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Intel Drops Gamasutra Sponsorship Over Controversial Editorials
An anonymous reader writes Processor firm Intel has withdrawn its advertising from Gamasutra in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists. Intel was apparently so inundated with criticism for sponsoring the Gamasutra site that it had no choice but to withdraw support. An Intel spokesperson explained that "We take feedback from our customers very seriously especially as it relates to contextually relevant content and placements" and as such Gamasutra was no longer an appropriate venue for their products."
So called gater movement needs to fuck off and die.
There are people who don't like Anita Sarkeesian or Carolyn Petit or a lot of other people who make it their overbearing agenda to misrepresent reality and gamers and focus 155% on perceived feminism in video games or perceived gender-damaging things. Those people aren't a grass roots movement, or gaters, we're just people who hate bullshit and don't tolerate it. Never heard of these gaters referred to as a group before but wow, give me a break.
It's completely outside the faucet of fairness or equality in games . I'm sure there will be no end in sight for SJWs taking on Intel now. However, Women's Rights activist/advocates should be firmly expressing their disdain towards this horrible movement of Femi-nazi's. Sure, I used a bunch of buzzwords and media speak but the truth is, this Gamergate is bullshit to anyone with a healthy functioning mind.
This story just keeps getting better and better. The funniest thing is that the two women at the heart of this issue are now 'prominent'. I've even heard one is now an 'award winning, indie game designer'. Har!
I've written at length about this particular topic - it's a bane on the existence of the internet at the moment.
I am not endorsing abusing the woman by any means, but she wrote a deliberately inflammatory article which decided to single handedly lump all gamers in as trouble and make the label gamer a "dirty word" In doing so, she alienated a *LOT* of people who previously had no stake in this entire saga.
People are doing the wrong thing on both sides of the fence on this debate. As someone who has followed it for 6 weeks and dealt with excessive censorship in regards to discussing it too, I recommend simply avoiding this one, it's nasty.
Posting Anon, I really can't be bothered with potential backlash (and this post is hardly spiteful but you never know at the moment)
their advertising because the site will carry female journalists and articles about female gamers? That sounds like the type of decision that backfires on a company.
Sorry, tymothy, get your facts straight.
By feminist articles you mean "Gamers are dead" and "Guide to end gamers" articles?
I'm so sick of everyone going out of their way bending over backwards to pander to women these days. Everywhere you look now it's getting ridiculous. Victim stories are everywhere and the victims are mostly manufactured. Google is spending a jillion dollars to make sure girls know how to code (aka making bracelets by moving shit around the screen, that isn't coding). What? Why? If girls and women are interested in something there's every opportunity out there already. Women are CEO's all over the place.
If women want to be equal then they need to quit playing victim every time they get their feelings hurt. Getting special treatment BECAUSE YOU'RE A WOMAN is not equality. Enough of this social justice warrior bullshit where everything is a trigger and nobody is allowed to be offended. Good on Intel for standing up against this nonsense.
This is just a spam campaign where people email any email address they can find that's associated with articles they don't like. I got an email to my blog's contact address demanding that I fire my writer (the only writer is me) or else they'd put pressure on my sponsors to pull their advertising (I have no sponsors or advertising). I don't know if this is being sent by scripts or just dumb people, but either way it's not being sent by sentient humans.
It's about calling out scam artists like Anita Sarkeesian and her bogus kickstarter. It's about calling out scumbags like Zoe Quinn and the gaming journalists with the undisclosed conflicts of interests that reported on her games. It's about calling out those who defend those other people by ignoring facts and manufacturing controversy, trying to discredit legitimate criticism as misogyny. People just like you, Timothy. This trash piece is unsurprising, though, since Slashdot has completely sold out to the SJW lie.
>> "Processor firm Intel has withdrawn its advertising from Gamasutra in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. "
Nope. Intel removes advertising after Gamasutra lead a charge of articles saying gamers were dead. Obviously Intel are quiet taken with PC gamers and the millions they spend on CPU's each year. As Gamasutra was no longer a site targeted at that demographic they decided not to waste the money advertising to people who aren't there.
>> "The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists. "
Nope. it's a campaign is to rid Gaming of shitty, biased, corrupt journalists who conspire against their supposed audience. Like whichever anonymous cockroach submitted this article. These same journalists like to hide behind feminists and minorities to avoid criticism.
>> "Intel was apparently so inundated with criticism for sponsoring the Gamasutra site that it had no choice but to withdraw support."
Nope. Intel realised that advertising on sites that are aggressive and hateful towards the demographics being targeted by an ad campaign is counter-productive and a waste of marketing budget.
As ever anti-GG brigade are there telling lies and twisting the truth. So which PR company did this submission company come from Slashdot? We know you know. Anonymous my arse.
They only care that people are complaining, it's a PR thing. They are pulling their advertising because there is some controversy going on with the site, so it's easier to pull out then pick a side and anger people. Intel would plaster their logo on the side of churches if they knew that people wouldn't complain about it.
If you harass any company long enough, they will drop almost any advertising deal that you want. You just need to be loud and obnoxious enough. We got Glenn Beck off the air by whittling his advertisers down to a couple gold scams.
It's a little unsettling that a group that's supposed to be about "corruption" in the "games media" wants to punish "corrupt" "game journalism" websites by making them even more dependent on their sponsors. But then again, the whole thing about GamerGate was punishing a game developer for the crimes of game development while female, having sex while female, and developing non-games (non-game in that it's not catering towards the very narrow Male 18-24 demographic).
Also, "game journalism" is one of the most ridiculous terms I have ever heard. Nobody who reports on games is doing journalism - not unless they're talking non-stop about the industry's horrible working conditions, pervasive contempt for consumers, or ridiculous levels of developer lockdown. Incidentally, those outfits also tend to be the ones who are proudly feminist.
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I know that the submitter lifted this line from the article, "campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists", but I read the earlier articles on this subject. The attempt was not to "discredit prominent female games journalists." The attempt was to discredit specific female games journalists, at least one of whom acted in a manner which was calculated to stir up outrage and was possibly unethical (for those of you who want to argue about whether or not her behavior was unethical, I am not interested in spending the time looking at what she did in order to reach a conclusion).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
The problem with feminism today is that it is a movement supporting misandry and is not, in any reasonable definition of the word, a movement for equality. To wit, feminists want to -- and, indeed, have -- remove fundamental constitutional protections from men accused of rape. A man accused of rape can be expelled from college without the presumption of evidence. If the "preponderance of evidence" suggests he might have raped the girl, the college can, and indeed, has expelled innocent men. Just ask Caleb Weber, who was expelled from college for a rape accusation so flimsy, the police got a warrant for the arrest of the woman in question for filing a false rape claim.
If modern feminists want to be taken seriously, they are going to have to stop playing the victim, stop going on witch hunts, and start acting like grown ups who take responsibility for their actions.
The complaints should be focused on the absolutely terrible site design of the sites that carried these articles. I found the articles to be unreadable due to their layout and design abuse, so I don't know if I would have found the articles disagreeable for their content.
Captcha: appeases (ha!)
I can relate, in parts. To the anti-feminists, that is.
I'm sick and tired of getting feminism shoved down my throat absolutely everywhere. There's new laws, most companies have policies, our language is being policed for misunderstood "gender-equality" and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm in full support of women fighting actual oppression. If you can't vote just because you're female, I'm with you on that. If you can't drive a car because you're a female, I'm with you on that. If your boss tells you that short skirt is the appropriate dresscode, while he insists on long trousers for your male colleagues, I'm with you on that.
But the feminazis who insist that absolutely everything has to be exactly 50/50 male/female, then for all I care you can fuck off and die.
Also, let's be honest, many of the most vocal feminists quite publicly state that their goal is not 50/50, but female dominance.
Women in video games is one of the "soft topics". Yeah, it's ridiculous what armor female characters wear sometimes. But you're blind, deaf and stupid if you think it's a gender thing. Look at the male characters - they are all Schwarzeneggers, too. According to my female friends, I'm quite handsome, but most video game characters beat me hands down in both beauty and body shape. It's the same as in movies and magazines - we get idealized, unnaturally enhanced versions of humans.
Could video games improve their representation of women? Sure, they could. But the subject is by far not as simple and clear-cut as voting rights or such.
And frankly speaking, I play video games to relax and shut down. You could keep your politics out of my entertainment and work on improvements in the real world. You know, the one that matters.
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They're concerned about being sued by readers for repetitive stress injuries stemming from eye-rolling at these articles.
"in response to the site's decision to carry feminist articles. The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists"
I am not going to attribute this to ignorance, this is plain malice trying to discredit #gamergate
as the stuff people were complaining about.
Intel has pulled an advertising campaign from video gaming website Gamasutra after it reportedly received a number of complaints from self-identified gamers upset that the site was championing fair gender representation in video games.
Wow, could this have been written to represent one side any more strongly?
Another would be that video game players(intel's customer) are kind of sick of feminist extremists posting articles about about how all gamers are a bunch of basement dwelling woman haters.
This medium seems to get attacked a lot by people who don't understand it. Which I kind of understand. If you saw someone playing GTA you'd probably think they're a murderous psychopath.
First we had Jack Thompson blaming games for school shootings. And now we have third wave feminists blaming games for some kind of rape epidemic.
The summary and article are both completely misleading. It's not a political movement. There's nothing political about it, they want a higher standard of journalism. The journalists have been using minorities and women as shields from criticism, hence, #notyourshield.
It isn't about feminism (esp. waves 1 or 2 of feminism), but about journalistic integrity. Third wave feminism actively seeks to undo the equality that waves 1 (and to some extent, 2) of feminism got for women. If you look into the facts, you can see that the journalists:
1. Have close personal relationships - sexual, financial, even living environment - with the subjects they write about. They do not recuse themselves appropriately.
2. They actively collude to push their personal politics.
3. Do not actually like or care about games or gaming.
4. Effectively take bribes.
5. Ostracize those that don't toe the party lines. So they're an asset if you're with them and a huge roadblock if you're not with them. They control most gaming events and actively work to shut down those that they don't control.
6. Dissenting opinions are never expressed in their pieces and facts are scant at best. It's all based on feelings.
7. They do not verify their sources and an egregious example is found directly in TFA. Nobody bothered to verify Anita Sarkeesian's story and somehow it keeps getting parroted as a fact. There have only been a couple people that looked into this and have found that the details are muddy at best and nonexistent at worst. As a result, she's come up with the phrase "listen and believe," but I'm much more a fan of "trust, but verify."
These things would be stomped out in any real journalistic setting. They're clearly violations of ethics and have nothing to do with feminism and only tangentially about feminist pieces where no facts are presented and no opposing opinions or alternative interpretations are presented. It's a stonewall for rationality and an attempt to co-opt gaming like so many institutions before have been co-opted by this PC crowd.
The *only* reason anybody thinks it's about feminism is the fact that the journalists tried to paint the side demanding better journalism as "misogynists" and the fact that they can screenshot your average Internet troll.
A real journalist better start looking into the factual portion of this soon, otherwise these obvious biases are going corrupt media in general and you're going to have something much, much bigger on your hands. You *can not* rely on these journalists for facts so nobody should start with their articles. Since discussion about this is censored almost everywhere (guess who did that?), you're going to have a tough time looking into the facts. It's worth it, there's something seriously rotten going on.
take feminism and attentionwhoring out of my hobbies. If women want recognition in games or computer science they just have to produce remarkable code/product as any other person without brandishing their sex as sole form of identity.
Prominent Female Game Journalists
14yo brats calling everyone 'faggot' in CoD/LoL
Femi-nazi's
a skanky bitch fucking all the people reviewing her shitty game
click baiters
social justice warrior bullshit
scumbags like Zoe Quinn
misandry
OMGWTFLOLBBQ! They're all a bunch of raging butthurt idiots.
When the only source of information you accept as legitimate is a horde of morons who fly into screaming apoplexy because someone says "Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that." you need to take a long hard look at yourself, and realize you're either an idiot who needs to shut the hell up before your foot goes any further down your throat, or you maybe need to actually look at the world.
That review thing? It never actually happened - there was no review. Just a dipshit who got butthurt over being dumped, and made shit up about his ex, then conned a bunch of losers into being his personal army of revenge. Looks good on you moron.
...The articles had drawn the ire of the self-described "Gater" movement, a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists....
The GamerGate movement had nothing to do with that at all, nor has it been about feminism. It actually started when a male Kotaku journalist published an article about a female game developer that he was sleeping with without disclosure, an act that is generally intolerable in any credible journalistic circle. From there, the mainstream gaming media outlets started with "defending it" to "attacking 'gamers'". It was almost funny how coordinated it was, because on August 28th almost every one of the gaming sites posted a "Gaming is Dead" article in unison (http://gamergate.giz.moe/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1409546711940__large.jpg) when they were unable to squash it.
This article is a perfect example of the problem. It's near impossible to get a truthful story, because it turns out that most of the big names in games journalism have similar skeletons in the closet.
The bias in the summary is overwhelming. Gamergate has nothing to do with feminism in video games and everything to do with journalistic ethics and integrity, specifically the close relationship many gaming journalists appear to share with the gaming industry they cover. Yes, Gamergate started as a story about a young woman who made a game and reportedly slept with several game journalists who went on to write positive articles about her game, donate money to her Patreon, and, in one case, a man she had a close relationship with was a judge at an indie award show, and whadayaknow, her game won an award.
The story of that woman (I will not say her name for fear of censorship as on Reddit and 4chan) revealed the unethical relationships game journalists had with game developers, but that was only the beginning. Recently it came out that EA had discovered that about 40,000 of its user accounts' passwords were stolen, but they asked the game journalists who knew about it not to report it, and they happily obliged since they were friends.
The collusion and intense cover-up of the corruption inside gaming media by various media sites has been astounding, and the article and summary here and another example of that. The anti-gamergate crowd seems to hold onto the initial perceived misogyny in order to push an agenda. I will repeat one more time: this is not about feminism. It is about ethics.
Clearly the best way to combat the supposed corruption and unethical behaviour in the games media is to encourage their advertisers to demand editorial changes or risk having their funding removed.
The issue is video game reviewers and sites providing unearned positive praise for a product due to:
- Bias from personal relationships, including those of a sexual nature
- Political pressure to over-represent games which claim to be the product of a given minority group
If the 'customer' in this case, is the person expecting a fair and non-biased review of upcoming and current games, they are not served by these biases, especially when they're not revealed from the beginning. This is a basic failure of journalistic integrity.
This was further compounded by a backlash that centered around censorship of any discussion of these issues, no matter how applicable or tangentially related, which pointed these issues out, which is seen as patently unfair - not to mention draconian.
Perhaps the worst part of it all is that those trying to hide this discovery - or promote their side with no argument - chose something ethically sound to stand against, Women's Rights. This is unfortunate, because women's rights have nothing to do with this issue, and pretending it does only weakens future ACTUAL complaints that involve Women's Rights.
Read this article five times, and then promptly fire the brain-dead fuckwit who decided to pull your ads because of complaints from a mob of psychos.
"These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don’t have to be yours. There is no ‘side’ to be on, there is no ‘debate’ to be had. "
Can we just label all these personality cultists Social Media Masturbators and marginalize them all away at once? This is a metastasizing data cancer. An informational auto-immune disease. No one is served by either side of this "debate" except for those addicted to the rush of feeling righteous, like nymphomaniacal cross-fitters or religious fundamentalists.
The culture of outrage is a pain in the ass.
Patronization, and inter-conflict, and bullying among women themselves, is a bigger problem than how some mentally unhealthy individual female abnormally identifies with an imaginary character made up of code and feels sexually threatened by it. Pretty much like vid related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzdf4V7Cf_M
It's the "violence in gaming leads to real life violence" bull all over again, except replace "violence" with "subjective far fetched interpretations of sexism further supported by tinfoil hats".
I don't give a damn about gamergate, i don't give a damn about Anita, Quin or whatever or their opposing factions.
I'm just tired of sexually insecure hypocrites talking about objectification of OBJECTS THAT ARE GAME CHARACTERS MADE UP OF CODE AND DRAWING [in comparison to real humans being present in rap videos and movies], and some far fetched slippery slopes and generalizations that liking bouncing boobs in games makes me magically want to rape women or hate them.
Bah.
I don't need to be a gamer to be anti-feminism, all i have to do is compare feminism and its thought police self-righteousness organization and attitude, to that of how an organized religion behaves when it goes out of hand and persecution complex kicks in sooner or later.
Plenty of women are anti-feminism too and know the difference between egalitarianism and radical feminism.
"Representation of women" is a pure social construct that isn't absolute and varies on individual basis, compared to REAL problems like in Middle East and Africa and India where governments don't have an established protection system and rights for women compared to the 1st world.
1st world problems indeed.
Tetris didn't have any politics!
Goddamned Russki's building a WALL. Yeah, nuthin' political there.
And 'poof'! it's gone.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The issue is *really* a bunch of morons on 4chan starting a "movement" to discredit people, on the basis of some flagrant lies made up by the ex-boyfriend of a developer.
This thing is so stupid that even *Cracked* has shown that it's total bullshit from top to bottom.
-- "So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated." - Bill Gates
'Gamer' isn't just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That's why they’re so mad.
This is in particular a contradiction. If Gamers are over then why do a portion of those PC Gamer Enthusiasts continue to buy Intel's processors for a premium which happens to pay for the advertising?
I'd want to have an intellectual discussion on this, but both sides have had it and are at the point of being stupid so that's not going to happen.
For anyone interested, here is a link to the article Intel pulls ads from Gamasutra over. It is ... colourful in its descriptions of gaming to say the least.
About ten or so articles like this appeared over the course of a few days at the end of August across most of the top game news sites. Apparently, a lot of gamers were upset enough to write into site advertisers to request they stop sponsoring the offending site with ads. Intel have evidently made a dash for the door out of a building the owners have decided to set on fire.
The author of the piece, Leigh Alexander is a described feminist critique of video games and video game culture, as well as wider "geek" cultures. Her personal views on geeks and their fandoms are ... equally colourful.
I am not convinced that this person is not an ultra-conservative plant sent to discredit feminist and progressivism in geek and gaming culture. If she is, she's making a spectacular effort at doing so. This entire furore is doing real damage to the genuine participation of women in the video game and even wider tech. Intel's pulling of ads might help take the oxygen out of this fire before the industry gets burned.
May the Maths Be with you!
What the heck is Intel doing even listening to these complaints? If they had an employee do anything after hearing these moronic complaints, they wasted shareholder's money. It's ludicrous and should have been completely ignored. I can't believe there are people who give a crap about the word "gamer" and what it connotes. It's like complaining about what's said about "bowlers." Some bowlers are smart, some are complete idiots. No one should consider them an entity that needs to be considered en mass for any reason at all.
It's about corruption! The female (and male) writers in question are documented as having sexual, financial, and rental relationships with the people and companies they are covering, going against reasonable expectations of media recusement. Imagine if the Republican party leadership bought a house for, and had sex with, several leading writers at the New York Times, would that be considered appropriate? This is to say nothing of the favorable treatment given those who old the 'approved views' on certain, gaming-unrelated subjects, to the exclusion of people with actual merit.
The ongoing politicization of literally everything has only recently been noticed in the gaming culture, and they (we) are not willing to just roll over and let political science majors tell us how much we should feel bad about ourselves because, you know, white people. I don't know about others, but I like playing video games for their own sake, not so I can participate in some ongoing socio-political psycho-reparations system.
What part did he make up?
The part about the review? Point me to where he said that. I think you made that up.
Aslo, the only people making claims about a review are the SJWs. There was no review. But there was free publicity about her game.
And there was an entire opinion piece from the point of view of Zoe "5 guys" Quinn about that game smash show or whatever it was called.
And that thing actually got someone fired. And then days later she fucked the reporter who wrote it. Yeah, no conflict of interest there.
Also, that thing about the elevator, way to blow that out of proportion.
There was no orgy, there was no mention of sex at all. And even if he had said: "hey wanna fuck?"
What would be wrong with that? This is how people operate. Should he have just fucked her without asking? Or maybe casual sex should be illegal just so we don't offend anyone by asking if they are interested.
http://xkcd.com/1357/
This is a consumer revolt. A number of clickbait blogger sites published coordinated slander articles about their customers. Customers decided to fight back. Game bloggers coordinated to squash all discussion of this issue across multiple web sites including Reddit, 4chan, and their own comments section. "Game Journalist Pros" they are not. You can take these actions against your customer base but don't expect to do so without consequences.
The controversy is called Gamergate, and it is strange that the summary doesn't mention it by name. I've never heard "gater" used to describe it before. The anti-Gamergate side has a history of trying to alter the name--they've tried "Game Ethics" and hilariously "We Love Videogames")--in an attempt to take control of the narrative, so maybe that's happening again here.
This is a good summary of the events so far (though decidedly from the pro-Gamergate side):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The wikipedia article is not much help, as it has adopted the anti-Gamergate narrative that the movement is about misogyny. Many of the primary sources cited are the same ones whose journalistic integrity has been called into question.
Here's an interview with a law and ethics professor about some of the journalistic behavior involved, and whether it's OK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Probably the most disgusting (and damning) behavior of the anti-GG side is the attempt to silence discussion, from the fraudelent DMCA notice to the initial media blackout, and ongoing widespread censorship of user forums/comments.
Just saying.
The female journalists at Gamasutra in question is largely Leigh Alexander:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByoU4GCCAAA99p6.jpg:large
http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/zbZqv9w1.jpg
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Google for lots more. Clearly a paragon of equality.
Yeah, but GG'ers dox! Or something...
http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/EVIDENCE8.jpg
Yeah, some GG'ers dox. But so do some anti-GG'ers. Hence why I'm posting anonymous.
I'm not okay with this sort of behavior directed at _anyone_. The difference is that a lot
of GG'ers call this shit out when it's done to the anti-GG'ers, but we rarely if ever see
the anti-GG'ers even acknowledge that this happens to us.
It's this type of disengenous one-sided reporting that's a large part of why people are so
pissed. The vast majority GG'ers have absolutely no problem with women, transpeople, etc
in gaming. Hell, a lot of pro GG'ers are members of those groups (they're just told by mostly
upper middleclass white male game journalists that they have internalized racism, misogony,
etc).
Who said we all hate women, minorites? These game journalists? The ones who are mostly white males
that come from upper middleclass backgrounds? By posting snippets from trolls? C'mon.
I think this article sums up what GamerGate is actually about quite well:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/25/gamergate-an-issue-with-2-sides/
With all that said, I think that Intel pulled out to be neutral. I think it was the right point of
view to take on this whole debacle. In fact, I'm going to show support by building a 5960x
based system this month in spite of seeing little to no performance improvement compared
to my current 4960x box in gaming performance (make buildworld should go more quickly
in FreeBSD, however).
1) *Industry* site publishes *opinion pieces* about a conflict between the industry and decries the customers as massively entitled crybabies.
2) Said customers, almost none of whom actually read the site, get wind of it and object to being called massively entitled crybabies, proceed to act like massively entitled crybabies.
3) Intel capitulates, since siding with people who are threatening to kill or rape women for their opinions is clearly going to hurt their business less than siding with people who write editorials in trade publications.
Doubly awful given that Intel is running several programs to increase computer access, involvement, and literacy for women and girls. I imagine this may come up when one of those programs next applies for grants.
Honestly. At this point, there's pretty much NOBODY involved with the entire debacle (on ANY side) whose hands are clean.
What we need now are EVERYONE to climb off if this nasty, smelly toilet and hit FLUSH.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The mass censorship of gamers over the last month has raised questions about how well functioning that immune system really is. Gamers and the game media have never gotten along. But the degree to which gamers were thrown out of sites for talking about Gamergate was disturbing, and the "trivial" nature of gaming as a subject matter does not soften the blow.
Gamers were ejected from all major game news sites/blogs, almost all major game forums, news media outlets, subjected to shadow bans and mass deletions across the whole of Reddit, barred from editing Wikipedia, and finally -- in the the most absurd capstone to the whole farce -- all gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan, a place which still openly permits the posting of severed human body parts and rabidly anti-semetic hate speech. What few remaining forums for discussion were left ended up being DDoSed.
What happened during gamergate was what we were told could never happen to free discussion on the web: Site by site, the lights on the internet went out for video gamers.
In retrospect, it could only have happened for something as "trivial" as video games, and to a group as "subcultural" as the gaming community. But it has happened; It is still happenning. The entire concept of the Internet as a "fifth estate" or a forum for open debate has been severely discredited by recent events. If video gamers are unable to discuss or dispute that "Gamers are dead", or that games are not misogynist on the internet, then what can be discussed or disputed?
If the internet has an immune system, I don't see the patient recovering yet, and even in the event of a return to "health", the complications of this acute inflammation of censorship will be with us for a long time. This may yet end up being a watershed for the medium and our assumptions about it. Something has just gone very, very wrong.
May the Maths Be with you!
Fuck women!
I haven't followed much of this gamer bullshit because it's turned into a smear campaign of epic proportions and when I try to find facts I can't find any that are really valid for the type of reactions on either side. I can't tell you which action is being taken here if gamers have been oppressed or the feminists or whatever they are. The truth about games though is that a lot of them do sexualize women, but they also make men into big fucking sociopaths too. They are exaggerations on how we perceive ourselves or wish to. They are exaggerations on how we wish to perceive others as well. That can be a sexist view but people have to remember not all games are like that and maybe more games shouldn't be. Developers should also take into consideration the swing in the number of female gamers, but that's not something that needs to be forced down their throat either neither are they the only ones who should be targeted there's lots of demographics misrepresented. Not a lot of game with gays, trans, or what have you. There's probably more characters made out of fucking bears. The more female gamers that appear the more larger devs are going to target(at least not exclude) them to get more interest.
Seriously, trust but verify.
Can we call out the Fine Young Capitalists too?
Just another fine example of how Feminists dont want actual gender equality, and how a lot of men have been successfully brainwashed by them and the media to support it anyway.
This story is deliberately lying about what actually happened. Slashdot is disseminating SJW propaganda. Another site I can stop visiting now.
I'm no longer interested in trying to separate the signal from the noise on both sides of this incident and the follow-on flame war. So I'll just mention Hitler and Nazis so we can close off the thread already. Technically that was already done by referring to the feminists as Feminazis, but this will make the reference explicit.
But I am a white dude. So ... all them black dudes and asian chicks are white dudes... got it.
Gamasutra is calling its readers "obtuse shitslingers," "wailing hyper-consumers" and "childish Internet-arguers," among other things. The author, who (like all SJWs) has no interest in or knowledge of video gmes, is attacking the people who built the industry and currently constitute the majority of its developers and consumers, including developers and consumers who buy a lot of Intel products. And you think Intel should associate itself with that site. You are insane.
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Social Justice Warriors and corrupt journalists can go die in a fire.
"Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that."
Who actually does that though? And why do you feel the need to tell men that play video games this?
Now if you meant to say "If I don't find you attractive, don't think about speaking to me," it makes more sense. At least be honest about it.
"a grass-roots campaign to discredit prominent female games journalists" ...ironically, the GamerGate movement seems to be largely concerned with the ethical lapses of a certain subset of journalists. Looks like maybe they have a point, when the other side is that dishonest about characterizing their concerns.
One of the "leaders" of the crowd of screaming morons in the "gamer" community is a guy named thunderf00t - he likes to rant at length about how evil women are for wanting to be treated like human beings. He was also at the head of the MRA screeching rage-fest when a woman commented on her blog that someone had done exactly that, and commented that it was creepy, and seriously guys, don't do that. This simple comment was then blown out of all possible proportion by the inbred MRA idiots who started doing exactly the same shit that these "gamers" are doing with anyone who makes the mistake of being female and not thinking it's okay to treat women like shit.
The overlap between the major voices in all of these rage-fests of hating women is quite significant, and the idiots who listen to them (and only them, never actually bothering to verify the facts outside their little echo-chambers, while accusing everyone else of doing the same) just end up looking stupid.
I'm not really sure what point either side of this drama is trying to make. As far as I can figure out, the underlying issue is that certain journalists and PR people colluded with gaming publication owners to rig game development contests and promotions. The whole feminism battle cry seems to just be a smokescreen for corruption.
.,. and she was always kicking me in the ass to do more and be a man.
I don't know where you get off shitting all over single moms, they want their sons to be active, to find and emulate positive male role models.
I take offense to your mischaracterization-- you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
...everyone is acting like their side is the good guys and the other side is the bad guys, when it increasingly seems like it's the bad guys vs. the bad guys.
It's like being a Ukranian in 1941 and having to choose between fighting for Germany or Russia.
At the crucial moment, that means decisively opting for power, for the abuse of it, for suppression, ... you get the point.
for oppression, for obfuscation, subversiveness,non-disclosure, backdoors, for
Good riddance say I.
When the only source of information you accept as legitimate is a horde of morons who fly into screaming apoplexy because someone says "Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that." you need to take a long hard look at yourself, and realize you're either an idiot who needs to shut the hell up before your foot goes any further down your throat, or you maybe need to actually look at the world.
That review thing? It never actually happened - there was no review. Just a dipshit who got butthurt over being dumped, and made shit up about his ex, then conned a bunch of losers into being his personal army of revenge. Looks good on you moron.
I will only address the last part, since you are a bit below the level I usually require to engage. Regarding your stellar claim that Eron Gjoni (linkey here http://thezoepost.wordpress.co... ) 'made shit up' I can only laugh. He has presented proof and verification for his claims, which interestingly enough, you have not.
"Hey guys, when you're alone on an elevator with a woman you've never met before, leaning in close and inviting her to an orgy is kinda creepy. Don't do that."
Yes, and that's a fairly insulting thing to say to a stranger. It's like if I walked up to you and asked you to stop beating your wife and neglecting your daughter. It presupposes: 1) That you obviously ARE a wife beater, and 2) that you must stop that. If you show insult, the response to that only mentions point #2: "What, so you think beating your wife is okay? Are you just a complete asshole?" The incorrectness of point #1 is not questioned, nor is the insult that assuming that people in a group conform to a stereotype of a small minority.
So yeah, go into a large group of people and shout "Jesus, why are all you people such fucking assholes??" Yeah, it should come as no surprise that you get a negative reaction.
No, they are playing "I'm Spartacus!" with people who ARE sending death threats to women.
I'm astounded by the amount of self-indulgent bullshit I am reading in this comment thread. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. You all should shut the fuck up and get some more emotional maturity before claiming victim status while rallying around people who issue death threats to strangers.
I've read the lengthy allegations by the ex-boyfriend against Zoe. They read like an emotionally inexperienced boy in his first relationship with somebody who herself has emotional problems from an abusive childhood. He repeatedly pulls out the most minor infractions as major violations by his ex, while completely missing the fact that he himself is committing major transgressions in return by trying to behave as judge and jury under the guise of "rebuilding trust". His behavior is not compassionate, it is self-serving and childish. Both of them made mistakes and clearly should not be together. Neither of them did anything remotely related to gaming journalism or the ethics thereof. The alleged "sex for article coverage" is a flat-out lie, it is completely unsupported by his lengthy and annotated exposition.
That anybody is even discussing their relationship and it's failures is ample proof that the misogynists are not only winning, but completely drowning out those who support equality. The situation is NOT a problem for gaming journalism. The Zoe situation is completely unrelated to the Tropes webseries, and completely unrelated to the articles calling out gamer misogyny. Any claim otherwise is specious and childish.
Once you take out that relationship, all you are left with is a bunch of people publicly calling out gamers for their misogyny, and getting a hugely misogynistic backlash for it, effectively proving their point. This has nothing to do with ethics or journalism. This is purely about the malicious and vindictive nature of the "gamers" community and their seething resentment that anybody might merely suggest they lose their honored position of untouchable privilege.
"ÃGame cultureÃ(TM) as we know it is kind of embarrassing -"
"ItÃ(TM)s young men queuing with plush mushroom hats and backpacks and jutting promo poster rolls. "
"petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction"
"infantilized cultural desert of shitty behavior"
"You know, young white dudes with disposable income"
"atrocities committed by young white teen boys in hypercapitalist America"
"ItÃ(TM)s probably intense, painful stuff for some young kids, some older men."
"Gamers are over. ThatÃ(TM)s why theyÃ(TM)re so mad. "
"These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers"
This sounds like the mad rantings of a Freshman Gender Studies student who have never touched a video game, not the news director of a gaming website! It is nothing more than sexist, ageist, name-calling. It sounds like she not only hates her job but also hates the industry she is covering. No wonder Intel pulled their support, I can't imagine any corporation would want to be associated with this.
This issue is now impacting Linux kernel development. Matthew Garrett has decided to stop resolving issues related to Intel products.
It wasn't seed for a review. It was promoting a game while in a sexism relationship with the subject. Nathan Grayson and Zoe have both admitted to this.
How about writing articles on a game made by your roommate? Patricia Hernandez did just that.
How about supporting debs via Patreon (or devs supporting reporters)? This is happening and the "journalists" hand out good press.
How about censoring any mention of these issues in discussion sections or forums?
These are the ethical issues at play.
I've followed this issue long enough to have formed a very firm feminist view of situation. The tone of these comments makes me cringe. This venerable site is full of the MRA scum that's making internet so much worse than it would be without them.
It's funny how they never argue about the real issues (games and gamers having very strong implicit and explicit misogynist / intolerant views) and instead just react based on their own hurt feelings.
I'm going to go back to tumblr so I can pretend we feminists are winning.
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It's about calling out scam artists like Anita Sarkeesian and her bogus kickstarter. It's about calling out scumbags like Zoe Quinn and the gaming journalists with the undisclosed conflicts of interests that reported on her games. It's about calling out those who defend those other people by ignoring facts and manufacturing controversy, trying to discredit legitimate criticism as misogyny. People just like you, Timothy. This trash piece is unsurprising, though, since Slashdot has completely sold out to the SJW lie.
I find it interesting that this said it's not about journalism, it's about Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. Then I look up the page and there's half a dozen people saying it's about journalistic integrity and Zoe Quinn is just pretending it's about her because she's an attention whore.
It's almost like, if you have a decentralised movement with no obvious leadership, that you don't have the ability to say what your movement is (or isn't) about any more. So when people say that Intel are caving to the kind of idiot who thinks the above isn't misogyny, you can't say that's not what's happening, because you don't own the movement and you can't point to anyone who does.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
Example: Light (photons) behave like a particle, AND a wave. BOTH are true
Bad example, this isn't two truths, there is only one, the fact that photons have dual behaviour and are not only a particle or only a wave.
Regarding the very statement of the nature of light, there is one truth.
Regarding observed properties of light, there are many, and at least those two properties are valid/verified, but this isn't related to an in-between or non binary truth.
I apologise, but Slashdot ate my HTML.
The top paragraph is a quote of the above AC, if you hadn't already worked it out from context.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
I think it was C.S.Lewis who once said that political infighting amongst academics often become so vicious, not because the stakes are big, but exactly because they are so small. And looking at the comments in the discussion here seems to confirm this - it's just about games. Recreation, in other words - when you are an adult, there are other things in life that ought to be more important.
It was NOT "to discredit prominent female games journalists". It is about getting corruption out of games journalism. Like, you know, a secret email list for games journalists to coordinate/agree on a narrative http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite (NOTE: More dumps of the list can be found on breitbart.com as well.).
Why did Gamasutra EARN criticism? Here you go http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php (NOTE: There was a dozen articles on the same vein on the SAME DAY.).
Gamers have been told we are sexist misogynists, etc, etc, etc for YEARS. This is us starting to fight back. Check #GamerGate and #NotYourShield on twitter.
Oh, and before people start defending Leigh Alexander, remember who you're talking about (One of several articles detailing her behaviour.): http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-worst-critic-gaming/
If I was selling stuff to gamers i'd pull the add money after articles like that. I mean, they are basically bashing my customers, and I doubt my customers would keep on reading their site after the site itself telling them to fuck off like that. Maybe they can get new advertisers who want to sell stuff to the candy crush gamers? They won't be buying the latest intel processors anyway, so why advertise to them? They are saying it themselves "they are not my audience". They, like it or not, are the people who buy latest intel processors to make games run better. They are Intels audience. Intel want to advertise to them.
You might want to try watching her lo-fi let's play videos on YouTube where she plays through some 80's text adventure games them see if you feel the same way. That's where I first encountered her, without a clue that she was busy terrifying people elsewhere on the internet, she's far more a geek than a lot of self professed gamers. If anything I think she harks back to the era before the COD crowd came to dominate everything.
First sign that this article was a hitpiece written by the people who are the problem: They use the term Gater.
This has never been about women in gaming, in fact there are a large group of women, minorities, SJWs, and feminists which support the Gamergate movement. The article you see above is written by a group of people mostly made up of white middle class men who were involved in corruption in the Journalism. Granted, some people might say this is normal these days but that doesn't matter. What matters is their response.
Instead of taking steps like The Escapist did to insure Journalistic integrity - which is to just state outright if you had connections to the subject yo are writing on at least, and to recuse yourself from writing the article at most - they cried misogyny and sicked the feminists and SJWs who flat out did not know better on the Gaming community.
And to make matters more hilarious for those of us who are sane, they have committed acts of verifiable defamation by submitting slanderous articles to news agencies. No one - except al jazeera of all places - has cared to call them out on this in the media.
Is this really what we want to do? Reduce something as important as women's rights as a shield for a select few to use when they are called under scrutiny?
I do believe I'm sensing a little bit of butthurt. You and your conspiratorial cultural marxist radical feminists can choke on your self righteousness love. The world of gaming is blind to gender, ethnicity and all that crap. It's about fun and entertainment and when it comes right down to you it, you and everyone like you are just CENSORS who want to limit free speech and expression to assuage some past trauma you've never been able to get over. Grow up and GO AWAY.
You believe everything that is written on the internet, don't you.
I appreciate very much the varying points of view here .. that didn't get TOO paranoid or conspiratorial, thank the godz.
However .. I just went to www.gamasutra.com, expecting to see a hotbed of feminist rages.
Surprise, surprise, surprise - very bad Gomer Pyle imitation
One, uno, ein, 1 blog entry from a female worker at Angry Birds on gender balance, and a very thoughtful article indeed!
So where's the beef? Why the furor? Tempest in a teakettle, eh?
I'm thinking Intel is succumbing to a kneejerk response to a flood of bogus complaints. Tch, shame on them.
There has been misogyny in gaming (and in society) for years. There have been feminists for years, and anti-feminists who object to them. No news there.
The news is that Intel bowed to pressure from a group of anti-feminist gamers and withdrew its support from a site that published some feminist criticism of gaming culture. That makes me very sad. I would have preferred to see Intel stand up for the feminist gamers, or perhaps even increase its support of Gamasutra in response to the blackmail. That they chose to pull their ads shows that they care about the bottom line more than they care about social justice.
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This to me is the heart of the issue... Indie game media being so incestuously close to developers that a girl developer being outed as sleeping around with 5 game journalists (while being the long term 'partner' of a dev) for help getting her game promoted is spun into an attack on feminism and general female liberation rather than there being any heat on the dev or journo's lack of integrity.
It seems journo's are promoting games because their little inner circle of "friendly" developers ask them to - or due to a particular ideology of "there should be more women developers therefore anything a woman does must be award worthy because d'aww" - rather than the games standing on their own merits, there's small wonder a bunch of people got up in arms. Not that I think gaming media ever had any credibility - previous scandals & the way AAA titles seem to average about 9.5/10 took care of that (and some games back in the day like I think it was a skydiving simulator which only loaded 1/2 the time and was generally an unplayable mess somehow managing 6/10 on sites like Gamespot).
The impact of favouritism is massively disproportionate for indie devs who are often creating games on shoe-strings and for the joy of the subject of the game (and fact it a lot of indie games seem to be about either a cool idea or story to tell rather than necessarily being for mass market appeal), compared to reporting on the big AAA releases where the gaming media will be saturated and the gaming studios have a lineage that most gamers already know about.
That this happened roughly the same time as the Anita Sarkeesian tropes/kickstarter just added fuel to the fire and brought feminist allies (who, like Anita work as 'marketing consultants' for a lot of dev houses and game media) to the defence of the poor wee damsel.
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