got Chief O'Brien saying "Ok, Darth, who's your daddy?"
[offtopic rant - star trek vs. star wars]
If Chewbacca is a wookie, you must acquit.
this one goes there, that one goes here!
Star Wars Episode 3 will feature Chewbacca, Han Solo, Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, the Death Star, and everything else you remember from the first Star Wars movie... because it will in fact be the first Star Wars movie. That's right, George Lucas will be slapping the name "Episode 3: Whatever" on to "Episode 4: A New Hope" and selling it as a whole new movie! The tagline? "If you loved the original Star Wars, you'll love Episode 3."
Step 1: Go to your preferences page.
Step 2: Scroll down to the "Star wars Prequels" checkbox.
Step 3: Check it.
Step 4: Done.
Then you won't be bothered with those pesky Star Wars articles that will contain filthy spoilers.
Oh, you want to know about the Star Wars Prequels, but you just don't want any spoilers?
Step 1: Stop reading slashdot.
Step 2: You can't have everything.
Step 2: Done.
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They needed to "tie the series together?"
They've got Obi-Wan, Anakin, and eventually Leia and Luke to tie the series together.
They're throwing in Chewie because:
a) Lucas ran out of ideas a long damn time ago.
b) Characters from the original trilogy sell better than characters from this one.
c) Hey. Don't complain. Could have been Ewoks...
How does everyone keep running into eachother? This galaxy of Lucas' is pretty tiny. Is Wedge going to run around in Episode III and introduce himself to everyone?
...the rest of Chewie's family? Here's hoping Maula, Itchy, and Lumpy will also be making return appearances.
I believe the only reason Mayhew plays "everyone's favorite Wookie" is because he plays the only Wookie, at least in the movies.
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I must admit i feel the same. The first ones were better in all aspects. Hell, even the effects were better. Episode 2 was probably the worst movie i ever watched in a cinema. Cant believe I flew over to NYC to see the premiere. I mean, from GERMANY!!! Stupid me!
GL: "Chewie, Jar-Jar is your fah-ther."
Chewie, in his wookiee groan: "Wooooooooooa!" (meaning Noooo!)
Moments later, Jar-Jar is wiped from the slate, as a computer animated character, by the simple method of "Controlsa, Altsa, Deletesa". Oh so priceless. Who wants the clip?!
Look at all you pathetic George Lucas fanboys. After the last two star wars movies, how could anyone give a shit about the third? If Lucas filmed himself taking a dump in a darth vader mask, you'd all flock to the theaters to see it. "Oooooh! Chewbacca is in the next star wars movie!" Wow great! Maybe Lucas can ruin yet another character from the original films! You're all so fucking pathetic.
Lucas points to casting room:
"I don't care what you smell... get in there"
It's true
I would know!!
Who are y oo ?
Shut the hell up, retard.
Well. If Chewbacca is back then where will Han Solo fit in?
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. But we'll have to start with scrap."
c) Hey. Don't complain. Could have been Ewoks...
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The Ewoks were supposed to be Wookies originally. But then some genius thought they would sell more dolls if they were all small and cute and annoying. So there you go, they just had to flip the name... ee-wok... wok-ee...
With a little bit of mental exercise you can ignore what your eyes see and imagine it's the planet of the Wookies all right.
Use the force, wook.
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Wow maybe the 3rd film will be as crap as the first 2.
If you didn't like the movies don't take this post as an invitation for you to bash it. It seems like every time someone mentions some key word like "star wars" in a NEWS article, the same old damn topics always come up. I myself hated Jar Jar, but overall 1 and 2 were good movies! Lucas's "vision" was to create a precurser to the original star wars series, and he performed the task well imho. Lets keep the talk to Wookies and not weather the movie was good.
This is not a troll, as trolls are green.
If you did not do that, then you have only yourself to blame for seeing this spoiler on Slashdot.
OK, we have a galaxy (far far away) with at least a few thousand planets. Each planet would presumably have on the order of 1-10 billion inhabitants. So what are the chances that:
1. a "remote" planet called Tatooine continually becomes vitally important to the fate of the galaxy, time and time again?
2. The same five to ten characters coincidentally reappear, time and time again? C-3PO was actually made by Anakin and just happened to be on the ship that was attacked near Tatooine and end up on Luke's farm? Now Chewbacca is going to show up, as a "coincidence?"
I suppose you could make arguments about the 'Force' making these coincidences happen. But you have to admit that's retro-explanations. Everything in Episodes 4-6 indicated that these characters were meeting for the first time, with no prior history. Now Lucas (and Star Wars fanboys) want to convince us that "no, really there's a whole previous story with these characters, which was never alluded to in the 'later' episodes."
It just goes to show what a crap storyteller Lucas is these days. How he got that way, I don't know. But Star Wars these days is about as well-written as the Daredevil movie.
I think his re-appearance in this film is a fitting way to tie the whole saga together, especially for Wookiee fans."
:-)
Umm. There's Wookie fans?
Is this a fetish thing?
And I thought this was wierd...
Blearf. Blearf, I say.
.....you insensitive clod!!!
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In seriousness, though, I'm not wild about this; I love Chewie as much as anyone, but to tie him to the storyline at this early point and then just happen to have him intersect with it again in the classic trilogy just pushes coincidence too far, IMO. Characters like Obi-Wan, Anakin / Vader, Luke, Leia, Artoo and Threepio, Yoda, Owen, Beru, etc. who have some connection to the royal houses of Naboo and / or Alderaan and / or the Skywalker family legacy make sense for inclusion in the prequels, but for characters from other circles (Han, Chewie, Lando, Jabba, Boba, etc.) who weren't already established in the originals as being connected to them to suddenly turn out to have some prior connection after all shrinks the Star Wars universe a little too much, I think (but then, that's hardly the biggest problem with the prequels...).
*sigh* Oh, well. I'll still see it, I'm sure, and I hope it's better than the first two (hey, it's possible, right?), and I similarly hope Chewie's return / "debut" is either handled in a plausible way, or is simply good enough not to object to (or better yet, both). I guess we'll see...
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P.S. Han shoots first!
one word: AWESOME!!!!!!!
who wants to celebrate this? im throwing a star wars party pronto!
Lucas' new "vision."
Vision? There's a vision? I was pretty certain that crap like ep 1, 2, and prolly 3, COULDN'T possibly be planned. I was under the impression Lucas was making this shit up as he went along. And, IMHO, even though special effects have come a long way, most of what they're not so good yet they can make crap look good. I watched Empire the other day, and couldn't help but think how timeless it was, and how much better a movie it was than ep 1 & 2 rolled together.
Spread the RC luvin'
I heard that not only will chewbaca be in this episode (an by the way from the parts i've seen, they seem to have really skimped on SFX, and have some really bad lighting in this one):
I heard that the real reason that anakin becomes darth vader is because he finds that chewbaca is giving it "raw-dog", as the kids say, to the princess, and we also find out what we knew all along: that c3po is gay and tries to make a move on r2d2. Anyways, some pretty sick stuff and zaniness ensues including some fisting and using a light saber handle in a way that would make yoda squirm.
On second thought, this might have been one of those disturbing, yet arousing star wars spoofing pornos that i like to watch from time to time. If so, sorry about the false spoiler chaps!
Hmm... this seems to me to be the second time they've used Chewbacca to "spice up" the series, so to speak. The first time was in the book Vector Prime, where Chewbacca became the first/only one of the surviving heroes from Episodes 4-6 to be killed off. Now, they're putting him in Episode III... *shrug*
I'd ask why, but I already know the answer. Money. *sigh* More and more I'm inclined to agree that Lucas SHOULD have allowed Spielberg to direct Episode III...
Just my $.02...
...you forgot to mention:
- How bad the other movies somehow failed to live up to every one of your impossible expectations
- How much you hate Jar-jar
- How George Lucas should listen to your creepy emails.
- How he should please you and the rest of the mostly conflicting opinions of every guy who went to the movies and fancies themselves a critic.
- To declare "[Will be] worst episode ever!"
- You'd make his vision of his creation of his universe so so much better.
why run from Vincenzo?
"This looks to be just another Matrix Rip off"
It must be the midiclorians!
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You thought II was worse than I? You don't get out much, do you?
...of course: how i should have used a unordered list instead of pedestrian hyphens. Ack, choking on ...your...ow..own...outrage!
why run from Vincenzo?
Jabba the Hut: Bitch of a Wookie Chewbacca.
(he actually says this at one point)
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Yes, you are.
Deal.
Horrible lightsaber accident.
Any other cool ideas on how to have chewy (or anyone) take out Jar-Jar. Just of fun of course, I love the cuddly little bastard (as long as he doesn't take up too much screen time).
why run from Vincenzo?
I dunno ... my favorite wookie is Chewbacca's father, Itchy, who appeared in the Star Wars Holiday Special, along with Chewie's wife, Molla, and his son, Lumpy. There was also an appearance by Bea Arthur, but the word is that she was not actually playing a Wookie.
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"They're throwing in Chewie because:
a) Lucas ran out of ideas a long damn time ago.
b) Characters from the original trilogy sell better than characters from this one.
c) Hey. Don't complain. Could have been Ewoks..."
Actually since he's working from before the first original forward. It's inevitable that a wookie would show up. Why not chewbacca?
What I want to see is Harrision Solo come back for Episode III and play Han Solo's father with Chewie. I think that'd be a marvelous plot twist. Maybe have his dad be a CorSec officer or something - i don't know how the novels portray him.
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"He's a bad mother..."
"Shut yo' mouth!"
"Hey man, I'm jus' talkin' 'bout Chewbacca..."
Chewbacca's triumphant return heralds the most important plot connection between the previous chapters of Star Wars and the current releases. If the theme of the storyline is man vs. society, the context of Star Wars is really "Chewbacca vs. The Universe".
From a young wookie combing his hair to impress the wookettes, Chewbacca rose to stardom by being the centerpiece of a rebel foce intent on freeing the universe. Unlike Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, however, Chewbacca never sought the glory, prefering to stand in the backrow of the medal presentation ceremony and let the humanoids accept the fame and stardome.
His absence in the prequal sequence up until now illustrates the plot being too immature for the reintroduction of his character. With this third episode, the connector between past and present, coming to bear, we are finally ready for the unabashed glory of the true Jedi...
Chewbacca. What a wookie.
This calls for celebration. Everyone please don your bandaleers and speak wookie in bed to your girlfriends (or, as possibly more fitting for the slashdot crowd, your LAN-party tablemates and/or everquest buddies). Nothing turns a woman (gamer/elf) on like wookie nookie.
and for all those claiming George Lucas bastardized the spirit of the Jedi with the recent releases, please remember he is a storyteller telling the story he wants to tell. He is not playing to the market (as much as it may seem) and he is not playing to the Star Wars Corps; he is writing the movie he wants to write.
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Whatever favorable opinion you may have had of the original series, Lucas is completely creatively bankrupt now, not an unusual development for creative types. Does anyone on the planet think Francis Ford Coppela is still as creative as he was in the 70s (Godfather I & II, The Conversation, Apocalyse Now)? Why is it surprising that Lucas has suffered the same fate? Unfortunately, he has total control over SW and thus has dragged the franchise down with him. Too bad a Peter Jackson could not be entrusted with such a project, but, as his right, Lucas is intent on taking his baby to the grave with him.
I'd rather see chewbacca appear in a romantic comedy with sandra bullock
Well, at least there'd be more chemistry than in Episode II.
I agree. It was contrived enough that he had Anakin make 3PO, and it just HAPPENED that Boba Fett, the most popular bounty hunter, was chosen to be a model for the clones. Is he even capable of creating new characters? Oh yeah, Darth Maul. He was cool. Except Lucas fleshed out his character like Kate Moss trapped in a 1-dimensional universe.
And you know, if he wants to maintain some consistency with the first two, he wouldn't use an actor at all for Chewbacca, just some fidgety CGI model.
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but Chewbacca's father.
It will look like Chewbacca, act like Chewbacca, but instead of wearing that bandolier or whatever across his chest, it will be white, and go the opposite direction.
Then, Lucas will show young Chewbacca running around and have his dad killed in front of him, but Chewie is saved by Han Solo's dad. Chewie and Han Solo will grow up together, which is why they become friends.
I would put this past Lucas the fuckwad after all of the whoring and bullshit storylines he has put the Star Wars characters through.
I don't know what the lifespan of wookies are supposed to be, but I know Peter Mayhew is almost 30 years older now and we will be playing a character who is 20 years younger. Chewbacca is an action character - his lines are pretty limited, even by Lucas standards. He's a 7ft monkeyboy (hmm, that gives me a casting idea) so I expect him to jump around (no not like Yoda) and be even more physical than he was in Episode 4. Is Mayhew going to be able to pull that off? Maybe he'll be in the fur suit just for closeups so he can do the articulation we're all know while a body double will do the broad action shots (as we saw with Christopher Lee in Episode 2).
Shock news: Luke is Darth Vader's son!
You have ruined it for me forever!
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I always thought Boba was the son of Jango, not Jenga.
... that Chewbacca will show up in practically every preview for Ep3.
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One of the things about Epic stories is in how besides the cast-away hero model (Luke in Star Wars) and connection to the inside politics and power struggles you can have perfectly normal Joe Somebody make a drastic difference in the world (galaxy). By twisting and tying of these characters into one little package of former acquantances you weaken the power of the tale. Would you be for a LOTR prequel that showed a younger Gimli playing with a baby Aragorn? How about Legolas adventuring with Bilbo's great grandfather long ago? No, because that would weaken the story and the plot.
BTW, another childish coincidence could be for Star Trek : Enterprise to have a Lunar vacation result in the meeting of an Iowa farm couple, a Russian couple and a Vulcan child that seems to have an affinity for human girls. See where this is going? It is cheesy and demeaning of the story and of those who read/watch it.
I'm not even going to bother with Episode III. Lucas has so discraced the legacy of Star Wars I can't even watch the origonal trilogy anymore. One less person to stand in line! At this rate, I won't have to wait in line for 9 hours to get tickets! Yay!
do you think he means R2?
That was classic intercourse!
Please do not every write stories as it is clear you would be better suited writing story books for 4 - 7 year old kids featuring Mr. Bunny and his hare-raising adventures with Mrs. Ferret in Happyland.
Some of us would like to have a bit more adult substance in our stories and not be demeaned through such simplistic tie ins
That's not true! That's impossible!
However, I think that the movies of the post original star-wars era that are most liable to still have people talking about them in 20 years time are the LOTR movies by Peter Jackson.
But I draw the line at Star Trek vs. Middle Earth debates ("Hah! Gandalf's an Istari! He took down a Balrog, he could take down a Borg Cube if he wanted to!") No.... I really don't wanna go there.
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I was waiting to see the prequels before seeing the orginal series... Who's chewbacca anyway?
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my preferences aren't available -immediately- when I access the page. Spoilers in headlines is fucking moronic, so fuck off and die.
... the second Borg Cube it attacked?
The first one having been vaporized....
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Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
- lack of mention of previous meetings in 4, 5, and 6
- that this story was not just about 5 characters but was about a people's struggle that centered literally around these 5 characters
- If this is before some of those characters met, got involved in saving the universe or WERE EVEN BORN then find other new unrelated characters.
Simplistic and childish, that is what the prequel movies are. Perhaps you could explain how the "previous stories connecting characters" was alluded to. I think to do so you would have to resort to dial-a-psychic tactics of purposely using generalizing, leading and vague non-commital moments in the original trilogy.That said, if you just seemed to say focus upon the early lives of the other characters like Han and Chewy with absolutely no crossing of paths literal or otherwise then I think it would be a great idea for the movie. I think it would have been a good idea to find out how R2D2 and C3PO first met but NOT INVOLVING ANYONE ELSE. In fact if you must involve others, then you should just have them operate on Corellia with someone named Antilles stationed nearby. However, to cross their paths is both demeaning to the viewer and the story as it contradicts itself.
However, remember the definition of "Fanboy" is really just that of any zealot who refuses to look clearly at the universe. If people choose to be fanboys and make excuses and find very weak "examples" of the original movies that will justify and excuse such literary bungling then go ahead.
That makes good sense and is good story material but C3PO and R2D2 meeting up with them all much less C3PO being crafted by Anakin is just stupid and insulting
Don't blame Lucas, he's just following in the grand tradition of many storytellers. For example, Shakespeare wrote a number of plays in which characters separated earlier in life are reunited by coincidence.
Episodes 1 and 2 seemed to just dump the entire galactic issues into a couple of cute little packages and thus refuse to answer those questions that many had. Thankfully we have some talented novel writers who had already done a good job in setting up the environment for the actual events taking place in the current movie. There are deep and involving stories ranging back hundreds to thousands of years that are complex and rewarding. So if you want good story, good dialoge and ADULT stories then go out and check out the wide array of existing Star Wars novels. BTW, "adult" has nothing to do with sex but with complex interaction of abstract ideas that are not portrayed in childrens movies... like Episode I.
I hear the Ferenghi, Q, and the Borg are going to make an appearance, too, completely spoiling the previous continuity.
"Has [being a kidnapped teenage girl, raped repeatedly for months] changed you?" - Katie Couric to Elizabeth Smart
wheres that cliche from?
1) Why doesn't Tatooine make sense? It is important because Anakin was born there and all of his remaining family lives there. They take Luke there because that is where his family is. This is actually one of the plot points Lucas seemed to do well with.
2) C-3PO being built by Anakin is a bit hokey, but the droids are in all the films because they are essentially owned by the Skywalkers. Its no coincidence that Leia trusted R2 with the Death Star plans considering how many times the little guy saved her mom's life.
I'm alot more skeptical about Chewy however. A young Lando may make more sense considering the battle he mentioned in ROTJ which allowed the Rebels to trust him enough to become a General.
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Remember, Lucas is trying to show the conversion of a very promising young Jedi Knight into the right hand man for the forces of evil. What could be the triggering factor that would make a character such as Anakin no longer value sentient life? If taking revenge for his mother's death wasn't enough to push him over the edge for good, what will be?
It can only be Jar-Jar. That's the death that would really make the audience think. "Wait, is killing Jar-Jar really evil? Perhaps the dark side of the force is more seductive than we imagined!" "Sure, Anakin/Vader is now going to cause the loss of billions of innocent lives and help his vicious master oppress the galaxy for decades... but isn't that a price I would have been just as willing to pay to see Jar-Jar strangled with his own tongue?"
Mangling of a language works both ways and I see no point in illogical use of the letter Q if you must also use a U after it. What is C for anyway? Yes, I think that even though he was being sarcastic there was indeed point in useless discourse by the grand master of satire "Samuel Clemens"
Obligatory Simpsons reference.
In efforts to save money, I heard that Lucas is going to resurrect some of the wookie footage from the Holiday Special and cut it into Episode III...
Personally, I'm waiting for the return of Princess Leia. *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap* *fap*
"Woa! Just for the records: Artoo and C-3PO will be there too!" Didn't someone say that the whole series is told by the droids anyways? I mean, that would explain how C-3PO is able to tell the ewoks the story at the end of Return of The Jedi..
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1. Tatooine -- Yes, it was the home world of Darth, and hence Darth's brother Owen, and hence Luke could have been dropped off to be cared for by Owen by Obi-wan, who stuck around to watch over him, and whom Leia was going to see at the start of the original movie (remember that one?)
The only disgusting thing is that Vader killed his own brother in that same movie simply because Owen didn't know where the droids were. Of course, I doubt that plot point had been in the mind of George while conceiving of the original story line.
The only truly odd coincidence is that Lips ended up going there in the first place, to a planet that happened to have a child whose genetic propensity for the Force was exceedingly rare -- rare on a galactic scale! That such a child happened to be on any planet any one person (even a well-travelled queen) would visit during their lifetime is unlikely. That he was on that planet AND their paths happened to cross is unbelievable.
2. I find it hard to believe Darth invented the Goldenrod brand of protocol droid. More likely he assembled his own Goldenrod from parts of busted other Goldenrods. Don't know what the "official" cannon says of this, but the latter makes the creation much more likely. That he might be some super-AI-programmer at age 7 is not likely.
Of course, he is a super-engineer and natural pilot, all independent of the force and before even learning about The Force.
He's kind of the Paul Atreides of the Star Wars universe. The Kwizatz Haderach, being the first true male Bene Gesserit AND mentat AND well-trained prince AND desert fighter leader AND spice-taker all rolled into one.
Paul Atreides
The Kwizats Haderach
Usul (the small moon named for a mouse or something), also a power word for a weirding module
Can never remember the 4th name
Shoot me now
3PO was on that ship because Leia was on that ship. Yes, they were owned by the captain, but he was obviously intimately embedded with the rebels. The droids were obviously more rebel-owned than captain-owned, as evidenced by them obeying Leia's commands to go take the message to Obi-wan. For all we know, they were hanging with Leia all this time as she grew up on Alderaan and were transferred by "ownership" to the captain since Leia was hidden cargo, thus when interrogated they'd say they were owned by the captain and not Leia: queen of spades in the Galactic Empire's most wanted deck.
3. Who met for the first time in the original? Leia, Obi-wan, and Darth all mutually knew or knew of each other, to greater or lesser extent. (Leia a well-known leader of the rebels.) Everyone met Luke for the first time, although in the first movie it was obvious there was some bad blood between Owen and Obi-wan. If Chewbacca never meets Darth in #3, then we won't really have a problem at all (not that there were any scenes in the original 3 that hinted they did or did not know each other.)
"Has [being a kidnapped teenage girl, raped repeatedly for months] changed you?" - Katie Couric to Elizabeth Smart
Jar Jar's head. On a silver platter. With Ewok sauce on the side.
No, really, I think George Lucas really needs to learn that he's been getting a pretty bad rap for Episode 1 and Episode 2. His storytelling skills have rusted, and he needs to realize that the magic is gone.
It was fresh when it came out, but now we're used to big aliens, flashy special effects, and bad acting. He needs to provide the people with something that actually lives to the level of innovating the originals had, instead of being all high and mighty and telling us it's an epic.
The thing is people know an epic when they see one. You don't need to tell them that it's an epic, because then there's a chance you could get screwed. Instead, imoho, he should revamp his methods, find what works/what the people want, and do it.
Another sad thing that I think the new ones have really lost was the feeling of the originals. The originals felt like they were made on a small budget and stuff, and the new ones just try to impress you with graphics and Jar Jar.
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I salute you
of course this situation can only logically mean I too had my eyes open. there is a word for that and you fit it nicely. It is amusing when someone comes along and flames someone for having an opinion when they themselves seem to think they are the Omniponent One. Great work!
damn I must be a sick bastard, but reading your statement and question has me laughing so hard it hurts. I can just hear the ripping sounds now as Chewy tears into that annoying ganja-smoking idiot.
is that we'll get another great soundtrack from John Williams. I can ignore the dialogue and still enjoy the movie, and I'll probably get just as much of the "plot", too!
While seemingly obvious, I think this is where the twist will come in. Lucas has alluded that there will be a huge surprise in the 3rd installment. Perhaps the Chancellor is actually a clone? I think it's a stretch that this guy is around as the head politico, dealing with the Jedis, and none of them notices that he's eminating the most powerful dark force of all. Then again, Lucas writes some pretty big plotholes...
... now, this is the kind of debate that makes Slashdot Slashdot... ;-)
Anybody else remember the little ditty courtesy of Mad Magazine and that evil genious William Gaines????
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Of course he's beloved; if it weren't for Chewbacca, we never would've heard Ralph say, "I bent my wookie."
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...compare Lucas's Star Wars to Shakespeare. Shakespeare?!?!?! Not that film can't interpret Shakespeare well, try comparing Kurosawa's RAN to King Lear and you see a masterpiece derivative. Ironically, Star Wars was originally based in part on the Seven Samurai, another Kurosawa great. Lucas never came close in subtlety or grace to Kurosawa's work, never mind Shakespeare. His best film, by far, is American Graffiti - which isn't saying much. These latest Star Wars films may greatly damage the funding of future SF as a film genera, we can only hope that the Matrix trilogy will earn enough profit to counterbalance the mess Lucas has created. --M
1. Add Chewbacca
2.???
3 Profit
A spoiler would be something like, oh say, that Chewbacca is bald in this episode or that he's gay or something. That would be a spoiler...
/gay/ ?! Wow! I have a friend who'll be very interested to hear that - she's had this thing about a "Han/Chewie sandwich" for years - but then she went to a terribly posh English girl's boarding school which explains a lot...
Chewie's
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
If you don't agree with Kelz, don't post.
C3PO either can't understand R2-D2, or for some reason chooses not to communicate what he says, so R2-D2 is running around saying things like "Watch out Luke! Vader is your father!" and "Hey Yoda! How's it hangin?" and Threepio doesn't bother to translate them.
Maybe Threepio is still secretly loyal to Vader and doesn't want to tip Luke off?
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Why should they spend on two sabers?
The first movie broke ground. The second movie was a good sequel. The third movie sucked so much that I feel like tossing my cookies just thinking about it. The forth movie was a waste of time. The fifth was another colossal waste of time. Who cares about this lame franchise? Give it up baby-boomers, there's nothing left to milk.
Do not meddle in the affairs of ewoks, because thou tasteth of pork when roasted and thine skull will tune up nicely as a party drum!
Weeee hah! Awoo! Yubba yubba yubba!
In the end, though, Lucas has made a mess of his own idea by indulging himself too much, while Jackson has made a mess of someone else's idea. At least Lucas tried, but I think he left it too long between the two sets of films and the ideas went stale in his head.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Now we all know where the anecdote about Wookies' poor sportsmanship originated (ripping arms out of sockets when they lose). In Ep III, Jar Jar will challenge Chewie to a chess match and, stupidly, will embarrass the Wookie. We all know how this ends (and have been looking forward to it since Ep. I).
And you thought you fetish was fucked up.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
great more drinking games for the small of mind
e.g. a shot everytime chewie says something dumb
The Force is drawing everything together!
Man does Spielberg SUCK as a script writer.
What's next? Han Solo digital actor?
I am the Barber of Seville.
"Muad'dib" was his public fremen name, meaning a sort of kangaroo mouse on Dune known as "the teacher of children" for its human-like desert survival strategies. It was also the name of a moon. (in the movie, it was "the mouse-shadow of the second moon")
"The Kwizats Haderach" wasn't so much a name as a title or description. Arguably, he didn't turn out to be it after all (he claimed he was "something unexpected"), or a true mentat.
Excised before publication was Paul's remarkable talent at knitting, which the editors thought was one skill too many for suspension of disbelief. The story suffered though, as this was the original, much more logical, reason for he and his mother to be accepted into Stilgar's tribe.
Shoot me now
Me first
In A new Hope, Obi-Wan sets up the Han meeting through Chewbacca. Their having a previous relationship lends merit to that little detail. And, slightly off-topic, but if Lucas keeps bringing back characters, why can't we see the Millenium Falcon in its heyday!? The Falcon is the coolest character in all the movies.
" Best of luck to the ILM team that has to make the CG fur look right."
Monsters Inc. and Ice Age shown it can be done.
Here's a spoiler for you: the movie will follow in the first two episodes footsteps by continuing to ruin the franchise.
I might as well read the spoilers, they'll be more entertaining than watching the movie.
Ohhhhh, what a WOOKIE!!!
Ha!! You lose and You MUST Trade Cards!
-Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog
"Star Wars Nerds"
The only way to avoid that bit of knowledge would be for you to live in a hole in remote part of a forrest for the next couple of years...
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
"He can drive the Falcon, drink in a bar, and crack jokes....but he doesn't wear pants!"
"You know why you do not see me styling wit my homies? Because I have no homies!!" -Mojo Jojo
I also hear Sir Alec Guiness won't be Obi-Wan Kenobi! Imagine that.
I'm the Devil the Windows users warned you about.
because they're doing a prequel when the original actors are 25 years older or else dead, Chewbacca was basically a guy in a Wookiee suit with a good script. Sure, the actor did a fine job, but just about anybody of similar size could handle it well enough. So as long as he hasn't gotten too fat or arthritic, then it's nice to give him a job that will probably pay more than most of the actors in the original got.
But it's the suit and the script that really have the part, and if the script is bad enough, the suit's no more helpful than Jackie Chan's Tuxedo...
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...then there really isn't much need for pants.
Unless you get a boner, I suppose. Then it might be embarrasing.
He was grown before Han was even born, you knucklehead.
Bwluuaaauhhhggg!
That was the best I could do... don't laugh.
If the prequel comes after the sequel....does, in this case, pre-production happen after post-production?
Anyone go back and watch again the original Star Wars? I have. It stinks. It isn't any better than the lame two recent movies. It's not that Lucas has gotten worse, it's that you, the audience, has gotten more sophisticated and Lucas hasn't.
You never actually read Dune, did you? Let's stick with the first two books, Dune and Dune, Messiah; better to ignore Children of Dune and after for now; I get the feeling that while according to Herbert, a few scenes in Children of Dune were written before Dune was published, much more of it was probably written after Dune, Messiah, and he started losing control of continuity after Dune, Messiah (originally Alia did not have ancestral memories, but only the memories of the Fremen Reverend Mothers; that changed in Children of Dune).
1. There was no weirding module in the novel. "The Weirding Way" was merely Stilgar's descriptive term for the kind of martial arts that Bene Gesserit taught (because Bene Gesserit are "weirding women," or "witches"). The whole "name is a killing word" thing in the book means only that the name "Muad'Dib" is chanted by the Fedaykin when they leap into battle, nothing more. The "word" Paul would kill Gaius Helen Mohiam with is merely his ability to shock her into silence, supposedly shock her enough to cause her a heart attack, the only thing he yells at Feyd-Rautha is "I will not say it," which shocks Feyd-Rautha (because Paul has been all but silent for most of the fight, and becuase he thinks Paul is about to die) into a momentary slip that is enough for Paul to kill him. And the Baron does not fly away into the storm, he is simply pricked with the Gom Jabbar and runs away in agony. You don't know for sure that the Guildsmen use melange until a contact lens falls from a navigator's eyes (navigators and steersmen are originally different, I think, one normal, one mildly non-human looking; not like the Guildsmen of the film or the late books). Ignore Lynch's oddities, even though it's clear from Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune that Herbert himself was taken with some of Lynch's ideas, they aren't relevant to the first book.
2. Paul Atreides accepts the Fremen public name, Muad'dib, meaning "Mouse," upon his acceptance as a Fremen; his tribe has a secret tribal name for him, "Usul," "the base of the pillar." "Usul" means that Stilgar expects the martial arts talents he and his mother bring with them to provide a new foundation of strength to the tribe; "Muad'dib" he picks because he's amused by one of the kangaroo mice he hears hopping in the night, not realizing that the kangaroo mouse is held in high esteem in Fremen culture as "the instructor of boys" (which, as a teacher of the martial arts, Paul will of course become).
Paul is a mentat only because he comes from a line bred for intelligence by both the Bene Gesserit and the Atreides themselves, and both of his parents think a mentat Duke would be unstoppable. The fact that he's a mentat isn't coincidental to Paul's status as the Kwisatz Haderach, it's an obvious side effect.
3. The Kwisatz Haderach, "the one who can be many places at once," is the male who can survive the Agony that makes a woman a Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother. You get the idea that only a very few Bene Gesserit women in a generation attempt the Agony, and only a certain percentage survive it. And no woman in generations had been stupid enough to try it while pregnant; it was rare enough that Jessica, a trained Bene Gesserit, didn't know the effects.
The Bene Gesserit had been manipulating breeding for 90 generations, primarily the Corrino, Atreides, and Harkonnnen lines (all of them related; the Atreides are cousins of the Corrinos on the distaff side, and Count Fenring is a relative of the Corrinos and probably of the Atreides), looking for the talent which will make the Kwisatz Haderach possible. The key is the ability to look into the future, for Reverend Mothers are only able (through Other Memory) to look into the past. While Guild Navigators are able to look into the future, they see it only dimly, where the Kwisatz Haderach sees it very sharply, sharply enough to fit history around his vision.
4. The Missionari Protectiva, an arm of the Bene Gesserit charged with traveling to dangerous planets
Little Chewbacca's First Life Day
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
What if Lucas plans to make a side story about Chewbacca that never actually interacts with the main story? It's not totally inconceivable that we might have the main story concerning Anakin and Obi-Wan unfolding while we see occasional glimpses of whatever is happening with Chewbacca at the time. Why assume that, just because he'll be in the film, that his story line will directly intersect the stories of the main characters? There is the stuff with the Hutts that needs to be set up (recall that Han Solo was already in deep doo-doo in Episode IV.) Perhaps Chewbacca's appearance in the film will be brief flashes of the beginnings of that story line.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
--I have no idea why people would consciously avoid SW info (except maybe to avoid all reference to JAR JAR!!... AAAGH) IMHO the movie probably won't be worth it.
--Hope I'm wrong people...
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
want to see a cg wookie. just to see how cg has progressed otherwise this post may turn into flamebait since i see not much reason other than friends who want to see this movie to see this movie.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
When I realized that not only was it an irredeemibly bad movie, it also diminished the originals by making them NOT MAKE SENSE. (Never mind all the dick-waving special effects)
Making Darth Vader build C3PO was beyond retarded...but the lack of recognition can be explained by the fact that C3PO is a robot and his memory can be erased, and that Vader no doubt saw a lot of such droids. Still, if you make a prequel, you should NOT need to do any rationalizing.
But chewbacca is a sentient being for whom things should remain a bit more clear. He had BETTER NOT meet obi-wan...there would be no rationalizing that.
Not that it matters, I won't watch it anyway. George lucas can suck my balls.
I can't believe you gave away that r2 and c-3po are going to be in episode 3!!!
Because they weren't in the first 2 prequels...
I'm such a fanboy. Why I bother defending Lucas I have no idea. Probably because it's ten in the morning in Berlin on a Sunday and I've nothing better to do. First, we've no idea how large Chewie's role is in Episode III. Personally, I imagine that it's hardly above a cameo, something to make us grin. Second, even if it is a large role, so what? I hear a lot of people grumbling about this being a small galaxy, how the same people keep showing up and all that. Well, frankly, I see it more as our story follows the same group of people, who naturally bump into the people they know from time to time. A previous poster questioned why Lando was a general. Why not? He's charismatic, a good pilot, and has administrative experience (Cloud City). Sure the alliance has a command structure, but they'll also take what they can get. Look at the high command: Ackbar (former civlian city administator on Calamari), Madine (Imperial defector), Rieekan (Alderaanian technician), Solo (smuggler), Drayson (customs officer), Bel Iblis (senator). Lando fits in this group. This is Lucas's story, whether we like it or not. We must judge something by the standards of the existing universe. We cannot apply our own standards to a galaxy far far away. I mean, you all sound like pedantic whiners. If you don't like it don't go. I didn't care for Ep I very much and I thought that Ep II lacked in the writing. But the effects rocked, and I'll gladly trade five bucks for two hours of being stunned by something I'll never see in real life. For that very reason I'll go see Ep III. Lucas will show me something I can't see anywhere else. End rant. Why did I bother again?
No statement is true, not even this one.
Chewbaacca: To be played by Robin Williams.
"The costume looks good on you"
"What costume?"
I don't care what you smell... get in there and pay your $8.50!
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
while you were obviously (to me at least) joking, I find no difference in your idea with the simplistic tie ins in the first two episodes.
but thats OK, since kids can be stupid and not realize that tits and ass do not make a star unless you lower your expectations a WHOOOOOOLE lot. The problem is judging by fanboy responses here and with many games and other movies, that many chronologically aged folk (I refuse to call them adults) follow the same logic. Yeah, put that honey on the screen... who cares if there is no plot and no story. Look retards, rent a porn but save movies for story telling.
Your arguments are like a childs arguments to get a toy. I find it amusing you say mine were simple while you bark and snarl like a puppy but yet I can't help but feel pity for you. If you do not understand or appreciate adult themed story lines then so be it but do not try to spew your prattle about the probability of known and established character's parents and the like meeting up previously but with no mention. There is not literary reason for such a meeting. Such things only satisfy small children as small children do not view the world with a realistic perspective on how events unfold.
I can see how perhaps Han Solo had met, scene or heard in person Grand Moff Tarkin at some point when he was an Imperial himself. Chewy and Han's history started together when Han rescued Chewy and other Wookies from slavery. They did not have family ties, they did not once go on picnics with the Skywalker family and they did not go to the Opera with Senator Palpatine.
Stop trying to color the world with your childish stupidity and grow up.
as the parents fought in the same cause decades before it is possible that a small rebellion would see the children meet up. However, these parents came from all over the galaxy and the issue with Lucas and simplistic situations is that he seems to make the entire galaxy consist of around 30 people only. Go back 100 years I bet he would have even more pathetic tie ins. Oh yes, Jabba the hutt and Chewbaca were in a nursery together. Geez, we are talking about a GALAXY here.
No, what we have here is literary name dropping.
In this movie you would have the young coach (as a small child) be rescued by advancing Germans and adopted by the star player's father. Next you would have the star player's father be in the same platoon as the fathers of 7 other players on a mission that results in the capture of a German Officer who just happens to be the father of the School's athletic director. Next we have the daring rescue of a British unit that contains the fathers of the remaining team members and one father of the person who runs the scoreboard.
Who would really want to watch that? It is childish and simplistic. It completely eliminates the true triumph of the original movie and team as in reality they met for the first time at college and learned to operate as a team. In the movie it was all predestined.
your post is consistent, but you are a hypocrit and so I am sad. I agree that many view any other opinions than there own with scorn and you have proven that with your snotty post
you are not suggesting that the sentence structure is incorrect are you? Because it "ain't" Introduce is abstract but you seem to be assigning it to people meeting people and the actions involved therein. I can introduce an idea to you and introduce you to an idea.
or have even seen it played but yet that was the first thing I thought of in the movie... odd
For those of you who don't get the joke, click here for a written explanation.
a gain/bush_fooled_again.php
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For a more bandwidth-intensive explanation go to:
http://www.brainthink.com/amusements/bush_fooled_
There's a clip on that second page that's almost a meg large and I don't want the poor bastard getting
I'd suggest you don't use Slashdot as your only news source, or you will suffer permanent brain damage.
I'm glad to see Chewie back for one more film, however I hope he doesn't encounter R2 or C3P0 (on screen, or implied off screen). I'm already wondering how George is going to explain why Ben and others don't remember the droids, nor do they remember him.
If Chewie encounters them, then that'll just be another "why'd they forget?" that needs explaining.
Oh well...
Go here for teh [sic] funny.
" Best of luck to the ILM team that has to make the CG fur look right."
Monsters Inc. and Ice Age shown it can be done.
It's much easier to create realistic-looking CG fur, water, etc when the only other point of reference is more computer graphics. When you have a big, furry CG wookie standing next to a real human it better be really well done, or else it'll just look stupid.
I'd suggest you don't use Slashdot as your only news source, or you will suffer permanent brain damage.
Some of the books that I have read frequently refer back to when Han was an Imperial Storm Trooper. When some of his "comrades" were mistreating wookies (who were used as slaves) something flipped and he ended up saving Chewie.
:)
This is also why Chewie owes Han a life debt.
There you go.
The Clone Wars, and Obi-Wan's involvement.
The "Ben Kenobi" that Luke meets is a clone.
Boba Fett was the model for the clone army.
That Luke and Leia's children were the basis for Eps. 7-9.
Really, that's all I remember. But I think it mitigates the "completely contrived" theory. I presume these things were in books, but I could be wrong.
Ok, The movies were shown in this order 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3. Now here is the BIG problem. 4, 5, 6 were writen in a row. Simple they were good to the point and it was not changed really in any way from the script. 1, 2, 3 were designed after/during around the time of the other 3 then they were put on the big screen years later. Lucas decided to "Modernize" the series. And basicly re write his mistakes and explain things. He should have left them because I have a feeling that the Original Scripts would have done fine. I liked starwars, the first 3 but because of the media and the outlook on these movies we will never really experiance the original "magic" the movie gave us, because in the age of /. and P2P File sharing we will always know the ending and there will be no more surprises.
I liked the good ol' days.
Master Of The Tessenjutsu - "He'll Cool you down and cut your arm off in one shot."
It's a time-honored tradition, and bound to work!
Creativity, what's that?
Magius_AR
25 Lines From Star Wars that can be improved if you substitute the word "Pants"
1. A tremor in the pants. The last time I felt this was in the presence of my old master.
2. You are unwise to lower your pants.
3. We've got to be able to get some reading on those pants, up or down.
4. She must have hidden the plans in her pants. Send a detachment down to retrieve them. See to it personally Commander.
5. These pants may not look like much, kid, but they've got it where it counts.
6. I find your lack of pants disturbing.
7. These pants contain the ultimate power in the Universe. I suggest we use it.
8. Han will have those pants down. We've got to give him more time!
9. General Veers, prepare your pants for a surface assault.
10. I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my pants back home.
11. TK-421. . . Why aren't you in your pants?
12. Lock the door. And hope they don't have pants.
13. Governor Tarkin. I recognized your foul pants when I was brought on board.
14. You look strong enough to pull the pants off of a Gundark.
15. Luke. . . Help me take...these pants off.
16. Great, Chewie, great. Always thinking with your pants.
17. That blast came from those pants. That thing's operational!
18. Don't worry. Chewie and I have gotten into a lot of pants more heavily guarded than this.
19. Maybe you'd like it back in your pants, your highness.
20. Your pants betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for your sister!
21. Jabba doesn't have time for smugglers who drop their pants at the first sign of an Imperial Cruiser.
22. Yeah, well short pants is better than no pants at all, Chewie.
23. Attention. This is Lando Calrissean. The Empire has taken control of my pants, I advise everyone to leave before more troops arrive.
24. I cannot teach him. The boy has no pants.
25. You came in those pants? You're braver than I thought.
How can you pluralize The Lone Gunman?
What do you mean?
Well, if there are 3 of you, you aren't exactly "lone", are you?
I have no idea what you're saying.
"Da ist ein Technölüst in mein Unterpanten!"
Or you'll be stuck in a series of trilogies with no meaning except to fund CGI server farms ...
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