Sony sells those, they cost a LOT more than a PS3 though, and I don't know if they'll sell them to just any joe schmoe who wants to run LInux on one. In fact, I'm not for certain they can run YDL. They have more RAM and a second hard drive too!
You still get 6 SPE's under Linux, ever watch the PS3 boot up Linux? Look for the 2 Big penguins and the 6 little ones. And if you're clustering PS3's you're probably running headless.
Before there were consoles or handhelds, there was only PC gaming.
Wrong! Consoles predate PC's in the home...by years. And were easily more popular because they were a hella lot more affordable. Atari sold tons of 2600's before the C64 was ever released, let alone the Magnavox Odyssey.
The PS3 is a Blu-Ray and DVD player. The PS3 and PSP have web browsers. There was at one time a PSP specific porn site out there. I, for one, welcome our console using porn overlords.
I "play" Second Life and there are a hell a lot of users running low end hardware. I know someone running it on a Single core P4 with an 852/855GME today. Heck until I got a GT220 at christmas I was running it on a dual core Athlon 240 with 3GB of RAM (funny enough most SLers consider that midlevel). Ton's of soccer mom's who only use their computers for facebook or SL that have 3 year old (or even older machines)....those people do the rest of their gaming on their 360's/PS3's or Wii's.
What he probably means is that you can still buy PS2's and PS2 games...new in stores. It's a bit unusual in the console realm to see a system and games still being sold..new 10 years later. You couldn't buy NES in 1995 or SNES's in 2001. The N64 was dropped like a rock when the Gamecube came out. But they STILL keep making PS2s and PS2 games.
Should I assume you don't have a PS3? It isn't optional for PS3 games, it isn't actually an "install" per se, more of a cache, but the game won't really start till it does.
Sounds like SOCOM to me. It has a health indicator...but no medkits. You're limited in ammo and weapons. (you get one rifle one pistol and a few grenades) You can't bunny hop, rocket jump or do any of that crazy shit PC FPS players expect in their games. You move slow, you turn slow. In later games, the more you carry (say accessories for your rifle) the slower you get.
Why do you keep promulgating this incorrect fact? Any PS2/PS3 Linux user knows it's not the case, since the tax was repealed prior to Linux (for Playstation 2)'s release in May of 2002, and was most certainly not the case for the PS3 in 2006.
It annoys me to no end when Slashdotters make all sorts of statements and claims about Linux on the PS2 and PS3...and who have obviously never actually done so themselves.
Well since the tax was repealed prior to the release of Linux (for Playstation 2) in 2002 or YDL on the PS3, it's obviously not that reason. I think one of the SCEfoo folks said it was Yabasic and not Linux, on the PS2 Linux boards some years ago.
This is not the first time Khyber has promulgated this incorrect information.
Meaning, You don't have a license to modify/disassemble and/or publish the details of the software in the consumer electronic device.
In other words, you can watch/use your HDTV, but you don't have the right to take the software that's on it and redistribute it, or modify it so you get free Netflix or something similar.
Yes it is, you don't have to upgrade your PS3's firmware. You can keep OtherOS, you'll just lose PSN.
- Sony illegally removed capability you paid for and was advertised on "fat" PS3's: namely access to PSN AND Other OS.
OtherOS was never "advertised", unless you call the feature getting mention on Slashdot and other geek websites, "advertising" And no, OtherOS is NOT mentioned on the PS3 boxes (I still have my PS3's box), where that idea comes from I'll never know.
While the actual manufacture of PS3's is in China, the R&D on the thing was done almost entirely in the US by Sony and IBM. Last I heard, Cell CPU's for the PS3's were manufactured by IBM at their East Fishkill NY facility.
When you buy the PS3, you're not just buying hardware, you're buying a hardware+software combination. You may own the physical hardware but you don't own the software.
Sorry, but they didn't provide any warning before imposing the downgrade. They called it a "security patch" or some such, but they didn't say that it was going to remove the Other OS capability.
I had YDL on my PS3 and updated the fimrware. It warns you, in no certain terms, that you'll lose OtherOS and asks you to confirm the update...TWICE. Obviously you never had Linux on your PS3, or you'd have known that.
Personally, I believe that most of the Slashdotters complaining about the loss of OtherOS never had Linux installed on their PS3 and just use the issue as another reason to complain about Sony. Because if they all those complainers did, the YDL forums would have been a LOT more busy.
Sadly I've got a WRT54Gv8, which would require a micro dd-wrt build that wouldn't support IPV6. It's absurdly reliable with the stock firmware which amazingly does support QoS.
The Linksys hardware I have found to not be as reliable are the WGA's. Every once in a while they require a poweroff. I need a WET54 but they still cost too much.
On an aesthics note I don't like the curved look of the new "Cisco" home routers. I prefer the classic Linksys box look.
Which is why I want SCEA to get on the ball and realize that PSN could also be an "app store" and put some apps on it, like a simple text editor, PDF reader and telnet/SSH client with IBMgraphics support for NAO.
Slashdot Mirror
I think he means use:
C-x M-c M-butterfly in emacs.
http://xkcd.com/378/
Sony sells those, they cost a LOT more than a PS3 though, and I don't know if they'll sell them to just any joe schmoe who wants to run LInux on one. In fact, I'm not for certain they can run YDL. They have more RAM and a second hard drive too!
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/sony-announces-lower-cost-ps3-dev-tools.ars
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/090324e.html
You still get 6 SPE's under Linux, ever watch the PS3 boot up Linux? Look for the 2 Big penguins and the 6 little ones. And if you're clustering PS3's you're probably running headless.
Before there were consoles or handhelds, there was only PC gaming.
Wrong! Consoles predate PC's in the home...by years. And were easily more popular because they were a hella lot more affordable. Atari sold tons of 2600's before the C64 was ever released, let alone the Magnavox Odyssey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnavox_Odyssey
Why did you post this AC, IMHO this is +5 insightful!
To non-nerds, "broken" IS an absolute term.
The PS3 is a Blu-Ray and DVD player. The PS3 and PSP have web browsers. There was at one time a PSP specific porn site out there. I, for one, welcome our console using porn overlords.
I "play" Second Life and there are a hell a lot of users running low end hardware. I know someone running it on a Single core P4 with an 852/855GME today. Heck until I got a GT220 at christmas I was running it on a dual core Athlon 240 with 3GB of RAM (funny enough most SLers consider that midlevel). Ton's of soccer mom's who only use their computers for facebook or SL that have 3 year old (or even older machines)....those people do the rest of their gaming on their 360's/PS3's or Wii's.
What he probably means is that you can still buy PS2's and PS2 games...new in stores. It's a bit unusual in the console realm to see a system and games still being sold..new 10 years later. You couldn't buy NES in 1995 or SNES's in 2001. The N64 was dropped like a rock when the Gamecube came out. But they STILL keep making PS2s and PS2 games.
You are aware the PS3 has a web browser?
and a few things that don't impact gaming.
Like the PS2 compatibility...sure I've got a CECHE model which does have it, but the Slim's don't and that's a shame.
Should I assume you don't have a PS3? It isn't optional for PS3 games, it isn't actually an "install" per se, more of a cache, but the game won't really start till it does.
Sounds like SOCOM to me. It has a health indicator...but no medkits. You're limited in ammo and weapons. (you get one rifle one pistol and a few grenades) You can't bunny hop, rocket jump or do any of that crazy shit PC FPS players expect in their games. You move slow, you turn slow. In later games, the more you carry (say accessories for your rifle) the slower you get.
Why do you keep promulgating this incorrect fact? Any PS2/PS3 Linux user knows it's not the case, since the tax was repealed prior to Linux (for Playstation 2)'s release in May of 2002, and was most certainly not the case for the PS3 in 2006.
It annoys me to no end when Slashdotters make all sorts of statements and claims about Linux on the PS2 and PS3...and who have obviously never actually done so themselves.
Well since the tax was repealed prior to the release of Linux (for Playstation 2) in 2002 or YDL on the PS3, it's obviously not that reason. I think one of the SCEfoo folks said it was Yabasic and not Linux, on the PS2 Linux boards some years ago.
This is not the first time Khyber has promulgated this incorrect information.
Meaning, You don't have a license to modify/disassemble and/or publish the details of the software in the consumer electronic device.
In other words, you can watch/use your HDTV, but you don't have the right to take the software that's on it and redistribute it, or modify it so you get free Netflix or something similar.
THe other OS update is not "voluntary"
Yes it is, you don't have to upgrade your PS3's firmware. You can keep OtherOS, you'll just lose PSN.
- Sony illegally removed capability you paid for and was advertised on "fat" PS3's: namely access to PSN AND Other OS.
OtherOS was never "advertised", unless you call the feature getting mention on Slashdot and other geek websites, "advertising" And no, OtherOS is NOT mentioned on the PS3 boxes (I still have my PS3's box), where that idea comes from I'll never know.
Private keys are not intellectual property since they are not protected by copyright, trademark, or patent.
So you wouldn't complain if someone hacked into your computer and put your private GPG or S/MIME keys on the internet?
While the actual manufacture of PS3's is in China, the R&D on the thing was done almost entirely in the US by Sony and IBM. Last I heard, Cell CPU's for the PS3's were manufactured by IBM at their East Fishkill NY facility.
When you buy the PS3, you're not just buying hardware, you're buying a hardware+software combination. You may own the physical hardware but you don't own the software.
Sorry, but they didn't provide any warning before imposing the downgrade. They called it a "security patch" or some such, but they didn't say that it was going to remove the Other OS capability.
I had YDL on my PS3 and updated the fimrware. It warns you, in no certain terms, that you'll lose OtherOS and asks you to confirm the update...TWICE. Obviously you never had Linux on your PS3, or you'd have known that.
Personally, I believe that most of the Slashdotters complaining about the loss of OtherOS never had Linux installed on their PS3 and just use the issue as another reason to complain about Sony. Because if they all those complainers did, the YDL forums would have been a LOT more busy.
Meaning I just forget about it and go back to whining about lack of GPU accelerated flash video support.
But doesn't Flash 10.2 have it, even on LInux?
No, it isn't....even the OED says that the -ize ending is correct English.
Sadly I've got a WRT54Gv8, which would require a micro dd-wrt build that wouldn't support IPV6. It's absurdly reliable with the stock firmware which amazingly does support QoS.
The Linksys hardware I have found to not be as reliable are the WGA's. Every once in a while they require a poweroff. I need a WET54 but they still cost too much.
On an aesthics note I don't like the curved look of the new "Cisco" home routers. I prefer the classic Linksys box look.
Nethack and the various roguelikes
Which is why I want SCEA to get on the ball and realize that PSN could also be an "app store" and put some apps on it, like a simple text editor, PDF reader and telnet/SSH client with IBMgraphics support for NAO.