I own three fully functional ones, one does nothing but run Linux, one is my personal game machine, the third sits in the living room for general use, it also had Linux installed, but it's there so I don' thave to cart #2 around anytime someone wants to play HSG on the big living room TV.
So what incentive do third parties have to make more than a minimum amount of games for a Nintendo console if what the Nintendo fans do is buy the exact same first party games.
Have you ever seen the N64/GC used market? There's no diversity in it, it's like every GC owner bought the exact same games. While with the PS2, you can even find some pretty obscure games used because of the fricking huge diversity of games and players.
But I was wondering that this folding client might run under the PS3's Linux. That sony might just point users to a PS3 LInux community site in the documentation and have forums, and binaries like the folding client.
In fact I'll lay odds that the app will install and run under Linux, you'll either download the binary from some PS3 community site or if it's source be told to:./configure && make && make install
There's a couple of distributed computing clients for the PS2 Linux kit believe it or not.
I've run Linux on a PS2 and since getting a second one in 04 that's all this one does, run Linux. 24/7 except for the ocassional temporary shutdown. The only hardware problems I've ever had with a PS2 are DRE's.
Linux will be pre-installed on the hard drive in the PS3, no kit needed.
SCEA didn't discontinue the PS2 Linux kit, they sold their entire stock and just didn't make anymore even though there was demand for it. it wasn't hard to find at all, all you had to do was order it from Sony right from their website. The rare thing about the kit isn't the hardware, it's the discs. If you have those discs you can install Linux on any PS2 with a HD in it.
Garh, that's annoying, but at least it's not Linux being bastardized there. Although swapping between a 160 gig Linux homebrew drive and a 20 gig official drive for playing games would be a hell of a lot more annoying than just partitioning it.
The official drive is actually 40 gigs, though I actually complained in the early days that it might be a bit small in the long run.
For my sake I just bought a second PS2 to put the FFXI HD in.
Part of the problem is that when the kit was first released, back in May of 2002 the commercial PS2 network adapter wasn't available. And the HD comes with special rails attached to it so if fits properly and locks in and to help dissipate the heat. When a HD spins up, the PS2 fan spins up faster.....and louder.
Yeah, nice suggestion, too bad Sony ignored it. Would be even nicer if they offered the individual files -- the ISO, the kernel images, etc -- for download.
Actually you can download everything from a repository on the PS2 LInux site.....except the RTE you need to use it.
This is why I'm somewhat leery of PS3 Linux. If they do it right, a PS3 could be a viable replacement for a desktop computer. If they do it wrong (again), I may as well buy a Wii.
Considering that I've used the PS2 Linux kit as a desktop for over 4 years now, it ought to work pretty well. But, yeah I'm leery too, I want more info, launch is only a couple of months away. (Not that I can afford the $600 at launch) They had the PS2 Linux site up when was in January or February of 2002 and the kits didn't arrive till late May of that year. They ought to be getting a "community" setup, people to answer questions, make packages, etc.
I'm a Sony fan, I admit, but they're one of the most annoying companies to be a fan of. And even I think that the Wii will be the "second system" of choice even if the wii-mote turns out to be gimmicky like ROB.
I've got Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner, and it's entirely game/fun little program focused. The book comes with a CD with Python, Pygame and LIveWires on it, for those who don't already have them installed.
Key word here: Format. You seem to imply that you can share the drive between them, but I've heard just the opposite.
Right, it's possible, there's a method posted on the Playstation2 Linux community boards for doing so:
And anyway, why can't I just grab any old hard drive and put it in there? Why does it have to be a specific one?
You can, if you're only going to install Linux. Up to 160 GB if I remember correctly. You'll want to stick with 5400 or 7200 drives. Games with HD support check for the official Sony drive, but the Linux Kit RTE doesn't.
$99 is too much money for a FREE operating system
The GPL allows for the sale of Linux distros for money, you know that. And in PS2 Linux's case you're paying for the included hardware: the HD, network adapter, keyboard+mouse, and the VGA cable.
As I said, some of us tried to convince SCEfoo to sell RTE discs on their own just to people like you.
Homebrew is not going to kill certified, licensed games with official dev tools anytime soon.
Truly I agree, for the most part. For the PS2 I guess most people thought better a Linux with the RTE restrictions than no Linux at all.
When it comes to the PSP on the other hand, I'm with you 100% Yaroze for the PS1, Linux kit for the PS2, Linux for the PS3 and then...nothing for the PSP.
As a matter of fact I have used browsers on NTSC, former WebTV uers and I've got a PS2 Linux kit with video output set for NTSC. 640x448 is fine, most websites display fine at that resolution. There's more scrolling of course, no big deal.
What's that got to do with the Wii/Dreamcast? I was making the point that if you want to browse with your console, the PS2 and PS3 would be better choices than the Wii or Dreamcast.
Some people on the PS2 Linux forums suggested they make the RTE disc available separately for folks like you, but they didn't. They didn't even do that for the keyboard and mosue (it's a really nice keyboard with a built in USB port for the mouse.)
The kit's not available anymore in NTSC territory, they sold out and didn't do another run. We kept complaining about that, they could have sold more. It was $99 near the end. I, of course, pre-ordered mine the moment it was possible to do so.
It is possible to get FFXI and Linux on the same hard drive with work. I didn't do it and am glad I didn't, there wouldn't have been enough space. If you can get hold of an RTE disc and an FFXI HD you can format it and install. I did that so I'd have a spare just in case this HD fails.
I can understand your frustrations but the restrictions were put on the kit to please the "media selling" part of SCEfoo. The whole "Sony is two minded" thing with hardware selling and software/media selling parts feuding.
Maybe PS3 Linux will have fewer restrictions. We can hope.
You're right, I don't own a Gamecube. Because there's only 1 or 2 games I want to play on it and that's not enough to justify the purchase. I got burned by the N64.
I like Zelda too, but what happens when you're done playing it and the next new Zelda game won't be out for years. Wouldn't you rather have lots of good games released every month rather than wait and wait and wait.
I like the Nintendo franchises, Super Metroid is still my favorite SNES game. But as I've said they aren't this "perfect game developer" everyone makes them out to be. Super Mario 64 is not the worlds most perfect 3D platform game. IMHO the PS1 Spyro games easily have it beat in playability and quality. Dark Cloud 2 is a better playing and more enjoyable action RPG than Ocarina of Time
In fact they've been farming out their franchises, the old Nintendo would never have done that, they'd have done them in house because they'd never trust anyone with their valuable characters.
I'm telling you, when it comes to quality, Nintendo isn't ahead of the pack anymore, loved characters or not.
Nintendo has always been sort the company to say "you play games the way we want you to play them, no reconfiguring the controls. We'll just forget to put in a how much you have to swing the wii-mote adjustment in the games"
They've also been the company to release a "controller" that may appear "innovative" in demos, promos and commercials but in the end doesn't prove all that useful or usable in practice: Superscope, ROB, the Hey You Pikachu microphone, the NES Max
The wii-mote might prove more useful in the multimedia aspects of the Wii than the actual games.
People have been saying since the wiimote was annnounce that "it would be awesome to swing the sword in Zelda with it" that's my point. It may only take small movements but people are going to swing it around. Some are going to want to swing it around.
And as for the 20 year old games, remember the Virtual Console that everyone says is so awesome when at the same time they say, "why would I want to play PS1 games on the PS3"
You can't get a mario world, zelda, mario kart, etc... on Xbox or Sony. "little kiddish" characters, sure, but some of us aren't interested in spending hours pretending we're killing other people. Some of us have kids of our own so games that we can play in front of and with our small children are a huge plus.
How many good platform games came out for the gamecube? Lets see........1? How many for the PS2.... I can name 9 off the top of my head without trying.
How many Zelda style games for each platform
How many good kid games for the Gamecube....how many for the PS2.
I don't know why Nintendo has such a rep for "family friendly" when Sony has them beat title wise easily.
Nintendo slacks off and rests on their laurels more than any other video game company and people love them for it.
See that's why I'm telling people that the PS3 is like a trojan horse... Linux. and USB
It lets you do anything. Web Browsers, VNC, SSH, Nethack, GIMP, dosbox, Basilisk II, Abiword. You should see people's faces when I show them what the PS2 Linux kit can do.
I remember the launch price for the NES: $249, I remember the Intellivsion costing $279. I remember the Coleco Adam, $700. and the 3DO and Laseractive. Taking inflation in account even the most expensive of the new consoles is a better deal.
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Again with the "Nintendo is family friendly" reputation. Which system has more family friendly games, PS2 or GC.....I'm waiting.........the PS2 does.
I own three fully functional ones, one does nothing but run Linux, one is my personal game machine, the third sits in the living room for general use, it also had Linux installed, but it's there so I don' thave to cart #2 around anytime someone wants to play HSG on the big living room TV.
So what incentive do third parties have to make more than a minimum amount of games for a Nintendo console if what the Nintendo fans do is buy the exact same first party games.
Have you ever seen the N64/GC used market? There's no diversity in it, it's like every GC owner bought the exact same games. While with the PS2, you can even find some pretty obscure games used because of the fricking huge diversity of games and players.
Because it isn't a "locked" kernel, and they're including GCC. Compile whatever you want, enjoy.
Ask the PS2 Linux users:
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http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/message.php?m
A month continuous 24/7 isn't a problem at all.
I've had my PS2 hooked up to broadband since May 31st of 2002.
I see someone has paid attention.
But I was wondering that this folding client might run under the PS3's Linux. That sony might just point users to a PS3 LInux community site in the documentation and have forums, and binaries like the folding client.
In fact I'll lay odds that the app will install and run under Linux, you'll either download the binary from some PS3 community site or if it's source be told to: ./configure && make && make install
There's a couple of distributed computing clients for the PS2 Linux kit believe it or not.
If the PS2 can handle 30 hour compiles (wxPython),. the PS3 will probably do just fine.
I've run Linux on a PS2 and since getting a second one in 04 that's all this one does, run Linux. 24/7 except for the ocassional temporary shutdown. The only hardware problems I've ever had with a PS2 are DRE's.
Linux will be pre-installed on the hard drive in the PS3, no kit needed.
SCEA didn't discontinue the PS2 Linux kit, they sold their entire stock and just didn't make anymore even though there was demand for it. it wasn't hard to find at all, all you had to do was order it from Sony right from their website. The rare thing about the kit isn't the hardware, it's the discs. If you have those discs you can install Linux on any PS2 with a HD in it.
It'll compile on practically anything.
That's because there's only one way to send that signal over a PC video cable. There is only one display standard (with varying resolutions)
When it comes to TV there isn't a standard, NTSC uses different color encoding than PAL or SECAM does.
The official drive is actually 40 gigs, though I actually complained in the early days that it might be a bit small in the long run.
[CronoCloud@midgar CronoCloud]$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
For my sake I just bought a second PS2 to put the FFXI HD in.
There is always Pygame.
I've got Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner, and it's entirely game/fun little program focused. The book comes with a CD with Python, Pygame and LIveWires on it, for those who don't already have them installed.
Right, it's possible, there's a method posted on the Playstation2 Linux community boards for doing so:
You can, if you're only going to install Linux. Up to 160 GB if I remember correctly. You'll want to stick with 5400 or 7200 drives. Games with HD support check for the official Sony drive, but the Linux Kit RTE doesn't.
The GPL allows for the sale of Linux distros for money, you know that. And in PS2 Linux's case you're paying for the included hardware: the HD, network adapter, keyboard+mouse, and the VGA cable.
As I said, some of us tried to convince SCEfoo to sell RTE discs on their own just to people like you.
A link from the faq:
http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php#I_thought_L
Truly I agree, for the most part. For the PS2 I guess most people thought better a Linux with the RTE restrictions than no Linux at all.
When it comes to the PSP on the other hand, I'm with you 100% Yaroze for the PS1, Linux kit for the PS2, Linux for the PS3 and then...nothing for the PSP.
As a matter of fact I have used browsers on NTSC, former WebTV uers and I've got a PS2 Linux kit with video output set for NTSC. 640x448 is fine, most websites display fine at that resolution. There's more scrolling of course, no big deal.
What's that got to do with the Wii/Dreamcast? I was making the point that if you want to browse with your console, the PS2 and PS3 would be better choices than the Wii or Dreamcast.
Some people on the PS2 Linux forums suggested they make the RTE disc available separately for folks like you, but they didn't. They didn't even do that for the keyboard and mosue (it's a really nice keyboard with a built in USB port for the mouse.)
The kit's not available anymore in NTSC territory, they sold out and didn't do another run. We kept complaining about that, they could have sold more. It was $99 near the end. I, of course, pre-ordered mine the moment it was possible to do so.
It is possible to get FFXI and Linux on the same hard drive with work. I didn't do it and am glad I didn't, there wouldn't have been enough space. If you can get hold of an RTE disc and an FFXI HD you can format it and install. I did that so I'd have a spare just in case this HD fails.
I can understand your frustrations but the restrictions were put on the kit to please the "media selling" part of SCEfoo. The whole "Sony is two minded" thing with hardware selling and software/media selling parts feuding.
Maybe PS3 Linux will have fewer restrictions. We can hope.
You're right, I don't own a Gamecube. Because there's only 1 or 2 games I want to play on it and that's not enough to justify the purchase. I got burned by the N64.
I like Zelda too, but what happens when you're done playing it and the next new Zelda game won't be out for years. Wouldn't you rather have lots of good games released every month rather than wait and wait and wait.
I like the Nintendo franchises, Super Metroid is still my favorite SNES game. But as I've said they aren't this "perfect game developer" everyone makes them out to be. Super Mario 64 is not the worlds most perfect 3D platform game. IMHO the PS1 Spyro games easily have it beat in playability and quality. Dark Cloud 2 is a better playing and more enjoyable action RPG than Ocarina of Time
In fact they've been farming out their franchises, the old Nintendo would never have done that, they'd have done them in house because they'd never trust anyone with their valuable characters.
I'm telling you, when it comes to quality, Nintendo isn't ahead of the pack anymore, loved characters or not.
Nintendo has always been sort the company to say "you play games the way we want you to play them, no reconfiguring the controls. We'll just forget to put in a how much you have to swing the wii-mote adjustment in the games"
They've also been the company to release a "controller" that may appear "innovative" in demos, promos and commercials but in the end doesn't prove all that useful or usable in practice: Superscope, ROB, the Hey You Pikachu microphone, the NES Max
The wii-mote might prove more useful in the multimedia aspects of the Wii than the actual games.
That's my point.
People have been saying since the wiimote was annnounce that "it would be awesome to swing the sword in Zelda with it" that's my point. It may only take small movements but people are going to swing it around. Some are going to want to swing it around.
And as for the 20 year old games, remember the Virtual Console that everyone says is so awesome when at the same time they say, "why would I want to play PS1 games on the PS3"
How many good platform games came out for the gamecube? Lets see........1? How many for the PS2.... I can name 9 off the top of my head without trying.
How many Zelda style games for each platform
How many good kid games for the Gamecube....how many for the PS2.
I don't know why Nintendo has such a rep for "family friendly" when Sony has them beat title wise easily.
Nintendo slacks off and rests on their laurels more than any other video game company and people love them for it.
See that's why I'm telling people that the PS3 is like a trojan horse... Linux. and USB
It lets you do anything. Web Browsers, VNC, SSH, Nethack, GIMP, dosbox, Basilisk II, Abiword. You should see people's faces when I show them what the PS2 Linux kit can do.
The PS3 is the same...only better.
Firefox on an HDTV is another story. Heck, even Firefox on bog-standard NTSC wouldn't be a bad idea.
Course, you'd need a PS3 to do that, or a PS2.
I remember the launch price for the NES: $249, I remember the Intellivsion costing $279. I remember the Coleco Adam, $700. and the 3DO and Laseractive. Taking inflation in account even the most expensive of the new consoles is a better deal.