I don't think it would be destroyed so much as no longer be useful, and just wither away. This, of course, assumes a *magic* duplicating machine that does not consume resources. If it consumes resources, there is still a basis for market capitalism of some form.
Let's revisit this topic in ten years. I've made you my/. "friend", as our debate has been enjoyable, so if either of us are still around/. in ten years time, we can compare notes.
Just for curiousity's sake, which hard drive MP3 player available now do you think will still be in widespread use in ten years, if any? Yes, I'm looking for a gotcha to spring on you in ten years time, but I'm leaving you an out. =)
So long as Sony makes the battery, I shouldn't have any problem.
But will I still have the iPod in 10 years? It depends on what is available in the intervening years. Fact is, I'm already slightly tempted to sell my second gen iPod for one of the third gens. In 10 years, who knows what Apple or other manufacturers will be offering. You don't still use your ten year old computer as your primary, do you? How's that 8-track player doing?
I have several objections to your argument based on environmental considerations. First, comparing a current consumer electronic device to your stereo components purchased 10 or 15 years ago is not fair. Fairness dictates we compare the iPod to other contemporary personal digital music players that are hard drive based. That comparison becomes conjecture: How much landfill space will be taken up by iPods vs. how much will be taken up by other players and the batteries used to power them? I think the iPod is in favor here, but really, it's meaningless conjecture. We could look at resources consumed in the production, we can look at toxins released overall, but I don't have any figures for that. Do you?
Well, we can look at batteries. How many charges do your rechargable batteries give you before they are replaced? Will a set actually last you 18+ months? Even if it does, I think your solution is less favorable environmentally, given that the volume of your batteries is larger than the volume of the tiny iPod battery and it stands to reason that they contain more toxins that can be released into the evnironment. I could be wrong on this; I'm not an expert on batteries and their effects on the environment.
If you are making the deeper argument that our rampant consumerism is destroying the environment, wasting valuable resources, and is in general bad for the soul, I'd point out that you're changing the argument. I'd also be inclined to agree with you, which would reveal one of the (many) contradictions of my own life. So it goes.
The current generation iPod supports USB 2.0, but the first two versions were FW only. And yes, a PC user can easily add a FW card. I was being facetious.
I've tried the rechargeable battery thing in the past they ended up being too much a pain in the ass for me, plus they didn't seem to last long per charge or have long lives. Maybe the technology has gotten better where you can get 18 months or better from a set of batteries.
Anyway, I do take your point, but I'd still say there are trade offs with either method. I can live with the trade offs I'm making while I don't want to live with the trade offs you find acceptable. To each his own.
There. That was better than saying, "I disagree with you, so you must be stupid." Thanks for raising my level of discourse. I must have been reading/. at too low a threshold for too long.
Me a silly flamebaiter? I'm touched! =) Do you have an estimate on what you might pay for AA or AAA batts over the course of 18 or more months? Assume the device is HD based and you use it daily.
I just gave my father an emac (early Xmas gift), and I praise the Jobs above for including a one button mouse. This is my dad's first computer; right clicking and left clicking would be beyond him.
However, he has quickly become proficient at double clicking, dragging and click and hold. He's doing pretty well for a 75 year old technophobe.
Are you a purveyor of FUD, or just a consumer of it who decided this one time to pass it on to others? Long before Apple began offering it's battery replacement program, you could buy a battery from a third party and replace it your self.
Of course, finding this information requires searching google. That might be beyond you.
I had to reread your post to get that you really meant bombing. That is morally reprehensible!!! However, if someone where to accidentally blow up a spammer's house, I don't think anyone would mind to much. If that's what you meant, then yes, I too am suprised that we haven't heard of any spammers being accidented.
I agree that.mac is an ideal solution, except for the implicit requirement that the solution be cheap of free. Why else would someone give a website as a present unless they were low on funds and not good with macaroni and glitter? I doubt the original article poster could afford to give them a mac, although if they already own one, it's an option.
Apple gives their development package (X Code) for free with OS X. That's $129 or included with the purchase of a new Mac. You can download updates and other Apple SDKs at the Apple Developer Connection.
It is interesting that at least one major OS company, Apple, has taken advantage of BSD, it's license, and Open Source development by basing OS X on BSD.
And they have given back to the community with Darwin, although they benefit from this as well, to the extent that outside developers contribute to the project. I don't know if there is a way to prove that all their Darwin development gets put back into the Darwin project, but they generally update Darwin concurrently with OS X.
Apple has demonstrated that there is a way to use BSD in a way that is positive for the community, but they've managed to avoid the possibility of having their feet held to the fire. In effect, they can always "take their ball home" if they don't want to play.
Hey, I like it! Very creative! One step below using a green suit and pulling a matte (which is technically possible with off the shelf software, just hard to do in practice). Still, I like your idea a lot, and might have to steal it someday.
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720 hours/30 days would be acceptable here. That's a perfectly reasonable compromise, imho.
Would you call it your Mama-SAN?
Unix vesus Vax is political?
I don't think it would be destroyed so much as no longer be useful, and just wither away. This, of course, assumes a *magic* duplicating machine that does not consume resources. If it consumes resources, there is still a basis for market capitalism of some form.
I'm looking forward to that robot blowjob.
I resent that remark.
Sincerely,
Bill Oh'Really
Something in your post makes no sense whatsoever!
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because my girlfriend clicked on a "see my vacation pictures" email
Ok, it's a huge stretch that you have a girlfriend, but let's just say that you do. .
You let her touch your computer?!!!!
Let's revisit this topic in ten years. I've made you my /. "friend", as our debate has been enjoyable, so if either of us are still around /. in ten years time, we can compare notes.
Just for curiousity's sake, which hard drive MP3 player available now do you think will still be in widespread use in ten years, if any? Yes, I'm looking for a gotcha to spring on you in ten years time, but I'm leaving you an out. =)
So long as Sony makes the battery, I shouldn't have any problem.
But will I still have the iPod in 10 years? It depends on what is available in the intervening years. Fact is, I'm already slightly tempted to sell my second gen iPod for one of the third gens. In 10 years, who knows what Apple or other manufacturers will be offering. You don't still use your ten year old computer as your primary, do you? How's that 8-track player doing?
I have several objections to your argument based on environmental considerations. First, comparing a current consumer electronic device to your stereo components purchased 10 or 15 years ago is not fair. Fairness dictates we compare the iPod to other contemporary personal digital music players that are hard drive based. That comparison becomes conjecture: How much landfill space will be taken up by iPods vs. how much will be taken up by other players and the batteries used to power them? I think the iPod is in favor here, but really, it's meaningless conjecture. We could look at resources consumed in the production, we can look at toxins released overall, but I don't have any figures for that. Do you?
Well, we can look at batteries. How many charges do your rechargable batteries give you before they are replaced? Will a set actually last you 18+ months? Even if it does, I think your solution is less favorable environmentally, given that the volume of your batteries is larger than the volume of the tiny iPod battery and it stands to reason that they contain more toxins that can be released into the evnironment. I could be wrong on this; I'm not an expert on batteries and their effects on the environment.
If you are making the deeper argument that our rampant consumerism is destroying the environment, wasting valuable resources, and is in general bad for the soul, I'd point out that you're changing the argument. I'd also be inclined to agree with you, which would reveal one of the (many) contradictions of my own life. So it goes.
The current generation iPod supports USB 2.0, but the first two versions were FW only. And yes, a PC user can easily add a FW card. I was being facetious.
I've tried the rechargeable battery thing in the past they ended up being too much a pain in the ass for me, plus they didn't seem to last long per charge or have long lives. Maybe the technology has gotten better where you can get 18 months or better from a set of batteries.
/. at too low a threshold for too long.
Anyway, I do take your point, but I'd still say there are trade offs with either method. I can live with the trade offs I'm making while I don't want to live with the trade offs you find acceptable. To each his own.
There. That was better than saying, "I disagree with you, so you must be stupid." Thanks for raising my level of discourse. I must have been reading
By the way, Fleener, I appreciate your politeness in the face of my rudeness. I still disagree with you, but you are the better person.
Me a silly flamebaiter? I'm touched! =) Do you have an estimate on what you might pay for AA or AAA batts over the course of 18 or more months? Assume the device is HD based and you use it daily.
I just gave my father an emac (early Xmas gift), and I praise the Jobs above for including a one button mouse. This is my dad's first computer; right clicking and left clicking would be beyond him.
However, he has quickly become proficient at double clicking, dragging and click and hold. He's doing pretty well for a 75 year old technophobe.
Why? Laughing at dumbasses that don't know how to google isn't nice.
As a side note, who's bright idea was it to use USB 1.1 for a 20 Gb HD? Oh, Firewire isn't standard on PCs? That's too bad.
Make sure to dose well on koolaid right before the keynote, and you won't be disappointed.
drink me
Are you a purveyor of FUD, or just a consumer of it who decided this one time to pass it on to others? Long before Apple began offering it's battery replacement program, you could buy a battery from a third party and replace it your self.
Of course, finding this information requires searching google. That might be beyond you.
I had to reread your post to get that you really meant bombing. That is morally reprehensible!!! However, if someone where to accidentally blow up a spammer's house, I don't think anyone would mind to much. If that's what you meant, then yes, I too am suprised that we haven't heard of any spammers being accidented.
Mod this as redundant if you want.
.mac is an ideal solution, except for the implicit requirement that the solution be cheap of free. Why else would someone give a website as a present unless they were low on funds and not good with macaroni and glitter? I doubt the original article poster could afford to give them a mac, although if they already own one, it's an option.
I agree that
Apple gives their development package (X Code) for free with OS X. That's $129 or included with the purchase of a new Mac. You can download updates and other Apple SDKs at the Apple Developer Connection.
It is interesting that at least one major OS company, Apple, has taken advantage of BSD, it's license, and Open Source development by basing OS X on BSD.
And they have given back to the community with Darwin, although they benefit from this as well, to the extent that outside developers contribute to the project. I don't know if there is a way to prove that all their Darwin development gets put back into the Darwin project, but they generally update Darwin concurrently with OS X.
Apple has demonstrated that there is a way to use BSD in a way that is positive for the community, but they've managed to avoid the possibility of having their feet held to the fire. In effect, they can always "take their ball home" if they don't want to play.
Exactly how much will no one pay them for nothing?
You should never
Hey, I like it! Very creative! One step below using a green suit and pulling a matte (which is technically possible with off the shelf software, just hard to do in practice). Still, I like your idea a lot, and might have to steal it someday.
Just curious, but why didn't you call Apple?