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Philip K. Dick's Hollywood Afterlife

HarryLeBlanc writes "Wired has a long thoughtful article about Philip K Dick's posthumous Hollywood career. It has some interesting tidbits in it (imagine Total Recall directed by Cronenburg and starring William Hurt!), and does a good job of covering his Hollywood history (though it overlooks Barjo), and it doesn't gloss over how PKD would have hated what Hollywood has done to much of his work."

244 comments

  1. Nothing new here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hollywood is a nothingness that eats people. (See Terry Pratchett, "Moving Pictures"

  2. Total Recall by Lurth · · Score: 1, Funny

    Arnold Schwarzenegger in Total Recall

    Speaks for itself
    1. Re:Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or do the memories implanted in your mind say that it speaks for itself?

    2. Re:Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, one reply that's scored 1 or higher, and it's this one. Some article.

    3. Re:Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you like adolescent fantasies that operate on the emotional level of Saturday morning cartoons and pretend to be almost pseudo-intellectual, yes, it does speak for itself.

      On the other hand, some of us would have appreciated seeing the other possible version metioned. Probably those of us who look for something deeper in life than firefights and see relationships as being more complex than just pairing with a sex partner.

    4. Re:Total Recall by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1

      I believe parent was making a comment with reference to the California Recall.

      YLFI
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    5. Re:Total Recall by mcpkaaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you like adolescent fantasies that operate on the emotional level of Saturday morning cartoons and pretend to be almost pseudo-intellectual, yes, it does speak for itself.

      Translation: Commando rox0red Total Recall.

      some of us would have appreciated seeing the other possible version metioned

      Um..

      Probably those of us who look for something deeper in life than firefights

      Well..

      ...see relationships as being more complex than just pairing with a sex partner.

      You lost me.

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    6. Re:Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he was talking about "the matrix".

    7. Re:Total Recall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget "The Runnnig Man".

    8. Re:Total Recall by waitigetit · · Score: 1

      I instantly understood that acronym without looking at your username. How scary is that.

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  3. another well-written PKD article by lowdown722 · · Score: 5, Informative

    the magazine Hermenaut published a long, informative bio of Philip K. Dick that covers in more depth some of the aspects of his life touched on in this article (drug use, paranoia/schizophrenia, his place in writing and pop culture, etc.).

    1. Re:another well-written PKD article by Cally · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...and for what it's worth, Divine Invasions is the best Dick biography I've read; it covers his early desperate struggle to survive and make a living writing, his interest in Gnosticism, the strange 5-2-72 incident (in which he believed information about an illness his son was suffering, which was completely without symptoms, was communicated directly to him in a beam of light from some external entity or intelligence. He rushed the kid to hospital where after lots of tests they confirmed that said child was indeed suffering from the potentially fatal condition.)... his somewhat turbulent emotional life... his drug use... the mysterious military raid on his house... his psychiatric breakdowns... and so on. Anyway, highly recommended for the interested student of PKD.

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  4. I've think... by EverDense · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should make a movie out of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep".
    Anyone second the motion?

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    1. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, they could call it Blade Runner and have Harrison Ford star.

      Oh wait, they already did.

    2. Re:I've think... by Zeppelingb · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that is what Blade runner was based on.

    3. Re:I've think... by Multiple+Independent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not that Blade Runner was a bad movie (it's one of my personal favorites), but it's not really a straightforward adaptation of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. It certainly borrows some themes -- the androids, the bounty hunters (not called "blade runners" anywhere in the novel), and the artificial animals -- but the characters, the world vision, and the story structure are all quite different. The book, for example, contains no hints that Deckard is an android, and the film leaves out elements that were central to the novel -- Mercerism, Buster Friendly and his Friendly Friends, the pervasive radiation that made the world of Do Androids Dreams of Electric Sheep nearly uninhabitable, and probably some others that I'm forgetting.

      In short: a faithful adaptation of the book would look nothing like Blade Runner.

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    4. Re:I've think... by Paleomacus · · Score: 3, Informative

      The special edition of Blade Runner hint's that Deckard is an android.

      That's the only version I've ever seen...I was um...sort of a fetus when it was released.

    5. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To people responding to this, I think it's safe to assume he was kidding.

    6. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does the non-special edition.
      Watch it again more closely.

    7. Re:I've think... by adrianbaugh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The radiation isn't explicitly mentioned, but there's definitely something fucked up with the world in Blade Runner. The perpetual rain, the near-deserted apartment blocks, the desperation to get away to the off-world colonies.. Whether it's massive irradiation or just total climate failure, it's pretty clear that the world is an unpleasant place.

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    8. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Captain Obvious!

    9. Re:I've think... by mekkab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nah, I never bought that. I thought the story is FAR more powerful if deckard is a human, but grossly lacking the emotional maturity of a replicant.

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    10. Re:I've think... by elmegil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interestingly, PKD was very positive about the screenings he saw of the movie before his death. So faithful adaptation might not even be what the author wanted.

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    11. Re:I've think... by 87C751 · · Score: 1
      the bounty hunters (not called "blade runners" anywhere in the novel)
      I can't find it on Amazon or Google, but the title "Blade Runner" actually came from a sci-fi novel about underground doctors in a totalitarian world where control of health care had been co-opted into control of the population. I remember reading it some years ago, but now I can't remember the author. I did read somewhere that the film company had bought the book's title from the author to stick it onto the movie. Maybe some other /.er can fill in the missing piece here?
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    12. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're stupid and need to learn what sarcasm is.

    13. Re:I've think... by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 4, Funny

      "The perpetual rain, the near-deserted apartment blocks, the desperation to get away to the off-world colonies"

      Oohh - that's Vancouver.

    14. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "The perpetual rain..."

      The story takes place over a period of maybe 3 days.

      It's not raining when Deckard VK's Rachael at the Tyrell Corporation.

    15. Re:I've think... by Saeger · · Score: 1
      Well, it was written in 1968, so he was probably influenced by the trendy notion of the day that the Earth would soon be an overpopulated cesspool that would run out of oil and be forced to transition to radiation-leaking, "too-cheap-to-meter" nuclear energy. :)

      Linearly extrapolating into the future never seems to work.

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    16. Re:I've think... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for "getting it". This is why the Director's Cut was true to Dick, while telling a slightly different story. Ironically, Dick's ending was more "Hollywood", in that it was uplifting and contained a tiny ray of hope for Deckard.

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    17. Re:I've think... by WatertonMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      I saw an interview (I think on the Indiana Jones DVDs) which had Harrison Ford saying that he was the one who fought against Deckard being "outed" as a replicant. Apparently he and Scott had a big fight about it. That's why it is in the director's cut and not the normal cut. I kind of wish there was a version on DVD with the original cut, voice over and all. I didn't remember it being that bad. But perhaps watching it as something other than a teenager would change that. (Hell - I just saw Strange Brew and it wasn't nearly as funny as I remembered it as a kid)

    18. Re:I've think... by Equa1izer · · Score: 1

      I personally think that Blade Runner was a really good adaptation. There is no point remaking it. Good plot. Good actors. Vangelis, ha just can't say anything about this factor. Amaizing analog effects. Ataris in cop cars.:)) Book is excelent and movie is good.

    19. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you stupid wankers had read the book, you'd know that Dick mentions people selling radiation shields for genitals. Deckard didn't wear one.

    20. Re:I've think... by suchire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, IIRC, the shooting screenplay wasn't directly based on "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep." Ridley Scott took the then-current screenplay adaptation (like the 12th generation or something) of the story and gave it to another screenwriter. He told that one not to read Philip Dick's short story at all, only to adapt from the screenplay given him. This explains, of course, why there are so many huge changes from the short story.

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    21. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unh, 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' explicitly states that WW III is the direct cause for the environmental problems.

    22. Re:I've think... by BOFHelsinki · · Score: 0

      But, again, the book doesn't. That was the whole point.

      (BTW, your UID is scary.)

    23. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple Independent wrote:
      >
      > In short: a faithful adaptation of the book would look nothing like Blade Runner.

      Thank god Ridley Scott used creative license with BR. If BR was a faithful adaptation of DADOES it would have been a much weaker film (probably a snoozer, like the faithful adaptation that was the Lord of the Rings). DADOES is a quite minor PKD work, but BR is brilliant.

    24. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I remember reading it some years ago, but now I can't remember the author. I did read somewhere that the film company had bought the book's title from the author to stick it onto the movie.
      That would be Alan E. Nourse; he was a doctor who wrote a fair bit of SF, including the novel you describe, "The Bladerunners" from 1974.
    25. Re:I've think... by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 1

      kind of wish there was a version on DVD with the original cut, voice over and all. I didn't remember it being that bad. But perhaps watching it as something other than a teenager would change that.

      Not necessarily. Many voice-overs were actually a piece of fine literature, like the final monologue "I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life, anybody's life, my life or the quote replicants were not supposed to have feelings - neither the Blade Runners etc. One should definitely see both versions if he want to call himself proudly a genuine nerd!

    26. Re:I've think... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 1

      It's a complete novel, not a short story. You obviously haven't read it.

      And might I suggest the entire business of the artificial animals does more than hint at some kind of radioactive calamity.

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    27. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong... go back and reread it... Decker is thought to be an andrioid in the scene where he meets the russian android.. IIRC, he calls back to base and they think he is the android or something. For a few pages you as the reader have no idea if he is human or not!

    28. Re:I've think... by suchire · · Score: 1

      I obviously have, just mispoken. The entire business of artificial animals is almost completely missing in the movie. The fact that the main character is ashamed about having a faux animal, and the whole scene at the end with the frog, is essential to the point of the novel. The movie has nothing about this sort of thing. Nothing. No mercerism, no kipple, no lead cod-pieces, no mood machine, nothing.

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    29. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Director's cut doesn't hint at Deckard being a replicant, it smacks you over the head with it.

      The unicorn dream and Gant's origami unicorn = "We are monitoring your dreams"

      BTW, to the grandparent post, the Blade Runners are NOT bounty hunters, they're a special police unit.

    30. Re:I've think... by Golias · · Score: 1
      The unicorn dream and Gant's origami unicorn = "We are monitoring your dreams"

      No, the unicorn dream and Gant's origami unicorn means "we gave you your dreams." Subtle difference, but an important one to us geeky, pimple-faced fanboys.

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    31. Re:I've think... by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 1

      If I recall, it was the 'other' bounty hunter (who's name I can't recall and was not in the movie, unless Olmos' character was an adaptation) who was the android. The thing that sticks with me most from the book was the secret parallel society that the androids had created, which Deckard only gradually uncovers. Some plot to the effect that the androids are secretly taking over the planet as the humans flee for the off-world colonies. Wasn't there even a duplicate police headquarters where the other bounty hunter worked, who after meeting Deckard then realizes that he is the android?

      That, and the fascination with animals which somehow 'proved' your karma (or whatever it was) to everyone else -- and Deckard had only an android sheep since the real one had died years ago due to his poor caretaking..

      anyway, a while since read it...

    32. Re:I've think... by unother · · Score: 1

      Once you realise that the place he is in is Los Angeles, it becomes much clear how "unpleasant" the world has become.

    33. Re:I've think... by Pope · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was in "Starlog" magazine. One of the last interviews PKD ever gave, and he talks enthusiastically about the parts of the movie he had seen up to that point, and how he thought that Ford was "just perfect" as Deckard.

      I bought the magazine when it came out because of the big cover story on "Big Trouble In Little China," but was subsequently blown away by the inclusion of the PKD interview, 3 years after his death. It was a nice surprise. Still have the damn thing too. :)

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    34. Re:I've think... by ccp · · Score: 1

      Not only it wasn't "that bad", it was way better that the "director's cut".
      I see this last version as little more that a grab for a few extra dollars.

      I saw the original version in the theatre (yes, I'm really old), and the voice-over was half the atmosphere.

      "But then again, who does"

      Cheers,

    35. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other blade runner's name was "Holden."

      "Give it to Holden. He's good," says Deckard

      "Sure, he can breathe okay as long as nobody unplugs him," says Capt. Bryant.

    36. Re:I've think... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what's the point of all the questions asked in conjunction with the Voight-Kampf test? They virtually all relate to the crime/immorality of killing live animals. There's also the artificial snake scale that points Deckard in the right direction. And the very premise of the movie, the giant corporation that makes replicants--what's the point of replicants if you have plenty of healthy living humans to send offworld? There's not much in the movie that doesn't relate to artificial life forms. It's just not shoved down your throat like it is in the novel. It's a bit more subtle and requires a bit more thought to see it, but it's certainly there. And the kipple does in fact appear in the video game, though it's only hinted at by the polluted atmosphere of the movie and to some degree is transported INTO the city rather than left at the outskirts. In fact, it could be argued that the deserted apartment building in which the engineer lives IS on the outskirts. The dripping water certainly indicates it's in a rather rundown area, and Deckard is actually challenged by the police when he enters the area.

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    37. Re:I've think... by suchire · · Score: 1
      I don't normally nitpick other people's words, but since you nitpicked mine... "And the kipple does in fact appear in the video game"? Hello, we're talking about Ridley Scott's film here. Obviously, you are mistaken as to what medium you're talking about.

      This whole argument of yours is like saying that Kubrick's 2001 explains as much Clarke's, motivation-wise. Sure, theoretically you could guess what's going through Dave's mind at the end of the movie, but it's pretty obscure. The whole scene with the breaking glass? In the book, it was a revelation. In the movie, it was a "Huh?" moment.

      Of course Blade Runner has to do with artificial life forms; how can it not, except to really change the book? But there're so many themes in the book that aren't extrapolated in the movie, such as the significance of live animals, and the whole social culture of them. The movie doesn''t extrapolate the true meanings of the Voight-Kampf empathy tests. The random artificial owl and the engineer are left over characters/objects. All of these bare fragments are just relics from the book, devoid of their original meaning and included only as some sort of strange salute to their origins. With so many revisions and stringent editing, even some elements that the movie itself introduces have been gutted. The movie can't capture the entire world of the book. It just has a different scope, a different meaning; it's a completely different story aimed for a completely different purpose. It isn't Dick's "Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep." It's too different. The most it borrows is an empty framework in which to dump a bunch of other things. It's only based on Dick's story as much as Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" was based on H. G. Well's. These are areas where the movie basically takes the premise of the story, guts it of its plot, changes everything around (including adding new characters, removing others), and then parades it as a derivative. Blade Runner is as much based on Dick's novel as Salvador Dali's "Christ of Saint John of the Cross" is based on Massaccio's "Crucifixion", or Star Wars is based on Gilgamesh, The Odyssey, and the other classics. These are stretches. Dick's story was only a loose starting point, a jump-start from which to make their own story.

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    38. Re:I've think... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      I saw the original version in the theatre (yes, I'm really old), and the voice-over was half the atmosphere.
      Ditto and ditto.

      Oops, you can't buy the original version anymore?!

      Sigh, not lost like tears in rain, I hope?

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    39. Re:I've think... by Antaeus+Feldspar · · Score: 1

      Alan E. Nourse. Underappreciated writer of so-called sf "juveniles" which frequently put his medical background to good use.

      You are correct about the premise of the book, too. Health care had been all but outlawed (at least aboveground) on the Darwinian premise that giving less-adapted people assistance in surviving simply made the whole population less fit to survive on the average.

      Human nature, of course, guaranteed that a black market health care system would spring up, and the titular character The Bladerunner is one of a number of individuals who make their living smuggling medical supplies to the scene of illegal surgeries.

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    40. Re:I've think... by ccp · · Score: 1

      But my video club has a copy, so I see it again almost every year.

      The "director's cut" bombed here in South America.

      Cheers,

    41. Re:I've think... by instarx · · Score: 1

      I think you have it backwards. The written story definately lets you know Deckard is an android (or at least heavily hints at the possibility). In fact, I read the story after seeing Bladerunner, learned that Dekard was an android, and thought - "Oh, that explains a lot" about the movie.

    42. Re:I've think... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 1

      Gee, I love shooting at a moving target. Could you possibly throw in something about Jennifer Ruben's performance in Screamers? That would be really neat. I especially liked the nude scene...

      To be perfectly honest, I found the lead character in the novel's fixation with his mechanical sheep quite annoying and an utter waste of time. It's not till later when reality starts to shift on him that he starts to become interesting. As in many of Dick's novels, there are two main phases of the story, and like those the second part is the one that makes it worth reading and the one upon which the movie is mainly based. Does anyone seriously think all that sheep nonsense would have added to the movie?

      As for the game, it is based rather closely on the film, down to the characters and the locations and the voice overs (with the exception of Deckard himself). The game provides a good opportunity to examine some of the premises of the movie, including a much better developed version of the Deckard as replicant variant. There are several endings in the game and the points of divergence involve whether Deckard kills the replicant at any particular point.

      I really don't see gutting as you describe it. What I see is a different slice taken through the same four-dimensional world. As in most of Dick's novels, he's not telling a story so much as he's describing a world, a world as viewed by an everyman and not a hero. As such, I think it's valid to replace that everyman by another whose experiences may be different but just as interesting, and whose world is the same.

      As for kipple, it's just Dick's way of limiting the geography of the world, the way RPGs like to place impenetrable forests and mountains at the edges of their worlds so it's not so obvious you can't get out. The alternative is a barracade on the road as in The Thirteenth Floor, a much less satisfactory device.

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    43. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, Zepp's missing the point is one thing, but modding the post as "Informative"???

      A pity it showed up in my batch of meta-mods...

      Unequivocally
      Not
      For one minute
      At all resembling something which can be called
      Informative.
      Really!

    44. Re:I've think... by 87C751 · · Score: 1
      Alan E. Nourse. Underappreciated writer of so-called sf "juveniles" which frequently put his medical background to good use.
      That's it! Damn hard to find from the look of it. Amazon doesn't show a single hit.
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    45. Re:I've think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you fucking nuts? in the book it is made explicitly clear that Deckard is an android.

  5. Re:Whodat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I would say not, based on the fact that they have different last names. However, I could be wrong.

  6. Gnosticism and insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Philip K. Dick was, especially in his later works (Valis, for example) strongly influenced by Gnosticism; the article fails to mention this, but there's an interesting essay exploring some of the connections here, for those interested.

    (Unrelated, but still amusing, is this letter that he wrote to the FBI, accusing Stanislaw Lem of being a "composite committee". Fun stuff.)

  7. Well he did at least like the blade runner intro by msgmonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    The people who did the special effects for blade runner played him the begining sequence when it was done and he said it was just how he imagined the future when he wrote do andriods dream of electric sheep so atleast they got one thing right.

  8. A Scanner Darkly - Movie by nan0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    it's been rumored for years that A Scanner Darkly has been in production - by the same team that did GATTACA. i've been looking quite forward to it, but seems to have gone the way of chris cunningham doing Neuromancer... vaporware...

    1. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by FiloEleven · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure how to feel about that. On one hand, I think A Scanner Darkly is one of the most incredible stories ever written, but on the other hand is the fact that movies often destroy or pervert the original meaning. If done right, I think the movie could be very powerful...not something to watch just for kicks, though.

    2. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by nan0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      movies ruin books is a common sentiment that i don't necessarily believe in: perhpas it's really just a matter of generational translation... and i DO believe that a good movie based on a good book will make more people *read the book* - hell even a bad movie may make more people read the book. so on the basic level, i think a movie is just a big ad for the book, and all ads suck by default. yet gattaca was awesome IMO - so if there's any existing team that could do it gracefully, it's them. IMO scanner darkly IS perhaps the most audience-friendly movie, single punchline, cute girl stealing coca cola, basically it's non-action, drama, and it is less n-dimensional than pkd's other stuff (valis for instance) so lends itself well to tasteful adaptation. IE don't need special effects, just good script & acting. blade runner was awesome - but only had 3 scenes in common with book. cunninham doing neuromancer... sigh. will never happen. and frankly i don't know if it should. cheers nano

    3. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Holi · · Score: 1

      Ahh the infamous Neuromancer script. I happen to have had a copy in my greedy little hands. (unfortunatly it went the same place as everything else, with my ex-wife.) But the time is up and has been for awhile, the rights have been transferred back to Gibson. So if you think you can do it right why not try and contact him.

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    4. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I think Soderberg and Clooney snapped it up and handed it to Richard Linklater and Bob Sabiston, who together made "Waking Life", but I could be wrong. I had heard before that Charlie Kaufman, of "Adaptation" and "Being John Malkovich", was working on it.

      I also am not sure if I want to see this adapted for the screen, it is almost too good. They had better do a damn good job!

    5. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by nan0 · · Score: 1

      wicked. i gotta know - did the hitachi still only have 3 MB ram in the script? i hope they didn't update that ;D

    6. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      It needs a small amount of special effects that should be easily done, but obviously could get blown out of proportion in Hollywood. Remember Bob Arctor's suit for meeting with his superior?

      Otherwise, I think you're right, and I'm just being pedantic.

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    7. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Danse · · Score: 1

      Well, if you go and die before the movies are made, then you lose all right to bitch about them. That's just the way the world works. Of course if you leave a devoted fan base, they can bitch on your behalf. Of course most people will just write them off as whining geeks that have nothing better to do with their time.

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    8. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy...

    9. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by osdnboss2 · · Score: 1
      www.beingcharliekaufman.com/scanner.pdf

      Enjoy...

    10. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by nan0 · · Score: 1

      how to make a scramble suit: wear white suit. wear white makeup. project video on yourself. orient camera accordingly. used well, IMO, that would totally work. but you're right, no way hollywood goes for a melies-esque hack over contracting ILM or pixar to overdo it.

    11. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      The Hitachi deck '133t because it does what it does in only 3 MB! heh heh!
      Like running *nix from a floppy.

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    12. Re:A Scanner Darkly - Movie by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Hey, I like it! Very creative! One step below using a green suit and pulling a matte (which is technically possible with off the shelf software, just hard to do in practice). Still, I like your idea a lot, and might have to steal it someday.

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  9. The article is too much of a stretch by Red+Pointy+Tail · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... Dick articulated the concept in a 1977 speech in which he posited the existence of multiple realities overlapping the "matrix world" that most of us experience. Vanilla Sky, with its dizzying shifts between fantasy and fact, likewise ventures into a Dickian warp zone, as does Dark City, The Thirteenth Floor, and David Cronenberg's eXistenZ. Memento reprises Dick's memory obsession by focusing on a man whose attempts to avenge his wife's murder are complicated by his inability to remember anything. In The Truman Show, Jim Carrey discovers the life he's living is an illusion, an idea Dick developed in his 1959 novel Time Out of Joint. Next year, Carrey and Kate Winslet will play a couple who have their memories of each other erased in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Memory, paranoia, alternate realities: Dick's themes are everywhere.

    Much as Wired writers like to sensationalize everything nowadays, it is too much of a stretch to attribute all 'false realities' stories to Dick. Philosophers going back to Plato and Descartes have explored doubt of their external realities. They are certainly NOT Dick's themes.
    1. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by gilroy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Philosophers going back to Plato and Descartes have explored doubt of their external realities. They are certainly NOT Dick's themes.

      I think that's being unfair. "The psychological effects and costs of ambition have been done since the Greeks -- they certainly are not Shakespeare's themes." Hmmm. Reads a bit off, doesn't it? The Wired author probably is a little breahtless (in Wired? Really?) But these are "Dick's themes" in that they are themes he explored exhaustively. While it would be hyperbole to trace all such stories back to Dick, it would be a disservice to pretend he has not had a major impact on stories with such themes. In fact, I do not believe it too gross an exaggeration to claim that he has more impact in this subgenre than any other single person.
    2. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Philosophers going back to Plato and Descartes have explored doubt of their external realities. They are certainly NOT Dick's themes.

      They cerainly were his themes. If you mean, "did he invent them", he didn't. But he used the ideas as the underpinnings of most of his fiction, and he was very influential not just on readers but on other writers as well as film makers in bringing these ideas into popular culture. As a 12-year old I didn't read much Descartes or Plato (and, I must admit, still haven't), but I did devour Dick's novels.

    3. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by ziggles · · Score: 1

      It is kinda funny that they mention Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind though, because the writer of that movie (Charlie Kaufman) also wrote a screenplay adaptation of A Scanner Darkly.

    4. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by quake74 · · Score: 1

      For a good analisys of the relations between PKD and philosophy I strongly suggest reading Visioni dal Futuro. Yes, it's in italian. Just learn the damn language, will ya?!

    5. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by Monk[Deviant+Form] · · Score: 2

      maybe :)
      but if anyone was a visionary in the 50's imho it was Dick.for all the bright utopia's we were promised both in sci-fi and reality philip k. dick's visions of the future are chillingly close.
      good sci-fi can take philosophical ideas to their extreme,to iluminate,and sometimes show the glaring weaknesses of those ideas.
      for me some of philip dicks more interesting works where those dealing with mental illness and physical handicaps and challenging common perception thereof.

      and all his interesting thoughts sold for pennies and published in trashy publications with covers of busty maidens being pawed by evil aliens

    6. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by laird · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Much as Wired writers like to sensationalize everything nowadays, it is too much of a stretch to attribute all 'false realities' stories to Dick. Philosophers going back to Plato and Descartes have explored doubt of their external realities. They are certainly NOT Dick's themes."

      I think you're reading the sentence wrong -- the claim isn't that PKD "owns" the themes of paranoia, memory and alternate realities -- the claim is that paranoia, memory and alternate realities were the themes that underlay his writing. And it's also pretty obvious that PKD's work was a massive influence on writers that followed him. And given how obsessively he dwelt on those themes, even though he didn't invent them, they've become "his".

      As a side note, it left out Confessions d'un Barjo.

      And just 'cause I can, a few cool PKD lines:

      "This was what happened to all the things that came out of the wet earth, out of the filthy slime and mold. All things that lived, big and little. They appeared, struggling out of the sticky wetness. And then, after a time, they died."

      "I mean, after all; you have to consider, we're only made out of dust. That's admittedly not much to go on and we shouldn't forget that. But even considering, I mean it's a sort of bad beginning, we're not doing to bad. So I personally have faith that even in this lousy situation we're faced with we can make it. You get me?"

      "Can we consider the universe real, and if so, in what way?"

      "I hear voices from another star. (I clocked it once, and reception is best between 3:00 A.M. and 4:45 A.M.). Of course, I don't usually tell people this when they ask, 'Say where do you get your ideas?' I just say I don't know. It's safer."

      "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, does not go away."

      "The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."

      "Anything you think may be held against you."

      You get the idea...

    7. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. If there is any chance of the movie translation being decent, it would be if Kaufman penned the script. Maybe Spike could direct.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    8. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by born_to_live_forever · · Score: 1

      In fact, there is no need to hark back to Plato and Descartes for philosophical precedents to the "reality-skeptic" story type. There is ample precedent in modern science fiction, before Dick's 1977 speech - most notably Daniel F. Galouye's 1964 novel Simulacron-3, which was the basis for both Rainer Werner Fassbinder's excellent 1970s TV series Welt am Draht ("World on a string") and for the film The Thirteenth Floor.

      As a somewhat OT digression, I note that Vanilla Sky is a remake (with the same delectable female lead, Penelope Cruz, now unfortunately paired with the wimpy Tom Cruise instead of her original lead Eduardo Noriega) of a Spanish film written and directed by Alejandro Amenabar. I have no idea whether Amenabar was directly inspired by Galouye, though he must have been familiar with Fassbinder's TV series - his stuff is mandatory curriculum for aspiring European filmmakers. And, of course, he will have seen The Matrix (which, while it is generally poor science fiction, is an excellent action film).

      --

      - Peter Ravn Rasmussen

    9. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by Cally · · Score: 1
      My favourite PKD quote, taken from some notes for a speech he gave at a Canadian SF convention, is in my sig (in a somewhat shortened form, but the meaning of what he said is preserved.) Clear evidence that saturating your brain with vast quantities of mind-bending drugs *can* have a beneficial effect on the quality of your work - albeit at the price of rendering you paranoia-crippled, emotionally fscked up and generally A Bit Strange.

      (Note to wannabee authors: in the 40s, 50s and 60s many jazz musicians got into very, very bad drugs because they wanted to emulate Charlie Parker. Of course it didn't work - a mediocre talent with an opiate addiction is still a mediocre talent. )

      --
      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
    10. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish people wouldn't just refer to their sigs without quoting them. It's very annoying for those of us who use the "remove sig" option.

      (For great justice!)

    11. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      I wish people wouldn't just refer to their sigs without quoting them. It's very annoying for those of use who use the "remove sig" option.

      I find people who post anonymously complaining about something they control to be annoying.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    12. Re:The article is too much of a stretch by wavedeform · · Score: 1
      There is an explicit PKD reference in eXistenZ. The place that they get burgers from is called Perky Pats. You can read the bag quite clearly.

      I thought that the PKD estate should get some sort of royalty from Cronenberg for eXistenZ. Not that I didn't like it; in fact I thought it was quite good.

  10. another side of the man by anon+coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A while back there here was a good interview with Tim Powers that shows PKD from a different perspective:

    "He was a great guy to hang around. If you just read his biographies, you could get the idea that he was just a doper visionary, a crazy man -- and if you just read the biographies, yes, that's the conclusion you'd come to -- but actually, he was totally sane and just the funniest guy you'd ever hope to met. Also the nicest guy. At a crowded party, if he saw some ill-at-ease person who didn't know anybody just kind of hanging by the punch bowl, he'd go over and strike up a conversation. He was always very unaffectedly interested in what you were doing."

    http://www.powells.com/authors/powers.html

    1. Re:another side of the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi. Mucho props for the Powells link. Power, Portland brother!

    2. Re:another side of the man by laird · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's the entire reference to PKD. It's very cool. Go to http://www.powells.com/authors/powers.html to read the entire interview...

      Powers: I met him in '72, when he flew down to Orange County, California. His house had been blown up by unknown evil powers - which really had happened; I've seen photos. He was really just homeless. He flew down to stay with two young ladies who had just lost a roommate and needed somebody to make up the rent, and I knew the two young ladies.

      Luckily, I hadn't read more than maybe a couple short stories of his at the time because I would have been just choked with awe. I got to know him, and my wife met him when we started going, which would have been the late seventies. We were there when the paramedics took him out of his apartment in '82.

      He was a great guy to hang around. If you just read his biographies, you could get the idea that he was just a doper visionary, a crazy man - and if you just read the biographies, yes, that's the conclusion you'd come to - but actually, he was totally sane and just the funniest guy you'd ever hope to meet. Also the nicest guy. At a crowded party, if he saw some ill-at-ease person who didn't know anybody just kind of hanging by the punch bowl, he'd go over and strike up a conversation. He was always very unaffectedly interested in what you were doing.

      I don't know to what extent his work has influenced mine. I've now read all his stuff. He was a natural genius. He could sit down and in twelve days turn out an absolutely brilliant book. He wouldn't sleep or eat, but he could do it in twelve days - almost as if he'd got his fingers stuck in a light socket. It would be hard to emulate that. You can just admire it.

      Dave: Is there a book of his that you find above and beyond the rest? Do you have a favorite?

      Powers: I think my favorite of his is Martian Time-Slip. It's just a dazzling book. I'm glad his books have started to be published by Vintage. It's fun to see such dignified heavyweight F. Scott Fitzgerald-type books with titles likeMartian Time-Slip. It's nice that he's got himself into that hallowed venue.

    3. Re:another side of the man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hi. Mucho props for the Powells link. Power, Portland brother!

      Don't mind this guy, he's from Oregon. I swear, there must be something in the water.

  11. X Minus 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some of the PKD's best work appeared on the radio drama "X Minus 1". It was a Twilight Zone type radio drama which played for many years. There are mp3s of these shows floating around the net, maybe even on Kaaza. Worth the hunt.

    1. Re:X Minus 1 by meeotch · · Score: 2, Informative
      Some googling gives:

      5-22-56 "The Defenders" (ep. 52)
      10-10-56 "Colony" (ep. 70)

      as the Dick episodes. I wonder if these are PD now? (Originally NBC, but I've seen some low-rent looking CD's for sale on the net.)

      mitch

  12. Directed by Cronenburg ? by barre · · Score: 0

    The last thing a guy named Cronenburg would direct is a beer commercial. I think the one you were looking for was Cronenberg. David. Sounds pretty much the same. Tastes different.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000343/

  13. PkD by dTaylorSingletary · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Phillip K. Dick has been one of my favorite authors for a long time now. My mind bends along the same tunnels he trodded. The pink light, the red curtains, the overlapping of realities.

    I hope that we can some day see his notes on the Owl in Daylight (the novel he never finished/or pretty much even began) because from what exists in his thought patterns in What if our world is their Heaven? -- it was to be a classic work.

    Valis is required reading, but it must come to someone at the right time. If at the wrong time they may never touch it again. Ubik would make a fantastic film, as would A Scanner Darkly.

    I had read awhile back that Richard Linklater was interested in doing an animated Scanner Darkly, and I think that would have worked out really well. Still, Soderberg would be able to pick up on the needed subtleties in that novel. George Clooney as Bob Arctor could definitley work out well.

    The Man in the High Castle also would make a great movie. Hollywood needs to focus on his novels. His short stories just barely scratched the surface of what he was trying to reveal. Perhaps that is why they have been used mostly to date, because they are more skeletal and can be mutated into a product easily.

    --
    d. Taylor Singletary,
    reality technician techra.el
    1. Re:PkD by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 1
      Ubik would make a fantastic film,

      I've always maintained that Disney's "Tron" was an unofficial adaptation of PKD's "Ubik" (The novel which turned me on to PKD as a kid when I found it on a rack at a 7/11 store). "Tron" isn't as close to the original story as some other PKD adaptations, but it's close enough, and a watchable film for it's day.

  14. Clever Girl by BlackTriangle · · Score: 0

    Paycheck director John Woo made his name with violent ballets of bullets; his new inspiration: CmdrTaco's raw asshole.

    1. Re:Clever Girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you a girl, Black Triangle?

  15. Re:I'm sure I'm not alone on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fail to see how this post is offtopic. It seems to relate directly to the topic at hand. Someone please explain where I am going wrong.

  16. Short Stories to the Silver Screen by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Man in the High Castle also would make a great movie. Hollywood needs to focus on his novels. His short stories just barely scratched the surface of what he was trying to reveal. Perhaps that is why they have been used mostly to date, because they are more skeletal and can be mutated into a product easily.

    This is true of not only PKD, but of all novels in general. It's much easier to take a short story and pad it out to a feature length movie, than to take an existing novel-length story, cut out everything that won't work visually (remember, movies are about showing, not telling), and then try and bandage what's left into a cohesive plot. Also consider that much of the richness of the novel will be lost, as we don't have the available screen time to follow everybody's POV, or to track multiple storylines and/or subplots. Pretty much as a rule, writers try and find a central theme in a novel, pick out a few characters and main events, keep the time and setting (sometimes - sometimes not in the event of The 13th Floor), and write everything else from scratch.

    Novella-sized stories, written in a cinematic style are easiest to translate to screen time, but even then, film being the collaborative medium it is, you got a lot of cooks, and a potentially spoiled broth...

  17. Re:Well he did at least like the blade runner intr by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Blade Runner is in general an excellent movie, in a way totally unlike Total Recall, which I enjoyed just as much as BR, but in a completely different fashion. I bought blade runner before total recall. Oh and, that other total recall movie, total recall 2070, is so bad it makes the acting in the first season of Babylon 5 look like Keanu Reeves in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, which is to say, someone playing the role they were born to play. TR 2070 is more like janitors acting on the set they were born to sweep up.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  18. Lost Highway by YoungBonzi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    David Lynch has a movie called Lost Highway that deals with multiple/parallel realities. I actually didn't understand it, does anyone here know what I'm talking about? I've watched it about 5 times and can't figure it out!

    1. Re:Lost Highway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Try the message boards at IMDd. They'll spell it out for you.

      Then go watch Eraserhead.

    2. Re:Lost Highway by YoungBonzi · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip. I found a really interesting explanation that makes sense. I can see it now, amazing! I'll check out Eraserhead, a 7.0 rating on IMDB holds a lot of weight.

    3. Re:Lost Highway by YoungBonzi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It is go watch it!

    4. Re:Lost Highway by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You're not meant to understand david lynch movies (or TV shows for that matter.) Just sit back, and let your brain go for a ride. It helps to be in a meditative state at the time.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    5. Re:Lost Highway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always thought the plotline for Lost Highway resembled a Moebius strip, and perhaps was made with this in mind, the twist in the strip, and the plot, being when the story switches from Bill Pullman to the kid.

    6. Re:Lost Highway by 33degrees · · Score: 1

      It helps to be in a meditative state at the time.

      Is that a euphemism for being stoned out of your tree?

    7. Re:Lost Highway by orthancstone · · Score: 1

      I, like some other people I've read in opinions regarding LH, think that Lynch really doesn't have any one idea on what that movie should be. There is just so much you can derive/hypothesize on that just sends you in loops/contradictions/etc. Mindboggling :/.

    8. Re:Lost Highway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, one more thing. Run and rent Mulholland Dr. It is by far my favorite David Lynch movie,. Visually stunning, amazing performances, and captivating throughout.

    9. Re:Lost Highway by moranar · · Score: 1

      Googling for it will get you to some interesting takes on that movie. I can't find now what I read at the time of watching the movie, but there are two things I remember well:

      • The core of the story is based on a mental disease Lynch heard about, featuring a total oblivion of one's self and an an identification with someone else. You would forget who you were and acquire a completely different personality to escape from your problems.
      • The movie is cyclical. The idea was, I think, that you could go into the cinema at any time in the movie, leave at the same point afterwards, and "get" the same story.

      Hope this helped.

      --
      "I think it would be a good idea!"
      Gandhi, about Internet Security
    10. Re:Lost Highway by lumpenprole · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's pretty easy. David Lynch is a lame filmmaker (with an admittedly amazing eye) who is given big checks to make movies by hollywood so that they can drag people into the mall who would otherwise be out looking for real art films. If you'd like to see what a real visionary can do with the same themes, watch any Jodorowsky film.

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      Disclaimer: MINAA (Mummy! I'm Not An Animal!)
    11. Re:Lost Highway by grumpoxl · · Score: 1

      Both Lynch's Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive are very similar -- something happens that the protagonist cannot accept, so they relive the past in a different way in an attempt to cope. I'm a huge Lynch fan, although I didn't really dig Wild at Heart.

    12. Re:Lost Highway by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I chose this particular phrase because you can get there a number of ways and still enjoy Lynch's product. Just staring at a 60Hz CRT for long enough will pretty much do it on its own (Especially if you've been up for 24 hours or so already, because you're watching the whole series in a marathon viewing effort.)

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  19. Vanilla Sky by Gorimek · · Score: 1

    At least Vanilla Sky is very close to (some would say ripoff) Dick's Ubik. I would go into why, but it would be a spoiler for both the book and movie.

    Haven't seen several of the others, and haven't read all of Dick either, so I won't comment on them.

  20. Re:I'm sure I'm not alone on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You assume that moderators use common sense. Thats where you went wrong.

  21. I did RTFA... by pq · · Score: 2, Informative
    and now I want to see Paycheck.

    ...the bio lab, a rainforest of orchids and bromeliads and water lilies and trees reaching up to the ceiling, interspersed with catwalks and robot arms. This is Uma's domain. On the other side, behind an enormous door, is the computer lab Ben is about to disappear into. When he emerges, three years later, it will be with his memory wiped. But on his way in, he captures Uma's attention. Mischievously, she hits him with a blast of air almost strong enough to bowl him over. "I give up! I give up!" he cries, slicking back his hair. In a flash a robot arm swings in front of him, halting an inch or two from his face. In its pincers, a yellow orchid.

    "Don't give up," Uma says softly.

    Hmmm. How come I haven't seen any previews for this? It's a great article, BTW: the table at the end is hilarious. For Minority Report, which grossed $132 million, Dick got $130. That's it. I'll refrain from the obvious "he got dick" joke...

    --
    "I will take the Ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."
    1. Re:I did RTFA... by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I saw a preview for this as a trailer at Revolutions. It looks interesting, but I'm nervous about Dick stories becoming films. Total Recall was completely unDickian in tone and style; Imposter was closer, but lacked the kind of paranoid tension that would have given the movie meaning.

      Three ideal PKD books/stories to make movies of: 1. Electric Ant, 2. The Unteleported Man, 3. the most obvious of all, The Man in the High Tower.

    2. Re:I did RTFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/paycheck/

    3. Re:I did RTFA... by Danse · · Score: 1

      Looks really cool, but I stopped it halfway through... didn't want to reveal any more than that... they tend to go overboard in the trailers..

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      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    4. Re:I did RTFA... by blueworld · · Score: 1

      I also saw the trailer before Revolutions. I hadn't heard of the movie coming out, nowhere was Philip K. Dick mentioned, but I recognized the story. It definitely might turn out a good movie.

    5. Re:I did RTFA... by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      There was some reference to "the author" who was the source for the stories used in (I think they mentioned) Minority Report and Total Recall; at any rate, they did mention a couple of Dick-based movies.

      Another interesting thing in the story is that movies are planned of Radio Free Albemuth and Valis. I would assume that ONE movie, a Valis movie, would be made incorporating stuff from RFA, since RFA is so much like Valis that it is usually assumed (I think Dick even said as much) that Valis was in effect a rewrite of RFA.

  22. recent 'interview' with PKD at frontwheeldrive by quiddity · · Score: 2, Funny

    a good, fictitious, interview interview with Philip K Dick

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    . hmmm
  23. On The Edge Of Blade Runner Quote by limekiller4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know how PKD felt about Total Recall, but according to the documentary On The Edge Of Blade Runner:

    Philip K. Dick was reasonably unhappy. Katie Haber gave me a call and said, "put together the best of the best in a reel," and ...it was left to me to go in with a few of my key people and [Dick] and his friend go down and sit in the screening room and uh ...and he said very little and I said, "Roll it." And it went dark. The ten minutes of optical takes ran, the lights came up, Philip turned around, looked me right in the eyes and he says, "How is this possible? I don't understand this." He says, "This feels exactly like what I had in my head when I was writing it. How does this happen?" At that moment it was probably the best moment in my career because I said (making fist), "We nailed it."

    - David Dryer, Visual Effects Supervisor ("Blade Runner")

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    My .02,
    Limekiller
    1. Re:On The Edge Of Blade Runner Quote by limekiller4 · · Score: 1

      Nevermind, he died (1982) before Total Recall was filmed (1990).

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      My .02,
      Limekiller
    2. Re:On The Edge Of Blade Runner Quote by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Given that he'd been dead over ten years, he probably didn't think anything of all about Total Recall

      --
      The cake is a pie
    3. Re:On The Edge Of Blade Runner Quote by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

      You insensitive clod. Are you telling me that PKD didn't go to Heaven?

    4. Re:On The Edge Of Blade Runner Quote by guybarr · · Score: 2, Funny


      Are you telling me that PKD didn't go to Heaven ?

      Of course he did. And didn't.

      --
      Working for necessity's mother.
  24. Some of PkD's Best Work was SciFi Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true of not only PKD, but of all novels in general. It's much easier to take a short story and pad it out to a feature length movie, than to take an existing novel-length story, cut out everything that won't work visually (remember, movies are about showing, not telling), and then try and bandage what's left into a cohesive plot. Also consider that much of the richness of the novel will be lost, as we don't have the available screen time to follow everybody's POV, or to track multiple storylines and/or subplots. Pretty much as a rule, writers try and find a central theme in a novel, pick out a few characters and main events, keep the time and setting (sometimes - sometimes not in the event of The 13th Floor), and write everything else from scratch.

  25. Creativity and insanity by Multiple+Independent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently ran across two articles about the strong links between creativity and insanity, and thought them relevant to any discussion of PKD -- his methamphetamine abuse left him more or less permanently schizophrenic, but the quality of his work did not suffer: quite the contrary.

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    Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
  26. Why PKD resonates today by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "In a 1978 essay he wrote: "We live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups. I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudorealities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. "

    Doesn't this just ring true? We see politicians create anti-spam bills that will create more spam, help Medicare bills that will gut Medicare, Clean Air Acts designed to allow our air to get dirtier, acts to "save" the forests by cutting down the trees. We see propaganda from foreign news sources, and, sadly, from our own. We see commercials that say one thing while we know reality is the opposite. We "see" things on football fields and behind baseball diamonds that are not actually at the stadiums. We see Times Square electronically made over in order to insert a billboard that is not there in real life. We see Wall Street promising to get tough on corporate crime, while analysts give buy ratings to SCO.

    We live a PKD existence! That's why his story themes resonate so strongly with us. We recognize it. Every day.

    1. Re:Why PKD resonates today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up through the roof. +2,000 Insightful.

    2. Re:Why PKD resonates today by joepa · · Score: 1

      [...] We recognize it. Every day.

      As long as we recognize pseudoreality, then there is still hope for us. When we finally fail to distinguish between truth and lies, then we will be at the mercy of the reality-makers. Perhaps, in some respects, PKD wasn't as radically paranoid as he is often made out to be.

    3. Re:Why PKD resonates today by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Do you want to know what PKD's themes are?

      His themes are everywhere, they are all around us, even now on this very blog. You can see them when you look out your window, or when you turn on you television. You can feel them when you go to work, and when you go to church or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth!

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    4. Re:Why PKD resonates today by skippy_twin · · Score: 1
      Ummmm....You forgot
      We have "tax simplification" bills that only encompass 3000 pages.
      Every politician ever in the history of time has promised to lower taxes, yet not once has my yearly tax bill gone down.
      Apologies, and thanks to Dave Barry.
    5. Re:Why PKD resonates today by dbIII · · Score: 1
      We live a PKD existence! That's why his story themes resonate so strongly with us. We recognize it. Every day.
      It's because the empire never ended.

      "Valis" was about that sort of thing. One one level it's about the delusions of someone that's had too many drugs - but these delusions pose the questions we don't ask because our culture has made us take a lot of ideas (as mundane as rail gauge) that we have inherited and adapted from - among other things, interactions between pagan and Christian Romans. Not a good book for someone that cannot have their ideas challanged by even fictional characters that suffer hallucinations.

    6. Re:Why PKD resonates today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FunWithHeadlines wrote:
      >
      > Doesn't this just ring true? We see politicians create anti-spam bills
      > that will create more spam, help Medicare bills that will gut Medicare,
      > Clean Air Acts designed to allow our air to get dirtier, acts to "save"
      > the forests by cutting down the trees. We see propaganda from foreign
      > news sources, and, sadly, from our own. We see commercials that say one
      > thing while we know reality is the opposite. We "see" things on football
      > fields and behind baseball diamonds that are not actually at the
      > stadiums. We see Times Square electronically made over in order to
      > insert a billboard that is not there in real life. We see Wall Street
      > promising to get tough on corporate crime, while analysts give buy
      > ratings to SCO.

      "There are the great myths, of happiness, of freedom, of triumphant motherhood, there is realism, optimism -- and then, there are Americans who are nothing at first, who grow up among these colossal statues and who get by as they can in their midst... there is... the myth of freedom and the dictatorship of public opinion... There is the smiling belief in progress and the pessimism of those intellectuals who think that action is impossible... There are pretty and clean little houses, whitewashed apartments with a radio, a rocking-chair, a pipe in its case, little heavens, and then there are the occupants of those apartments who, after dinner, leave rocking-chair, radio, wife, pipe and children behind and get drunk all by themselves in the bar next door. Nowehere maybe will one find such a gap between people and myths, between life and the collective representation of life." --Jean Paul Sarte writing of America in 1949

    7. Re:Why PKD resonates today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said.

    8. Re:Why PKD resonates today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We live a PKD existence! That's why his story themes resonate so strongly with us. We recognize it. Every day.

      I think he even predicted "spam". In Simulacra he has a character attacked by a fly which is really a little robot trying to break into his car and bombard him with advertisements!

  27. Re:Phillip K Dick gives nice hummers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The genre's called slash fan fiction. Search for it on goggle for a good time (some people really are fucked up).

  28. Cool stuff here for fans by BiOFH · · Score: 1

    http://www.philipkdick.com/pkdweb/etcetera.htm
    An d check out the rest of the (new) site, too.
    http://www.philipkdick.com

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  29. Paycheck for PKD was bad! by NortWind · · Score: 2, Redundant

    GO to the chart at the bottom of the article. The movies BLADE RUNNER (1982), SCREAMERS (1996), IMPOSTOR (2002), MINORITY REPORT (2002) had a total gross of over $170,000,000.
    PKD got paid under $2,000 for all these combined. That's a 0.001% slice of the gross!

    1. Re:Paycheck for PKD was bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > GO to the chart at the bottom of the article. The movies BLADE RUNNER
      > (1982), SCREAMERS (1996), IMPOSTOR (2002), MINORITY REPORT (2002) had a
      > total gross of over $170,000,000.
      >
      > PKD got paid under $2,000 for all these combined. That's a 0.001% slice
      > of the gross!

      Don't forget the blockbusters "Total Recall", based on PKD's "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" and "The Truman Show", based on Dick's "Time Out of Joint".

      Also it's worth mentioning John Campbell, literary giant from the "Golden Age of Science Fiction", refused to even publish Dick in Analog, the most prestegious magazine of science fiction, because he found Dick's work merely "neurotic".

      Take heart blossoming writers. We will make you a star, after you're dead.

    2. Re:Paycheck for PKD was bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and there was also "The Terminator", which was clearly based on Dick's "Second Variety" (also made in to the awful "Screamers"). The royalties he should be getting from that and the sequels would probably dwarf the other movies made from his books.

      And, between "The Terminator" and "Total Recall", which were both immensely successful, PKD could almost be said to be responsible for Arnold Schwartzenneger's whole career. Kind of scary, and ironic, considering how much PKD hated fascists and media personalities, especially media personalities who took political office. Hey! Wait a minute! Are we living a PKD book here?

    3. Re:Paycheck for PKD was bad! by MarkLR · · Score: 1

      The amounts listed are what Dick was paid for the stories' first appearance in SF magazines. For later films such as Imposter and Minority Report his estate may have been paid much more. It is certainly being paid more now:

      From the article: Paycheck, based on a 1953 short story Dick sold to a pulp magazine for less than $200, will bring close to $2 million to his estate.

  30. PKD would have liked his movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think PKD would have hated the movies made of his books. First of all, he died broke--he would have dug the cash. Also, in "Shifting Realities of PKD", one of his letters/journal entries states he liked Star Wars and understood that movie Sci-Fi can still be good when dumbed down to make room for visuals. After all, that's half the reason of making a movie--to make something to look at. He was only able to see some dailies and effects tests of Bladerunner before he croaked, but I think he dug those too (not sure)...of course I haven't read this article yet because I'm lazy.

  31. Re:Well he did at least like the blade runner intr by FromWithin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In defence of Total Recall 2070, that "movie" is just the first two episodes of the series welded together. I thought it was a bit cheesy at first, but continued watching anyway. It turned out that the series itself is really good as a whole, one of the best SciFi series I've seen. It has virtually nothing to do with the Arnie film, apart from the fact that there is a company called Rekall. It deals with some really interesting ideas to do with mind control, religion, androids, drug use, and all kinds of stuff in later episodes. It's a shame it got killed after one season, but at least the end ties up quite nicely.

  32. Re:Phillip K Dick gives nice hummers by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    It's (hopefully) a parody of what is known as K/S fiction, the K being for Kirk, the S for Spock. The genre, as you guessed, is wider than just Star Trek characters.

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  33. Re:CHING CHONG WALLA WALLA BING BONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That posting owns, keep them coming brudda.

  34. Nice to see an article on PKD but... by jbum · · Score: 0

    this one's really a just fluff piece to promote "Paycheck."

  35. I want to thank Frank Rose by laird · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just want to thank the author of the article for mentioning the lesser known movies based on PKD's works (Screamers and Imposter) -- I'm a huge PKD fan, and now I've got a few interesting movies to go rent. I recommend reading all of PKD's short stories. They've been collected into a series of four books, and you can read through them all in a few weeks. And those weeks will be really odd, enlightening weeks. They'll mess with your mind, and cleanse your soul. Go to Amazon and search for "Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick".

    1. Re:I want to thank Frank Rose by donweel · · Score: 1

      I think Imposter is well worth renting. I rented it not realising I had already seen it and it was worth watching a second time. I really like the statment at the end, "Did you know him," "I would like to think so" He replies. I will have to look for Screamers.

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    2. Re:I want to thank Frank Rose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screamers and Impostor are both garbage.

      The funny thing bout Impostor is how they had to recycle footage and props from Starship Troopers. They show clips of from Starship Troopers when showing war footage, and all the troops in the movie wear old Starship Troopers uniforms. The movie is horrible--it was originally a 45 minute segment in a 3-segment movie (ala Creepshow) but they decided to stretch it into feature length. Bad ided.

      Screamers is horrible too. But hey it's got Peter Weller in it. It's better than Impostor--I guess. I haven't watched it since it came out in the theaters some 10 years ago or so.

      Barjo is kinda funny. A Scanner Darkly has been in the works in one way or another forever. (Then again Screamers had been in development since the '70s!) There's also an Ubik screenplay written by PKD himself but it's been out of print for years and costs a mint to get used.

  36. Re:His best novel was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Mr AC welcome back - we missed you!"

  37. Best one by t0ny · · Score: 1

    I would *really* like to see somebody do a faithful translation of "Ubik"

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    1. Re:Best one by aled · · Score: 1

      You mean you really want someone to alter reality in a way that the universe becomes conscious and really hate you? May be you just want people to put mind altering drugs in water to avoid having to go buy them :-)

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    2. Re:Best one by t0ny · · Score: 1
      ?

      No, I just really liked the story Ubik, and would like to see it made into a movie. The premise is very good, so I would like to see somebody retain some of the more interesting (and entertaining) parts.

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  38. More Dickian Movies by SEGV · · Score: 1

    Some other movies that seem more or less Dickian:

    Man Facing Southeast (Argentinian, ripped off as K-PAX).

    Red, and The Double Life of Veronique, both by Kieslowski.

    Matador by Almodovar.

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    1. Re:More Dickian Movies by jcenters · · Score: 1

      Um, K-PAX (The film) was adapted from the book by Gene Brewer.

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    2. Re:More Dickian Movies by heikkih · · Score: 2, Informative

      Beep.

      This book was released in 1995.

      This movie was released in 1986.

    3. Re:More Dickian Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Adaptation", seemed to steal the author-and-his-evil-twin aspect of Valis. Not that it helped it avoid being a crappy movie.

  39. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best thing about trolls is that they say what's on everybody's mind.

  40. Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The "monk" said:

    but if anyone was a visionary in the 50's imho it was Dick.for all the bright utopia's we were promised both in sci-fi and reality philip k. dick's visions of the future are chillingly close.


    George Orwell's 1984 had a pessimistic view of the future, and it predates Phillip Dick. Its Ministry of Truth is an agency that makes you question what you believe . Sound like a familiar theme? Orwell's book was published in 1949. That same year

    Dick enrolled at the University of California, Berkeley, as a philosophy major. However, although fascinated by his encounter with Plato's theory that, as he later put it, "the empirical world [is] not truly real, at least not as real as the archetypal realm beyond it," he dropped out almost immediately, and never went back. (--from this bio )


    1. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1

      You are prpetuating a very common mistake:

      George Orwell wasn't a science fiction writer, writing about the future, but a political writer, writing about the present.

      1984 is a demolishing attack on Stalinism, as evident to anyone familiar with the URSS's politics in the forties. Hint: 1984...1948.

      Cheers,

    2. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1
      Really? There was a war in 1948 between Oceania and Eurasia? I never knew.

      Yes, Orwell was a political writer. Yes, 1984 was "about" the present. But the mode he chose to employ was that of science fiction - or more precisely perhaps, that peculiarly British mode of future-pondering that H.G. Wells, Olaf Stapledon and Aldous Huxley had worked in, that we have retrospectively assimiliated to what we now call science fiction. You don't need to be a proud, card-carrying member of the SFWA to write science fiction.

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    3. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1

      Really? There was a war in 1948 between Oceania and Eurasia? I never knew.

      Have you ever heard about the Cold War?

      Cheers,

    4. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1
      Have you ever heard about the Cold War?

      Can you refresh my memory please - did Oceania or Eurasia win that? I'd look it up myself but I can't stand Newspeak.

      Maybe you can re-read the part of my post you didn't respond to, I don't think you get my point.

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    5. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1


      Oceania won, in 1990 (more or less)

      Cheers,

    6. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Sorry! I just sort of assumed you were capable of rationally responding to my comments. My mistake.

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    7. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1


      I guess you also think Moby Dick is a book about fishing.
      And Gulliver's Travels are about very small and very large people?

      Cheers,

    8. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Yes. But the point is, they are not only about those things. Science fiction is not a mutually exclusive category with any other genre of fiction. As I said in my OP, 1984 is a political novel written in the form of science fiction. And I don't see why anyone would want to deny that ...

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    9. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1

      Dear Avatar:

      Until this point I was assuming you were trolling, and I was pulling your line a bit.

      Now it looks as you've been being serious,so that's what I think:

      1984 is SF only if you stretch the definition out of shape.
      Two way television is just doing the work of an human informer, it's not instrumental to the plot, and can be eliminated without loss to the book. The rest of the SF props is the same.

      The political parts are just very_thinly_disgused allusions to the real playes of the time: Stalin, the cult of personality, the purgues, the public trials, Trotsky, the Cold War (I thought Oceania and Eurasia were rather obvius give-aways).

      I still would classify 1984 as political satire, but if you feel otherwise, be my guest.

      Best wishes,

    10. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      That's quite funny, actually, because at one point I was sure you were a troll :) No harm done.

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    11. Re:Is "1984" relegated to a Macintosh commercial? by ccp · · Score: 1

      We've met the enemy, and he's us!

      See you in the next SF thread.

      Cheers,

  41. They're raping my favorite stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dick has been quoted as saying "I love Blade Runner; it has nothing to do with my story, but it's a great movie." The director's cut certainly took the mindbending part correctly.

    We'll Rember it for you Wholesale (Total Recall) ended with a joke. The Mars trip was never in doubt. As different from the source as any Paul Verhoeven film.

    Minority Report took things in the right direction for the first 2/3rds. But that stupid "echo murder" crap leading upto the happy ending bit it.

    Paycheck is a sacriledge. The short story didn't have action, it was a man thinking his way out of tense situations in a police state as he tries to unravel the mystery of his past from a few bizarre clues. John Woo hasn't made single good flick in the US.

    Through a Scanner Darkly is a dark movie about drug abuse, insanity, and a cartell conspiracy involving a Synanon like organization. No way in hell is that going to be produced correctly.

    The King of The Elves is about an old farmer who kills his friend of decades because some elves show him that he's the king of ogres. You never are sure at the end whether the elves were real or not. Now way is that going to survive Disney.

    They might make something out of Time Out of Joint.

    Haven't seen Screamers but I hear it's an okay adaption of "The Second Variety".

    Oh yeah, my point. Good stuff is getting washed with mud. That article sucked.

    1. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a brother Anonymous Coward wrote:
      >
      > They might make something out of Time Out of Joint.

      They have made something out of Time Out of Joint. It's called The Truman Show. Even better than the book, IMO. But clearly not in the same serious spirit.

    2. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by CBob · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure Hollyweird shoudl do this one justice...

      Though a Scanner Darkly has some parallels with a great amount of what I tend to call life. My generation (ew tacky cliche) didn't need Vietnam to kill quite a few of us off. We had ourselves & the sense that we were never going to die doing that for us. Dick was writing & selling stories 10 years before I was born & that makes it more frightening. I've still got 2 or 3 old friends around that still stare blankly at nothing for hours on end because of some combo of something chewed them up. Quite a few of the others simply aren't around to stare at anything and adding a more surreal note, alot of the ones who made it through are now totally denying that part of their lives existed.

      Having read some of his later interviews & such, I can also relate to a bit more of his thinking than is comfortable. But I do enjoy the typewriter story.

    3. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by pamar · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Minority Report took things in the right direction for the first 2/3rds. But that stupid "echo murder" crap leading upto the happy ending bit it.
      About the "happy ending" part you cite...



      SPOILER SPACE follows



















      Someone noted that the parts *after* the main lead "imprisonment" could just be manufactured hallucinations. In a previous sequence, one of the pre-crime squad gives an off-hand remark about the fact that when you are in the "punitive coma" you sleep whatever reality you want.
      So everything we see after Cruise's character is captured could be his dream of how things should go, not necessarily reality itself.
      This would explain the improbable ending and be quite faithful to Dick's ideas, even if the director does not clearly states how things "really are".
    4. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by stcanard · · Score: 1
      We'll Rember it for you Wholesale (Total Recall) ended with a joke. The Mars trip was never in doubt. As different from the source as any Paul Verhoeven film.

      While I agree totally that the movie had nothing to do with the story, I disagree that "the Mars trip was never in doubt".

      Go back and watch the beginning of the movie again. The program he buys is "Blue Sky over Mars". Hmmm...

      Look at the girl he orders. Perfect match for the one in the story

      I remember there were other things, but it's been a long time since I've seen the movie. It could be he made those choices because of a residual memory, or it could be that he's still sitting in the chair. That would finally even allow us to explain away that totally improbably face almost blowing up then coming back to normal ending, since it never happened.

    5. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minority Report was awful. The Director made changes to the story that made it silly. Compare the precognitive girl in the movie to the similar characters in the written form. In the movie, they brought her to the pivotal crime scene and made her an intelligent observer. That makes the false conviction unlikely and ruins the credibility of the story. I am not saying Spielberg had to tell the story the same way as Dick, but couldn't he have thought about a consistent story at least a little bit.

    6. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by dswensen · · Score: 1

      I didn't think Screamers was all that good. Frankly, I think there's enough material in there to make for another film that would be faithful to "The Second Variety" and be completely different from "Screamers."

      Unfortunately, I think the tendency is to take PKD's ideas and pump them full of action, which has worked out fairly well in the past, but I'd like to see just one PKD story interpreted in the kind of quiet, thoughtful way that his stories are presented.

      GATTACA has proven that science fiction can be done well without blazing guns and exploding buses, so I know they can treat PKD right and still make money. I'd love to see it just once, and there is no shortage of PKD stories out there ripe for the picking.

    7. Re:They're raping my favorite stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wrong about that initial quote. Sorry.

  42. My peverse hobby... by hlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've long held an interest of reading accounts of what (extraordinary) schizophrenics go through in their own worlds in their own words. IMO PKD's Valis and Pirsig's Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance are seminal works in this peculiar field. So far, his writings that have been turned into film really just skim upon his twisted view of reality.

    Valis has creativity that makes you gasp (well, me anyway): there's a great discourse between Dr. Stone and Horselover Fat that should be mandatory instruction for anyone working in mental health. Horselover Fat is the alter-ego of Philip K Dick. You'd have to read the book to find out why he's such an odd name...

    1. Re:My peverse hobby... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      hlee,

      You might want to check out some of Doris Lessing's stuff, most notably Briefing for a Descent into Hell and The Golden Notebook.

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    2. Re:My peverse hobby... by hlee · · Score: 1

      Yes, probably will. Did a quick search on her... interesting, though I'm generally not a fan of the stream-of-conciousness style of writing. In any case, I'll want to compare her to Ayn Rand.

    3. Re:My peverse hobby... by LMariachi · · Score: 1

      What information do you have that indicates Pirsig was schizophrenic? Not actively denying it, just curious.

    4. Re:My peverse hobby... by pedro · · Score: 1

      Read Zen etc. It's all right there.
      The Phaedrus character is Pirsig in his schizoid state.

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    5. Re:My peverse hobby... by lumpenprole · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I completely agree. I think the third book in the Valis trilogy, 'The Transmigration of Bishop Timothy Archer' is also one of the more amazing books about dealing with insanity from the outside. If you can find the collected version of the Valis trilogy, it's worth buying. It's out of print, but the introduction by Kim Stanley Robinson makes it worth the search. It talks a lot about Dick's relationship with his own struggles with mental illness and how it affected his writing and personal relationships.

      Reading that, and all three Valis books in a row, really put Dick's work in general in a new light for me.

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  43. Burroughs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You're referring to Burroughs' novel Blade Runner: A Movie, I assume?

  44. Dumbing Down Dick by dandelion_wine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Affleck: "To anybody who's ever thought, Did that happen or did I dream it? - you'd have to have a PhD in philosophy to get too deep into this, but it has to do with wanting to validate our own first-person experience."

    This is what writers like Dick are up against -- an audience (and even actors in movies based on his works!) that thinks a doctorate is needed to look beneath the veneer. But then, if the Hollywood versions bring more readers to the original works...

    1. Re:Dumbing Down Dick by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Is this why all those morons keep talking about the "deep philosophical questions" in The Matrix? Every time I see that, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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    2. Re:Dumbing Down Dick by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      I'd say you don't need a PhD, you need a PkD to get deep into this...

  45. Charlie Kaufman to adapt Scanner Darkly? by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    I had heard before that Charlie Kaufman, of "Adaptation" and "Being John Malkovich", was working on it.

    Both those movies have Phildickian tones ... absurb worlds, replicated identities, time-shifts between reality and imagination, the struggle of the little guy to both make a living and survive as an artist in the world of big business.

    I'm guessing Charlie Kaufman would turn in a stunning intepretation of Scanner Darkly.

    -kgj

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  46. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    All these PKD movies make he following statement somewhat ironic, given the authors view of Hollywood:

    "You'd have to kill me and prop me up in the seat of my car with a smile painted on my face to get me to go near Hollywood."

  47. PK Dick, Blade Runner, and Movies by fruey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just re-reading a French translation book titled "Blade Runner", but from the original "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". It has references to "Blade Runners" in it, I'm beginning to wonder how bastardized the translation is. The rest of the book so far (only read about 30 pages on the way in to work this morning) is far enough away from the movie plot, and I read it about 8 years ago and it certainly seems to resemble DADoES. Can anyone shed some light on this?

    Also, the more I read about PK Dick, the more I feel that he was ahead of his time. "Time Out of Joint" which I have also recently read in French (living in Paris means the best book bargains are in the local language... I'd love to pick up cheap English originals) was written in the 1950s IIRC, and yet it's as if it could have been written yesterday. Sure, the occasional reference to technology which sounds a little out of date does happen, but for the mind that's really easy to step over, because everything else just fits. Sure, it is paranoid, but when you question everything you see on TV about politics these days, you ask yourself what influence one guy (Bush, Blair, whatever) really has over the thousands of people who are really employed in making policy. Indeed, the influence those thousands have on the leader figure is what we should be more worried about.

    In England, where we only have a population of 60 million, it's perhaps less flagrant than in the US, but somewhere along the line we are all many steps removed from any policy decisions, we mostly get to say yes or no about once every 4 years and most of us don't even vote in local elections. Michael Moore had a point when he said running for election in small-fry local posts is enough to get in sometimes. Don't bother pointing out the holes and contradictions in some of his other lefty liberal stuff though, I'm well aware of those. I digress.

    The point with PK Dick's writing, at least that of it which I have read, is that the individual is studied much more than the collective. The paranoia inherent in a lot of the work is because the stuff is so based on an individuals attempt to understand reality. It's almost a solipsistic nightmare sometimes. Art can really start to get somewhere with our current malaise. Because the way we think and interpret is what really matters for us as individual human beings. And our current malaise is just that: faced with an increasing access to all sorts of societies, individuals, and cultures, our biggest problem is first how to situate ourselves. No longer (or rarely) do we live in smaller, closer-knit communities, but rather in almost separate little units - which do not interconnect based on local geography but rather along interest based lines and public gatherings...

    When we start automatically watering down a lowest common denominator for mass marketing... we're really pulling away from what Dick's writing does to us, in making us look at our own individual reaction to current society and current social groups. The feeling you have after the cited movies are just reflections in a distorted mirror of the feelings that are conveyed when you read the books.

    I know that to have mass appeal, a movie should respect a certain number of things which are the antithesis of what real film art is about, but raising the bar a little would gradually educate the filmgoing public - indeed there are literally millions of us who would really go after a less "clean cut happy ending experience". The global market is there now, you don't have to market to the whole of ABC1 audience in suburban midtown multiplexes.

    I wish that some independent film maker could fix up to do a truer adaptation of a PKD short story, and really leave it hanging at the end. Just the other day I saw Intolerable Cruelty, and couldn't help thinking that the happy ending was tacked on in order to pass some kind of Hollywood audience standard. Cut the movie about 10 minutes earlier, where the roles suddenly reverse in favour of the character played by

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    1. Re:PK Dick, Blade Runner, and Movies by fruey · · Score: 0, Troll
      Whoever modded my parent post a Troll, WTF?

      Reply rather than mod if you think that it really is a Troll, because I can't see it.

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  48. Hollywood in 'You don't know Dick' shocker. by Channard · · Score: 1

    I thought Impostor was sadly underrated - where I felt it went wrong was that they inserted an unnecesary 1/2 hour's worth of Minority Report chase sequences. If they'd cropped it down to the lengths of say an Outer Limits episode, it would have been fantastic. As it was, it was still pretty good - the ending especially hit like a sledgehammer.

  49. Hollywood and the audience are not ready for Dick by HarveyTheWonderBug · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hollywood and Dick's view of life are completely opposite. I find interesting that dream factories such as the studios are attracted to the writing of someone questioning the nature of perception. But the concept of an "happy end" is completely foreign to Dick. Most of his novels leave the main questions completely open (is the main character dead or alive in Ubik ?) and that's why I like these books: it's unsettling, it makes you think.

    Hollywood is not ready for this: what if Minority Report ended on the fade to black when Tom Cruise confront his boss and a gunshot is heard ? That would be IMHO a quite dickian ending.

    Even worse, Hollywood seems to be right regarding the audience: just look at the comments on the Matrix. We have here movies exploring ideas quite close to Dick's favorites, and a last movie that close nicely the series, leaving many open questions, as most of his novel do. The net result: the audience does not like it. How sad.

  50. A Note about Total Recall... by Slur · · Score: 1

    Was it all just a hallucination? Here's a clue.

    In the scene where Arnold is strapped in for his initial simulated vacation one of the technicians makes an offhand remark about the program disc:

    " 'Blue Skies on Mars'? That's a new one. "

    So it was a wholesale hallucination after all.

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    1. Re:A Note about Total Recall... by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

      I just wish it had been a little more explicit - I would have been a lot more forgiving of all the goofiness in that movie if he had actually woken up at the end and gone home.

    2. Re:A Note about Total Recall... by taradfong · · Score: 1

      Uh, guys, the whole point was that it wasn't explicit whether it was true or not. There's also the scene where the big boss Vilos, in desparately trying to make him believe that he's a 'fake' Quaid' tells Quaid of the adventures he's about to have - and these descriptions describe the rest of the movie!

      This captures the magic in PKD stories - one can never draw the line between the reality and illusion/delusion. His brilliant storytelling makes each equally plausible. Say all you want about Total Recall, but in this way it was dead-on to the spirit of PKD's work.

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  51. PKD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought PKD was Polycystic Kidney Disease. Inherited. Childhood onset is ressesive, adult onset is dominant.

    It leads to kidney failure. Dialysis or transplant are the two options.

  52. john woo by dumeinst · · Score: 1

    john woo with his hands on a script based on a philip k. dick story sickening

  53. William Hurt in Total Recall?? by dpilot · · Score: 1

    Offhand, I think it would be more fun to see William Hurt play Capt. James Tiberias Kirk in a new remake of Star Trek Classic. Can't think of anyone else more capable of Shatnering the role.

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  54. Screamers by ajs · · Score: 1

    Screamers was indeed a decent adaptation of Second Variety.

    The ending got shredded and turned "Hollywood", but overall, it had more of the original in it than any other adaptation of his work that I've seen.

  55. {WARNING: SPOILER TO MINORITY REPORT} by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Minority Report took things in the right direction for the first 2/3rds. But that stupid "echo murder" crap leading upto the happy ending bit it.

    The ending is actually ambiguous. In the middle of the story we hear that the culprits put under the "halo" have pleasant dreams. Everything that happens after Tom Cruise receives his halo can be such a dream! What really happened is your choice as a viewer - there is no actual hint into any direction. I'd say it's as phildickian as it gets!

  56. A little thought occurred to me ... by Scholasticus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems to me that Philip K. Dick was sort of science fiction's anti-George Lucas. Dick's stories got better as he got older. He wasn't satisfied with looking at the surface of reality, he wanted to dig deeper. He never got rich, so he never had a chance to have his creativity ruined by a lot of money. Hollywood was only starting to catch on to his ideas when he died, so his ego never became a bloated gas-bag, ruined by fame. I think if Phil Dick and George Lucas had ever met in real life, they would have mutually annihilated each other.

  57. Ugh. Argh. by lumpenprole · · Score: 1

    "This is a part I went after really aggressively," says Affleck. "I've always been a fan of Philip K. Dick, both his writings and the movie adaptations...."

    Man, if you can say you're a fan of his writings and the movie adaptations with a straight face, you're obviously a couple beers short of a six-pack. How anybody could claim that Total Recall is a 'big-budget movie for smart people' is beyond me.

    See, the thing is, PKD wanted to pry at the surface of manufactured reality and peel away the layers. Hollywood wants to slap some more varnish on and make it glossier. Sometimes those contradictions can make good movies, but it's usually unintentionally.

    I'm a huge PKD fan, but when I see a movie that says it's based on one of his stories, I go running in the other direction. (until it's on video and I'm feeling masochistic)

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  58. Man In the High Castle? by rarkm · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if 'Man In the High Castle' is going to be made?

    IMHO, this was among the best of PKD's novels, or at least the one I think about most frequently (possibly not the same thing).

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  59. Why overclock Barjo?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At a running time of 85 min,
    it goes by pretty fast ... what?

    hmmm ...

    nevermind ...

  60. The best PKD film ever... by MEK · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...was made long before he died -- on a shoe-string budget -- in France -- and was not based on a particualr story, but on a Dick-esque fantasy of which a PKD look-alike was a key character. "Paris nous appartient" (Paris Belongs to Us) was filmed by Jacques Rivette in the late 50s and finally released in 1960. (This was shot on donated scraps of film, with "volunteer actors" -- on a catch as catch can basis). The film involves a young woman who gets ensnared in the paranoid fantasises (about a worldwide conspiracy) of an American expatriate writer -- named "Phil Kaufman".

    As far as I know, Rivette has never explicitly acknowledged that "Paris nou s appartient" was inspired by Dick's stories -- or that "Phil Kaufman" was a fantasized si8mulacra of Dick himself. Nonetheless, Dick's stories were already known to the avant-garde in France by the late 50s, and Rivette has expressed his admiration for P.K. Dick over the years.

    No big-budget Hollywood-esque extravaganza has ever caught the essential spirit of PKD's universe (almost clairvoyantly -- the universe of PKD that wasn't fully manifested until his sad last days) as well as this early no-budget film of Jacques Rivette. (Many later Rivette films show more indebtedness to PKD for their tone and atmosphere than to Rivette's Hollywood directorial idols).

    MEK

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  61. Too bad about "Screamers" by koelpien · · Score: 1

    Of course, the problem with Screamers was taking it offworld and using fake corporations as combatants. If they had simply followed his original vision of a World War II story with Americans and Russians, it would have been a much better and more successful movie. And using that guy from Robocop.

  62. Thank You by SPYvSPY · · Score: 1

    I forgot about the Double Life of Veronique. I'm not sure if I understand how Red is PKD-esque. Maybe I missed part of that film. Care to explain?

    Anyway, I think Keizlowski and Wenders would be the only two directors that are capable of rendering PKD in a meaningful way. They already resonate with his themes.

  63. I Don't Get It. by unother · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    Total Recall was one of the biggest hits of 1990, grossing $118 million in the US alone. That was good for Carolco, even better for Dick.

    What part of Philip K. Dick is dead does the author have trouble understanding?

    It's just another Van Gogh-type situation. Better to have lived a Wharhol-ian career, IMHO...

  64. Re:Hollywood and the audience are not ready for Di by taradfong · · Score: 1

    what if Minority Report ended on the fade to black when Tom Cruise confront his boss and a gunshot is heard ? That would be IMHO a quite dickian ending.

    Your points are well taken but Dick would not end a story like this. In your proposal, the author is simply hiding something to 'artificially' create suspense. Dick's magic comes from weaving seemingly unresolvable realities into a believable tale.

    In fact, the short story MR is based on ends as cleanly as the movie. The 'twist' is the idea that being the one person with personal access to the predictive equipment inevitably tangles you up in a crime.

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  65. Dick, undead. by nan0 · · Score: 1

    Dick has been quoted as saying "I love Blade Runner; it has nothing to do with my story, but it's a great movie." that's amazing journalism, considering he died before it was done filming!!! [in fact, he visited the set, and was amazed, as anyone who read 'our world is their heaven' knows...]

  66. Deckard as an android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No hints that Deckard is an android? There's a whole chapter where he himself is convinced he's an android! When the android cops take him to the android police station... AND TELL HIM HE'S AN ANDROID...

  67. Blue Sky on Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blue Sky on Mars, by Matthew Sweet... one of my favs :)

  68. Red (Spoiler) by SEGV · · Score: 1

    In Red, there is a bit of a parallel lives thing going on just like in The Double Life of Veronique.

    Basically, the young lawyer's life mirrors that of the retired judge. Little details, such as receiving a pen, or the books falling open to an important test question, are the same. So are the relationships with the women. One begins to wonder if it is mere coincidence, or if there is actually some connection between the two.

    I found that element to be somewhat Dickian, although I'd say the entire movie in itself isn't necessarily Dickian, not like Man Facing Southeast.

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  69. K-PAX and Man Facing Southeast by SEGV · · Score: 1

    When I originally read the synopsis of K-PAX before it was released, I immediately said "Oh, they re-made Man Facing Southeast as a Hollywood movie."

    Imagine my surprise when I later discovered the filmmakers denied this, claiming an original work.

    The consensus is that they basically ripped off MFSE without saying so. Even though Blockbuster rented MFSE in their foreign section, I guess they assumed nobody really saw it. (I know they said they based it on a different book.)

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  70. The Book Reveals All by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're into the story you should read the book (the one that came out with the movie...it has arnold on the cover). It goes into much more detail on the aliens and the machines behind the pyramid mines. If you're looking for the quick answer read the spoiler below...
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    ...Arnold's character was indeed second in command to the main bad guy (forgot his name). He becomes sympathetic to the resistance and falls in love with Melina. Unfortunately all of the employees of the main bad guy have to have their memories scanned periodically to ensure they are loyal. Arnold is screwed if this happens and so is the resistance, because by now he knows all about their operations. He volunteers to have his memories capped/wiped so that he can be the perfect mole for the main bad guy. The main bad guy buys into this because he knows there are members of the resistance that can read minds so it is believable that the only way one of his men can get inside the resistance is if they don't actually know they are working for him. Of course, prior to undergoing the procedure Arnold set up some help for himself (the stuff in the suitcase...the flyer at the hotel) with the ultimate aim of furthering the resistance's goals. The pyramid mines are full of alien artifacts. The aliens looked kinda like giant ants and they walked along all sorts of catwalks in the mines which confused the humans excavating them but made sense to giant super-intelligent ants. The nice ants had set up these atmosphere generators elsewhere and if you used them properly they did nice things (made atmosphere) but if you didn't your sun would go nova. It was sort of like a pass/fail test for the species. In the book it mentions unexpected novas being detected alluding to other species failing the test.

    Hope that helps!

  71. Official Philip K. Dick Web Site Announcement by Koornick · · Score: 1

    Famed Science Fiction Author Philip K. Dick Gets "Official" at www.PhilipKDick.com; Rare And Unpublished Materials Revealed For The First Time The Philip K. Dick Trust is pleased to announce the launch of www.PhilipKDick.com, the official web site dedicated to the work, life and vision of the prolific science fiction author, whose stories became the films "Blade Runner", "Total Recall", "Minority Report" and the upcoming "Paycheck", directed by John Woo and staring Ben Affleck. A cover story in the December issue of Wired Magazine highlights Philip K. Dick's contributions to film, literature and popular culture. His three children, Laura, Isa and Christopher make up the Philip K. Dick Trust. In celebration of the launch, they are making available online previously unpublished writings and other content from Mr. Dick's voluminous archives. This includes illuminating letters, family photographs, "Blade Runner" concept sketches given to Dick by the movie studio, an unwritten book proposal, rare interviews, and pages from the Exegesis - the holy grail of Philip K. Dick musings which has only been published in excerpts. "Since our father's passing over 20 years ago, we have taken seriously the job of stewards of his works," says Isa Dick-Hackett. "Our primary concern has been to maintain the integrity of his work today, and for posterity. It is in this spirit, and motivated by the enthusiasm for our father's work, that we bring new and exciting material to Philip K Dick fans through this official site." PhilipKDick.com will serve as the official Web presence of the PKD Trust, connecting thousands of fans around the world with information about the author and with each other. The web site will report on the latest media developments related to the author and his work such as publishing, film and other news. New content will regularly be added. (Jason Koornick, previous owner of the site, is now building his fan site at PhilipKDickFans.com. He will also work with the Philip K. Dick Trust to maintain the new official site.) A cover story in the December 2003 issue of Wired Magazine pays tribute to the author's bold vision: "At a time when most 20th-century science fiction writers seem hopelessly dated, Dick gives us a vision of the future that captures the feel of our time." From his first short story in 1952 to his final works in 1982, Dick used the techniques and ideas of science fiction to explore psychology, religion, politics, and technology with compassion and humor. Today, nearly all of his prodigious output of short stories and novels is in print both in the United States and in dozens of foreign countries. Read the press release online at http://www.philipkdick.com/media_pr-031128.html