Of course, the proper course of action is to alter their contracts (after the current ones expire) to charge more money for more use, perhaps in various rates. Yes, that will drive people to other companies who don't do this...who will also lose money.
Let the market figure it out.
Your kidding right? The market doesn't have a chance when it's only ONE company (thus a monopoly) available in your area. Sure there is DSL here and there competing against Comcast. The issue is without an infrastructure in place, you can't select another vendor. It's their way or the high way.
SB 66 in utah for instance is a good example of closing a free market. For several years we've been hearing of all the great things the company was going to do for us. They sorta kept their promise. And now they are terminating people for using the service paid for.
With a free market, Comcast would't have the number of customers they do here. I haven't met anyone who says they love Comcast compared to other services. They only have the one and no other's available. Like having only one Pizza shop. They are the best right? Nobody compares to Joe Blow's Pizza Shop? Right:D
I'm taking next thursday off to sit in the audience of the subcommittee. I'm very curious what decisions they are planning on making and hope for an opportunity to speak during the citizens comment period. Hopefully SB 66 stays dead and Utopia will be allowed to expand. 17 Cities are investigating whether they should join it. If SB 66 is revived, it will kill the free market in their area.
Unfortunately, it costs 6 million dollars, and makes a very distinctive sound when in use.
Only 6 million? Dang, we should have invested when it was cheap. I've been watching the new "Bionic Woman" and heard it's now 50 million for the Bionic parts. Inflation no doubt;D
To answer your question again, Red Hat and the like don't want to start a suit that could end up with an official declaration that they *are* violating lots of Microsoft patents, and would be liable to pay up for the entire time that they've been violating said patents. And that would open the flood gates, because while Red Hat might be violating 200 (or whatever) Microsoft patents, you can be sure they are violating hundreds more patents by others, and those others will come a-knocking.
Then again, Neither does Microsoft. They are freaked by the idea that there isn't a company to purchase and finally kill the Penguin. They are freaked by the idea that their 2 billion patents might not be sufficiently strong enough to finally kill their competition.
If they thought they had a case it would be in court right now... And no, their lacky (SCO) doesn't count:D
"My opinion is that it did not happen," Doug Jacobson, an Iowa State University professor and computer security expert, testified. "Making IP spoofing work is extremely complicated. Pretending to be somebody else at the same time they're on the Internet is almost impossible to carry out.''
I'm sorry but that's simply not true. It's VERY simple to carry out and takes very little skill to do it. He must never have heard the term "script" kiddie.
There are open source tools out there that could do this without a lot of trouble. One of my favorite tools (/me takes a risk saying it) is ettercap. Sure it takes some skill to learn how to use this particular tool, but it's not like there isn't any way to learn if you really wanted to.:-)
Your right to freedom of speech is NOT unlimited, it can't by. Why? Because if it was, it'd infringe on other rights. I mean lets say you are over at my house, chattering about something. I decide I want to go to bed. However you want to keep exercising your right to free speech and just keep talking to me, refusing to leave, refusing to let me sleep. See why that doesn't work?
Yeah, I see it now.
You need to make better decisions who you bring over to your house. He sounds like a jerk;-)
AT&T claims to respect its subscribers' right to voice their opinions and says that the contract is aimed at stopping the exploitation of children, and other tangible wrongs. As the article notes, taking the company on faith after the spying scandal is asking maybe a little too much."
Not to belittle the problems with children being exploited, I feel much better when companies tell me to "think about the children."
Hell, if Comcast only said this is why they are terminating Internet accounts then I would never have started the blog in the first place;-)
On second thought, Yeah, I probably would have anyway;-)
"(c) tends to damage the name or reputation of AT&T, or its parents, affiliates and subsidiaries."
A company doesn't put this sort of thing into the TOS / AUP unless they intend to use it. I'm waiting for the first person who is critical of the company and AT&T takes it badly.
I guess AT&T wants their fair share. AT&T users may want to think twice about commenting if they value their internet service."
Just make sure there is another service in their area otherwise it's back to dial up you go. Been there, done that. Trust me... it sucks
I see several posts here of the form "its obvious this isn't a bomb because...". What everyone is overlooking is the fact that the average person at the airport, including the guards, are not nerds that would have knowledge of C4 or how bombs really work, etc. They don't all read Slashdot.
After quickly looking at the mediadefender_decoy_upload_iplist.txt, these guys are taking up way too many addresses and need to be cutting back. IPv6 isn't being rolled out fast enough to meet their needs.;-)
The site has been running intermittently since its launch, and the disruptions are thought to be the result of massive traffic coupled with a denial of service attack apparently launched by MediaDefender.
And all this time I thought DOS's were against the law...
Now, I'm no lawyer but it sounds like you gave up your "right" to saturate the link all day every day, or even during peak times. In fact, that could be read as "You agree that we can limit your usage if we feel that you are taking more than your share of our service." I suspect that is where Comcast and others get to set a limit and not provide a precise number.
Ok. So tell me what that limit was? What did I purchase in the "Unlimited use for a flat monthly fee" service which was also upgraded when they said I needed to upgrade to a Business account?
Answer?
You don't know and they won't tell you.
Oh, and we have YET to break 50 Gigs a month. My current ISP has tracking tools and I can see exactly how much I consume thank you.
The State has confirmed today that it has struck a deal with Comcast to provide monitoring services stating had Comcast's service been in place, no one would have died as their Internet service would have been terminated in time to save the victim.
Comcast has yet to release a statement about the deal however the President has been heard stating in the back "It's Comcastic!!"
Put simply, if Comcast published a limit, it would destroy the myth that their service is unlimited -- a myth from which they still benefit immensely. They'd much rather take the PR hit of a few people complaining of cut-off's by claiming these people were "abusing" the service.
Perhaps but they are taking a bigger PR hit every month. Not to mention my blog has been slashdotted and digged a couple times, reporters are now calling me along with other's who have expressed an interest in speaking out to anybody who cares about the Internet and so on.
Cox Communications years ago used to pull this kind of stunt. That is until their customers forced the company to reveal it's limits.
Comcast can deceive people only so long before it comes back to bite them, just like it happened to Cox Communications.
The ISPs claim that the term "Unlimited" is described as meaning "Unlimited right of access", "always-on", "available 24/7"; as opposed to offers which limit the amount of hours you can be online.
They do now, not when I signed up along with my neighborhood 4 years ago.
I posted the link to archive.org on my blog which positively proves this. It was on Comcast's web site until a couple years ago apparently.
So that's quite a bit of data for thirty bucks a month.
So is the issue that it's a lot of data for $30 a month or that they are terminating user accounts 30 days after telling people to cut back usage without giving any guidance on what is acceptable use?
Using only 8% of the pipe they have can get them to around 200 Gigs a month. Only 8%. So faster speeds mean you can get into trouble with Comcast even faster.
I don't think Comcast advertises "unlimited use" anymore. The ads I've seen talk about the following features of Comcast High-Speed Internet:
Actually, when I signed up they did. So are they in violation of their contract with me and everyone else who signed up?
Oh and here is the advertisement at the time I signed up.
either way, the company is irresponsible in the manner it treats its customers. You get one phone call, no idea how much you are allowed to consume in a month, then get terminated for 12 months if you don't meet their "mysterious" bandwidth cap.
And yes, it's happened quite frequently. People more and more are hearing about my blog and posting their experiences there.
Most don't believe the numbers being quoted. People who have been monitoring their usage can prove what they have used. But when they tell Comcast they are wrong, they are gone anyway.
It doesn't take many people getting screwed by the company before this starts to become a real problem.
Plaintiffs filed a complaint against Defendant on November 14, 2007, alleging copyright infringement. According to the complaint, Defendant used and continued to use an online media distribution system to download Plaintiffs' copyrighted recordings and distribute and/or make them available for distribution to the public. Defendant was served with the summons and complaint by personal service on December 14, 2006. Plaintiff did not file a responsive pleading and on April 13, 2007, the Clerk entered default. Notice of entry of default was served on Defendant by mail on April
18, 2007. Plaintiffs then filed the instant motion for entry of default judgment on July 19, 2007.
So, how did the file a complaint on November 14, 2007?? Did I miss something:0
Someone has been watching the movie "Time Machine" once too many times:-)
While Comcast's recent actions threaten to stifle innovation in this space, Netflix and Amazon Unbox will eventually win. Not to mention YouTube. What is interesting is that related industries such as video search engines and content producers like this will flourish.
I'd like to see some statistics on how many people upload videos vs. how many download/watch them.
I appreciate someone recognizing how serious this is becoming. While not a problem such as world hunger or wars, it's not like this is a non issue either.
I wouldn't mind seeing some statistics myself. I'll look around and post it on my blog should I find any. Companies like Comcast essentially harm our progress while other countries are moving ahead of America. This is why I've been focusing my blog more towards those issues instead of always posting about Comcast's lunacy and arrogance. Here in West Jordan we're making progress with bringing Utopia to the masses. The City Council and Mayor I've learned are big impediments and don't understand why services like Utopia are needed for our economic growth. Pity, and I was getting to like them. We're looking to go with a petition and perhaps force the issue with a ballot vote if it comes down to it. Hell, maybe even replace them. It may come down to that.
It's interesting to see just how big online video and other multimedia services are getting. And that scares the crap out of companies like Comcast.
Q: Some people are saying that WGA is spyware. Is this true? A:
Broadly speaking, spyware is deceptive software that is installed on a user's computer without the user's consent and has some malicious purpose. WGA is installed with the consent of the user and seeks only to notify the user if a proper license is not in place. If the user declines the EULA, WGA Notifications will not be installed on user's machine. Once installed, WGA Notifications becomes a permanent part of Windows XP software, and therefore cannot be uninstalled. However, users can disable non-genuine reminders by changing WGA Notifications setting in the system tray icon. WGA is not spyware.
So by definition, this was updated using spyware provided courtesy of Micro$oft. I'll bet Windows Defender didn't catch this one:D
Slashdot Mirror
Of course, the proper course of action is to alter their contracts (after the current ones expire) to charge more money for more use, perhaps in various rates. Yes, that will drive people to other companies who don't do this...who will also lose money.
:D
Let the market figure it out.
Your kidding right? The market doesn't have a chance when it's only ONE company (thus a monopoly) available in your area. Sure there is DSL here and there competing against Comcast. The issue is without an infrastructure in place, you can't select another vendor. It's their way or the high way.
SB 66 in utah for instance is a good example of closing a free market. For several years we've been hearing of all the great things the company was going to do for us. They sorta kept their promise. And now they are terminating people for using the service paid for.
With a free market, Comcast would't have the number of customers they do here. I haven't met anyone who says they love Comcast compared to other services. They only have the one and no other's available. Like having only one Pizza shop. They are the best right? Nobody compares to Joe Blow's Pizza Shop? Right
I'm taking next thursday off to sit in the audience of the subcommittee. I'm very curious what decisions they are planning on making and hope for an opportunity to speak during the citizens comment period. Hopefully SB 66 stays dead and Utopia will be allowed to expand. 17 Cities are investigating whether they should join it. If SB 66 is revived, it will kill the free market in their area.
HAMMERTIME!
;-)
(now discussion can continue as normal.)
You are brave to use the RIAA's copyrighted material. I salute You!
'Bionic' Nerve To Repair Damaged Limbs and Organs
;D
Unfortunately, it costs 6 million dollars, and makes a very distinctive sound when in use.
Only 6 million? Dang, we should have invested when it was cheap. I've been watching the new "Bionic Woman" and heard it's now 50 million for the Bionic parts. Inflation no doubt
To answer your question again, Red Hat and the like don't want to start a suit that could end up with an official declaration that they *are* violating lots of Microsoft patents, and would be liable to pay up for the entire time that they've been violating said patents. And that would open the flood gates, because while Red Hat might be violating 200 (or whatever) Microsoft patents, you can be sure they are violating hundreds more patents by others, and those others will come a-knocking.
:D
Then again, Neither does Microsoft. They are freaked by the idea that there isn't a company to purchase and finally kill the Penguin. They are freaked by the idea that their 2 billion patents might not be sufficiently strong enough to finally kill their competition.
If they thought they had a case it would be in court right now... And no, their lacky (SCO) doesn't count
But an expert witness disagreed.
:-)
"My opinion is that it did not happen," Doug Jacobson, an Iowa State University professor and computer security expert, testified. "Making IP spoofing work is extremely complicated. Pretending to be somebody else at the same time they're on the Internet is almost impossible to carry out.''
I'm sorry but that's simply not true. It's VERY simple to carry out and takes very little skill to do it. He must never have heard the term "script" kiddie.
There are open source tools out there that could do this without a lot of trouble. One of my favorite tools (/me takes a risk saying it) is ettercap. Sure it takes some skill to learn how to use this particular tool, but it's not like there isn't any way to learn if you really wanted to.
I generally pay for my music.
Shame on you. Buying music is the same as supporting terrorists.
I'll bet you he also buys gasoline. Where's Homeland Security when you need them?
.... I didn't even bought a license as you claimed before. I bought nothing at all. So what exactly did I buy from you?
Never ending frustration from a cartel.
The Mafia never had it so good.
Your right to freedom of speech is NOT unlimited, it can't by. Why? Because if it was, it'd infringe on other rights. I mean lets say you are over at my house, chattering about something. I decide I want to go to bed. However you want to keep exercising your right to free speech and just keep talking to me, refusing to leave, refusing to let me sleep. See why that doesn't work?
;-)
Yeah, I see it now.
You need to make better decisions who you bring over to your house. He sounds like a jerk
AT&T claims to respect its subscribers' right to voice their opinions and says that the contract is aimed at stopping the exploitation of children, and other tangible wrongs. As the article notes, taking the company on faith after the spying scandal is asking maybe a little too much."
;-)
;-)
Not to belittle the problems with children being exploited, I feel much better when companies tell me to "think about the children."
Hell, if Comcast only said this is why they are terminating Internet accounts then I would never have started the blog in the first place
On second thought, Yeah, I probably would have anyway
"(c) tends to damage the name or reputation of AT&T, or its parents, affiliates and subsidiaries."
A company doesn't put this sort of thing into the TOS / AUP unless they intend to use it. I'm waiting for the first person who is critical of the company and AT&T takes it badly.
I guess AT&T wants their fair share. AT&T users may want to think twice about commenting if they value their internet service."
Just make sure there is another service in their area otherwise it's back to dial up you go. Been there, done that. Trust me... it sucks
I see several posts here of the form "its obvious this isn't a bomb because...". What everyone is overlooking is the fact that the average person at the airport, including the guards, are not nerds that would have knowledge of C4 or how bombs really work, etc. They don't all read Slashdot.
:-)
So... some of them read slashdot? Serious?
After quickly looking at the mediadefender_decoy_upload_iplist.txt, these guys are taking up way too many addresses and need to be cutting back. IPv6 isn't being rolled out fast enough to meet their needs. ;-)
The site has been running intermittently since its launch, and the disruptions are thought to be the result of massive traffic coupled with a denial of service attack apparently launched by MediaDefender.
And all this time I thought DOS's were against the law...
I guess you are right.
My mistake
What assets and ip?
:-)
The several dozen copies of the Book of Mormon ?
What?
So now SCO is claiming ownership of the Book or Mormon?
Time for me to call my Bishop. I think someone in SCO is lying.... oh wait.. we already knew that. Never mind
Now, I'm no lawyer but it sounds like you gave up your "right" to saturate the link all day every day, or even during peak times. In fact, that could be read as "You agree that we can limit your usage if we feel that you are taking more than your share of our service." I suspect that is where Comcast and others get to set a limit and not provide a precise number.
Ok. So tell me what that limit was? What did I purchase in the "Unlimited use for a flat monthly fee" service which was also upgraded when they said I needed to upgrade to a Business account?
Answer?
You don't know and they won't tell you.
Oh, and we have YET to break 50 Gigs a month. My current ISP has tracking tools and I can see exactly how much I consume thank you.
The State has confirmed today that it has struck a deal with Comcast to provide monitoring services stating had Comcast's service been in place, no one would have died as their Internet service would have been terminated in time to save the victim.
Comcast has yet to release a statement about the deal however the President has been heard stating in the back "It's Comcastic!!"
It also says they guarantee 1500 kbps. If you're going to hold them to PART of that ad, you must hold them to all and accept the lower speed.
that would explain WHY it was always slow in the evenings.
Thanks for the clarify.
So they arbitrarily enforce a one sided contract with undisclosed terms?
:D
I think you just answered your own question.
Yup
It was more rhetorical to than anything
Put simply, if Comcast published a limit, it would destroy the myth that their service is unlimited -- a myth from which they still benefit immensely. They'd much rather take the PR hit of a few people complaining of cut-off's by claiming these people were "abusing" the service.
Perhaps but they are taking a bigger PR hit every month. Not to mention my blog has been slashdotted and digged a couple times, reporters are now calling me along with other's who have expressed an interest in speaking out to anybody who cares about the Internet and so on.
Cox Communications years ago used to pull this kind of stunt. That is until their customers forced the company to reveal it's limits.
Comcast can deceive people only so long before it comes back to bite them, just like it happened to Cox Communications.
The ISPs claim that the term "Unlimited" is described as meaning "Unlimited right of access", "always-on", "available 24/7"; as opposed to offers which limit the amount of hours you can be online.
They do now, not when I signed up along with my neighborhood 4 years ago.
I posted the link to archive.org on my blog which positively proves this. It was on Comcast's web site until a couple years ago apparently.
why doesn't Comcast just provide an exact limit?
I want to know so I can use up 99% of my quota.
I think you just answered your own question.
So they arbitrarily enforce a one sided contract with undisclosed terms?
30k songs @ 6 megs / mp3 = 180 gigs
250k pictures @ 1 meg/jpg = 250 gigs
13M emails @ 20k/email = 260 gigs
180 gigs / 4.3 gigs per dvd = 42 DVD movies
So that's quite a bit of data for thirty bucks a month.
So is the issue that it's a lot of data for $30 a month or that they are terminating user accounts 30 days after telling people to cut back usage without giving any guidance on what is acceptable use?
Using only 8% of the pipe they have can get them to around 200 Gigs a month. Only 8%. So faster speeds mean you can get into trouble with Comcast even faster.
That's concerning.
I don't think Comcast advertises "unlimited use" anymore. The ads I've seen talk about the following features of Comcast High-Speed Internet:
Actually, when I signed up they did. So are they in violation of their contract with me and everyone else who signed up?
Oh and here is the advertisement at the time I signed up.
either way, the company is irresponsible in the manner it treats its customers. You get one phone call, no idea how much you are allowed to consume in a month, then get terminated for 12 months if you don't meet their "mysterious" bandwidth cap.
And yes, it's happened quite frequently. People more and more are hearing about my blog and posting their experiences there.
Most don't believe the numbers being quoted. People who have been monitoring their usage can prove what they have used. But when they tell Comcast they are wrong, they are gone anyway.
It doesn't take many people getting screwed by the company before this starts to become a real problem.
From TFA,
:0
:-)
II. BACKGROUND
Plaintiffs filed a complaint against Defendant on November 14, 2007, alleging copyright infringement. According to the complaint, Defendant used and continued to use an online media distribution system to download Plaintiffs' copyrighted recordings and distribute and/or make them available for distribution to the public. Defendant was served with the summons and complaint by personal service on December 14, 2006. Plaintiff did not file a responsive pleading and on April 13, 2007, the Clerk entered default. Notice of entry of default was served on Defendant by mail on April
18, 2007. Plaintiffs then filed the instant motion for entry of default judgment on July 19, 2007.
So, how did the file a complaint on November 14, 2007?? Did I miss something
Someone has been watching the movie "Time Machine" once too many times
While Comcast's recent actions threaten to stifle innovation in this space, Netflix and Amazon Unbox will eventually win. Not to mention YouTube. What is interesting is that related industries such as video search engines and content producers like this will flourish.
I'd like to see some statistics on how many people upload videos vs. how many download/watch them.
I appreciate someone recognizing how serious this is becoming. While not a problem such as world hunger or wars, it's not like this is a non issue either.
I wouldn't mind seeing some statistics myself. I'll look around and post it on my blog should I find any. Companies like Comcast essentially harm our progress while other countries are moving ahead of America. This is why I've been focusing my blog more towards those issues instead of always posting about Comcast's lunacy and arrogance. Here in West Jordan we're making progress with bringing Utopia to the masses. The City Council and Mayor I've learned are big impediments and don't understand why services like Utopia are needed for our economic growth. Pity, and I was getting to like them. We're looking to go with a petition and perhaps force the issue with a ballot vote if it comes down to it. Hell, maybe even replace them. It may come down to that.
It's interesting to see just how big online video and other multimedia services are getting. And that scares the crap out of companies like Comcast.
Here is where I found this. Very interesting
:D
Q: Some people are saying that WGA is spyware. Is this true?
A:
Broadly speaking, spyware is deceptive software that is installed on a user's computer without the user's consent and has some malicious purpose. WGA is installed with the consent of the user and seeks only to notify the user if a proper license is not in place. If the user declines the EULA, WGA Notifications will not be installed on user's machine. Once installed, WGA Notifications becomes a permanent part of Windows XP software, and therefore cannot be uninstalled. However, users can disable non-genuine reminders by changing WGA Notifications setting in the system tray icon. WGA is not spyware.
So by definition, this was updated using spyware provided courtesy of Micro$oft. I'll bet Windows Defender didn't catch this one