It is because of morons like you that we cannot advance. You do realize that having an ambitious program like this will develop a lot of new technologies...(snip)
Pay more attention. I am not arguing against space exploration, technological development, etc. Read my message again, and you will see that I assert that sending people into space, as you support, will prevent and delay space exploration. It is you who want to delay this dream, albeit haplessly.
Or perhaps you are Chinese
Can you not live your life without hating and demonizing other cultures? What is your problem, do you feel inferior to the Chinese? Does someone else need to lose so that you can feel you have won? I am not Chinese, I am Mexican-American. Hate me.
Now, if you try to think on the level of 100-500 years, this becomes very cost effective.
No, it doesn't, on the contrary. If you think on a scale of centuries, cost effectiveness goes to a 50- or 100-year project exclusively using robotic equipment. It would be patient, clever, focused on a wide variety of specific goals, and not very fast. In this sort of plan, the technology and experience needed to send humans to Mars a hundred years from now would be cheaply and effectively obtained. By the time people were sent up, there would be high confidence that they could perform their mission safely.
Human space exploration is not cost-effective on any time-scale.
How much wil it cost? A lot. Who will pay? Why not save far more than half of the money and only send machines for the next 30 years? What is this corny, backwards obsession with wanting to have an actual flesh-and-bones human up there?
It won't be you, so it might as well be a machine. Machines can send back immersive multimedia, so it can be as if we all went up there. Machines can survive better, even if the spacecraft takes some damage or gets bathed in radiation. Machines can do more work more consistently. We won't care if many of them get the shit beat out of them during their missions. The list goes on and on.
Manned space flight is not practical, it only gets in the way. It prevents rather than promotes space exploration.
If you took all the nuclear waste produced ever, it would only cover a football field five metres deep
I don't know if you are correct or not, but Kids, don't do this at home. The resulting meltdown would create a vast blob of extremely hot molten "nuclear waste" that will burn through the ground sending aerosolized debris with an extremely high "nuclear waste" content into the atmosphere. Since it is very hot, some of it reaches a high altitude. When the blob hits the water table, there will be a vast steam explosion, also extremely contaminated, that will produce hundreds or thousands of new meltdowns. The process repeats until there are no further steam explosions. Just a huge geological anus venting forth the most toxic material ever to appear on earth.
Of the 360 mrem that the average person is exposed to every year,.2 mrem comes from nuclear power plants or nuclear waste. Compare this to the 50 mrem people recieve from X-Ray machines at hostpitals. Or the 50 mrem we recieve from cosmic radiation. Hell, even breathing air accounts for 5 mrem.
Luckily, it is diluted in the entire planet's atmosphere. Not so with storage sites full of waste-filled drums. Think about leakage into aquifers. Not so dilute then, I suspect.
"Nuclear waste." Doesn't that sound so neat and tidy? Like when they decided to start saying "biosolids" instead of "sludge."
Misc. Saddam Hussein Henchman: We are ready to start the nuclear weapons project, Sir! [vigorously salutes]
Generalissimo Saddam:Forget about it, cancel it. [calmly, while getting blown by a knockout Filipina]
Misc. Saddam Hussein Henchman: What do you mean, Sir! We need them to fend off the infidel Americans! [incredulous]
Generalissimo Saddam:We don't need them. They already think we have them. Just buy a few aluminum cylinders and krytrons every now and then to keep them guessing. [moments before a tremendously satisfying Blowing of the Presidential Wad]
...so that nuclear power can continue to provide electricity without the production of greenhouse gases
Yay! It's environmentally friendly! None of those nasty greenhouse gases, no sir! Just waste that is very chemically toxic, emits powerful high-energy radiation, and has a half-life measured in millenia. And as an added bonus, it costs billions and billions of dollars!
Come and listen to my story about a man named Jeb
rich engineer, really kept his family fed.
Then one day he was shooting at some Dudes,
and up through the ground come a bubbling crude.
Terrorists that is, hated Liberty.
Well the first thing you know, old Jeb's a trillionaire,
Kinfolk ask, "Shell corporation where?"
Said Carlyle's the place we wanna be!
So they loaded up the Press, and the set up in DC.
White House, that is.
Saudi Princes, Parliamentary Whores.
What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand
The part where gun aficionados always omit the phrase "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State." And no, "well-regulated militia" does not imply that any bozo can possess any type of firearm without limitations, quite the contrary.
You get it, but Ms. Boland doesn't (or has been convinced to pretend she doesn't). Microsoft is trying to convey the idea that Open Source licenses destroy intellectual property and therefore stifle innovation. They are doing this for the simple reason that Open Source software will gradually destroy their ability to make money selling the same old shit they have been selling year after year.
However, if MS ever devises a way to make billions using the Open Source model, you will see such a vast philosophical about-face and massive, unbearable, and inescapable ad campaign the likes of which the human race has never known.
No sir! I'm in California, and come October 7, I'm going to vote for someone who can kick some { commie | French | Al Qaeda | People who don't invest in lobbyists } ass! That means you you { fuckin' | goddamn } { foreign | wimp-ass} piece of shit!
Vote for The Terminator for Governor. Come 2008, he'll be back!
Sigh.
Actually, I'd sooner shoot myself. My vote is for Georgy.
Note that in this particular case there might be a consensus that nothing wrong was done. Nevertheless, as a generalized, surreptitious, and informal practice, the potential for abuse is enormous. To my mind, this demands formal definition and regulation.
Then I made remarks to the effect that I don't have the habit of pirating music, software, books, etc. I don't see any inconsistency or wavering. Let me state the two main points clearly:
Stealing other people's intellectual property is and ought to be illegal.
Transmitting data from a computer to a third party without the knowledge and consent of the user ought to be illegal. I don't know if it is, but other posters in this thread claim that it is.
That the transmission has to do with antipiracy measures is not relevant. In the general case, theft is and ought to be illegal.
So you're saying that stealing something is the same as retrieving data?
Or that retrieving data (copying) is the same as stealing?
Short answer: Yes.
Note that in this particular case there might be a consensus that nothing wrong was done. Nevertheless, as a generalized, surreptitious, and informal practice, the potential for abuse is enormous. To my mind, this demands formal definition and regulation.
The "Defense" Industry and the Energy Industry got together to get a massive government subsidy to make war on some poor schmuck Third World dictatorship and take over its energy resources, coincidentally among the largest in the world.
All the MPAA and RIAA have to do is think up a War on Irate Consumers or something, and have the government spend billions of dollars over a period of, say, 50 years in order ot bolster the MPAA's and RIAA's dim-witted business models.
I don't know why developers insist upon doing that.
Easy, because software these days takes so long to load, they set it up so that it is in effect pre-loaded into RAM. It's a sort of pro-active memory leak.
Geeks to the Governor's Chair: http://www.georgyforgov.com/
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Pay more attention. I am not arguing against space exploration, technological development, etc. Read my message again, and you will see that I assert that sending people into space, as you support, will prevent and delay space exploration. It is you who want to delay this dream, albeit haplessly.
Or perhaps you are Chinese
Can you not live your life without hating and demonizing other cultures? What is your problem, do you feel inferior to the Chinese? Does someone else need to lose so that you can feel you have won? I am not Chinese, I am Mexican-American. Hate me.
No, it doesn't, on the contrary. If you think on a scale of centuries, cost effectiveness goes to a 50- or 100-year project exclusively using robotic equipment. It would be patient, clever, focused on a wide variety of specific goals, and not very fast. In this sort of plan, the technology and experience needed to send humans to Mars a hundred years from now would be cheaply and effectively obtained. By the time people were sent up, there would be high confidence that they could perform their mission safely.
Human space exploration is not cost-effective on any time-scale.
Your argument is far for appropriate for unmanned rather than manned space flight.
It won't be you, so it might as well be a machine. Machines can send back immersive multimedia, so it can be as if we all went up there. Machines can survive better, even if the spacecraft takes some damage or gets bathed in radiation. Machines can do more work more consistently. We won't care if many of them get the shit beat out of them during their missions. The list goes on and on.
Manned space flight is not practical, it only gets in the way. It prevents rather than promotes space exploration.
I don't know if you are correct or not, but Kids, don't do this at home. The resulting meltdown would create a vast blob of extremely hot molten "nuclear waste" that will burn through the ground sending aerosolized debris with an extremely high "nuclear waste" content into the atmosphere. Since it is very hot, some of it reaches a high altitude. When the blob hits the water table, there will be a vast steam explosion, also extremely contaminated, that will produce hundreds or thousands of new meltdowns. The process repeats until there are no further steam explosions. Just a huge geological anus venting forth the most toxic material ever to appear on earth.
Of the 360 mrem that the average person is exposed to every year, .2 mrem comes from nuclear power plants or nuclear waste. Compare this to the 50 mrem people recieve from X-Ray machines at hostpitals. Or the 50 mrem we recieve from cosmic radiation. Hell, even breathing air accounts for 5 mrem.
Luckily, it is diluted in the entire planet's atmosphere. Not so with storage sites full of waste-filled drums. Think about leakage into aquifers. Not so dilute then, I suspect.
"Nuclear waste." Doesn't that sound so neat and tidy? Like when they decided to start saying "biosolids" instead of "sludge."
Misc. Saddam Hussein Henchman: We are ready to start the nuclear weapons project, Sir! [vigorously salutes]
Generalissimo Saddam:Forget about it, cancel it. [calmly, while getting blown by a knockout Filipina]
Misc. Saddam Hussein Henchman: What do you mean, Sir! We need them to fend off the infidel Americans! [incredulous]
Generalissimo Saddam:We don't need them. They already think we have them. Just buy a few aluminum cylinders and krytrons every now and then to keep them guessing. [moments before a tremendously satisfying Blowing of the Presidential Wad]
Yay! It's environmentally friendly! None of those nasty greenhouse gases, no sir! Just waste that is very chemically toxic, emits powerful high-energy radiation, and has a half-life measured in millenia. And as an added bonus, it costs billions and billions of dollars!
rich engineer, really kept his family fed.
Then one day he was shooting at some Dudes,
and up through the ground come a bubbling crude.
Terrorists that is, hated Liberty.
Well the first thing you know, old Jeb's a trillionaire,
Kinfolk ask, "Shell corporation where?"
Said Carlyle's the place we wanna be!
So they loaded up the Press, and the set up in DC.
White House, that is.
Saudi Princes, Parliamentary Whores.
[Lengthy banjo duet]
The part where gun aficionados always omit the phrase "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State." And no, "well-regulated militia" does not imply that any bozo can possess any type of firearm without limitations, quite the contrary.
If you work for the CIA, do not take company messages while drinking coffee and browsing CDs at the record store.
However, if MS ever devises a way to make billions using the Open Source model, you will see such a vast philosophical about-face and massive, unbearable, and inescapable ad campaign the likes of which the human race has never known.
That isn't even very funny. The damn thing is parked not 5 miles from my house. Shit.
No sir! I'm in California, and come October 7, I'm going to vote for someone who can kick some { commie | French | Al Qaeda | People who don't invest in lobbyists } ass! That means you you { fuckin' | goddamn } { foreign | wimp-ass} piece of shit!
Vote for The Terminator for Governor. Come 2008, he'll be back!
Sigh.
Actually, I'd sooner shoot myself. My vote is for Georgy.
from an old link.
Note that in this particular case there might be a consensus that nothing wrong was done. Nevertheless, as a generalized, surreptitious, and informal practice, the potential for abuse is enormous. To my mind, this demands formal definition and regulation.
Then I made remarks to the effect that I don't have the habit of pirating music, software, books, etc. I don't see any inconsistency or wavering. Let me state the two main points clearly:
- Stealing other people's intellectual property is and ought to be illegal.
- Transmitting data from a computer to a third party without the knowledge and consent of the user ought to be illegal. I don't know if it is, but other posters in this thread claim that it is.
That the transmission has to do with antipiracy measures is not relevant. In the general case, theft is and ought to be illegal.You obviously fail to see the general issue. You only see this specific, narrow one. Good thing you're not a judge. I hope.
Wait!! You must be a patent examiner!!Or that retrieving data (copying) is the same as stealing?
Short answer: Yes.
Note that in this particular case there might be a consensus that nothing wrong was done. Nevertheless, as a generalized, surreptitious, and informal practice, the potential for abuse is enormous. To my mind, this demands formal definition and regulation.
Yeah, and people who go to your house have every right to take things with them when they leave, with no obligation to inform you of it.
Or is it? Search this article for "Oracle."
The movie business, unlike the music business, actually likes to produce good stuff
What? What planet are you on, you can't possibly be on Earth!Earth to Commander iabervon, do you read me! Commander iabervon, you're breaking up! You're breaking up!
Whelp, I guess the dude is gone. Poor guy.
The "Defense" Industry and the Energy Industry got together to get a massive government subsidy to make war on some poor schmuck Third World dictatorship and take over its energy resources, coincidentally among the largest in the world.
All the MPAA and RIAA have to do is think up a War on Irate Consumers or something, and have the government spend billions of dollars over a period of, say, 50 years in order ot bolster the MPAA's and RIAA's dim-witted business models.
Easy, because software these days takes so long to load, they set it up so that it is in effect pre-loaded into RAM. It's a sort of pro-active memory leak.
Geeks to the Governor's Chair: http://www.georgyforgov.com/