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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Update
physicsnerd writes "Apple has apparently pulled the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update from Software Update. The standalone updates have also been pulled. There have been reports of problems with 10.2.8 on iMacs and eMacs." People have also reported network problems.
... and if anyone post one of those no-carrier jokes, I'll... umm... let's see, I can't mod them down...
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You would think that after a few months of beta testing this update they would have caught all the bugs.....
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I finished the update earlier on my PowerBook G3 with no problems.
*knock wood*
Are we certain this is an [e|i]mac-specific issue?
El riesgo vive siempre!
Maybe they will re-release it with the new ssh fix!
I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD and a PowerBook G4 550Mhz.
No problems, encountered but I installed the updates and ran a Repair Permissions afterwards.
The only problem:
The PowerMac screen saver went to sleep and would not wake up after the Software Update mandatory reboot. I had walked away from the machine after telling it to reboot and did not even login to it. It froze with the screen blanked. I ended up SSHing into it from another computer and doing a sudo shutdown -h now then powered it back up. This is when I ran the Repair Permissions.
The PowerBook was upgraded after this and it didn't have a single problem. I didn't have a chance to test it though.
Hope they roll out an updated 10.2.8 soon so whatever major bug(s) were let loose; would get reined in quickly.
Serves me right in not waiting 2 days before I applied the updates. Some were having problems but most were do to people running haxies.
Like I was saying...
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
As far as I know, the problem is limited to a few iMacs/eMacs. I have no problems on the iBook, powerbook g4, or powermac G4 in my house... all on 10.2.8. I would expect Apple to put it back up as soon as they fix the apparent failure, either through a modified 10.2.8 or a patch for the systems affected. This update is nothing all that exciting, so it's not a mistake that it ever went up. In other words, don't worry if you have 10.2.8. You'll be fine.
I don't know what it is but i'm just addicted to these Mac OS X updates. I hear one is comming down the pipe and I wait with baited breath.. Itching for it to hit Software Update. Anyway.. my update worked fine. 10.3 or bust Apple.. ;-)
With one weird, but possibly-not-related, exception.
I did the 10.2.8 update on my G4 PowerMac. After the initial reboot and before I had a chance to actually do anything, my keyboard and mouse stopped responding. But a power cycle later and things seem to be working fine. I've since run a couple Classic apps (mainly the scanning software for a Canon), plus OS X Photoshop 7 and connected to a couple Samba shares on a Linux server. The only network connection is wired Ethernet.
I should have thought to try and ssh in before cycling the machine, but I didn't. So, for all I know it could have either been just the kb/mouse, or it could have been the entire machine, that froze up.
Baited breath huh? I updated a 1GHz G4 Powerbook and a WallStreet Powerbook today. Everything looks ok for now...
Quicksilver G4/933 running 100Base-T through DHCP:
I upgraded last night and then rebooted. Everything worked fine. Then this morning I suddenly lost all Internet access. Tried to renew the DHCP lease, and that failed. I rebooted and things are working (for now).
Other problems: The Firewall pane of the System Preferences says I already have a firewall running and therefore it will not let me change/configure it.
All in all, most OS X upgrades have been pretty problem-free for me. It sucks these things happen, and they should not happen, but...
Something else funny - right before the machine went down I was complaining on IRC about the new SSH patch and how I was going to have to take down my machine again for that.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
My 17 inch powerbook was rendered useless overnight. Upon rebooting, the video display renedered the grey screen of death. Hopefully, doing an 'archive and install' and going back to 10.2.6 will fix my woes... At least they are doing the responsible thing and pulling the plug on it.
My only hand-input device is a Wacom Intuos 2 tablet & mouse. It seems that if you don't have a traditional USB mouse attached, Mac OS X 10.2.8 "helpfully" assumes that you must be trying to connect a bluetooth mouth and launches a Bluetooth configurator for you.
Every.
Time.
I log in, and
Every.
Time.
I log out.
Man, this sucks. Not as bad as not booting, but it's a constant annoyance.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I did notice some weirdness with my PowerBook G4 internet connection, which went away when I switched to a different location that is based on using my Airport(s).
Also I noticed that my second monitor arrangement went away.
I was thinking that these things must be complex and difficult to test every option. Still it sounds like they screwed up on this one. Ah well...
ThosEM
I fear Apple's tried to hurry this update through to make a package of all the recent security fixes along with standard updates. Mistake! They should have released the security fixes asap and separately, and spent as long as required to test the rest.
The biggest "feature" of 10.2.8 for me was the battery timer was completely messed up. I removed the plug and the timer indicated there was 1:50 left, however, the battery actually lasted over 3 hours while multi-tasking AND charging my iPod. I let the battery run all the way down to let it recalibrate - and though the timer indicator is higher than it was last night, it is still not as high as before I installed the update. I have read that other people have had similar problems, too.
It doesn't appear that the battery time itself was affected, just the way it calculates how much time is left.
And you're bitter you weren't invited?
A lot of PowerBook G3 "Lombard" owners (myself included) have been having problems with frequent crashing that causes the display to become garbled. I first thought the problem was with Unsanity's Application Enhancer (APE), but after removing it I still keep crashing.
Some have suggested repairing disk permissions via Disk Utility (which I'm in the process of doing) while others have suggested removing 1 of your 2 RAM modules (assuming you have two installed)
I think that the problem has to do with having 2 RAM modules installed. I was monitoring my memory usage leading up to the crashes and whenever the RAM in use goes over 256 MB (meaning it's now using both RAM modules) then a crash will not be far away. The laptop was stable and never crashed if the RAM used was under 256 MB.
So once my permissions repair is complete I'll probably remove one of my DIMMs to see if the problem really lies with the RAM.
infested with jello like fishes no melotron wishes
they haven't gone over a ??.??.9 release since... well.. I can't remember when. Can you?
My fathers B&W Tower (Smurf) has never needed to be sent in to Apple for repair or replacement of parts and every upgrade has always worked....I would say that it was the best investment he-s ever made.
One way that Apple could be different right now, would be to post some sort minimal explanation as to what's going on. I guess there's probably some sort of legal reason for not doing so.
Guess I'll stick with 10.3
I installed it and it worked great. I sure didn't enounter any network prNO CARRIER.
Im running an old PMac G4 400 (AGP), I've not seen anything go wrong.
Of course, my onboard network adapter and firewire ports were fried in a lightning storm...
I hate kentucky.
This may imply something important is broken in the OS, or in the latest Office. In either case, it's important for Apple to keep it working.
no problems at all on iBook 900mhz / eMac 700mhz
in fact, it seems to have cleared up a couple of issues i was having with the eMac.
Like a lot of other people, this update seems to have completely screwed up ethernet networking for me. A lot of the reports I've read (Apple's site Slashdot comment, MacFixit article, MacSlash, etc) suggest that people with dual processor G4s running 400-500mhz are having a lot of problems, and a broken driver for the Intel gigabit ethernet chipset has been blamed -- though I haven't seen anything that conclusively says that this component is at fault. Other reports have come from people running faster G4s & PowerBooks, so if the Intel ethernet driver is a cause, it doesn't seem to be the only cause. All I can say personally is that my dual G4/450mhz is definitely messed up right now.
The best remedy I've seen so far is to restore the pre-10.2.8 version of the AppleGMACEthernet ethernet driver. If you can -- and for most people it'll be too late for this advice to do any good -- make a backup of the .kext driver before updgrading to 10.2.8, then use that to rebuild is things go awry. For everyone else, your best bet is to download it from Andrew McPherson's MIT site, either by establishing a dialup connection, by booting into OS9 and getting it from there, or by grabbing it with another machine and transferring it to your broken Mac by e.g. a burned CD, a Zip disc, etc.
Here are the repair steps, as slightly modified from McPherson's suggestion at Apple's site:
This advice is close to that which McPherson suggested, but he recommended deleting the broken driver, and the commands I give above make a backup just in case. If all goes well you may remove that ~/enet_backup directory, but I have a hunch that somehow you're going to have to end up re-installing it, so keeping a copy around seems prudent to me -- and it's not like it even takes up that much space (well under a megabyte).
Other people have reported success with other solutions. One proposal was to run the command "ifconfig en0 media autoselect", but in my case that didn't work. Others have suggested rebooting, zapping the PRAM a few times, then letting the machine boot again; others have said that that didn't work either.
Replacing the driver, as described above, seems to be the remedy that has had the most success for the most users -- but even still, it isn't working for everybody. In my case, it has allowed me to reconnect to my PPPoE/
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
I recently was having problems that required me to reinstall OS X without saving users and network settings. I did this, and it all went fine, except now Classic will not run. It didn't work in 10.2 (which I installed from CD) and it didn't work after updating to 10.2.8; the preference pane tells me there is no usable classic system on the drive. Yet I can boot into OS9 and Startup Disk reports a working 9.2.2 system there. Is there some way to get my computer to recognize 9.2.2 and let me run classic mode when I need it?
I have a MOTU 828 audio recording interface, and since i installed 10.2.8 this morning, i get a kernel panic every time i plug in the MOTU. Hope they get that one fixed in 10.2.(x|x>8)...
I hit the Ethernet problem myself (and most frustrating it was, too), but replacing the driver (as described elsewhere) worked a treat, and I've had no other issues with 10.2.8 at all. No obvious benefits, either, though...
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I've used the ibook quite a bit since I updated it and everything seems fine so far. The battery indicator has the same problem someone else here mentioned of showing only half as much battery power as you would expect, but my battery has been flaky lately anyway due to another problem so I didn't attribute that to 10.2.8 until I read the comments about it. All in all, I'm having problems with these computers but I haven't noticed anything significant due to 10.2.8 yet. (keeping fingers crossed...)
Of course, I'm on my AirPort connection, and I haven't tried my 10/100 Ethernet. I guess I'll wait for 10.2.8.1.
My wife went ahead and clicked the "OK, Update me" button this morning. All was well until near the end of the install when it froze.
:-(
She finally gave up and pressed restart.
BAD!
The Finder now could not stay up. This was now an unusuable system.
So we tried Disk First Aid. It found plenty of errors and said it was fixing them - each time it was run. But it wasn't really
So she spend most of the day constructing a new system on an external hard disk. Luckily little was lost, except her time.
Not a happy experience.
Apple needs to test these problem cases better. Please Apple, invest in more QA!
I was downloading the update this morning (via Software Update), left the room, came back a few minutes later and my screen was blank...as if the machine were sleeping. Nothing would rouse it, however.
I ssh'd in and tried killing various processes but nothing worked...couldn't even reboot!
Only thing that worked was a hard restart (holding down the power button) and then running fsck a couple of times.
Everything is OK now but that was most un-Apple like.
Procrastination pays off again. I got home from work today already to install the patch to find that it i s gone. I think I would have been ok, have a new iBook.
Fuuny thing is, on one of the runor sites a day or two ago, there was an article about 10.2.8 getting released internally to Apple, and that public release might be delayed because some unspecified problems cropping up. Makes you wonder if whoever is supposed to say "stop the presses!" called in sick on the wrong day.
No obvious problems or improvements on my iBook G3 500.
Karma? Sorry, i don't believe in superstition. http://talk.thinkingmatters.org.nz
... so an install of 9 is just OS9 and Classic is a shell.
I gave up OS9 for Lent last year. Now my machine is twenty pounds lighter and can do a four min. mile!
Any preoccupation with ideas of what is right or wrong in conduct shows an arrested intellectual development. (Wilde)
Darn, I feel left out!
Any other Cube owners without problems? Maybe we could start a support group...
I think, therefore I am...I think.
It just works. But how, exactly?
Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
and use OO
PP is for weenies anyway
no optimization for interlace
no timecode support
no distributed system support
no I/O support
and ever so helpful :-p
I did notice that the "Network Info" widget in Konfabulator no longer shows my WAN address. Otherwise no problems on my 733 Quicksilver, and still buying a 15" Alum. PB.
Tourretts syndrome *chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot PIE* got you down?
Try rebooting a couple of times -- I started getting errors on boot that the 10.2.6 driver was "incompatible" with 10.2.8, and so was contributing to a security risk. Plus, the firewall doesn't seem to be working -- some people have reported weird glitches with it, and I can't seem to get an inbound connection on e.g. my web server. So the driver isn't quite working, and I'm a little nervous that the system is going to be unstable with a mismatched system driver in place. The driver replacement workaround does not seem to be the right long term fix here, even if it gets things up & running again in the short term.
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
Any wise Mac user who has seen the crippling tendencies of at least two prior OS X updates knows better than to crow about them, let alone apply them on the same day they're released. Except in the mind of fanboys, the age of the 100% trustworthy Software Update has yet to arrive.
It's pretty easy to avoid getting burned. Ask yourself: is my Mac working? Do I need this update today? Have I waited a few days to see what happened to the early adopters and, er, the glee club? ;-)
I wonder if they rushed this one out under pressure to plug the OpenSSH security hole? If so, I guess...well...they succeeded then, didn't they? :-)
I have installed AirPort cards in several TiBooks. And I have never had it take longer than 10 minutes to do so, and with absolutely none of the difficulties you purport to have encountered. And maybe if you had bothered to do even a little research on the procedure, you could have saved some time by learning that you needed to deal with the antenna lead first. or even the very basic fact that the card is meant to go internally (wasn't the $20 install fee clue enough?), leaving the PC slot free. But why should a "Computer Guy" need to do that? A more professional approach would have been to actually KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE DOING BEFORE YOU EVEN START THE JOB. Five hours is so far beyond incompetent that it makes my head spin.
If this was (and it sure sounds like it) your first TiBook experience, I'd like to point out that you're saying some pretty strong things, based on an n=1. Doesn't say much for your objectivity, for it would appear that your mind was made up long ago, and you've chosen to immediately rant and vent, and paint the world in broad strokes, believing that it supports your position.
And it's a bit of a non sequitur to link your poor job of dealing with the TiBook with a problem in the 10.2.8 upgrade. Once again, it looks like you need to justify your emotional biases however you can, and willfully disregard all the positive data reported about Apple's history of delivering solid software and updates on a pretty regular schedule.
If you care (and I see no reason to believe you will), I have witnessed many more QA problems with Dells. The IT folks across the hall from me at work spend joyous hour upon hour dealing with them, noting an especially high occurrence of "crib deaths."
And by the way, here are all the apostrophes you seem to have mislaid: '' ' ' '' (And a few extras for good luck.) We'll leave it as an exercise for the class to find the multitude of grammatical, spelling and logical errors in your diatribe.
P.S. And congratulations on curing your friend of her addiction; you're the quintessential "Computer Guy," all right.
P.P.S. In summary: 1) grow up; 2) learn to write.
Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice.
Quicksilver 733: OK
iBook 800: OK
Graphite 400 AGP: OK
The only anomaly I saw on two of them was some of the documents on my desktop had the wrong icons after the post-install reboot. They went back to normal after another reboot.
Needless to say, when the revised update surfaces I won't rush to install it on any machines at my clients. The three machines that I did today were non-critical.
~Philly
10.2.8.1? My OS update and my IP address. Woo! 8')
Moderating to further my personal world domination agenda... and to get chicks.
DO NOT INSTALL IF YOU HAVE A REVOLUTION 7.1 SOUND CARD INSTALLED! The update disables the driver, because the .kext driver specifies a Darwin version below that of OS 10.2.8
I wonder what they'll call the 10.2.8 update when they re-release it? 10.2.8.1? This brings them awfully close to 10.3, and they usually roll some fixes in to the old OS when they release a new one.
Tsarkon you suck.
you swear like a preacher - repetitive drivel interspersed with words you scoured from a thesaurus.
come on you really need to up the quality of your work.
fucking amature.
What I want to know is, why did Apple bundle the security updates with everything else? The only thing I want from 10.2.8 is the patch for the OpenSSH bug. Even M$ provides security updates separately from their Service Packs and assorted malware.
Ha ha, one of the better trolls I've ever seen. rofl.
"If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer
After the update, my display resoultion was reset to 640x480, Thousands of colors. Also, certan icons refuse to display properly on my desktop. (Both were problems listed on macfixit.com) Dual G4/500 MHz in case you care...
I work with the developers of OSXvnc and we've received a report that it isn't working under 10.2.8. I now suspect that it's the rumored network problems at work. Heck, it works under Panther. I couldn't figure out this morning why a few minutes after I installed the upgrade via software update, my coworker's machine didn't find it. We went out of our way to download it from the Apple web site in the hopes that it would include a fix to a Safari bug that keeps crashing it several times a day (objc: message _blinkCaret sent to freed object).
out of the 4 PCs and 3 macs, I only see one machine in my servers window... I can't connect to them using the ZeroConf (rendevouz) address (blah.local), or the IP, but the machines that are set up to respond to external ports are working fine when I use the external domain name, although, I'm getting a bottleneck with the 10base/t router. Grrrrrr....
...spike
Ewwwwww, coconut...
Could it be that Apple pulled the 10.2.8
update to take care of the newly discovered
vulnerabilities in OpenSSH 3.7.1.p1 ?
The new OpenSSH 3.7.1.p2 was released earlier
today. When Apple pulled the plug on 10.2.8,
I got a broken 1/3 of the update (sorry snail
slow dialup connection).
nothing wrong. Updated this a.m. and I am still sitting here working away some 12 hours later. My ass is falling asleep but i don't think its related to the update..
My karma is getting better everyday.
Yes, I warned Steve Jobs that hiring the young man, Murphy Law as the new head of quality assurance was a bad idea but of course he assured me that Murphy was an optimist ;-)
Damn you Murphy!
"The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen
Install of an airport card is easier than plugging ram in, on *any* computer jack-ass. I throw the bullshit flag. Dell sucks. p.o.s. computers.
...They include in some of those "USB device compatibility" issues the ability to see my Zip 650 USB CDRW on my iBook? (they supposedly work fine on G4 boxen) That would be nice. I've got to save up to be poor so even adding a reasonably priced firewire lacie is out of the question for awhile.
;-) BTW, it's not an 10.2.8 problem, I was just hoping the update would have made it work. Supposedly it used to work on 10.1.x
It kinda works with patchburn but that's even more annoying than it not working at all. Messing with that kinda reminds me of weekends lost to bleeding edge Linux desktop goodies. Multi-session burns borks the whole box to forceable shutdowns At least I can burn CDs from iTunes store DLs. I must say though, it still beats the hell outa my Linux desktop buffoonery
Oh, fixing ssh would be good too. I go all over hells half acre in Terminal land an X11 with this thing...
I'm with you 99%.
Yes, they pulled System 7.5.4 after some problems were discovered with the updater. It barely made it into the market, though.
I believe they also pulled one of the 10.1.x updates, but I can't remember which.
I'm quite happy with 10.2.8. It finally fixed my USB!
If you have the machine set to auto-login, next time wait two minutes and watch the clock. If it doesn't change, then at the very least your display server is toast.
Well, or the clock program is dead. But that seems unlikely.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
well i guess i was lucky enough to download all 40816490 bytes of the MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg at ~2.2k per second just to find out it doesnt work for tom and sally imac user
do i dare hope for darwin 6.9?
bow chicka chicka bow wow
No, plugging ram in on a TiBook involves unlocking and lifting the keyboard and plugging ram in
To put an Airport card in one requires unscrewing the case, opening it, and sliding the card into an internal slot, then putting the thing back together. That's harder than plugging RAM in.
1. Now pay your friend for the damage you have done to her computer by unecessarilly filing, snipping and apparently bending bits of her computer.
2. Refrain from calling yourself the "Computer Guy" until you are at least moderately clueful
Quite quite ironic. After everyone (me included) posted how great it is to snag a Mac update the minute it comes out and how Windows updates usually go for days or weeks until they are installed for fear of breaking something that isn't broken. Guess we should all keep our mouths shut and stop jinxing ourselves. Damnit! (luckily mine seems to be fine on a 500 MHz TiBook *knock on wood*)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
If you have any programs that modify the default ipfw settings, your control panel will say another firewall is running. Stuff like PC emulators that have a virtual ethernet driver will modify the firewall settings.
Wow, I think you really need to take a closer look at a TiBook and stop talking out of your ass. look at a picture of one, and see the airport slot on the left side of the machine. see the pretty slot? plug the pretty card in it.
Obviously you have never even seen a TiBook and are just remembering a drug induced halucination. Installing an airpot card in a TiBook should take about 15 minutes, most of that time spent removing/reinstalling the screws that hold on the case bottom. If you removed the drives etc. then you are an idiot and that certainly isn't Apple's fault (unless you are Steve's bastard love child or something). What your friend needs to get rid of is you, not her Mac.
Yes, that should have been airport, not airpot. The pot was one of the things the troll must have been smoking.
Not to excuse an upgrade that does damage (should SW vendors have to have a hipocratic oath akin to Doctors' - "first do no harm")
My 15" 400Mhz 1st generation Bowerbook G4 (now nearly 3 years old) is doing just fine with 10.2.8.
This will serve as a wakeup to me to be sure to give Panther a week or so before I plunk down the cash and roll the dice with system stability.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Thank you so much. You've just saved both a dual 1 Ghz G4 Powermac and a large window from destructive interference.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I have a Powerbook 12" Superdrive, and have had no problems...
Like anyone can even know that
For what it's worth: I have a nearly identical setup (with an old 500MHz G3 laptop instead of a G4) and experienced exactly the same thing on my dual-G4. I had logged in and actually used the machine after the update, but it seemed dead the next morning. Haven't had a problem since, after repairing permissions, and I experienced no other problems on either machine at all.
Go ahead and hack into my box too then!
192.168.9.27
schmuck -- 192.168. and 10. are reserved for private intranets and are simply not routed over the Internet.
You don't even need to remove the case to do it. 2 clips and the keyboard comes out and there is the slot.
My Blue & White PowerMac G3 has been acting up since upgrading from 10.2.6 to 10.2.8. There are times when the system will pause and not accept any input -- but the mouse pointer still moves around the screen.
mbbac
I have 2 machines upgraded, an 800Mhz G4 flat panel iMac, and a 500Mhz G3 iMac DVSE. Both running 10.2.8 just fine, none of the problems I have seen reported have affected me. YMM(will?)V
This sounds to me like Apple did a small mod to something in the underlying system and...
Yeah, it's called the Mach microkernel. Hosed or not hosed, go look at the date on the microkernel and let me know what you think Apple fucked up. Between the mk's date and kernel extensions breaking all over the place, what do you think happened? Seriously, I want someone else's opinion. There's the obvious ethernet extension that is borked, and the not so obvious like my third-party wireless drivers.
This update made my PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" a doorstop -- gray screen of doom at startup, and it will finally boot after over an hour of waiting. And then guess what? After that insanely long wait, I get an error telling me system problems are preventing me from logging in. WTF? So I reboot in verbose mode, and the network is constantly stalling while my IOxperts 802.11b driver is complaining that it can't find the network -- all while I get at least 500+ messages sprinkled in there telling me how it's waiting for Application Services to start. So it comes up after over an hour, and then won't let me log in. Great.
After trying safe mode and single user mode to no avail, I boot from an OS 9 CD (Diskwarrior) to let me poke around and observe the destruction. The most obvious change is that Apple swapped the microkernel out during this upgrade. Go look for yourself.
Even superheroes once were losers
As you might have noticed, 10.2.8 killed your M-Audio Revolution. They posted an updated driver last night, and on my system at least, the card works again.
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If you want to know -
G4 800 dual
1.5 GB RAM
GeForce 3 / ATI Radeon
OS X 10.2.8
M-Audio Revolution 7.1
Get the update here...
http://www.midiman.net/support/driversea
jaz
Mac OS X 10.3 will never be released because first 10.2.8 has to be (re)released, then 10.2.9, then 10.2.9.5, then 10.2.9.5.5, then....
Yay, tsarkon is back!!! More mindless drivel for slashdot.
didn't one of the iTunes updates wipe out most of the contents of the harddrive?
My other sig is extremely clever...
I updated my eMac to 10.2.8 as soon as the update became available. Everything still works. As usual.
The ethernet drivers work, the system doesn't suffer any kernel panics, the computer doesn't boot slower...
I'm pretty sure 10.1.2 got pulled and turned into 10.1.2.1 right damn quick.
Clear, Dark Skies
When launching a file previously associated with a classic application, it doesn't run: doesn't even boot classic. When I launched classic from the System Preferences, it required an update, but still didn't recognize my file association.
I had to manually associate the file type with the classic app in the end.
Otherwise, no problems so far...
Still prefer these sorts of problems over the hell of updates and hotfixes for my Windows servers.
I missed out on the update and still want to update my mac and see what happens... does anyone have a mirror to a standalone installer???
Thanks!
People seemed to be biting the "17 meg file" troll less and less, and making more and more jokes about it lately. I guess we've got our replacement now.
You stupid bitch. It is spelled "amateur."
Oh, you're on a Mac, no spellchecker that works. I'm sure you can spell Steve Job's Anus though. You're used to licking that.
very bitter god damn it. i heard steve jobs is as loose as the goatse.cx guy
lame, instead of taking some construcive criticism, you retort with a pitiful attack on my spelling. Your amature status becomes more evident when you don't have time to go over your work - clearly the amount of energy you put into your trolls needs to be refined. The price to performance ratio is too high.
FYI, this was composed in Internet Explorer. running on Windows 98. now lets see what kind of stupid insult you have about that.
I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD
Same here. My DP 1.25Ghz MDD seems to be doing just fine with 10.2.8. If you look at the Apple support forums there have been some recent posts about the update causing battery problems in some laptops.
Look at who is lame here - I don't see your brand identity anywhere...
Swearing is good. You told me not to swear. How about this. Fuck You.
Use or the word lame against me indicated lack of sex. Sexually frustrated people, such as yourself, use the word lame all the time because of self referential issues with a limp penis.
I never use a Thesaurus. Just because you have limited capacity, doesn't mean others have the same liimited vocabulary.
This was composed on elinks 0.3. Over OpenSSH 3.7.1p2. On Lin-sux. (FreeBSD or DIE). Now, so fucking what? So fucking what. I'd rather you use Win98 and scrotum IE than OS X and Fag Safari crash.
You are irrelavent and serve one purpose. To pave a venue by which I can can continue to espouse. You motherfucker. Eructating bullshit such as the cruft you have posted before Is Not Becoming. I am become Shiva.
I know hearing of feces, shitting in your pants, and other such things makes you excited, so I thought I would post this:
I was sitting there pondering if I should fart. My ass was percolating something fierce. It was a hard, coprolitc shit earlier, hard and tearing at the rectal walls. I thought I cleared my colon like a dog on Ex-Lax. I was thinking, the percolating bubbling brown latex paint like mixture with bergs of snickers - was it all out?
I ripped a few sets of ass without event. The farts came off as a sour rhubarb and garbage smell; quite relieving. Bunting a few always feels good.
Then the mother of all farts came. This was promising to end my ass cheek shifting (to prevent impregnation of the rancid gas into the polyurethane cushion) and squirming to expulse the swamp gas already trapped air in my seat cushion.
I ripped ass, and instead, I got a brownie batter mud pie splashing out the crack in my ass; a tidal wave of feculent slime. Oh fuck; it stinks so bad! Now, as I sit here I am stuffing Kleenex in my ass through my fly and the barn door on my underwear. If I can get enough of those in there I might have a chance to congeal this liquidy mess into a brown potato of feces and Kleenex.
Fuck! I just ran out of Kleenex and poop is on my fingers and now as I'm typing smearing on the keyboard. Fuck. This shit smells so bad. I just took my nice champion socks off and put them in there in hopes of arresting further doo doo river flow.
Welp. After about 8-10 minutes and two rolls of TP I'm back. I grabbed a can of Lysol and some anti bacterial soap and am spraying off my area and replacing the chair. I lost my keyboard in action; listed as KIA, by action of the South Colon Regular Army.
Oh fuck, that was a percolating brown festering quagmire of swampy, rhubarby smelly caramelized shit to remember.
It's pretty clear; it's all networking ( and slow networking at that ), which explains why some people with the described machines have no problems. All of the other problems reported are likely of the typical well-what-did-you-do-to-your-machine variety, not a direct result of the update.
sexually frustrated? I'm not the one putting all the energy into creating second rate trolls. If you're having a hard time getting some, perhaps you should take up patroling your local glory hole - I'm sure even your chode would be welcome.
I wasn't criticizing the fact that you swear - I was criticizing the fact the you don't swear well - in that regard you truly are amateur.
hugs.
From the looks of this discourse, you are aren't even a troll. Mindless ass-whelp more like it. Energy? You think that, despite being hilarious to non-dullards, this takes up a lot of cycles. You sure think too much of yourself. You maybe ate a few spare cycles today. I find watching buttfucks like yourself try and tear down TSARKON cathartic.
Now, as far as swearing goes. The fact it got your attention means it did exactly what it was supposed to do. It's supposed to be over the top and appear poorly constructed. I'm laughing at my own creations. I'm laughing now. HAHAHAHAHAHA. FUCKERHEAD! The PAX ROMANA of computing is over, in part due to SlashFUCK and pissers like you. You fucktard fuckerface. I feel the urge to defecate when I read fucktripe like this. Your cheap shylock shyster computer you bought ouf a bargain bin with cum stains and cigarette ash. You are an Infantile penis lips. You get no poonani, mofo. Your cuncasket fuck mouth continues to eructate bullshit. You have a giant bleeding brain hematoma you fucking cuncasket. You are a weird, cuntcaskety mediocritomaton miasma of festering caramelized dog shit mixed with grey matter in that quagmire cesspool you have going in that vacuous cavern that is your skull. Forged when the world was young, when man and bird and beast were one, and death was but a dream, there is You, the fuckety fuckstick, who makes motherfucking shit.
c'mon man - that was just far too laboured, you're trying too hard. and the way you broke into rhyme near the end?
you mince around in rainbow T-shirts much?
Suck on deeze nuts, ho.
Nothing you said so far even pretend to be creative or funny.
Your ridiculous attacks and attempts at assasination are falling to the floor, swatted down with the greatest of ease. You are a sad, sad panda.
Now what you just heard now was a little kicking
But let me tell you this while the clock is still ticking
This is the warning, know as the caution
Do not attempt to diss
or you'll SOFTEN
Just like a pillow, or better yet a mattress
You can dis this style or attack this
Way of FUCKING YOU IN THE ASS.
This shit just flows like a river
or better yet a stream
and you fucking gay ass aint on the winning team
so dont ever in your life even think about an argument
cause youll get walked on like CARPET
Ill pick you up
dust you off
But my fucking BOOT on your HEAD
you got me all wrong tsarkon, you should be thanking me for trying to help you improve your work, I have no intention to assasinate(sic) you.
In this day, where quality is so lacking in almost everything, I have gone out of my way to do you a favour, without honest criticism how can you ever hope to improve - your comments in their current form would likely appeal to the 9-13 year old range - those that are still amused by naughty words, admittedly, alot of the older cliche living with their parents types, would still get off on that type of thing, but that audience isn't really something you should be proud of entertaining.
I realise that you likely have trouble thanking people, hell you may not even truly comprehend how much benefit I am to you, but fear not, you need not voice your appreciation - I'll take it as a given.
I've got it on my new 15" Powerbook. Being an IT person I should really know better, but usually when an Apple update comes out, I just install it regardless of what the consequences might be. I should probably stop doing that huh...
I find that trolls, and my trolling to be of considerably higher quality than most "insightful" and "informative" posters. I am much better than the editors too. Well, anyone is. They are fools.
I also trounce upon fat sexless live at home unemployed zit thinkGeek pricks regularly.
You started your attempt at "making me a better troll" by saying I suck. I am versatile, funny, and can be serious. My log here on slashdot is glorious and long, and I have no trouble stirring up the shit. I have posts that have even been up-moderated, not that I need Slash-shit aprecation, because of being hilarious and or dead right.
Toilet humor, potty mouthing and the like are a good place to start in my estimation. I love seeing "superior" armchair assholes write you off for coming off as crass or chidlish, but they themselves are completely fucking wrong about something.
If you are spreading the word of Tsarkon, then I thank you. Why dont you dig for me and find me samples of my writing, which are chronicled here, and show me the pieces you like best.
I'm always willing to modify my trolling to be more agravating and appealing, and as always, I amd right. So if you were to show me something out of the Tsarkon archives that is closest to perfection, I might be willing to take that slip out of the suggestion box.
For we are held prisoner here by the Editor fuckers. They try this YRO bullshit but engage in fucking censorship. Hypocrisy runs high.
My audience is much broader than teenage or live in basement losers, I can assure you that.
I hate the hypocritical sellout loser editors most.
http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/apple/Mac_O S_X/MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg
That's quite alright easter, considering your use of the word 'considering' I've inferred your programs suck.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Apart from the fact that your remark is a bit on the anal side, you're right. the sig is indeed sloppy. I am pretty anal and precise myself - as far as my translations are concerned, so I'll bow my head and try to take the hint with grace.
Actually, I have a splitting head-ache right now, so forget about the bowing and the grace part...
I think, therefore I am...I think.
What? A Dell like the Inspiron D500? Which has not only an internal, dedicated, 802.11a/b/g card slot, but also an internal, dedicated, Bluetooth slot? Which, just like the PowerBook G4, you have to open up the system to access?
Just because you're too lazy and/or stupid to read the documentation before tearing a system apart is no excuse for bitching about having to file down components and being unable to put the system back together (note: that previous thing might have something to do with the latter).
Not only are the steps for installing an 802.11 card covered in the documentation provided with the laptop, it's also available online in PDF form. All you needed to do was park your butt in front of a internet connection for a few minutes to discover the facts you needed in order to do the job right.
Somehow you strike me as the hick who works on cars. For some reason his car always breaks down and he's always replacing major components. Simple things like torque wrenches (at $20-$40 they're "expensive") or repair manuals (ditto) are not found anywhere near your toolbox, yet you spend hundreds of dollars each year due to stripping bolts and jamming things together in a way that they weren't intended.
If your friend spent $75+ on a 802.11 card and then balked on a $20 install, maybe this is your clue that they're taking advantage of you. Charge by the hour, and your 5 incompetant hours will teach them a lesson - at the very least it'll remind them to hire competant people the next time.
I did an 802.11 install inside of 15 minutes. However, I don't have an MSCE - perhaps that's your problem right there.
"I see dumb people. They're all around me. They don't even know they're dumb."
Googled this up in 5 minutes.
7 .2 0030922.PkN45/2Z/MacOSXUpdateCombo10.2.8.dmg
http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/061-067
No indication of that in the articles (did you read them?) -- an Ethernet driver bug and boot problems on some models of Mac would be reason enough.
Beside, why pull the update? Smarter to release a separate (much-smaller) openssh patch afterwards rather than hold back the entire, ~40 Mb 10.2.8 package.
As a fellow dialer-up I feel your pain at the ever-larger updates. Fortunately, I have bandwidth at work and can bring home the standalone packages on a ZIP disk from an office Mac.
je ne suis pas un fou
Yes, this has happened again. Back in the days of 10.2.6, I used to own an iBook, where upgrading from 10.2.5 to 10.2.6 using the Mac OS X 10.2.6 Combo Update reduced my battery's (reported) life from 4:35 to 2:05 hours. At that time, I didn't know why it happened.
Now I changed my iBook to a PowerBook G4, and upgraded 10.2.7 to 10.2.8, and the same thing has happened.
I did have one hiccup though -- the screen saver kicked in, causing the system to hang during optimisation where it could not start the selected Screen Effect to run as the screen saver. I was forced to restart the machine during a time an upgrade was taking place. But I don't think that this would have contributed to the problem since a replacement power management driver got written to the disk anyway, and the system would have taken that into account on the next startup.
So, I installed the upgrade again, in the hopes that the installer would just overwrite the relevant files. This time, the upgrade succeeded (because I disabled sleep and the screen saver).
LESSON 1: disable all system extensions that would disrupt the operation of the installer.
I learned from the iBook ordeal that the fault occurred during installation time, and that users who installed their systems on a full battery did not experience any unexpected changes to their battery life or capacity reporting, and I myself concluded that this would have to have been the case, given my experiences and the overwhelming evidence provided by the discussion group for iBook users.
LESSON 2: only apply a system update when the battery is fully charged.
I changed by battery under warranty to solve the problem... and it looks like I'll be doing it again unless a software solution to this problem can be found. A software issue caused this mess... surely a software fix can be formulated to deal with it.
My next step is to charge the battery to 100%, and re-run the update installer again to see if this "fixes" the battery calibration issues. I'll get back to this discussion and tell you the outcome.
For anyone who thinks I'm joking... here's evidence of the aftermath! I didn't mean to do it--I installed it without checking my battery charge at the time--but it's done, and is proof to me that the problem will be with us until an effort is made to find and fix the bugs in the system kernel code that deals with the maintenance of the battery, especially at module initialisation.
No it is pretty hard for find a beige computer these days. Try finding a beige computer at your local Best Buy, you won't. Most PCs are black and grey, sonys are blue-ish purple-ish, and hp are something other than beige too.
Yep. I had some "UI modification utilities" running. My Dock went to Jeebus.
For those of you complaining about the Dock, try not having one for a day.
Fortunately I back up better than Sir-Mix-A-Lot's dancers.
- learn to swim.
Okay, I hav just come home from military and read in the mac forums that osx have come in version 10.2.8. Well, I am running v.10.2.6 on my powerbook 667mhz, and software update tells me that my software is up to date. I can't find any standalone updates for 10.2.7. Does this mean that that version also have been pulled?
Well, agreed 10.2.8 affected a small population, but my gripe is more with APPLECARE, or more appropriately, APPLEDOESNTCARE.
;-) with the kext replacement hack, so that's up and running (whew!)
Spent $500 on it with initial purchase of my PB17, and just a dreadful experience with their tech folks. It's like they've memorized the "Redmond Mantra" of "Reboot, Reinstall" but modified it as "Archive Install".
That was also the response to the 10.2.8 fiasco.
That's their answer to every problem I've had since June (3 separate incidents).
No troubleshooting, no actual "thinking" (differently or not...) -- just plain lazy if you ask me. "Gee, I don't know..." is the most technical thing I've ever heard them say.
I ask, if they don't know, who does?!? They're the VENDOR!
Fixed the 10.2.8 etherNOT
2nd most recent issue I ended up fixing ON MY OWN with a parallel install on FW drive, then a little kinkiness with a command-line "bless" and voila! problem fixed.
$500 is a bit steep when all I assume I'll ever get is hardware replacement.
"Archive Install" (qv. "lose a week of my time reinstalling apps and recovering data from backups") is NOT tech support.
And they want to sell me Xserves? I get this GARBAGE from them with a PB, you think I'm going to trust them with my SERVERS???
When pigs fly...
*grumble*