I remember watching Smurfs and loving it. Loving Smurfs? Yes, because it was one of the best cartoons out there. Think about it for a while. A world where Smurfs was a good cartoon.
90...minute Smurfs. Imagine a Smurfs show where they start off early with short simple comedy bits intended for the younger kids...then as the show passes they start throwing in stuff for the older kids. The last half hour was usually a single more complex plot, usually involving Gargamel, Yohan and Peewee, and was usualy darker in tone.
To go into an existing social group, which already has its own rules and culture
The things you say are part of gamer culture...weren't in that culture in the past. In fact, they are very recent add-ons to that culture brought in by a bunch of sports gamers, MOBA-ites, and Shooter-fanboys. "Dudebro-gamers" of all ages brought that in, and they can take it right back out.
try to force your own conflicting sensibilities on it, is at best rude, and at worst colonialism.
Colonialism? It's not rude or "colonialism to say to a "Greater Internet/Gaming Fuckwad": "Hey, enough with the shitcock, buddy. We don't need that in our gaming."
The reaction to this feminist colonialism
Feminist colonialism? Do you realize just how silly that sounds. How it makes gamers sound like spoiled children who don't want to grow up? There was a time when sportsmanship was the expected norm. There were times when genteel and polite behavior was expected of everyone. Perhaps we failed sometimes, but there was the expectation that one would try.
Now people like you say that "Gamers" should be given a pass and allowed to behave like jerks, because well "Gamers" That we should lower our expectations of games and "Gamers".
Or maybe we could make specific "reservations" for the existing gamers to move to and continue their existing culture. Then we can force anyone who doesn't fit in to go there, and claim their old territory for use by us civilised folks.
It was never "Their" territory in the first place. Sure they may have thought they were the "only gamers that matter", but they never were.
You use that word with people outside the internet? If someone says to you, "that was rude" do you say "stop acting like a faggot"?
No, of course you don't, that would get you social censure. Why should video games or the internet be different.
If you are so weak you can be hurt by mere words it is YOU who should leave and find some other group to play with.
It isn't weak to expect proper sportsmanship. That's what we should aspire to, not trash talk.
Expecting everyone to conform to your ideas isn't only selfish but futile.
Do you see people outside the internet behaving like you say you want to? No, because there's expectations. In fact in physical sports, bad behavior can get you or your team penalized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...
where they would offer huge discounts on Office (or even just Works)
God I miss Works! Now @#$@$ Microsoft tries to sell expensive billion featured "business" applications to home users...when they'd be better off with Works. Sure it's not 100 percent compatible with the "business class" applications, but most home users don't need that.
And you should teach the kids vim. She shouldn't be using vi, but vim.
The only thing we argue about is which editor the kids will learn.
you should teach the kids vim. She shouldn't be using vi, but vim. What is she, a time traveller from the days of Souza on gramophones? Or maybe teach nano, maybe leafpad.
All joking aside, glad you found the geekwoman of your dreams.
But the feminazis who insist that absolutely everything has to be exactly 50/50 male/female
So would you call yourself a conservative then? A Ditto-head? considering you used the term "feminazi" doesn't that make your biases clear?
The things you mention are stereotypes created to demonize feminists. Rush knows that you don't feel in control, maybe you don't like how society has changed in some ways. So he gives you a scapegoat. It makes you feel better. "It's all those feminazi's fault, I'm not part of the problem", and he gets lots of money.
And frankly speaking, I play video games to relax and shut down. You could keep your politics out of my entertainment
It's not just YOUR entertainment...it's everyone's entertainment. And OUR entertainment is most certainly effected by the culture, including politics, as a whole. Criticizing aspects of video games, is not an attack on you.
Gamasutra is calling its readers "obtuse shitslingers," "wailing hyper-consumers" and "childish Internet-arguers," among other things.
They aren't? Could have fooled me, because that's what a bunch of the self-identified "hardcore gamers" are.
The author, who (like all SJWs) has no interest in or knowledge of video gmes
you don't know jack shit about gaming if you think that. I've been referred to as a SJW on slashdot and I know quite a bit about video games, been playing them since what.... I know I played the original Space War in an arcade in Marriots Great America. And Midway's Gun Fight and Sea Wolf when the local roller-rink had a few games. that would have been late 70's I think. I played the original Asteroids and Battlezone in a pizza parlor. My mother got a better Asteroids score than me. I plunked many a quarter into a Gauntlet machine in 85-86 when my "Elf needed food, badly".
I've owned a 2600. (Sadly a flood destroyed it) Colecovision (found one at a garage sale in the 90s, ditto on the flood), NES, SNES, PSone, PS2, PS3, PS4, ahhh, forgot about the Wii in the living room. I've played games on phones, both brew/jme and android. On tablets. Even on computers, PET 8032's, C64's, played something on a TI 99/4a at a party once, Rogue on DOS in computer lab in 1986. Even played a game on an Apple II at my High schools library just sitting around for hours after my morning finals were done. (Librarian said: "You look bored, I've got this neat little educational game for the Apple II sitting vacant that is actually fun. I think it was Secrets of Science Island) Even a few games on Windows, and a few in WINE on Linux. I've telnetted into nethack.alt.org to play Nethack.
But some dudebro like you says people like me doesn't know video games?
And you know what's even funnier...I upgraded my PC's CPU yesterday. It's AMD though.
This is in particular a contradiction. If Gamers are over then why do a portion of those PC Gamer Enthusiasts continue to buy Intel's processors for a premium which happens to pay for the advertising?
I think she's referring to self-identified gamers. The ones who would call themselves "hardcore". You know who they are, the 19 year olds playing LoL and calling themselves "athletes". There's plenty of people who play games a lot, maybe even playing more hours than those PC gamer enthusiasts, who don't identify as gamers.
I play games, but I don't exactly identify as a gamer in the way that these "gamers upset about the articles do", more as a nerd who plays games. When I look at the staff of game magazines and websites, I don't see "me", I see a bunch of dudebro johnny come late-lies who only started playing when sports games got better looking and then started playing Halo and CoD. And the games they give so much space to..are "their" games. Multiple page coverage of Halo-fanboy favorite Destiny and other games get short shrift.
Me, I've been playing games longer than many of these self identified "True Gamers" have been alive. I've played mostly console, but have done a PC game now and then.
Some people see "Gamer" as exclusionary in the same way they might see "Foodie" (Self identified "Foodies" can get just as possesive about their "hobby" as the self-identified "Gamers" do)
While I feel more kinship to the term "gamer" than Iris/Janine does, I see her point. Because to the LoL/MOBA/TF2/CS:Go fanboys, I'm not a "real gamer" because I don't play those games.
In the glory gays of gaming you could swear and taunt and not have to worry about getting arrested for homophobia, racism, anti-semitism, misogyny etc. None of it is was meant maliciously and it should be considered playful banter.
you know, it's possible to play a game competitively WITHOUT calling the opposing team "fags". By respecting them, you respect yourself. If they pull of good teamwork, don't claim they are "cheating fags" compliment them on it and figure out how you can do the same.
This " basket ball court style trash-talk" isn't necessary, it isn't even necessary THERE.
It's not that they "can't" most of the time, it's more they don't want to if what they have is working for their purposes. Why spend money when they feel they don't have to.
Waits for the inevitable Tepples post asking if the movie will have infinite spin, and asking what would be the "best practices" for someone who wanted to be an adviser on the game based aspects.
Ha! Good one. But which server do I finger? We don't have a "planfileserver" infrastructure like we do for gpg keys.
As an aside, Slashdot no longer lets users paste in their public keys into their user information, which is a shame. You can see them at: http://slashdot.org/~username/...
but again it begs the question why you're not researching at all before you drop 60 - 100 on a plastic circle, or worse yet why you don't take 5 minutes to do a thorough Googling before you drop 600 dollars on the game and console to play it - which would make more sense in this scenario if you aren't familiar with what the back of the box terms mean.
I've got no problem with box information myself, I may not read IGN daily, but in general I know what's going on. (I didn't know that Warframe was PvE centric though) I was playing devils advocate for the more casual gamers and non-gamers who buy games as gifts.
Judging by how horrendously people bitch about the creep AI, would you actually still want an offline campaign?
Maybe not a campaign, but I think a skirmish/practice mode would be nice for that sort of game.
I've actually heard of people who got games for the wrong system as gifts from non-gamer relatives.
Picture of the boxart in question
That's pretty darn explicit there. PS3/PS4 games aren't quite as explicit nowadays with requirements except with Move/uDraw games, though in the PS2 days they were.
I've got no problem with box information, but I was playing devils advocate for the more casual gamers and non-gamers who buy games as gifts.
Diablo 3 is basically single player now. Other players don't really affect your game in any way, all the good drops are stupidly account bound.
That doesn't apply to the console versions which don't have bind on account and never had the auction house. Not only that, but it has:
1. Gifts: Whenever you get a legendary or set item there's a chance a gift for one of the people in your friends list comes along with it. It looks like a little wrapped present. Send it along and when they open it they get a legendary.
2. Nemesis: If you die to a regular non-elite monster, there's a chance that it will become a Nemesis and level up. You will know it happens when you see it quickly enter a red portal when you die. Then later on that nemesis can re-enter your game (With an awesome horn announcing that he's coming) or one of your friends games with a "shadow" of yourself tagging along with him. Kill the nemesis, and he can drop nice loot, and a gift for the person he originally killed. Die to him and he levels up again, and goes to find another game to enter.
Considering Shimmering Isles for Oblivion, that very well may be true.
Cheese for everyone!
You probably noticed that when you run into Sheogorath in Skyrim, he has a plethora of cheese at the table he is sitting at. He also implies he's the hero of Oblivion, IIRC.
I don't understand why anyone would play an online game, especially on a console. The very idea of having to pay a monthly subscription to play the game is problematic to me.
Because until recently in the PlayStation eco-system, you didn't have to. And you still don't for certain games.
PS2 games never had an online fee, except for the two MMO's.
PS3/Vita games didn't and still don't require PS+ for online play, The 3 PS3 MMO's "could" have additional fees but two of them were F2P.
PS4 games DO require PS+ for online play, unless it's one of the following:
1. an MMO 2. a F2P title like Warframe. 3. A non-synchronous game, an example being a chess game where you can send turns a la play-by-mail.
You also get other benefits with PS+, "freebies", discounts, etc etc.
With XBox Live, they basically ask you to pay to have the right to use your Internet connection.
No you're paying for the right to use their servers and service
Sometimes those requirement descriptions can be vague, especially for those who might not be familiar with the Playstation or Xbox eco-systems.
For example Defiance on the PS3 says "Network Players 2 - Unlimited" and "Broadband Required" but someone unfamiliar with PS2/PS3/Ps4 back-of-the-box terminology might not realize that means it's an online only game. A game with offline AND online would say something like "Number of players 1 -2 (Online 2-4)"
I'm pretty sure the only thing left keeping SL alive these days is the furries that have sex on the network.
There never were actually that many furries in SL. What's keeping SL alive are the 25-55 year old women.
If I'm not mistaken, even they don't like SL much anymore.
I really don't know why people associate furries with SL, since they are HUGELY outnumbered by every other demographic. Personally I think the association exists because a bunch of slashdotter-nerds, entering SL to check it out, headed to the more nerdy spots in SL: scripter/builder hangouts/sandboxes...and thusly ran into SL's heavily furry scripter/builder/aspie crowd. They're not furry because of the sex, they're furry because they feel alienated from real-world social culture and the average SL social culture too. Their furry form is a "take that" to the "barbie's and kens"
I on the other hand like U2 and then had to take some steps to rip the DRM out and convert to MP3 so I can play it on my HTC ONE M8 and my Android based car stereo.
Why would you have to do that? Aren't iTunes songs DRM free AAC these days?
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I remember watching Smurfs and loving it. Loving Smurfs? Yes, because it was one of the best cartoons out there. Think about it for a while. A world where Smurfs was a good cartoon.
90...minute Smurfs. Imagine a Smurfs show where they start off early with short simple comedy bits intended for the younger kids...then as the show passes they start throwing in stuff for the older kids. The last half hour was usually a single more complex plot, usually involving Gargamel, Yohan and Peewee, and was usualy darker in tone.
Smurfs had something for everyone.
To go into an existing social group, which already has its own rules and culture
The things you say are part of gamer culture...weren't in that culture in the past. In fact, they are very recent add-ons to that culture brought in by a bunch of sports gamers, MOBA-ites, and Shooter-fanboys. "Dudebro-gamers" of all ages brought that in, and they can take it right back out.
try to force your own conflicting sensibilities on it, is at best rude, and at worst colonialism.
Colonialism? It's not rude or "colonialism to say to a "Greater Internet/Gaming Fuckwad": "Hey, enough with the shitcock, buddy. We don't need that in our gaming."
The reaction to this feminist colonialism
Feminist colonialism? Do you realize just how silly that sounds. How it makes gamers sound like spoiled children who don't want to grow up? There was a time when sportsmanship was the expected norm. There were times when genteel and polite behavior was expected of everyone. Perhaps we failed sometimes, but there was the expectation that one would try.
Now people like you say that "Gamers" should be given a pass and allowed to behave like jerks, because well "Gamers" That we should lower our expectations of games and "Gamers".
Or maybe we could make specific "reservations" for the existing gamers to move to and continue their existing culture. Then we can force anyone who doesn't fit in to go there, and claim their old territory for use by us civilised folks.
It was never "Their" territory in the first place. Sure they may have thought they were the "only gamers that matter", but they never were.
I'm pretty sure the anonymous nature of online interactions allows the worst in some people to come out.
That is true, the ol Online disinhibition effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/co...
Heck, it brings out the worst in me sometimes.
Happens to the best of us, best thing we can do is realize when we are about to do something unwise and then not do it.
Or I could not act like a faggot.
You use that word with people outside the internet? If someone says to you, "that was rude" do you say "stop acting like a faggot"?
No, of course you don't, that would get you social censure. Why should video games or the internet be different.
If you are so weak you can be hurt by mere words it is YOU who should leave and find some other group to play with.
It isn't weak to expect proper sportsmanship. That's what we should aspire to, not trash talk.
Expecting everyone to conform to your ideas isn't only selfish but futile.
Do you see people outside the internet behaving like you say you want to? No, because there's expectations. In fact in physical sports, bad behavior can get you or your team penalized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...
This is what we should aspire to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
where they would offer huge discounts on Office (or even just Works)
God I miss Works! Now @#$@$ Microsoft tries to sell expensive billion featured "business" applications to home users...when they'd be better off with Works. Sure it's not 100 percent compatible with the "business class" applications, but most home users don't need that.
No. I use emacs. She uses vi. Who cares?
Mixed marriages never work.
And you should teach the kids vim. She shouldn't be using vi, but vim.
The only thing we argue about is which editor the kids will learn.
you should teach the kids vim. She shouldn't be using vi, but vim. What is she, a time traveller from the days of Souza on gramophones? Or maybe teach nano, maybe leafpad.
All joking aside, glad you found the geekwoman of your dreams.
But the feminazis who insist that absolutely everything has to be exactly 50/50 male/female
So would you call yourself a conservative then? A Ditto-head? considering you used the term "feminazi" doesn't that make your biases clear?
The things you mention are stereotypes created to demonize feminists. Rush knows that you don't feel in control, maybe you don't like how society has changed in some ways. So he gives you a scapegoat. It makes you feel better. "It's all those feminazi's fault, I'm not part of the problem", and he gets lots of money.
And frankly speaking, I play video games to relax and shut down. You could keep your politics out of my entertainment
It's not just YOUR entertainment...it's everyone's entertainment. And OUR entertainment is most certainly effected by the culture, including politics, as a whole. Criticizing aspects of video games, is not an attack on you.
Gamasutra is calling its readers "obtuse shitslingers," "wailing hyper-consumers" and "childish Internet-arguers," among other things.
They aren't? Could have fooled me, because that's what a bunch of the self-identified "hardcore gamers" are.
The author, who (like all SJWs) has no interest in or knowledge of video gmes
you don't know jack shit about gaming if you think that. I've been referred to as a SJW on slashdot and I know quite a bit about video games, been playing them since what.... I know I played the original Space War in an arcade in Marriots Great America. And Midway's Gun Fight and Sea Wolf when the local roller-rink had a few games. that would have been late 70's I think. I played the original Asteroids and Battlezone in a pizza parlor. My mother got a better Asteroids score than me. I plunked many a quarter into a Gauntlet machine in 85-86 when my "Elf needed food, badly".
I've owned a 2600. (Sadly a flood destroyed it) Colecovision (found one at a garage sale in the 90s, ditto on the flood), NES, SNES, PSone, PS2, PS3, PS4, ahhh, forgot about the Wii in the living room. I've played games on phones, both brew/jme and android. On tablets. Even on computers, PET 8032's, C64's, played something on a TI 99/4a at a party once, Rogue on DOS in computer lab in 1986. Even played a game on an Apple II at my High schools library just sitting around for hours after my morning finals were done. (Librarian said: "You look bored, I've got this neat little educational game for the Apple II sitting vacant that is actually fun. I think it was Secrets of Science Island) Even a few games on Windows, and a few in WINE on Linux. I've telnetted into nethack.alt.org to play Nethack.
But some dudebro like you says people like me doesn't know video games?
And you know what's even funnier...I upgraded my PC's CPU yesterday. It's AMD though.
This is in particular a contradiction. If Gamers are over then why do a portion of those PC Gamer Enthusiasts continue to buy Intel's processors for a premium which happens to pay for the advertising?
I think she's referring to self-identified gamers. The ones who would call themselves "hardcore". You know who they are, the 19 year olds playing LoL and calling themselves "athletes". There's plenty of people who play games a lot, maybe even playing more hours than those PC gamer enthusiasts, who don't identify as gamers.
I play games, but I don't exactly identify as a gamer in the way that these "gamers upset about the articles do", more as a nerd who plays games. When I look at the staff of game magazines and websites, I don't see "me", I see a bunch of dudebro johnny come late-lies who only started playing when sports games got better looking and then started playing Halo and CoD. And the games they give so much space to..are "their" games. Multiple page coverage of Halo-fanboy favorite Destiny and other games get short shrift.
Me, I've been playing games longer than many of these self identified "True Gamers" have been alive. I've played mostly console, but have done a PC game now and then.
Some people see "Gamer" as exclusionary in the same way they might see "Foodie" (Self identified "Foodies" can get just as possesive about their "hobby" as the self-identified "Gamers" do)
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2014/...
While I feel more kinship to the term "gamer" than Iris/Janine does, I see her point. Because to the LoL/MOBA/TF2/CS:Go fanboys, I'm not a "real gamer" because I don't play those games.
In the glory gays of gaming you could swear and taunt and not have to worry about getting arrested for homophobia, racism, anti-semitism, misogyny etc. None of it is was meant maliciously and it should be considered playful banter.
you know, it's possible to play a game competitively WITHOUT calling the opposing team "fags". By respecting them, you respect yourself. If they pull of good teamwork, don't claim they are "cheating fags" compliment them on it and figure out how you can do the same.
This " basket ball court style trash-talk" isn't necessary, it isn't even necessary THERE.
It's not that they "can't" most of the time, it's more they don't want to if what they have is working for their purposes. Why spend money when they feel they don't have to.
The trigger is on the Killbots equipped with Lotus Notes and a machine gun...they are the finest available.
Waits for the inevitable Tepples post asking if the movie will have infinite spin, and asking what would be the "best practices" for someone who wanted to be an adviser on the game based aspects.
At one time there were more reasonable and nuanced positions on Slashdot...you must be new here.
I've stuck with Yahoo the same reasons; plus, I find the GMail interface to be not much better than the stock Yahoo interface.
Why are you reading GMail and Yahoo mail in a web browser instead of in a proper e-mail client over IMAP?
Ha! Good one. But which server do I finger? We don't have a "planfileserver" infrastructure like we do for gpg keys.
As an aside, Slashdot no longer lets users paste in their public keys into their user information, which is a shame. You can see them at: http://slashdot.org/~username/...
but again it begs the question why you're not researching at all before you drop 60 - 100 on a plastic circle, or worse yet why you don't take 5 minutes to do a thorough Googling before you drop 600 dollars on the game and console to play it - which would make more sense in this scenario if you aren't familiar with what the back of the box terms mean.
I've got no problem with box information myself, I may not read IGN daily, but in general I know what's going on. (I didn't know that Warframe was PvE centric though) I was playing devils advocate for the more casual gamers and non-gamers who buy games as gifts.
Judging by how horrendously people bitch about the creep AI, would you actually still want an offline campaign?
Maybe not a campaign, but I think a skirmish/practice mode would be nice for that sort of game.
I've actually heard of people who got games for the wrong system as gifts from non-gamer relatives.
Picture of the boxart in question
That's pretty darn explicit there. PS3/PS4 games aren't quite as explicit nowadays with requirements except with Move/uDraw games, though in the PS2 days they were.
I've got no problem with box information, but I was playing devils advocate for the more casual gamers and non-gamers who buy games as gifts.
Yes. You become the new Sheogorath, while he becomes Jyggalag again.
.
Diablo 3 is basically single player now. Other players don't really affect your game in any way, all the good drops are stupidly account bound.
That doesn't apply to the console versions which don't have bind on account and never had the auction house. Not only that, but it has:
1. Gifts: Whenever you get a legendary or set item there's a chance a gift for one of the people in your friends list comes along with it. It looks like a little wrapped present. Send it along and when they open it they get a legendary.
2. Nemesis: If you die to a regular non-elite monster, there's a chance that it will become a Nemesis and level up. You will know it happens when you see it quickly enter a red portal when you die. Then later on that nemesis can re-enter your game (With an awesome horn announcing that he's coming) or one of your friends games with a "shadow" of yourself tagging along with him. Kill the nemesis, and he can drop nice loot, and a gift for the person he originally killed. Die to him and he levels up again, and goes to find another game to enter.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/gam...
Considering Shimmering Isles for Oblivion, that very well may be true.
Cheese for everyone!
You probably noticed that when you run into Sheogorath in Skyrim, he has a plethora of cheese at the table he is sitting at. He also implies he's the hero of Oblivion, IIRC.
I don't understand why anyone would play an online game, especially on a console.
The very idea of having to pay a monthly subscription to play the game is problematic to me.
Because until recently in the PlayStation eco-system, you didn't have to. And you still don't for certain games.
PS2 games never had an online fee, except for the two MMO's.
PS3/Vita games didn't and still don't require PS+ for online play, The 3 PS3 MMO's "could" have additional fees but two of them were F2P.
PS4 games DO require PS+ for online play, unless it's one of the following:
1. an MMO
2. a F2P title like Warframe.
3. A non-synchronous game, an example being a chess game where you can send turns a la play-by-mail.
You also get other benefits with PS+, "freebies", discounts, etc etc.
With XBox Live, they basically ask you to pay to have the right to use your Internet connection.
No you're paying for the right to use their servers and service
Sometimes those requirement descriptions can be vague, especially for those who might not be familiar with the Playstation or Xbox eco-systems.
For example Defiance on the PS3 says "Network Players 2 - Unlimited" and "Broadband Required" but someone unfamiliar with PS2/PS3/Ps4 back-of-the-box terminology might not realize that means it's an online only game. A game with offline AND online would say something like "Number of players 1 -2 (Online 2-4)"
Linden Labs said the exact same thing about second life.
Zing!
Did you know there's an Oculus enabled SL beta available?
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wik...
I'm pretty sure the only thing left keeping SL alive these days is the furries that have sex on the network.
There never were actually that many furries in SL. What's keeping SL alive are the 25-55 year old women.
If I'm not mistaken, even they don't like SL much anymore.
I really don't know why people associate furries with SL, since they are HUGELY outnumbered by every other demographic. Personally I think the association exists because a bunch of slashdotter-nerds, entering SL to check it out, headed to the more nerdy spots in SL: scripter/builder hangouts/sandboxes...and thusly ran into SL's heavily furry scripter/builder/aspie crowd. They're not furry because of the sex, they're furry because they feel alienated from real-world social culture and the average SL social culture too. Their furry form is a "take that" to the "barbie's and kens"
I on the other hand like U2 and then had to take some steps to rip the DRM out and convert to MP3 so I can play it on my HTC ONE M8 and my Android based car stereo.
Why would you have to do that? Aren't iTunes songs DRM free AAC these days?