I don't think I'll be donating to EFF anymore. What are they thinking? Why are they stooping to such low tactics? Is Boies Schiller doing pro bono work for the EFF these days?
The argument is here whether there is a priviledge here (like attorney/client, parent/child) where the sites don't have to reveal their sources...
And the law is very clear on this. Reporters do not have any such privilege, unless it can be shown that it is clearly in the public interest that the information be disseminated. Clearly, a hardware product under development does not qualify. An accounting scandal, on the other hand, would probably qualify.
Attacked in what manner? Powerpage was subpoenaed (not sued) to give up their source. Then the court ordered them to do so. Powerpage and the EFF has appealed the case.
What are the underhanded tactics Apple is supposed to be using here?
1) The story does not get it correct. The story says that Apple is suing PowerPage, which is not true.
2) The EFF is deliberately trying to confuse the issue. They're hoping to damage Apple's reputation by confusing the issue. If the EFF is going to use SCO legal tactics, they no longer have my support.
Hey Rolfwind, your straw man called and wants his false argument back.
The Constitution provides no protection to the press from withholding information when a crime has been committed. Over the years, journalists have gone to jail to protect their sources. As a result of this, some states have enacted whistleblower laws, to help journalists protect sources when having the information released in the first place is in the public's interest. In certain types of cases, where a company or branch of government is committing some malfeasance, it's in the public's interest to know, even if the divulging of the information might be considered a crime or a breach of contract.
If Apple had been dumping toxic waste, and an employee tipped off some bloggers, then the whistleblower laws would protect the bloggers and the bloggers' source.
The lower court that ruled in Apple's favor stated that there is a big difference between "the public interest" and something that might merely be "interesting to the public." The court made it a point to say that it was not distinguishing between bloggers and journalists. What it did say was that releasing information about Apple's products under development did not rise to a level of protecting the public welfare.
Lastly, and most importantly, both the article and the summary got it wrong. Apple is not suing Powerpage. Apple subpoenaed Powerpage. Apple isn't trying to shut down anyone, other than the employee or employees that are committing a crime by revealing trade secrets to the Apple Rumor sites.
I can tell you this: The whistle blower laws are important protections, but this is not the right place to battle for them. The EFF has really lost me on this one. They're trivializing important laws by continuing to fight this. Shouldn't they be focusing more of their resources on the RIAA?
Does it seem to anyone else lately that tech writers seem to have run out of ideas and are simply rolling dice with phrases on them to come up with stories?
Hey, if it works for web 2.0 companies trying to come up with business plans, why shouldn't they?
It is indeed an interesting time to be a Mac user.
keep in mind he probably wrote this column in 15 minutes while high on cough medicine.
Actually, he was only able to put down on paper the fantastic visions conjured by his drugged out mind for fifteen minutes before he was interrupted by a person from Porlock. When he was finally able to get back to writing his article, he found that the vivid images had left him, and he was left with only a few fragmentary notes.
In Cupertino did Kubla Khan[1] A stately pleasure-dome decree[2] : Where Alph, the sacred river, ran[3] Through caverns measureless to man[4] Down to a sunless sea.[5]
[1] Clearly a reference to Steve Jobs [2] Jobs announces expansion of Apple campus [3] River Alph = 1 Infinite Loop(?) [4]Undocumented Windows APIs [5]Apparently where WinFS is hiding
According to Cringely, Apple has had access to XP APIs under an tech sharing agreement between Apple and MS that was forged in 1997. (This was part of the agreement that let MS off the hook for appropriating quicktime technology into their own media products.)
Right. But Wine is NOT an implementation directly in the OS. It is middleware, by that definition. Unless there is a version of Wine that is also a stand alone OS that I'm not aware of?
Maybe you're not using the right quotes from the article to support your point.
Maybe that's true about most Johnny-come-lately Java programmers, but if someone has been coding in Java for twenty years, that means their smart enough to have mastered time travel.
This is part of a new initiative to make slashdot more efficient by posting the dupe in the original story itself. No more waiting a day or two for the dupe!
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ppht. Al Gore invented Bush.
They don't make much margin on the main device (weather large or small) the money is in the periphels.
Apple makes a healthy margin on the "main" device. This has been their M.O. for years, as far back as the original Mac.
Slashdot is for entertainment purposes only! Please, no wagering. ;)
I think you've been misinformed, but don't take it from me, click on the AC's link.
I don't think I'll be donating to EFF anymore. What are they thinking? Why are they stooping to such low tactics? Is Boies Schiller doing pro bono work for the EFF these days?
Your comment was in the prequel to the dupe, and thus it was a literary device known as foreshadowing.
Still. Kinda makes you want to subpoena slashdot for the identity of alfs boner, dinnit?
Your post made absolutely no sense. Seriously, I can't tell WTF you're trying to say.
The argument is here whether there is a priviledge here (like attorney/client, parent/child) where the sites don't have to reveal their sources...
And the law is very clear on this. Reporters do not have any such privilege, unless it can be shown that it is clearly in the public interest that the information be disseminated. Clearly, a hardware product under development does not qualify. An accounting scandal, on the other hand, would probably qualify.
Attacked in what manner? Powerpage was subpoenaed (not sued) to give up their source. Then the court ordered them to do so. Powerpage and the EFF has appealed the case.
What are the underhanded tactics Apple is supposed to be using here?
Two things.
1) The story does not get it correct. The story says that Apple is suing PowerPage, which is not true.
2) The EFF is deliberately trying to confuse the issue. They're hoping to damage Apple's reputation by confusing the issue. If the EFF is going to use SCO legal tactics, they no longer have my support.
Hey Rolfwind, your straw man called and wants his false argument back.
The Constitution provides no protection to the press from withholding information when a crime has been committed. Over the years, journalists have gone to jail to protect their sources. As a result of this, some states have enacted whistleblower laws, to help journalists protect sources when having the information released in the first place is in the public's interest. In certain types of cases, where a company or branch of government is committing some malfeasance, it's in the public's interest to know, even if the divulging of the information might be considered a crime or a breach of contract.
If Apple had been dumping toxic waste, and an employee tipped off some bloggers, then the whistleblower laws would protect the bloggers and the bloggers' source.
The lower court that ruled in Apple's favor stated that there is a big difference between "the public interest" and something that might merely be "interesting to the public." The court made it a point to say that it was not distinguishing between bloggers and journalists. What it did say was that releasing information about Apple's products under development did not rise to a level of protecting the public welfare.
Lastly, and most importantly, both the article and the summary got it wrong. Apple is not suing Powerpage. Apple subpoenaed Powerpage. Apple isn't trying to shut down anyone, other than the employee or employees that are committing a crime by revealing trade secrets to the Apple Rumor sites.
I can tell you this: The whistle blower laws are important protections, but this is not the right place to battle for them. The EFF has really lost me on this one. They're trivializing important laws by continuing to fight this. Shouldn't they be focusing more of their resources on the RIAA?
Sorry, it was just a bad joke. I would never seriously imply that you are malignantly evil like Yahoo. My apologies.
Does it seem to anyone else lately that tech writers seem to have run out of ideas and are simply rolling dice with phrases on them to come up with stories?
Hey, if it works for web 2.0 companies trying to come up with business plans, why shouldn't they?
keep in mind he probably wrote this column in 15 minutes while high on cough medicine.
Actually, he was only able to put down on paper the fantastic visions conjured by his drugged out mind for fifteen minutes before he was interrupted by a person from Porlock. When he was finally able to get back to writing his article, he found that the vivid images had left him, and he was left with only a few fragmentary notes.
[1] Clearly a reference to Steve Jobs
[2] Jobs announces expansion of Apple campus
[3] River Alph = 1 Infinite Loop(?)
[4]Undocumented Windows APIs
[5]Apparently where WinFS is hiding
You might have missed this bit in the article.
According to Cringely, Apple has had access to XP APIs under an tech sharing agreement between Apple and MS that was forged in 1997. (This was part of the agreement that let MS off the hook for appropriating quicktime technology into their own media products.)
Right. But Wine is NOT an implementation directly in the OS. It is middleware, by that definition. Unless there is a version of Wine that is also a stand alone OS that I'm not aware of?
Maybe you're not using the right quotes from the article to support your point.
Maybe Nfox aspires to be the next Yahoo.
What's really sad is that Bill Gates has hired his Cousin Oliver to head up Vista development.
God Bless you, VAXGeek!
I'm a big fan of the kottke troll in it's various incarnations. This is definitely one of the better ones.
Now maybe someone will do a "Vista is dead, Netcraft confirms it" troll.
Poster is referring to the Y2K10 bug that will affect all OSes that can't count higher than 2009.
. . . Jerry Pournelle quoting Bill Godbout about the 80286 will be powerfull enough for speech recognition . . .
It's just a matter of speaking really slowly, so as not to confuse the computer.
You know, I could be a new computer if I wanted to, but what for?
Don't you need to run BeOS if you actually want to BE a computer?
just don't pee in my mailbox and tell me it's raining!
Maybe that's true about most Johnny-come-lately Java programmers, but if someone has been coding in Java for twenty years, that means their smart enough to have mastered time travel.
This is not bad proofreading or copy editing.
This is part of a new initiative to make slashdot more efficient by posting the dupe in the original story itself. No more waiting a day or two for the dupe!