That's how I took it. Sarcasm. It's gallows humor and it's funny.
And we can at least be sympathetic to the poor SOBs that are getting ticketed. It's pretty amazing the attitudes of people here, that didn't seem to get the sarcasm, but have no sympathy for the workers. Comparing them to Death Star contractors or saying that "they should have seen the writing on the wall at AOL a long time ago."
The flip side of this attitude is that when jobs get outsourced off shore, they whine and complain, despite the fact that "they should have seen the writing on the wall".
And how short term the memory around here is! Three to five years ago, we were having so many posters here telling sad stories about how tought the labor market was, of huge cuts in pay to do shittier work if they were one of the luckier ones, being unemployed for long lengths of time. Losing homes, being forced to move back in with parents, etc. There are people here that would have happily taken employment at AOL, because that would mean a paycheck and a paycheck means being able to feed your family. I wonder if any of those people are the ones now, in all seriousness, saying "good, they deserve to be fired". Could slashdotters be that forgetful and could slashdotters be that unaware of the thin margin between them and disaster? Say it ain't so! We're the best of the best here! We're blessed with brains and with high standards/costs of living! We vote! (Well, we could if we wanted.) We're pudgy and pasty white, except when we're skinny and brown. No matter, Our haircuts are still retarded looking. But we're blessed, and we always will be blessed and no misfortune will ever befall us because we are too smart. So saith Ohreally.
AOL is Web 3.0!!! Where do my eyeballs sign up for this pay-per-click multilevel marketing bonanza. Both of them missed the first two bubbles. They blame me; instead of blogging like I was supposed to I wasted (am currently wasting) my talents getting modded off topic on slashdig. We want some of that Web 3.0 cash. Now. Referrals. My eyeballs might like Roland Pickypail if he kicked down. We want referral fees for my teflon eyeballs. How many frogclick ringtones did my clickthroughs sell for you? APIs!! APO's!! IPI's! PAP's! Frog click. Frog click bad. Class action.
My favorite is: 2. The jagged or wavy line between your marble bag and balloon knot.
(In all seriousness, the word in English that you probably wanted is "tint". While the word taint is very similar, the "official" non-urban dictionary meaning carries with it a connotation of corruption. Ex: The politician's motives were tainted by his receiving gifts from the oil lobby. Ex: Don't eat that meat! It's tainted! I hope this helps you a tiny bit, since I had fun at your expense. Well, at your taint's expense.)
A big shipment must have just come in: the mods are definitely smoking crunch today.
Why you got modded troll is beyond me. True, your stance was a bit aggressive, but this is freakin' slashdot, for chiwis sake.
Something I gleaned from you comment is the well worn adage that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Sure, if one drops down to the command line (which one can do on OS X just as well as Linux), there's amazing synergystic snap-together power. At the system GUI, Apple has a lot of power. I imagine that in kde or Gnome the situation is roughly similar. Perhaps better? I don't know.
But, and this relates to the story topic, the one thing that Apple, as a proprietary company, does really well is getting apps to work well together. Not just "play nice" but really work in a way that increases functionality. Is this a proprietary advantage? To a certain extent yes. I think it might be much harder to coordinate OSS development of a multi-media suite, for example. But not impossible. That would be cool. They could call it LiLife.
I'm not a print guy, so probably for my purposes the Gimp would work fine.
And as I stated, I'm willing to learn a new UI. What does trouble me is sgtrock's statement about the clunkiness, i.e., certain operations taking more steps/clicks. However, he's just one guy with his experience and his opinion. I'll have to really spend some time with it myself to know how well it will work for me. The really good thing about this is that (once I'm set up with a linux based computer), I don't need to pay anything to try out the software.
Also, I infer from what you wrote that, like many applications of this type, Gimp benefits from vast tracts of real estate. I have a 22" wide screen lcd that I plug into my laptop when I need more screen. This might be a stupid question that reveals my ignorance, but what is the state of multiple monitor set ups under Linux?
Hey, Japan! 2020 called. They want their moon base back!
As if! As if there's going to be any room left for Japanese Moonbase in 2030. It's gonna be all Starbucks as far as the eye can see. Mare Nostrum will be filled with Americano. Somebody sent us up the chai latte. What you say? Four moonbucks for a cup of Joe? Soylent Latte is People! Well. Person. Named Joe. Damn you john Katz.
Hey, we got dibs on Mars, too, MFers!
----------- Holy Crap! I had this weird dream that I was a blogger, and went I woke up my Karma had gone to hell.
Have you ever checked out Giant in the Playground? They actually play by post in the forums over there. Besides which, the comic Order of the Stick is the funniest RPG comic I've ever read. It actually makes me want to get back into gaming and learn these newfangled 3.0 rules.
That's because you're not looking for that at all. So of course you can't find any.
That's really not true. I might not be as current as you on Linux software developments, but I check in from time to time, I keep my ear to the ground, and I read slashdot. =)
There are plenty, especially on Linux. And why "a few" people will tell you you're wrong ? Perhaps nobody will tell you anything and just ignore you. You talk like you're some kind of authority. Reading what you said just shows you're not any authority, just a Mac lover. Nothing wrong with that, but you're clearly not qualified to talk about exciting software outside the Mac.
I never claimed to be an expert, nor did I even suggest I was. On the contrary, I clearly stated that I was sharing my perceptions as a non linux user.
Again, there are a lot of them, you just dismiss them as not important, as long as they're not on your platform of choice.
Well, be so kind as to tell me what they are. I gave examples of applications that are both highly functional and highly polished. All you have to offer is that "there are a lot of them." Way to contribute to the discussion! And it should be quite clear that I'm interested in application functionality (and polish), not just platform. You'll notice I'm not arguing that the OS X finder is better than gnome or kde.
You misunderstand my comparison and contrast with PC games. My point was that there was little chance of the Mac emerging as a great game platform, as opposed to Linux, which will surely emerge to be at least a very good and widely accepted desktop. But be honest: did you misunderstand, or were you just trying to be difficult?
You don't know what you're talking about, so you can't know how hard it will be.
On the contrary. I've expended much time, blood, sweat, and tears on both paid and volunteer projects in the hopes of creating something cool and beautiful. I've put a lot of effort into helping see projects through, going above and beyond the call of duty. I know all about hard work. Do you? What have you done?
You need no excuse for not moving to Linux, it's just not compatible with your needs yet, nothing wrong with that.
Which was exactly my point. And I heartily await the time when both I and the Linux landscape will be ready for our merging. I'm not apologizing, I'm merely stating the reasons why that time has not yet arrived.
Anyway, thank you for your response, combative as it was.
There's actually an OO fork for OS X called NeoOfficeJ that is decent enough, if very slow to launch (being a java port). Gimp I've never tried, although I've seen it briefly. It's certainly functional, from what I can tell. And it's getting that polish. OK, so maybe there's one exception (so far)*. Kino looks really clunky to me, but then I'm primarily a Final Cut Pro user (and fairly expert at it, if I do say so). Still, I can't honestly say I've sat down with it. I've used AfterEffects, but I'm far from expert in it. At one time (pre-apple purchase) I toyed with the idea of getting a linux system together to run Shake, but only because I had contact with Ron Brinkman and was vainly hoping to talk him into giving me a free seat. I kow there's a "Linux equivalent" app for AE, but last time I checked it still had a long ways to go.
Anyway, I do check out what's going on in the Linux world because it genuinely interests me, and it obviously has a strong future. I might not be as up-to-date on the latest software developments as someone who uses Linux everyday and follows it religiously, but I try to stay informed as best as I can.
I'm not even going to get into the whole "Quicktime is an architecture/container, not a format" thing right now. Let's save that for another time. I'm a Sorenson Squeeze user for compressing video into whatever format. I prefer mpeg 4 for web stuff. I used to use Media Cleaner Pro, but it became too craptacular.
Of course, a huge amont of my computer use is the typical web surfing, email, etc. For that I could move to Linux, and the adjustment might not be too painful. Hell, for all my writing needs I could use the old CP/M based wordprocessor my dad had in his office many years ago, or, if I really wanted to get primitive, an old selectric. For that matter, I still do a lot of writing with a notepad and pen. Please note, I don't mean to imply that Linux would be more primitive.
Anyway, I'm just rambling now. Sorry. Been up all night with insomnia. Thanks for your response.
*I'm not going to use the excuse that the interface is unfamiliar to me. If I could learn Photoshop, I can learn Gimp.
Dammit! I was hoping that the fact that I was still on a G4 PB would preserve my smugness! I guess this means I'm going to have to install an cat5 into the bathroom with a port next to the throne.
C'mon, don't tell me you've never taken your laptop to the "reading room".
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That's how I took it. Sarcasm. It's gallows humor and it's funny.
And we can at least be sympathetic to the poor SOBs that are getting ticketed. It's pretty amazing the attitudes of people here, that didn't seem to get the sarcasm, but have no sympathy for the workers. Comparing them to Death Star contractors or saying that "they should have seen the writing on the wall at AOL a long time ago."
The flip side of this attitude is that when jobs get outsourced off shore, they whine and complain, despite the fact that "they should have seen the writing on the wall".
And how short term the memory around here is! Three to five years ago, we were having so many posters here telling sad stories about how tought the labor market was, of huge cuts in pay to do shittier work if they were one of the luckier ones, being unemployed for long lengths of time. Losing homes, being forced to move back in with parents, etc. There are people here that would have happily taken employment at AOL, because that would mean a paycheck and a paycheck means being able to feed your family. I wonder if any of those people are the ones now, in all seriousness, saying "good, they deserve to be fired". Could slashdotters be that forgetful and could slashdotters be that unaware of the thin margin between them and disaster? Say it ain't so! We're the best of the best here! We're blessed with brains and with high standards/costs of living! We vote! (Well, we could if we wanted.) We're pudgy and pasty white, except when we're skinny and brown. No matter, Our haircuts are still retarded looking. But we're blessed, and we always will be blessed and no misfortune will ever befall us because we are too smart. So saith Ohreally.
Relax. They'll probably be so retarded, they'll suffocate in their multicolored bunny suits.
AOL is Web 3.0!!! Where do my eyeballs sign up for this pay-per-click multilevel marketing bonanza. Both of them missed the first two bubbles. They blame me; instead of blogging like I was supposed to I wasted (am currently wasting) my talents getting modded off topic on slashdig. We want some of that Web 3.0 cash. Now. Referrals. My eyeballs might like Roland Pickypail if he kicked down. We want referral fees for my teflon eyeballs. How many frogclick ringtones did my clickthroughs sell for you? APIs!! APO's!! IPI's! PAP's! Frog click. Frog click bad. Class action.
I think we reached terminal September when that knight guy, Tim Burners, invented the graphical usenet at CERN.
Oh, and, ME TOO!!!!
for instance, would you be needing a black and white laser printer to proofread ads? (very obscure joke)
You can't be chillaxin with so many peeps fo you need to be downsizin'. Just don't fuck with 'counts 'ceivable, or I'm gon bust a staple in yo ass.
Check out the urban dictionary definition of taint.
My favorite is: 2. The jagged or wavy line between your marble bag and balloon knot.
(In all seriousness, the word in English that you probably wanted is "tint". While the word taint is very similar, the "official" non-urban dictionary meaning carries with it a connotation of corruption. Ex: The politician's motives were tainted by his receiving gifts from the oil lobby. Ex: Don't eat that meat! It's tainted! I hope this helps you a tiny bit, since I had fun at your expense. Well, at your taint's expense.)
A big shipment must have just come in: the mods are definitely smoking crunch today.
Why you got modded troll is beyond me. True, your stance was a bit aggressive, but this is freakin' slashdot, for chiwis sake.
Something I gleaned from you comment is the well worn adage that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Sure, if one drops down to the command line (which one can do on OS X just as well as Linux), there's amazing synergystic snap-together power. At the system GUI, Apple has a lot of power. I imagine that in kde or Gnome the situation is roughly similar. Perhaps better? I don't know.
But, and this relates to the story topic, the one thing that Apple, as a proprietary company, does really well is getting apps to work well together. Not just "play nice" but really work in a way that increases functionality. Is this a proprietary advantage? To a certain extent yes. I think it might be much harder to coordinate OSS development of a multi-media suite, for example. But not impossible. That would be cool. They could call it LiLife.
I'm not a print guy, so probably for my purposes the Gimp would work fine.
And as I stated, I'm willing to learn a new UI. What does trouble me is sgtrock's statement about the clunkiness, i.e., certain operations taking more steps/clicks. However, he's just one guy with his experience and his opinion. I'll have to really spend some time with it myself to know how well it will work for me. The really good thing about this is that (once I'm set up with a linux based computer), I don't need to pay anything to try out the software.
Also, I infer from what you wrote that, like many applications of this type, Gimp benefits from vast tracts of real estate. I have a 22" wide screen lcd that I plug into my laptop when I need more screen. This might be a stupid question that reveals my ignorance, but what is the state of multiple monitor set ups under Linux?
Thanks.
That just demonstrates what a cutting edge hipster Spock was. He was into retro . . . (calculating stardates) . . . way after everyone else was.
That was an awesome joke.
I tried to read your comment, but at the first mention of Osama, I fainted and then crawled under my desk. Is it safe to come out?
Oh, crap! Look! In the line above this one! Osama! There it is again! OK, that's it. I'm not coming out. Where's my blankie?
Taint hairs? Is this some new form of biometric data? (If so, I do not want to see goatse's passport.)
No, he said Ruby. You're thinking of motherfucking python.
Don't look a gift horse in the nose. Who said that? I did!
You guys have fat pipes? We're still stuck with tubes. They're getting clogged up with internets, too.
Well, the tip off will be when they return with footage of a giant moth they discover in Tycho.
Hey, Japan! 2020 called. They want their moon base back!
As if! As if there's going to be any room left for Japanese Moonbase in 2030. It's gonna be all Starbucks as far as the eye can see. Mare Nostrum will be filled with Americano. Somebody sent us up the chai latte. What you say? Four moonbucks for a cup of Joe? Soylent Latte is People! Well. Person. Named Joe. Damn you john Katz.
Hey, we got dibs on Mars, too, MFers!
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Holy Crap! I had this weird dream that I was a blogger, and went I woke up my Karma had gone to hell.
Have you ever checked out Giant in the Playground? They actually play by post in the forums over there. Besides which, the comic Order of the Stick is the funniest RPG comic I've ever read. It actually makes me want to get back into gaming and learn these newfangled 3.0 rules.
Wait, I'm confused. Can I or can I not still be a self-important narcissistic jackass?
Oh, never mind. I'll ask Whiney.
=)
Dude, you cracked me up. Maybe I'm just punchy from lack of sleep, but that was pretty damn funny.
That's because you're not looking for that at all. So of course you can't find any.
That's really not true. I might not be as current as you on Linux software developments, but I check in from time to time, I keep my ear to the ground, and I read slashdot. =)
There are plenty, especially on Linux. And why "a few" people will tell you you're wrong ? Perhaps nobody will tell you anything and just ignore you.
You talk like you're some kind of authority. Reading what you said just shows you're not any authority, just a Mac lover. Nothing wrong with that, but you're clearly not qualified to talk about exciting software outside the Mac.
I never claimed to be an expert, nor did I even suggest I was. On the contrary, I clearly stated that I was sharing my perceptions as a non linux user.
Again, there are a lot of them, you just dismiss them as not important, as long as they're not on your platform of choice.
Well, be so kind as to tell me what they are. I gave examples of applications that are both highly functional and highly polished. All you have to offer is that "there are a lot of them." Way to contribute to the discussion! And it should be quite clear that I'm interested in application functionality (and polish), not just platform. You'll notice I'm not arguing that the OS X finder is better than gnome or kde.
You misunderstand my comparison and contrast with PC games. My point was that there was little chance of the Mac emerging as a great game platform, as opposed to Linux, which will surely emerge to be at least a very good and widely accepted desktop. But be honest: did you misunderstand, or were you just trying to be difficult?
You don't know what you're talking about, so you can't know how hard it will be.
On the contrary. I've expended much time, blood, sweat, and tears on both paid and volunteer projects in the hopes of creating something cool and beautiful. I've put a lot of effort into helping see projects through, going above and beyond the call of duty. I know all about hard work. Do you? What have you done?
You need no excuse for not moving to Linux, it's just not compatible with your needs yet, nothing wrong with that.
Which was exactly my point. And I heartily await the time when both I and the Linux landscape will be ready for our merging. I'm not apologizing, I'm merely stating the reasons why that time has not yet arrived.
Anyway, thank you for your response, combative as it was.
There's actually an OO fork for OS X called NeoOfficeJ that is decent enough, if very slow to launch (being a java port). Gimp I've never tried, although I've seen it briefly. It's certainly functional, from what I can tell. And it's getting that polish. OK, so maybe there's one exception (so far)*. Kino looks really clunky to me, but then I'm primarily a Final Cut Pro user (and fairly expert at it, if I do say so). Still, I can't honestly say I've sat down with it. I've used AfterEffects, but I'm far from expert in it. At one time (pre-apple purchase) I toyed with the idea of getting a linux system together to run Shake, but only because I had contact with Ron Brinkman and was vainly hoping to talk him into giving me a free seat. I kow there's a "Linux equivalent" app for AE, but last time I checked it still had a long ways to go.
Anyway, I do check out what's going on in the Linux world because it genuinely interests me, and it obviously has a strong future. I might not be as up-to-date on the latest software developments as someone who uses Linux everyday and follows it religiously, but I try to stay informed as best as I can.
I'm not even going to get into the whole "Quicktime is an architecture/container, not a format" thing right now. Let's save that for another time. I'm a Sorenson Squeeze user for compressing video into whatever format. I prefer mpeg 4 for web stuff. I used to use Media Cleaner Pro, but it became too craptacular.
Of course, a huge amont of my computer use is the typical web surfing, email, etc. For that I could move to Linux, and the adjustment might not be too painful. Hell, for all my writing needs I could use the old CP/M based wordprocessor my dad had in his office many years ago, or, if I really wanted to get primitive, an old selectric. For that matter, I still do a lot of writing with a notepad and pen. Please note, I don't mean to imply that Linux would be more primitive.
Anyway, I'm just rambling now. Sorry. Been up all night with insomnia. Thanks for your response.
*I'm not going to use the excuse that the interface is unfamiliar to me. If I could learn Photoshop, I can learn Gimp.
So in other words, the old Powerbooks contain a secret ingredient to preserve smugness. yay! my farts stil don't smell!
Dammit! I was hoping that the fact that I was still on a G4 PB would preserve my smugness! I guess this means I'm going to have to install an cat5 into the bathroom with a port next to the throne.
C'mon, don't tell me you've never taken your laptop to the "reading room".