I once installed it on a box I had for much the same reasoning you're stating, just figuring that the box was running Win98 and WinME was available at no cost, so why not upgrade.
So I went for it. I never got the machine running properly again until a format and reinstall of Win98. I found that certain aspects of the system changed rather drastically enough that some drivers wouldn't work, some feautres were screwed up like multiple displays, and worst of all, any ability to troubleshoot these problems was essentially removed.
It took about a day and 10 hours for me to give up, but then I went back to Win98SE. I'm sure this is only one account of bad WinME against several accounts of it being fine, but there really was no benefit to using WinME over Win98 and it wasn't exactly some obscure hardware or anything that was in my machine preventing it from working. It just didn't work. -N
MOD PARENT UP. A little common sense goes a long way. Entering all that metadata that would make keyword searches viable would certainly help, but people already have the ability to do that - it's not worth the time or effort. Cataloguing by directory and maybe filename is all I ever do and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. -N
The foremost problem I had in migration was that SCSI emulation with ide-scsi is no longer used for CD burning. I expect many people making the upgrade will run into a problem with that.
You can use the standard ATAPI ide-cdrom driver now to burn your CDs, but the userspace programs haven't caught up to this in all distros, especially the GUI ones. cdrdao just doesn't work last I checked, and while cdrecord works alright in the newer versions, many GUI frontend burners simply use cdrdao too much to be useful.
Other problems I had were that lm_sensors changed a bit and I didn't find it important enough to upgrade to newer userspace stuff, but anyone who's relying on them for anything will likely want to know that it's changed and upgrades to userspace are necessary. The only other issue, which was fixed by a quick Googling was that the module system is changed and module-init-tools is now necessary for loading and unloading kernel modules. -N
Last I checked, you can buy software, but only own a license. And you can purchase services, but only own (maybe) the results of the services. The entire point of his post is that he sees the software analogy moving to hardware where you buy the license to use it, but don't actually own it. -N
Yes, and as I said, now I have to. But it would be nice if my router just took care of it, since then I don't need any programs on the machines behind the router. I consider the DNS part of my connection and want the router to take over the connection maintenance. If I'm switching machines around behind it, adding and removing machines, etc, I'd like something to continue updating. -N
While my router will update normal DynDNS addresses, it can't update Custom DNS, so my own domain name I have to update from a machine instide my network. I'd rather the router take care of that.
Regardless, my router's a Netgear, so I'm guessing this isn't really applicable here. Although it would be nice to see similar projects for other routers, if possible. -N
My brother and I have a company. I'm the IT and he's the management, currently getting his MBA at Yale while I have recently graduated with a degree in CS. We've been in business since 1998 and have no debts as a company, but each of us has plenty.
The hard part of getting off the ground is that there's just me coding for the most part - he will help when he's got an idea and some time, but any code reaching production usage has to go through me before I put it on my servers. It's awfully tough finding programmers that will work for free like I essentially do in the investment that the company will be successful and yield a paying job. And since I don't have much help, we're limited to how fast we can grow. Working with the pretty fast-paced music industry clients means that development speed is very important, but we can barely keep up.
The best advice I can give anyone is to work on creating one product that is solid, then work on another product. Try not to spread too thin over too big a project or too many projects. Once you complete a project, only go back for bugfixes or to fork it into a new revision when you're ready for a new version and featureset.
It's not easy and if not for my fiance, an engineer with a good reliable engineer's salary, I wouldn't be able to afford working only this job, which is already taxing my credit cards too heavily and my stress levels can only take so much of the 24x7x365 on call status. -N
That's all well and good. But my post is from the perspective of the users out there clicking that link, the ones spreading the virus. Whether it constitutes a virus or not, whether it was written by a malicious hacker or Linus Torvalds, whether it attacks SCO or not... it's not the fault of Microsoft. It's the fault of those "hackers" they hear about on the news that SCO is trying to keep from stealing its IP and Microsoft is trying to keep Windows users safe from. -N
No, it makes the hacker community, which the with the marketing power of SCO and Microsoft may as well be synonomous with the OSS or FS communities, look bad. From the layman's perspective viruses aren't the fault of Windows - they are glad Microsoft is around to release patches to fix what the hackers broke.
2. The DDoS attack goes after every Linux lover's most hated target, SCO.
Yeah, it does and more than a few people are at least smiling to themselves here that SCO is finally getting punished in some way when they've been doling out the threats, extortion policies, etc for so long seemingly unchallenged. But it's still the wrong way to do it and the right way will come.
Patience is a virtue. Viruses are more likely to hurt the Linux community than Microsoft. Even in terms of monetary losses, this virus has just pushed my companies bandwidth usage over the monthly maximum - it's gonna cost me and I wouldn't touch a Windows machine with a 10 foot pole.
-N
I wish I had mod points to mod you up. I know the general consensus here is that Real is a bad company, but personally, I like being able to listen/watch streams in Linux because my other option is essentially not to listen/watch streams.
I'm glad someone's giving me an option and the fact that they're using open protocol standards also only emphasizes that some websites may now choose that format in the comfort of knowing there is a bigger installed base. -N
I've never seen a button-only controlled electronic central lock. I guess at that point, you break a window or curse yourself for buying a death missile for a car and not knowing how to properly operate it. -N
When your faulty cruise control starts driving you into a lake, try hitting the brakes. Try switching into neutral. And if none of that works, get out of the car before sinking. -N
Yeah, I've seen, I've carried, etc, etc. It's not heavy. Unless you're driving a stripped Lotus Elise specifically for the savings of every ounce, it's unnoticeable and insignificant, especially for fuel economy. -N
What do manual locks and windows have to do with anything? You can't possible tell me that something is lost with the convenience of pressing a button to lower your window or pressing a button to lock and unlock doors. -N
If you're from out of the country, then perhaps it would help to clarify that all schools are very different from one another. While Penn State is a state school and thus funded by its local state government (among other sources I'm sure), it is run by the administration of Penn State. Other schools are run by their own respective administrations.
Each administration decides on its own what's worth spending money on and what's not. Penn State decided this was a worthwhile investment for its student body and other schools have not. Personally, I would side with the other schools if I were a student at Penn State, but as I'm not, I couldn't care less. -N
Yes, it's called projecting from a sample. Click the link when you have time.
I'd argue we don't know enough to project a sample from.
As for life previously existing on Mars, sure it's possible - but no one here is talking about the mass extinction of a planet, just some species.
By the way, the same thing that killed the dinosaurs would kill you too and practically before you knew anything was wrong. That's a far more apocolyptic sort of extinction there though. And consider this in favor of my claim that life is pretty darn good at surviving. We're still here - while we weren't here when the dinosaurs went away, life did remain enough for us to evolve from it.
-N
We barely have a catalog of the various plant and animal species present on this planet, yet we can estimate that 15-37% will be extinct because they won't be able to relocate within a few decades?
While I'm all for protecting the environment and not doing things to dirty it or pollute it more than necessary, some credit has to be given to the shear will of life to continue living. It's worked for millenia, it's not gonna stop wholesale just yet unless it was going to stop without our interference. -N
It's a ground covered with rocks in a pretty random assortment of sizes, shapes, positions and you found a triangle?!? You've been studying your geometry lately, haven't you. -N
Saabs are all turbocharged. Subaru's got a few (WRX, STi) and Mitsubishi's got the Evolution. Mazdaspeed's Protege is turbocharged. And nearly every deisel on the road is turbocharged.
Considering that the Evo and STi are two of the best performing cars available in the US right now, it may be time for you to consider changing your attitude and paying attention to what's under the hood. -N
I've got a Tumi SafeCase too - the expandable, ridiculously huge when you want it to be bag. It's truly awesome, especially for my huge Inspiron 7000 and any amount of other stuf fI'm carrying any time. The SafeCase is the most protection I could ever ask for and I sure wouldn't feel comfortable without it. -N
I agree wholeheartedly (except maybe about the polite drivers thing, but better than NY anyway).
Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
But in all fairness, the Moby Duck tours in Gloucester use Vietnam era vehicles and thus are certified to, and do, go into the ocean, whereas Duck Tours can only go in the river. Still Boston's closer to these tours than NY also. We've got choices in road/water tourism.
-N
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I once installed it on a box I had for much the same reasoning you're stating, just figuring that the box was running Win98 and WinME was available at no cost, so why not upgrade.
So I went for it. I never got the machine running properly again until a format and reinstall of Win98. I found that certain aspects of the system changed rather drastically enough that some drivers wouldn't work, some feautres were screwed up like multiple displays, and worst of all, any ability to troubleshoot these problems was essentially removed.
It took about a day and 10 hours for me to give up, but then I went back to Win98SE. I'm sure this is only one account of bad WinME against several accounts of it being fine, but there really was no benefit to using WinME over Win98 and it wasn't exactly some obscure hardware or anything that was in my machine preventing it from working. It just didn't work.
-N
MOD PARENT UP. A little common sense goes a long way. Entering all that metadata that would make keyword searches viable would certainly help, but people already have the ability to do that - it's not worth the time or effort. Cataloguing by directory and maybe filename is all I ever do and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
-N
The foremost problem I had in migration was that SCSI emulation with ide-scsi is no longer used for CD burning. I expect many people making the upgrade will run into a problem with that.
You can use the standard ATAPI ide-cdrom driver now to burn your CDs, but the userspace programs haven't caught up to this in all distros, especially the GUI ones. cdrdao just doesn't work last I checked, and while cdrecord works alright in the newer versions, many GUI frontend burners simply use cdrdao too much to be useful.
Other problems I had were that lm_sensors changed a bit and I didn't find it important enough to upgrade to newer userspace stuff, but anyone who's relying on them for anything will likely want to know that it's changed and upgrades to userspace are necessary. The only other issue, which was fixed by a quick Googling was that the module system is changed and module-init-tools is now necessary for loading and unloading kernel modules.
-N
Last I checked, you can buy software, but only own a license. And you can purchase services, but only own (maybe) the results of the services. The entire point of his post is that he sees the software analogy moving to hardware where you buy the license to use it, but don't actually own it.
-N
That's a great tip - thanks. Never thought of that.
-N
Yes, and as I said, now I have to. But it would be nice if my router just took care of it, since then I don't need any programs on the machines behind the router. I consider the DNS part of my connection and want the router to take over the connection maintenance. If I'm switching machines around behind it, adding and removing machines, etc, I'd like something to continue updating.
-N
While my router will update normal DynDNS addresses, it can't update Custom DNS, so my own domain name I have to update from a machine instide my network. I'd rather the router take care of that.
Regardless, my router's a Netgear, so I'm guessing this isn't really applicable here. Although it would be nice to see similar projects for other routers, if possible.
-N
My brother and I have a company. I'm the IT and he's the management, currently getting his MBA at Yale while I have recently graduated with a degree in CS. We've been in business since 1998 and have no debts as a company, but each of us has plenty.
The hard part of getting off the ground is that there's just me coding for the most part - he will help when he's got an idea and some time, but any code reaching production usage has to go through me before I put it on my servers. It's awfully tough finding programmers that will work for free like I essentially do in the investment that the company will be successful and yield a paying job. And since I don't have much help, we're limited to how fast we can grow. Working with the pretty fast-paced music industry clients means that development speed is very important, but we can barely keep up.
The best advice I can give anyone is to work on creating one product that is solid, then work on another product. Try not to spread too thin over too big a project or too many projects. Once you complete a project, only go back for bugfixes or to fork it into a new revision when you're ready for a new version and featureset.
It's not easy and if not for my fiance, an engineer with a good reliable engineer's salary, I wouldn't be able to afford working only this job, which is already taxing my credit cards too heavily and my stress levels can only take so much of the 24x7x365 on call status.
-N
That's all well and good. But my post is from the perspective of the users out there clicking that link, the ones spreading the virus. Whether it constitutes a virus or not, whether it was written by a malicious hacker or Linus Torvalds, whether it attacks SCO or not... it's not the fault of Microsoft. It's the fault of those "hackers" they hear about on the news that SCO is trying to keep from stealing its IP and Microsoft is trying to keep Windows users safe from.
-N
Your post is proof that your correction is wrong.
-N
No, it makes the hacker community, which the with the marketing power of SCO and Microsoft may as well be synonomous with the OSS or FS communities, look bad. From the layman's perspective viruses aren't the fault of Windows - they are glad Microsoft is around to release patches to fix what the hackers broke.
2. The DDoS attack goes after every Linux lover's most hated target, SCO.
Yeah, it does and more than a few people are at least smiling to themselves here that SCO is finally getting punished in some way when they've been doling out the threats, extortion policies, etc for so long seemingly unchallenged. But it's still the wrong way to do it and the right way will come.
Patience is a virtue. Viruses are more likely to hurt the Linux community than Microsoft. Even in terms of monetary losses, this virus has just pushed my companies bandwidth usage over the monthly maximum - it's gonna cost me and I wouldn't touch a Windows machine with a 10 foot pole.
-N
That only accounts for 88 bytes.
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Hit Finish. ;-)
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I wish I had mod points to mod you up. I know the general consensus here is that Real is a bad company, but personally, I like being able to listen/watch streams in Linux because my other option is essentially not to listen/watch streams.
I'm glad someone's giving me an option and the fact that they're using open protocol standards also only emphasizes that some websites may now choose that format in the comfort of knowing there is a bigger installed base.
-N
I've never seen a button-only controlled electronic central lock. I guess at that point, you break a window or curse yourself for buying a death missile for a car and not knowing how to properly operate it.
-N
When your faulty cruise control starts driving you into a lake, try hitting the brakes. Try switching into neutral. And if none of that works, get out of the car before sinking.
-N
Yeah, I've seen, I've carried, etc, etc. It's not heavy. Unless you're driving a stripped Lotus Elise specifically for the savings of every ounce, it's unnoticeable and insignificant, especially for fuel economy.
-N
What do manual locks and windows have to do with anything? You can't possible tell me that something is lost with the convenience of pressing a button to lower your window or pressing a button to lock and unlock doors.
-N
If you're from out of the country, then perhaps it would help to clarify that all schools are very different from one another. While Penn State is a state school and thus funded by its local state government (among other sources I'm sure), it is run by the administration of Penn State. Other schools are run by their own respective administrations.
Each administration decides on its own what's worth spending money on and what's not. Penn State decided this was a worthwhile investment for its student body and other schools have not. Personally, I would side with the other schools if I were a student at Penn State, but as I'm not, I couldn't care less.
-N
I'd argue we don't know enough to project a sample from.
As for life previously existing on Mars, sure it's possible - but no one here is talking about the mass extinction of a planet, just some species.
By the way, the same thing that killed the dinosaurs would kill you too and practically before you knew anything was wrong. That's a far more apocolyptic sort of extinction there though. And consider this in favor of my claim that life is pretty darn good at surviving. We're still here - while we weren't here when the dinosaurs went away, life did remain enough for us to evolve from it.
-N
We barely have a catalog of the various plant and animal species present on this planet, yet we can estimate that 15-37% will be extinct because they won't be able to relocate within a few decades?
While I'm all for protecting the environment and not doing things to dirty it or pollute it more than necessary, some credit has to be given to the shear will of life to continue living. It's worked for millenia, it's not gonna stop wholesale just yet unless it was going to stop without our interference.
-N
It's a ground covered with rocks in a pretty random assortment of sizes, shapes, positions and you found a triangle?!? You've been studying your geometry lately, haven't you.
-N
Saabs are all turbocharged. Subaru's got a few (WRX, STi) and Mitsubishi's got the Evolution. Mazdaspeed's Protege is turbocharged. And nearly every deisel on the road is turbocharged.
Considering that the Evo and STi are two of the best performing cars available in the US right now, it may be time for you to consider changing your attitude and paying attention to what's under the hood.
-N
I've got a Tumi SafeCase too - the expandable, ridiculously huge when you want it to be bag. It's truly awesome, especially for my huge Inspiron 7000 and any amount of other stuf fI'm carrying any time. The SafeCase is the most protection I could ever ask for and I sure wouldn't feel comfortable without it.
-N
Where else can you take a tour that's half on land, half on water, SAME vehicle? Hmm?
But in all fairness, the Moby Duck tours in Gloucester use Vietnam era vehicles and thus are certified to, and do, go into the ocean, whereas Duck Tours can only go in the river. Still Boston's closer to these tours than NY also. We've got choices in road/water tourism.
-N