"people don't have to use it. They can tell Marco and Linus to fuck off for stranding them after they told their execs that Linux was better and more stable - which might be the case for the server uptime, but perhaps not for the development model."
Stranding them? You mean like providing both a kernel for new features (2.6) and a kernel thats more reliable(2.4)?
"And the companies that make money off Linux, especially the ones like Red Hat who have yet to use any sort of 2.6 for anything, who EMPLOY people who make major contributions, don't have to continue to contribute the time of their employees."
Then a redhat developer like Alan Cox should apply the patches he wants and maintain his own kernel fork..oh wait.
"I think a more general question about how Linux is going to topple Microsoft on the desktop is also warrented. The answer has to be innovation, Linux has been playing "catch-up" for too long. "
We havn't been playing catch-up for a long time now, its really the opposite. I find windows is just now becoming technically equal/usable (now refers to win2k3). Sure, you still have to install dozens of third party applications and spend a few days configuring everything(as with linux), but its possible now. What linux offers is what its offered since the 0.1 kernel days -- Freedom. I don't have to worry about linus taking his ball and going home (see Microsoft FATfs patents, and all of their previous behavior like this.) I don't have to pay money per user on a single machine(crazy), you just get a nice system and don't have to worry about anything else.
You can do that with PAM and save a lot of time on a single user(or I should say single person, root+you) system. If someone got all the way to/dev/console to do a local login, then they're close enough to my harddrive that little things like logging in don't really matter.
So slashdot sends a few houndred thousand hits their way, killing their bandwidth. To compensate, they pull the page down and start charging for access. Slashdot then steals their content and circumvents it. (in addition to causing slashdot to need a lot more disk space and bandwidth)
Hopefully by the time we have robots doing everything we'll be beyond the greedy capitalist system. Watch some startrek episodes sometime, specificly next generation. Everything the federation does for eachother is for the better of mankind. Everything between other species is using the barder system (as it should be).
Sure its just a tv show, but theres no reason we couldnt use the same system. The only thing standing in the way of that is personal greed, but eventually humankind might evolve past that.
Its a meaningless poll regardless, as are most. Its not like someones going to wake up one day and have their life turn around because a bunch of brits say sonic > *, its just a popular oppinion poll. If I think virtual valery is the best game ever, a bunch of people saying Defender Of The Crown is better won't make me change my mind. (For the record, DoC rocks. I heard they're making a new version.)
In fairness, thats a great pad. I know EXACTLY which one you're talking about. I had two, my friend had two. Fun switching it to full auto in street fighter 2 turbo as blanka to do the electricity move, and see how long you can do it before your friend realises you're not touching the controller.
"Looking for the key, struggling with the lock, etc. gives you time to think that you maybe don't want to put a bullet in the neighbor's dog that's been barking for the last 6 hours..."
It also gives a murderer time to stab you in the back. http://www.libertyartworx.com/images/gun_lo ck_safe ty_700.jpg There was an even better (less comic-like) one of a man in a skimask grabing a woman with a knife in his hand, but I can't seem to find it now.
Not sure if release dates count, but Team Fortress 2 coming out in second quarter 1998 was a pretty big one. (for the record, it's still not out, but anyone that saw the halflife2 source leak knows TF2 is being worked on. not that I would know)
High bandwidth yes, high latency yes. Online gaming is usually 80ms or so, 120 becomes unplayable. less than 50 and you're pretty good, but thats hard to do, and all it takes is one opponent with 250ping to really throw your game (they shoot you and you jump back 250ms due to lag compensation).
On lan, theres a lot less general BS from stuff like that, and you have your friends right there to yell at.
Bring our own water in decent quantaties and we can stay for a long enough time, especially when recycling it (thats non-gross speak for convering urine back into water).
"But even if they do - it hes to be 10 times better than MS Crap to beat their MS Marketing. "
But thats becoming increasingly hard. Stuff like Windows 2003 really DoesNotSuck(tm), so beating it becomes a matter of price, not just features like it used to be. The only thing we'll always have is the freedom -- The ability to have total control over your enviroment.
"Now look at Counter-Strike. It's the most popular multiplayer online game ever probably. They hardly ever do what players want. They only make changes in the interest of game design. The AWM is still there. The game is still hard. Heck, they make changes to piss players off. Like when they changed the p90 way back in the beta 7 days. "
They did listen in other areas, though. For example everyone has been whining about how useless autosnipers are, then in the latest update they made them godly(pretty much no recoil if you're standing still, ~65+ dmg per shot to the chest.) They also listened to the awp whiners and made legshots not lethal. I'm glad they don't listen to everyone though, as I agree with what you said about the forums. Head over to steampowered.com/forums and check out the Suggestions & Ideas board. It's a total joke, People suggest things that would either totally kill gameplay or would be impossible to implement. Every few weeks someone suggests making it so you can hold 4 grenades at once instead of just 1-- None of them realise that in a clan match, thats 5 players * 4 grenades = easily stop a rush. Currently all 5 have to nade in at once to be just as effective, but with 4 grenades each all it would take is two people. People fail to see the game outside of what they play it as, where as the developers get to see it less biased. Of course they're stuck seeing their original vision rather than what the game has become, but its better than a bunch of people that would include fy_iceworld if they had the chance.
"You still have the information to hand, and can use it in any manner you want." No, you cant actually, as it becomes their data. Publish it, they sue you for copyright infringement.
"The idea that greater game length == a better game is so wrong. I mean, a game of chess takes, what a few hours? Clearly it's a bad game. They should have included multiple story-missions and at least two or three other multiplayer modes."
Its all about replay value. If you can only play a game once before it gets boring then of course you want it to be long. I can beat quake1 in about 45minutes, but I can play it again and again and its still fun(even sans mods). Compare to a game like HalfLife:BlueShift, which I beat in, oh, 4hours? Never touched it again after that.
"With random encounters, if you want to put the time in, you can overpower the boss or at least make things easier on yourself by simply wandering around to find more random monsters. Without it, you're stuck hoping you found every monster in an area to get to the highest level possible before getting there."
Thats why I liked the pokemon method (It was actually a good game before the mediawhoredom) -- Monsters were staticly placed in dungeons, but you couldn't see them if it was too dark (unless you had a pokemon with the Flash skill). There was also areas of 'high grass' that had random encounters in them that you could run around in leveling up.
The only thing I run at -10 is games, but I have tried those at 0 also. From what I can tell the problem is the app is running with a ~36 priority (as shown by 'top', among other apps) which is much greater than it should be, but I've yet to find a way to correct it.
Preemption is one of those things thats great under ideal circumstances, but in something less it hurts more than it helps. Preemption, for anyone that doesnt know, allows one task to jump to the top of the runqueue whenever it needs to run anything if it has a higher priority than everything else. This works great until you run something like SoulSeek or Bittorrent(both wxwindows python apps..) which end up with a much higher priority than they deserve. This then preempts all of your other tasks making your system highly unresponsive.
Rooting is simple -- Go for which ever teams are from your country. I'm hoping Team3D takes CPL winter this year and really shuts up everyone that thought they went downhill because of losing CAL finals against TSG 13-4.
Gaming is much more active than something like baseball from the spectating perspective -- In baseball someone throws a ball, someone else hits it, they run around a bit, repeat. In CounterStrike, You have a sniper watching through the middle entrance trying to see any counterterrorists running to defend bombsite b, then telling his team which side to attack based on that, then you have the perfectly layed out teamwork involving very intense situations (last round of overtime, you're the only one alive vs 3 enemies and you only have a pistol, lose this round and you're out of the running) CS and Chess also both have something going for it -- They're both games of strategy rather than steroids. No matter how good your twitch muscle is, if the other team can predict your every move and force you to make mistakes then you have no chance.
As for whoever said gamign doesnt take years to master -- Watch any playoff match. If you ever ended up playing against one of them, You'd get shot through every wall you try to run by, if you were lucky enough to make it past a corner you'd instantly have a bullet in your head. Even of all of the pros theres a small amount that have a chance at winning, theres a good discussion going on in the forums at GotFrag? about that right now.
Watching is much more enjoyable to from a technical standpoint -- Watching on TV is purely passive, watching a live match on HLTV lets you be the cameraman, watching whatever part you want, with the ability to go into an overview mode or watch first person and see exactly what someone else sees. Watching a pre-recorded match gives you all of that AND the ability to pause/rewind/fast forward (who needs TiVo?). You can also learn from watching. Traditional sports have all been played so long it is very rare you'll see anything new, but with e-sports there is constantly a new change or two to throw things up, so now we have new crazes like 'the money game' (purposely losing a round after winning for X rounds in a row so that they stop getting so much money on each loss, but only after taking out 4 of their 5 teammates then have all of your team hide so that they have to buy a new gun and you dont.). Any team can take this new knowledge and apply it to their lower end matches (with varying degrees of success), but with most sports theres nothing to do but bet on a team and drink a lot of beer.
"like forcing every developer to submit a revokation certificate for safekeeping. " Safekeeping where? If this location is compromised, Lots of non-fun things would happen.
Slashdot Mirror
"people don't have to use it. They can tell Marco and Linus to fuck off for stranding them after they told their execs that Linux was better and more stable - which might be the case for the server uptime, but perhaps not for the development model."
Stranding them? You mean like providing both a kernel for new features (2.6) and a kernel thats more reliable(2.4)?
"And the companies that make money off Linux, especially the ones like Red Hat who have yet to use any sort of 2.6 for anything, who EMPLOY people who make major contributions, don't have to continue to contribute the time of their employees."
Then a redhat developer like Alan Cox should apply the patches he wants and maintain his own kernel fork..oh wait.
"I think a more general question about how Linux is going to topple Microsoft on the desktop is also warrented. The answer has to be innovation, Linux has been playing "catch-up" for too long. "
We havn't been playing catch-up for a long time now, its really the opposite. I find windows is just now becoming technically equal/usable (now refers to win2k3). Sure, you still have to install dozens of third party applications and spend a few days configuring everything(as with linux), but its possible now. What linux offers is what its offered since the 0.1 kernel days -- Freedom.
I don't have to worry about linus taking his ball and going home (see Microsoft FATfs patents, and all of their previous behavior like this.) I don't have to pay money per user on a single machine(crazy), you just get a nice system and don't have to worry about anything else.
You can do that with PAM and save a lot of time on a single user(or I should say single person, root+you) system. If someone got all the way to /dev/console to do a local login, then they're close enough to my harddrive that little things like logging in don't really matter.
So slashdot sends a few houndred thousand hits their way, killing their bandwidth. To compensate, they pull the page down and start charging for access. Slashdot then steals their content and circumvents it. (in addition to causing slashdot to need a lot more disk space and bandwidth)
Hopefully by the time we have robots doing everything we'll be beyond the greedy capitalist system. Watch some startrek episodes sometime, specificly next generation. Everything the federation does for eachother is for the better of mankind. Everything between other species is using the barder system (as it should be).
Sure its just a tv show, but theres no reason we couldnt use the same system. The only thing standing in the way of that is personal greed, but eventually humankind might evolve past that.
Lets just hope they don't make robots that buy the products.
Its a meaningless poll regardless, as are most. Its not like someones going to wake up one day and have their life turn around because a bunch of brits say sonic > *, its just a popular oppinion poll. If I think virtual valery is the best game ever, a bunch of people saying Defender Of The Crown is better won't make me change my mind. (For the record, DoC rocks. I heard they're making a new version.)
Mine's from 1984, I'm from 1987. I have a feeling this keyboards going to outlive me.
In fairness, thats a great pad. I know EXACTLY which one you're talking about. I had two, my friend had two. Fun switching it to full auto in street fighter 2 turbo as blanka to do the electricity move, and see how long you can do it before your friend realises you're not touching the controller.
because its funny.
"Looking for the key, struggling with the lock, etc. gives you time to think that you maybe don't want to put a bullet in the neighbor's dog that's been barking for the last 6 hours..."
o ck_safe ty_700.jpg
It also gives a murderer time to stab you in the back.
http://www.libertyartworx.com/images/gun_l
There was an even better (less comic-like) one of a man in a skimask grabing a woman with a knife in his hand, but I can't seem to find it now.
Not sure if release dates count, but Team Fortress 2 coming out in second quarter 1998 was a pretty big one. (for the record, it's still not out, but anyone that saw the halflife2 source leak knows TF2 is being worked on. not that I would know)
High bandwidth yes, high latency yes. Online gaming is usually 80ms or so, 120 becomes unplayable. less than 50 and you're pretty good, but thats hard to do, and all it takes is one opponent with 250ping to really throw your game (they shoot you and you jump back 250ms due to lag compensation).
On lan, theres a lot less general BS from stuff like that, and you have your friends right there to yell at.
Bring our own water in decent quantaties and we can stay for a long enough time, especially when recycling it (thats non-gross speak for convering urine back into water).
"But even if they do - it hes to be 10 times better than MS Crap to beat their MS Marketing.
"
But thats becoming increasingly hard. Stuff like Windows 2003 really DoesNotSuck(tm), so beating it becomes a matter of price, not just features like it used to be. The only thing we'll always have is the freedom -- The ability to have total control over your enviroment.
"Now look at Counter-Strike. It's the most popular multiplayer online game ever probably. They hardly ever do what players want. They only make changes in the interest of game design. The AWM is still there. The game is still hard. Heck, they make changes to piss players off. Like when they changed the p90 way back in the beta 7 days.
"
They did listen in other areas, though. For example everyone has been whining about how useless autosnipers are, then in the latest update they made them godly(pretty much no recoil if you're standing still, ~65+ dmg per shot to the chest.)
They also listened to the awp whiners and made legshots not lethal. I'm glad they don't listen to everyone though, as I agree with what you said about the forums. Head over to steampowered.com/forums and check out the Suggestions & Ideas board. It's a total joke, People suggest things that would either totally kill gameplay or would be impossible to implement. Every few weeks someone suggests making it so you can hold 4 grenades at once instead of just 1-- None of them realise that in a clan match, thats 5 players * 4 grenades = easily stop a rush. Currently all 5 have to nade in at once to be just as effective, but with 4 grenades each all it would take is two people. People fail to see the game outside of what they play it as, where as the developers get to see it less biased. Of course they're stuck seeing their original vision rather than what the game has become, but its better than a bunch of people that would include fy_iceworld if they had the chance.
"You still have the information to hand, and can use it in any manner you want."
No, you cant actually, as it becomes their data. Publish it, they sue you for copyright infringement.
"The idea that greater game length == a better game is so wrong. I mean, a game of chess takes, what a few hours? Clearly it's a bad game. They should have included multiple story-missions and at least two or three other multiplayer modes."
Its all about replay value. If you can only play a game once before it gets boring then of course you want it to be long. I can beat quake1 in about 45minutes, but I can play it again and again and its still fun(even sans mods). Compare to a game like HalfLife:BlueShift, which I beat in, oh, 4hours? Never touched it again after that.
This is a Solaris discussion, Every competent Solaris admin has a spare nutsack as a hotswap.
"With random encounters, if you want to put the time in, you can overpower the boss or at least make things easier on yourself by simply wandering around to find more random monsters. Without it, you're stuck hoping you found every monster in an area to get to the highest level possible before getting there."
Thats why I liked the pokemon method (It was actually a good game before the mediawhoredom) -- Monsters were staticly placed in dungeons, but you couldn't see them if it was too dark (unless you had a pokemon with the Flash skill). There was also areas of 'high grass' that had random encounters in them that you could run around in leveling up.
So did pokemon (unless the dungeon was too dark to see), and so did Super Mario Bros 3 on the world map (think entrance to the first castle).
The only thing I run at -10 is games, but I have tried those at 0 also. From what I can tell the problem is the app is running with a ~36 priority (as shown by 'top', among other apps) which is much greater than it should be, but I've yet to find a way to correct it.
Preemption is one of those things thats great under ideal circumstances, but in something less it hurts more than it helps. Preemption, for anyone that doesnt know, allows one task to jump to the top of the runqueue whenever it needs to run anything if it has a higher priority than everything else. This works great until you run something like SoulSeek or Bittorrent(both wxwindows python apps..) which end up with a much higher priority than they deserve. This then preempts all of your other tasks making your system highly unresponsive.
Rooting is simple -- Go for which ever teams are from your country. I'm hoping Team3D takes CPL winter this year and really shuts up everyone that thought they went downhill because of losing CAL finals against TSG 13-4.
Gaming is much more active than something like baseball from the spectating perspective -- In baseball someone throws a ball, someone else hits it, they run around a bit, repeat.
In CounterStrike, You have a sniper watching through the middle entrance trying to see any counterterrorists running to defend bombsite b, then telling his team which side to attack based on that, then you have the perfectly layed out teamwork involving very intense situations (last round of overtime, you're the only one alive vs 3 enemies and you only have a pistol, lose this round and you're out of the running)
CS and Chess also both have something going for it -- They're both games of strategy rather than steroids. No matter how good your twitch muscle is, if the other team can predict your every move and force you to make mistakes then you have no chance.
As for whoever said gamign doesnt take years to master -- Watch any playoff match. If you ever ended up playing against one of them, You'd get shot through every wall you try to run by, if you were lucky enough to make it past a corner you'd instantly have a bullet in your head.
Even of all of the pros theres a small amount that have a chance at winning, theres a good discussion going on in the forums at GotFrag? about that right now.
Watching is much more enjoyable to from a technical standpoint -- Watching on TV is purely passive, watching a live match on HLTV lets you be the cameraman, watching whatever part you want, with the ability to go into an overview mode or watch first person and see exactly what someone else sees. Watching a pre-recorded match gives you all of that AND the ability to pause/rewind/fast forward (who needs TiVo?).
You can also learn from watching. Traditional sports have all been played so long it is very rare you'll see anything new, but with e-sports there is constantly a new change or two to throw things up, so now we have new crazes like 'the money game' (purposely losing a round after winning for X rounds in a row so that they stop getting so much money on each loss, but only after taking out 4 of their 5 teammates then have all of your team hide so that they have to buy a new gun and you dont.). Any team can take this new knowledge and apply it to their lower end matches (with varying degrees of success), but with most sports theres nothing to do but bet on a team and drink a lot of beer.
"like forcing every developer to submit a revokation certificate for safekeeping. "
Safekeeping where? If this location is compromised, Lots of non-fun things would happen.