In 10.3 they built all of the web access routines into the OS, called it WebKit (?), and opened it up to all comers. So now instead of trying to code your own http requests using sockets and such you can just toss the OS one line of 'get me this page from this machine' and it'll return it in a buffer. They would have had to maintain two VERY VERY different versions of Safari in order to make 1.2 work on 10.2. Serious engineering effort. Not worth it. Don't assume that this was done just to insult you.
You don't understand how frameworks and packages work, do you?
Find an old version of Safari. Ctrl-click, "Show package contents". You'll find WebKit in there. On Panther it's a system framework, so they could make the Safari download smaller.
That "serious engineering effort" is minimal to non-existent.
You're right that four collections of five is better than one collection of twenty. I still think that's better served by virtual desktops than some other paradigm, but I don't ever have twenty panes on the go so I've never really given tabbed browsing much time.
And as far as "mousing over" the windows in Expose goes...please. What do you think keyboard navigation is for?
I think it's for someone who would rather cover O(n) rather than O(sqrt(n)) distance to reach a given window;P No, I'd rather have keyboard shortcuts too, at least for, say, the first ten visible windows.
By the way, have you tried going into F9-Expose mode (or whatever you have it bound to) and then Command-backticking? Wierd, it acts kinda more like Command-tabbing.
I have never used "Hide..."; but then, I never used Macs before OS X.
So what Expose does for every window on the computer (or in the application) you can expect Safari to be able to do for every tab in your window.
This functionality already exists with Expose, by default bound to F10. All you have to do is uncheck "Enable tabbed browsing" in Safari's preferences:P
Why anyone would continue to use tabbed browsing given the existence of Expose is beyond me. Perhaps if Apple were to have the windows display their titles superimposed as soon as Expose is active, rather than only when they are moused over?
Can your 4 year old Powerbook run all the latest software from Apple? But a 4 year old BMW can continue to run on gasoline.
What a terribly muddle you have made of the analogy. A car runs on fuel, software runs on hardware. Note the difference between "runs" and "runs on".
because gasoline technology (which actually does change year to year with new additives) is made to be "backwards compatible" with all cars.
You must be too young to remember the introduction of unleaded petrol!
This means that over 90% of computer hardware is based on the 0x86 architecture.
x86 refers to a series of chips all ending in the number 86, not to a hexadecimal value.
If Apple made the switch, they would have almost instant access to a market much much larger than their current base. If they ditched the hardware side of the company, they would be saving tons of money, and their profit margins would be much higher. However: This is would occur only if OSX really is a superior product over Windows.
I see the company you work for (who am I kidding?!) doesn't compete with Microsoft.
Which one is the plan that will cause all of the Europeans to sneer in my face? And which one of the plans will produce the results I want?
Amusingly, I live in Europe, and all video players sold within the last five or ten years can play videos in the NTSC format. But the more general answer to your question is "whichever plan makes the customer's life easier", which is what people who don't use Macs don't tend to understand.
I'm afraid to say that my cube is also without problem. Well... there's a small cosmetic default in the case that looks like a crack, but other than that...;)
Your guess is as good as anyone's. It might be at the next expo. Remember, the 12" and 17" PowerBooks were kept pretty tightly under wraps until they were announced; it seems that that division of Apple is more secure leak-wise.
Imagine you were Apple. Would you even hint that a G5 PowerBook might be approaching the pipeline? They must have lost a hell of a lot of G4 PowerMac sales with the drawn-out impending release of the G5.
If we ever reach 8192-bit computing, each register in my computer will have the storage capacity of the entire main memory of my first computer (a Sinclair ZX81)!
he: "Told you Macs were brilliant, eh?" me: "Yes, but you were wrong." he: "But... you've just bought one and you never use anything else!" me: "The Mac is dead. Long live the Mac!"
I think the word "half" was just fine in that sentence, thank-you-very-much.
In that case, what the hell does that sentence mean? Let me guess. It means the same as it would have done with the word "have" in it?
What are you smoking? There are many "Once you've had (insert object here), you'll never go back" sayings - the same sayings I hinted at in my post. Many of them are subjective, and hence, wrong.
Yes, but if you laugh at everything of a particular kind, it doesn't carry as much weight as if you laugh only at one of a kind. Similar to if a member of the opposite sex flirts with everyone, it's not the same as if he or she only flirts with you. That's what I meant.
I have no idea what the hell your talking about here...
Well, why did you capitalise Mac? MAC means something else.
I was saying that I had Gentoo installed (the base, no X/KDE/Gnome/whatever) but beyond that, it sits on the table, unused.
Since you seem to need the help: you stated that the purpose of having your Mac plugged in was for power. That is not true, because it is not drawing any power. That is all.
I suggest you go back to English class, or perhaps you just need a sense of humour?
You just disconnected your TV cables and from now on you only listen music on your CD player.
No I didn't. However, I still don't use my Windows PC any more. What's your point? Which part of I don't use my Windows PC any more don't you understand?
BTW I don't use my CD player any more because my DVD player plays CDs. Perhaps this is an analogy you can understand?
Yours may be the most nonsensical post I've ever read on Slashdot.
1. You misspell the "have" in "I just have to laugh". 2. You say "and not just about Macs" which is all very enigmatic, but weakens your point considerably. 3. You then claim to have a Media Access Control in your store. 4. You grudgingly admit that it's plugged into the wall ("for power"), but I've got news for you: when a computer is off, it doesn't need power.
No wonder you didn't have time to finish installing Gentoo, when you have yet to master this new-fangled electrickery!
Smoking crack in concept may be illegal but smoking crack the stuff you've got in your bowl right now is zero risk. Basically it's cocaine with a different molecule attached. You can freely smoke it without getting addicted. Whether this will still be true after the cold sweats set in I do not know, maybe I trust my dealer more than, huh, what's that you say, the real world? Never heard of it.
Guess how much fun life is going to be, once you're out of diapers and have stopped playing rhyming games and thinking that it's funny to make references to homosexuality all the time?
Strange muggers you have in your neck of the woods!
Mugger: Empty your right hand pocket. Oho! Give me that ten dollar note. Now empty your left hand pocket. Ohoho! Screw that ten dollar note, you can have it back... give me that twenty instead!
If you had the choice between a slightly faster computer that looked like a 3-year old child felching the guy from goatse, and a slightly slower computer that looked like a PowerMac G5, which would you choose?
I agree entirely. In my analogy, if you don't notice the difference in speed when you upgrade your hardware, you didn't need to upgrade it. You upgraded it because you perceive it as an advantage that other people have, which you desire.
Then, when you try to stop taking anti-depressants, your brain feels like it keeps swapping to disk all the time...
Why would you hazard a guess that obviously contradicts Apple's own research? Only one (of about ten) Mac users that I know has a multi-button mouse. I'm a power user and I still use modifier keys and a one-button mouse (it encourages me to think about non-power users when I'm developing user interfaces).
You're wrong. It's not that there is never any need to right-drag (see Apple's own Interface Builder for a good example of this), it's that you don't want to confuse the majority of users by giving them something out-of-the-box which is really only necessary for power users (who can plug in a multi-button mouse or use the modifier keys).
I do think that Apple should themselves make available a really nice (read: matching) two- or three-button mouse, though.
You seem to think that all users are power users. Let me guess: all your friends are geeks? I think Apple's HCI experts have a better idea than you do of whether people with a positive IQ, who have used a computer for considerably longer than an hour, still get confused using multiple mouse buttons.
And as b-baggins (no relation) said, the number one reason is to enforce good GUI development. Mac developers know that power users will have two-button (or more) mice, so they can put the power functionality in context menus etc.; but they'll try to make the majority cases easy to access using only one button. If you don't see that as good GUI design, that's because you don't know what good GUI design is.
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In 10.3 they built all of the web access routines into the OS, called it WebKit (?), and opened it up to all comers. So now instead of trying to code your own http requests using sockets and such you can just toss the OS one line of 'get me this page from this machine' and it'll return it in a buffer. They would have had to maintain two VERY VERY different versions of Safari in order to make 1.2 work on 10.2. Serious engineering effort. Not worth it. Don't assume that this was done just to insult you.
You don't understand how frameworks and packages work, do you?
Find an old version of Safari. Ctrl-click, "Show package contents". You'll find WebKit in there. On Panther it's a system framework, so they could make the Safari download smaller.
That "serious engineering effort" is minimal to non-existent.
Fair points.
;P No, I'd rather have keyboard shortcuts too, at least for, say, the first ten visible windows.
You're right that four collections of five is better than one collection of twenty. I still think that's better served by virtual desktops than some other paradigm, but I don't ever have twenty panes on the go so I've never really given tabbed browsing much time.
And as far as "mousing over" the windows in Expose goes...please. What do you think keyboard navigation is for?
I think it's for someone who would rather cover O(n) rather than O(sqrt(n)) distance to reach a given window
By the way, have you tried going into F9-Expose mode (or whatever you have it bound to) and then Command-backticking? Wierd, it acts kinda more like Command-tabbing.
I have never used "Hide..."; but then, I never used Macs before OS X.
So what Expose does for every window on the computer (or in the application) you can expect Safari to be able to do for every tab in your window.
:P
This functionality already exists with Expose, by default bound to F10. All you have to do is uncheck "Enable tabbed browsing" in Safari's preferences
Why anyone would continue to use tabbed browsing given the existence of Expose is beyond me. Perhaps if Apple were to have the windows display their titles superimposed as soon as Expose is active, rather than only when they are moused over?
Can your 4 year old Powerbook run all the latest software from Apple? But a 4 year old BMW can continue to run on gasoline.
What a terribly muddle you have made of the analogy. A car runs on fuel, software runs on hardware. Note the difference between "runs" and "runs on".
because gasoline technology (which actually does change year to year with new additives) is made to be "backwards compatible" with all cars.
You must be too young to remember the introduction of unleaded petrol!
This means that over 90% of computer hardware is based on the 0x86 architecture.
x86 refers to a series of chips all ending in the number 86, not to a hexadecimal value.
If Apple made the switch, they would have almost instant access to a market much much larger than their current base. If they ditched the hardware side of the company, they would be saving tons of money, and their profit margins would be much higher. However: This is would occur only if OSX really is a superior product over Windows.
I see the company you work for (who am I kidding?!) doesn't compete with Microsoft.
Which one is the plan that will cause all of the Europeans to sneer in my face? And which one of the plans will produce the results I want?
Amusingly, I live in Europe, and all video players sold within the last five or ten years can play videos in the NTSC format. But the more general answer to your question is "whichever plan makes the customer's life easier", which is what people who don't use Macs don't tend to understand.
I'm afraid to say that my cube is also without problem. Well... there's a small cosmetic default in the case that looks like a crack, but other than that... ;)
So in your imaginary universe, what are they going to do when they are working on it, then? Suddenly become suspiciously quiet?
Yes, when. What, did you think Apple might just not make a G5 laptop?! Of course they're working on it.
(for a significant time)
Your guess is as good as anyone's. It might be at the next expo. Remember, the 12" and 17" PowerBooks were kept pretty tightly under wraps until they were announced; it seems that that division of Apple is more secure leak-wise.
Imagine you were Apple. Would you even hint that a G5 PowerBook might be approaching the pipeline? They must have lost a hell of a lot of G4 PowerMac sales with the drawn-out impending release of the G5.
If we ever reach 8192-bit computing, each register in my computer will have the storage capacity of the entire main memory of my first computer (a Sinclair ZX81)!
I thought OS 6,7,8 and 9 were pretty cool too.
Yeah, but I bet you wouldn't go back, no?
he: "Told you Macs were brilliant, eh?"
me: "Yes, but you were wrong."
he: "But... you've just bought one and you never use anything else!"
me: "The Mac is dead. Long live the Mac!"
I think the word "half" was just fine in that sentence, thank-you-very-much.
In that case, what the hell does that sentence mean? Let me guess. It means the same as it would have done with the word "have" in it?
What are you smoking? There are many "Once you've had (insert object here), you'll never go back" sayings - the same sayings I hinted at in my post. Many of them are subjective, and hence, wrong.
Yes, but if you laugh at everything of a particular kind, it doesn't carry as much weight as if you laugh only at one of a kind. Similar to if a member of the opposite sex flirts with everyone, it's not the same as if he or she only flirts with you. That's what I meant.
I have no idea what the hell your talking about here...
Well, why did you capitalise Mac? MAC means something else.
I was saying that I had Gentoo installed (the base, no X/KDE/Gnome/whatever) but beyond that, it sits on the table, unused.
Since you seem to need the help: you stated that the purpose of having your Mac plugged in was for power. That is not true, because it is not drawing any power. That is all.
I suggest you go back to English class, or perhaps you just need a sense of humour?
You just disconnected your TV cables and from now on you only listen music on your CD player.
No I didn't. However, I still don't use my Windows PC any more. What's your point? Which part of I don't use my Windows PC any more don't you understand?
BTW I don't use my CD player any more because my DVD player plays CDs. Perhaps this is an analogy you can understand?
Yours may be the most nonsensical post I've ever read on Slashdot.
1. You misspell the "have" in "I just have to laugh".
2. You say "and not just about Macs" which is all very enigmatic, but weakens your point considerably.
3. You then claim to have a Media Access Control in your store.
4. You grudgingly admit that it's plugged into the wall ("for power"), but I've got news for you: when a computer is off, it doesn't need power.
No wonder you didn't have time to finish installing Gentoo, when you have yet to master this new-fangled electrickery!
Smoking crack in concept may be illegal but smoking crack the stuff you've got in your bowl right now is zero risk. Basically it's cocaine with a different molecule attached. You can freely smoke it without getting addicted. Whether this will still be true after the cold sweats set in I do not know, maybe I trust my dealer more than, huh, what's that you say, the real world? Never heard of it.
Guess which word 'bag' rhymes with?
Guess how much fun life is going to be, once you're out of diapers and have stopped playing rhyming games and thinking that it's funny to make references to homosexuality all the time?
Mugger: Screw the wallet
Strange muggers you have in your neck of the woods!
Mugger: Empty your right hand pocket. Oho! Give me that ten dollar note. Now empty your left hand pocket. Ohoho! Screw that ten dollar note, you can have it back... give me that twenty instead!
Man, that's just so August! It's all dual-2GHz G5s these days. And you've been ripped off; I can get one with two cinema displays for $700.
Period yourself.
I don't use my Windows machine any more.
Macs compete with PCs. Period.
If you had the choice between a slightly faster computer that looked like a 3-year old child felching the guy from goatse, and a slightly slower computer that looked like a PowerMac G5, which would you choose?
;)
Thought so
You use a 3.0054644808743169398907103825137-button mouse?!
It's just as well you're not Steve Jobs, then. You can be Jean-Louis Gassee instead!
(If you don't understand the reference, look up the history of a company named Be).
On what basis do you claim to know about the experiences of 90% of computer users? Have you conducted ten times the research that Apple has?
You are purely projecting your own wishes onto the entire computing population. "I find a scroll wheel indispensable, so everyone does".
FWIW, I use the scroll wheel all the time under Windows, but when I use my Mac, I use the keyboard instead, without really noticing.
I'd like to think that Apple's new mouse would break the mould... possibly no buttons, but primed to recognise stroked gestures?
I agree entirely. In my analogy, if you don't notice the difference in speed when you upgrade your hardware, you didn't need to upgrade it. You upgraded it because you perceive it as an advantage that other people have, which you desire.
Then, when you try to stop taking anti-depressants, your brain feels like it keeps swapping to disk all the time...
Why would you hazard a guess that obviously contradicts Apple's own research? Only one (of about ten) Mac users that I know has a multi-button mouse. I'm a power user and I still use modifier keys and a one-button mouse (it encourages me to think about non-power users when I'm developing user interfaces).
You're wrong. It's not that there is never any need to right-drag (see Apple's own Interface Builder for a good example of this), it's that you don't want to confuse the majority of users by giving them something out-of-the-box which is really only necessary for power users (who can plug in a multi-button mouse or use the modifier keys).
I do think that Apple should themselves make available a really nice (read: matching) two- or three-button mouse, though.
You seem to think that all users are power users. Let me guess: all your friends are geeks? I think Apple's HCI experts have a better idea than you do of whether people with a positive IQ, who have used a computer for considerably longer than an hour, still get confused using multiple mouse buttons.
And as b-baggins (no relation) said, the number one reason is to enforce good GUI development. Mac developers know that power users will have two-button (or more) mice, so they can put the power functionality in context menus etc.; but they'll try to make the majority cases easy to access using only one button. If you don't see that as good GUI design, that's because you don't know what good GUI design is.