There is XXXtreme beach volleyball, a worthless volleyball game not unlike DOA's extreme volleyball, but topless. No jiggle, no fun.
And you can play max payne 2 as the female lead character(nameless to not spoil it) if you turn on developer mode and cycle the player skins, but I dont think that counts. (mostly because again, no jiggle.)
The last game I remember that had full nudity and good jiggle was the virtual vallery games. DoA had great jiggle, but no nudity (excluding kasumi nude intro cheat on the dreamcast)/no karma bonus so I can hide in with the ascii penis bird posts at 1.
"I only wish more game developers would follow suit." They would be following IDSofts suit. If it wernt for ID, we'd be getting sued under the DMCA for modding our games. ID revolutionized the modding industry by using the easy to figure out format(cant think of the name offhand) for doom after seeing how many people tried to hack mods into wolf3d. Because of that we could turn a fps monster game into an airplane simulator (AirQuake), RTS (DiD), Or just totaly innovate new gameplay (3wave, fortress, etc).
It's scary to think where the industry would be today without IDSoft's generousity.
Warez kiddies need fast disks to. when you're both reading at writing at a full 15mB/sec spanning several different transfers, each making their own small files.. A slow hd can be the death of a good site.
Really depends on what you do with it. The pleasure of a large disk(that sounds so wrong..) is in not having to delete things when you're done. You can keep everything you ever downloaded and still have space for more, rather than people still suffering with a 5-10gb disk having to delete their mp3s whenever a new version of office comes out.
560gb is a decent amount, but it not impossible to fill. Most games easily exceed a gig, especially once you start getting in to mods. I think my HL dir weighned in at 4GB when all was said and done.
Creating game movies can eat disk to, I was bored and made an attempt before realising the math -- the process behind it is just take 30 screenshots a second while replaying a demo, so lets say 640 * 480 * 32 * 30 * {seconds}.. easily racks up gigs if you plan on recording anything more than a minute or two.
"Team Fortress 2 - $0. Was due in 2000, then 2001, then 2002, then I stopped caring about it. The idea of a Team Fortress sequel now seems quaint and outdated after Battlefield 1942 and Planetside. I think they've missed the window of opportunity with this one."
Correction, first due out 2nd quarter 1998 according to TF1's birthday mode. By 2000 most people gave up hope, although seeing the sourcecode to it shows they are atleast working on it. (For anyone that doesnt know, HalfLife2's sourcecode leaked out recently, and apparently tf2 and cs2 were both in there. TF2 can even compile in its current state, so it may be close to release.)
" This is one of my major "wow that is a PITA" points about Linux.
WHERE ARE MY HOTKEYS???"
Wherever you set them. I have alt+c close current window, alt+k,c to sigkill it, alt+mwheeldown/up to cycle through tabs in my current pane (I use ion. I'll provide screenshots if someone asks). Then theres the GNU ReadLine shorcuts that a lot of apps respect(most because they actually use ReadLine, then the rest just because theyre standard.
^A - begining of line ^E - end of line ^K - delete text from cursor to end of line ^U - delete text from cursor to begining of line ^V - insert raw char regardless of other bindings
Theres plenty more, see man ReadLine. They're all configurable of course.
-l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.).
>I installed the intertactive patches on the 2.4 kernel and I didn't see any difference in the responsiveness of the applications.
It depends on the apps you run. You'll probably still need to tweak it further (fe. making run at nice level 0 again instead of the -10 most distros set it at). You might want to try the 2.6-test series if you've got a non-production box to play with, They've gotten even better than the 2.4 patches.
"Uh? We're talking about the responsiveness of X locally.. So IP has nothing to do with it.. Beside as we're talking about X, X is not ideal for remote connections, I believe that a higher level protocol with more things done in the server would be more responsive and use less bandwith.."
Network latency has a lot to do with general slugish feeling. Though thats rarely the case, I felt I'd throw it in as its not something many know about (and its extremely useful). Though I will argue that a higher level protocol would not be as good as it sounds. Imagine needing the exact same qt/gtk version on every server and workstation.. it could become a mess. (assuming you're refering to toolkit level).
http://www.prout.be/qos/QoS-connection-tuning-HOWT O.html#toc4 is the reference I used. It should tell you everything you need to get it working, and the commands to enable it. I wrote a script to do it (since I have to run it every reboot), I'll see if I can get past the lameness filter;
#!/bin/bash DEVICE="eth0" UPSTREAM="3 86" #kbit -- should not have a space, slashdot b0rked it DOWNSTREAM="3000" #kbit if [ `id -ur` != "0" ];then echo "Error: Must be root to run this script." fi
if [ ! -e/sbin/iptables ];then echo "Error: IPTables not installed." echo "Suggestion: apt-get install iptables" fi
if [ ! -e/sbin/tc ];then echo "Error: IProute not installed." echo "Suggestion: apt-get install iproute" fi
INTERCLASS=`expr $DOWNSTREAM / 20` DATACLASS=`expr $UPSTREAM - $INTERCLASS` echo "i: $INTERCLASS d: $DATACLASS" iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m length --length 0:500 -j MARK --set-mark 3 iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m length --length 500:1500 -j MARK --set-mark 4 iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -m length --length 0:500 -j MARK --set-mark 3 iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -m length --length 500:1500 -j MARK --set-mark 4 tc qdisc add dev $DEVICE root handle 10: cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000 mpu 64
Why is it doubtful that the kernel comes into play? You have no idea how much of a difference it makes (I'm not saying this to be derogatory, just expressing a point). A well configured kernel provides so much more usability, some examples of things to look into: - Anticapritory I/O Schedualer. -- Some disk read operations actually take multiple reads which get schedualed in a weird way when theres currently something being written to disk. The reads get schedualed in a way that the writes are between reads, causing the original read operation to take a lot longer due to the added latency. This patch will anticipate such situations, and cause each read to pause for a few msecs so that the next read can be schedualed instantly. - Interactive patches (preempt, ll, et al) -- Guess if an application is interactive based on how long it sleeps between reads. An app that constantly reads is probably not interactive, so it should have less priority. You know what they say, the slowest part of a program is the user, and that is kind of how this works. When a program sleeps for input between read its marked as interactive. This way bash responds with quickness, but gcc can wait for your interactive procceses. - IP QoS -- Not really X related, but really makes a huge performance diference. With QoS enabled, You can set it up so that small packets (500), then limit your outstream to a little less than your max so that SYN|ACKS can still get out. The result is that you can max your upload/download to your hearts content, but your latency NEVER takes a hit. I can even scp to my server while sshed in (both using the same sshd, which is why packet size comes in) and my ssh session still remains responsive. There are more, But these are just a few examples. I'm debating writing a paper on properly setting up a modern Linux system for maximum usability, as theres a huge difference and a lot of it is in the kernel. Sorry for any bad formatting, ironicly enough I typed this in lynx due to a few bad apps(python + wxwindows is the kiss of death, both soulseek and bittorrent tend to trash my usability). Still need to address that, heh.
Because most of battle.net is just handing off IPs. With Diablo as the exception, all Battle.net does is tell you who else is playing so you can join their game (atleast, this is how it used to be, I may be mistaken.)
Of course, Blizzard is generally a better company, but thats why you vote with your wallet. My only real complaint with Blizzard is their copy protection. My copy of Diablo2 has to be the hardest game to get working I've ever tried. All it takes is a little smudge on your cdrom or a buggy cdrom drive and you cant play, never mind the fact that you have all 1.3 gigs of the game installed on your harddrive.
When the RIAA page was hacked (I say this as if it only happened once..) the new Linkin Park cd ended up on their webserver publicly. I believe this was a few days before it hit shelfs, to. End result: just pisses people off.
You can pull DeCSS from disneys nameservers if you want, doesn't really mean anything.
" And for the philosophers, how do these hosts expect to maintain a good reputation when they engage in such unscrupulous business practices?""
Reputation doesnt matter for most of them. All they need is to gain an equal or more amount of customers a month than they lose and theyre making money.
Most of the hosting companies out there just want to make money, they don't care about whats right. Most are just paper engineers that want to make aquick buck and end up bugging me for the most simple stuff.
I've had an admin of a hosting company (nameless for obvious reasons) ask me how to 'rename a folder' in linux. These are the guys admining your website. Feel safe now?
Always talk to your admins before signing up. It will show you what kind of support you get, and how their service will be.
(ObDisclaimer: I work for a hosting company. I wont name it so as to retain some credability.)
Forgot to mention, IDSoft really has been good about it all. They also tend to look the other way on some piracy issues, because theyre smart enough to realise the more people playing, the more value their game has.
Quake3Fortress is a/much/ better game than Team Fortress Classic in my oppinion, but when theres only one q3f server with a good ping and anyone playing, whats the point?
"The only ones hurt or hampered by steam and other crap like it are the people who buy it legit. Those who don't never even notice it is there."
Not true. I downloaded my copy of halflife and I still had to put up with that steam crap:'( (note that of course steam didnt stop me, I even had the leaked copy at like 2am before it went public.)
I Fully agree with you though, the way copyprotection works now is bullshit. I might actually pay for a game if it wasnt so much more of a hastle. Lets compare warezed Quake3 to legal Diablo2
Quake3: download q3demo, realise its fun. delete q3demo, download q3 point release from ftp.idsoftware.com download pak0.pk3 from a friend who has the cd. get cdkey from a friend who doesnt play anymore. Fully working q3, doesnt bitch. Same process with any other warezed game, sometimes with a nocd patch in there somewhere.
Diablo2: Shuffle the 5 or 6 install cds to get the game installed. Boot game, computer freezes. Retry -- same. Retry -- same. Retry, but ctrl+alt+del and kill the task thats checking for my cd -- works. Playable game for a while, until it hangs randomly. Of course I wasnt able to play with my cdrom drive unplugged (I keep a backup hd in my compute ri sometimes have plugged in rather than my cdrom). I'd probably still play Diablo2 if it wasnt such a pain in the ass.
If game companies really wanted to have some interesting copy protection, How about dissguising it in a USB memory card thats modded up to look like something from the game? Maybe make it look like a rune from some RPG. Store all savegames/character data on it, and also require it to be connected at all times. It would still be as annoying as cdrom based protection, but it would atleast be easier to deal with.
Of course, I'd prefer if they just stopped treating us like criminals all together, and then maybe I'd stop being one.
I'm guessing the suprise is either full backwards compatability with halflife1 mods, or TF2. Just a guess though, If I knew for sure I wouldnt be leaking it on slashdot, heh.
I agree, But its a tough comparison. What most people consider 'Linux' is actually a huge amount of apps, so of course there will be more vulnerabilities in comparison.
Of course, I'm equally pissed about all vulns out as of late, but I guess thats why I run debian patches are just an apt-get away.
" Most people are on those networks because one person initially went on."
I propose we hunt that guy down and kill him.
What you've said is painfully true, coupled with the fact that you cant get most people to care about anything that doesnt have a noticable effect on them, and you have a bunch of mindless drones that are impossible to talk sense into.
Slashdot Mirror
There is XXXtreme beach volleyball, a worthless volleyball game not unlike DOA's extreme volleyball, but topless. No jiggle, no fun.
/no karma bonus so I can hide in with the ascii penis bird posts at 1.
And you can play max payne 2 as the female lead character(nameless to not spoil it) if you turn on developer mode and cycle the player skins, but I dont think that counts. (mostly because again, no jiggle.)
The last game I remember that had full nudity and good jiggle was the virtual vallery games. DoA had great jiggle, but no nudity (excluding kasumi nude intro cheat on the dreamcast)
"I only wish more game developers would follow suit."
They would be following IDSofts suit. If it wernt for ID, we'd be getting sued under the DMCA for modding our games. ID revolutionized the modding industry by using the easy to figure out format(cant think of the name offhand) for doom after seeing how many people tried to hack mods into wolf3d. Because of that we could turn a fps monster game into an airplane simulator (AirQuake), RTS (DiD), Or just totaly innovate new gameplay (3wave, fortress, etc).
It's scary to think where the industry would be today without IDSoft's generousity.
As I said in my journal entry, Verisign sucks my peenar.
me-->(_(_)====DO:--verisign.net A 64.94.110.11
(Yes, this actually resolved that way before.)
Warez kiddies need fast disks to. when you're both reading at writing at a full 15mB/sec spanning several different transfers, each making their own small files.. A slow hd can be the death of a good site.
Really depends on what you do with it. The pleasure of a large disk(that sounds so wrong..) is in not having to delete things when you're done. You can keep everything you ever downloaded and still have space for more, rather than people still suffering with a 5-10gb disk having to delete their mp3s whenever a new version of office comes out.
560gb is a decent amount, but it not impossible to fill. Most games easily exceed a gig, especially once you start getting in to mods. I think my HL dir weighned in at 4GB when all was said and done.
Creating game movies can eat disk to, I was bored and made an attempt before realising the math -- the process behind it is just take 30 screenshots a second while replaying a demo, so lets say 640 * 480 * 32 * 30 * {seconds}.. easily racks up gigs if you plan on recording anything more than a minute or two.
"I've seen plenty of Linux systems approaching and a few exceeding 1 yr of uptime but by then it's time for a distro upgrade."
apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt require a reboot.
The difference is all in the mind. Its just like the difference between a Private Investigator and a Social Engineer. Or a locksmith and a theif.
Its all in the mind... which is why its generally best to keep us happy;)
"Team Fortress 2 - $0. Was due in 2000, then 2001, then 2002, then I stopped caring about it. The idea of a Team Fortress sequel now seems quaint and outdated after Battlefield 1942 and Planetside. I think they've missed the window of opportunity with this one."
Correction, first due out 2nd quarter 1998 according to TF1's birthday mode. By 2000 most people gave up hope, although seeing the sourcecode to it shows they are atleast working on it. (For anyone that doesnt know, HalfLife2's sourcecode leaked out recently, and apparently tf2 and cs2 were both in there. TF2 can even compile in its current state, so it may be close to release.)
"I know that spamming is wrong, and fraud is wrong, and spamming + fraud is therefore doubly wrong,"
Nope. Two wrongs make a right. Didn't you get the memo?
" Them's Emacs key bindings, son."
Gnu ReadLine defaults to Emacs mode. You can use a VI mode, but most vi users just got used to the simple bindings needed for readline.
" This is one of my major "wow that is a PITA" points about Linux.
WHERE ARE MY HOTKEYS???"
Wherever you set them.
I have alt+c close current window, alt+k,c to sigkill it, alt+mwheeldown/up to cycle through tabs in my current pane (I use ion. I'll provide screenshots if someone asks). Then theres the GNU ReadLine shorcuts that a lot of apps respect(most because they actually use ReadLine, then the rest just because theyre standard.
^A - begining of line
^E - end of line
^K - delete text from cursor to end of line
^U - delete text from cursor to begining of line
^V - insert raw char regardless of other bindings
Theres plenty more, see man ReadLine. They're all configurable of course.
-l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.).
(from man umount).
Pi.
>I installed the intertactive patches on the 2.4 kernel and I didn't see any difference in the responsiveness of the applications.
It depends on the apps you run. You'll probably still need to tweak it further (fe. making run at nice level 0 again instead of the -10 most distros set it at).
You might want to try the 2.6-test series if you've got a non-production box to play with, They've gotten even better than the 2.4 patches.
"Uh? We're talking about the responsiveness of X locally..
So IP has nothing to do with it..
Beside as we're talking about X, X is not ideal for remote connections, I believe that a higher level protocol with more things done in the server would be more responsive and use less bandwith.."
Network latency has a lot to do with general slugish feeling. Though thats rarely the case, I felt I'd throw it in as its not something many know about (and its extremely useful). Though I will argue that a higher level protocol would not be as good as it sounds. Imagine needing the exact same qt/gtk version on every server and workstation.. it could become a mess. (assuming you're refering to toolkit level).
http://www.prout.be/qos/QoS-connection-tuning-HOWT O.html#toc4 is the reference I used. It should tell you everything you need to get it working, and the commands to enable it.
/sbin/iptables ];then
/sbin/tc ];then
I wrote a script to do it (since I have to run it every reboot), I'll see if I can get past the lameness filter;
#!/bin/bash
DEVICE="eth0"
UPSTREAM="3 86" #kbit -- should not have a space, slashdot b0rked it
DOWNSTREAM="3000" #kbit
if [ `id -ur` != "0" ];then
echo "Error: Must be root to run this script."
fi
if [ ! -e
echo "Error: IPTables not installed."
echo "Suggestion: apt-get install iptables"
fi
if [ ! -e
echo "Error: IProute not installed."
echo "Suggestion: apt-get install iproute"
fi
INTERCLASS=`expr $DOWNSTREAM / 20`
DATACLASS=`expr $UPSTREAM - $INTERCLASS`
echo "i: $INTERCLASS d: $DATACLASS"
iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m length --length 0:500 -j MARK --set-mark 3
iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m length --length 500:1500 -j MARK --set-mark 4
iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -m length --length 0:500 -j MARK --set-mark 3
iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -m length --length 500:1500 -j MARK --set-mark 4
tc qdisc add dev $DEVICE root handle 10: cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000 mpu 64
tc class add dev $DEVICE parent 10:0 classid 10:1 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit \
rate ${INTERCLASS}Kbit allot 1514 prio 1 maxburst 10 avpkt 100 isolated
tc class add dev $DEVICE parent 10:0 classid 10:2 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit \
rate ${DATACLASS}Kbit allot 1514 prio 8 maxburst 2 avpkt 1500 bounded
tc filter add dev $DEVICE parent 10:0 protocol ip handle 3 fw flowid 10:1
tc filter add dev $DEVICE parent 10:0 protocol ip handle 4 fw flowid 10:2
Why is it doubtful that the kernel comes into play?
You have no idea how much of a difference it makes (I'm not saying this to be derogatory, just expressing a point).
A well configured kernel provides so much more usability, some examples of things to look into:
- Anticapritory I/O Schedualer. -- Some disk read operations actually take multiple reads which get schedualed in a weird way when theres currently something being written to disk. The reads get schedualed in a way that the writes are between reads, causing the original read operation to take a lot longer due to the added latency. This patch will anticipate such situations, and cause each read to pause for a few msecs so that the next read can be schedualed instantly.
- Interactive patches (preempt, ll, et al) -- Guess if an application is interactive based on how long it sleeps between reads. An app that constantly reads is probably not interactive, so it should have less priority. You know what they say, the slowest part of a program is the user, and that is kind of how this works. When a program sleeps for input between read its marked as interactive. This way bash responds with quickness, but gcc can wait for your interactive procceses.
- IP QoS -- Not really X related, but really makes a huge performance diference. With QoS enabled, You can set it up so that small packets (500), then limit your outstream to a little less than your max so that SYN|ACKS can still get out. The result is that you can max your upload/download to your hearts content, but your latency NEVER takes a hit. I can even scp to my server while sshed in (both using the same sshd, which is why packet size comes in) and my ssh session still remains responsive.
There are more, But these are just a few examples. I'm debating writing a paper on properly setting up a modern Linux system for maximum usability, as theres a huge difference and a lot of it is in the kernel.
Sorry for any bad formatting, ironicly enough I typed this in lynx due to a few bad apps(python + wxwindows is the kiss of death, both soulseek and bittorrent tend to trash my usability). Still need to address that, heh.
Because most of battle.net is just handing off IPs.
With Diablo as the exception, all Battle.net does is tell you who else is playing so you can join their game (atleast, this is how it used to be, I may be mistaken.)
Of course, Blizzard is generally a better company, but thats why you vote with your wallet.
My only real complaint with Blizzard is their copy protection. My copy of Diablo2 has to be the hardest game to get working I've ever tried. All it takes is a little smudge on your cdrom or a buggy cdrom drive and you cant play, never mind the fact that you have all 1.3 gigs of the game installed on your harddrive.
When the RIAA page was hacked (I say this as if it only happened once..) the new Linkin Park cd ended up on their webserver publicly. I believe this was a few days before it hit shelfs, to. End result: just pisses people off.
You can pull DeCSS from disneys nameservers if you want, doesn't really mean anything.
" And for the philosophers, how do these hosts expect to maintain a good reputation when they engage in such unscrupulous business practices?""
Reputation doesnt matter for most of them. All they need is to gain an equal or more amount of customers a month than they lose and theyre making money.
Most of the hosting companies out there just want to make money, they don't care about whats right. Most are just paper engineers that want to make aquick buck and end up bugging me for the most simple stuff.
I've had an admin of a hosting company (nameless for obvious reasons) ask me how to 'rename a folder' in linux. These are the guys admining your website. Feel safe now?
Always talk to your admins before signing up. It will show you what kind of support you get, and how their service will be.
(ObDisclaimer: I work for a hosting company. I wont name it so as to retain some credability.)
(I know, replying to my own post is bad)
/much/ better game than Team Fortress Classic in my oppinion, but when theres only one q3f server with a good ping and anyone playing, whats the point?
Forgot to mention, IDSoft really has been good about it all. They also tend to look the other way on some piracy issues, because theyre smart enough to realise the more people playing, the more value their game has.
Quake3Fortress is a
"The only ones hurt or hampered by steam and other crap like it are the people who buy it legit. Those who don't never even notice it is there."
:'( (note that of course steam didnt stop me, I even had the leaked copy at like 2am before it went public.)
Not true. I downloaded my copy of halflife and I still had to put up with that steam crap
I Fully agree with you though, the way copyprotection works now is bullshit. I might actually pay for a game if it wasnt so much more of a hastle.
Lets compare warezed Quake3 to legal Diablo2
Quake3: download q3demo, realise its fun. delete q3demo, download q3 point release from ftp.idsoftware.com download pak0.pk3 from a friend who has the cd. get cdkey from a friend who doesnt play anymore. Fully working q3, doesnt bitch. Same process with any other warezed game, sometimes with a nocd patch in there somewhere.
Diablo2: Shuffle the 5 or 6 install cds to get the game installed. Boot game, computer freezes. Retry -- same. Retry -- same. Retry, but ctrl+alt+del and kill the task thats checking for my cd -- works. Playable game for a while, until it hangs randomly. Of course I wasnt able to play with my cdrom drive unplugged (I keep a backup hd in my compute ri sometimes have plugged in rather than my cdrom).
I'd probably still play Diablo2 if it wasnt such a pain in the ass.
If game companies really wanted to have some interesting copy protection, How about dissguising it in a USB memory card thats modded up to look like something from the game? Maybe make it look like a rune from some RPG. Store all savegames/character data on it, and also require it to be connected at all times. It would still be as annoying as cdrom based protection, but it would atleast be easier to deal with.
Of course, I'd prefer if they just stopped treating us like criminals all together, and then maybe I'd stop being one.
I'm guessing the suprise is either full backwards compatability with halflife1 mods, or TF2.
Just a guess though, If I knew for sure I wouldnt be leaking it on slashdot, heh.
I agree, But its a tough comparison. What most people consider 'Linux' is actually a huge amount of apps, so of course there will be more vulnerabilities in comparison.
Of course, I'm equally pissed about all vulns out as of late, but I guess thats why I run debian patches are just an apt-get away.
" Most people are on those networks because one person initially went on."
I propose we hunt that guy down and kill him.
What you've said is painfully true, coupled with the fact that you cant get most people to care about anything that doesnt have a noticable effect on them, and you have a bunch of mindless drones that are impossible to talk sense into.