No. 11500000 *.01% = 11500000 *.0001 = 1150 Do you work for Verizon?;)
Oops. Actually it's the result of not sleeping this weekend. We were working nearly around the clock installing DST patches. Going to bed at 4am then waking up a few hours later is rough:D
(I guess I could weasel in some cellular data network, but that's a stretch)
I was in the same boat until last Monday. Basically DSL is in and I ordered their 7 Meg pipe. Very nice.
Satellite is expensive. I almost went that direction. A little birdy told me DSL would shortly be on it's way. Glad I listened. What's amazing is I"m saving $30 / month with DSL and Dish. Comcast was seriously overcharging me. I'm glad they terminated my HSI now:D
Seems like we've seen this story here before. Basically another Bittorrent user gets pissed that Comcast doesn't want them pulling down a terabyte every month; so they post it to/. where they know a vocal few will attempt to make it appear to be a mainstream issue.
Huh? People purchase bandwidth not meg per month as Comcast doesn't have a download cap. Ask them right now. Talk to a CSR and they will tell you. No download limit. Heck, I posted the live chat I had with one on my blog. They are very clear on what HSI customers purchased.
I would say this is a mainstream issue. My current ISP Xmission provides very clear limits on what I can consume each week and each month. Cox Communications and other's also very clearly stipulate what consumers purchase. But not Comcast. And you are terminated for 12 months with no recourse.
Since Comcast disconnected me in January I've been researching the issue..01% of their 11.5 Million customers is 115,000 people to be terminated. Hardly a vocal few.
I'm glad to see this finally on Slashdot. I've been pushing for Comcast to provide full disclosure since I was terminated. I didn't have DSL in my area until last Monday so now I'm not dealing with 28.8 speeds. While this may be legal, I'm hoping Comcast will come clean. I really appreciate Carolyn from the Boston Globe for publishing the story. There are many other articles coming from various consumer advocate groups in the next couple months so stay tuned.
Since Comcast disconnected me in january, I've found dozens of people who have been disconnected across the country. What's amusing is Comcast is untilling to disclose what "Acceptable Use" is. They only point to their AUP/TOS on their web site and tell you to read it and follow it. Cox Communications and other reputable providers will tell you what Acceptable is in real numbers (50 Gigs a month, 80 Gigs and so on). Comcast will ONLY tell you an example of what Abuse is.
They say an abuser downloads 256,000 photos or 30,000 sounds or 13 million (that's right, million) emails a month. So on my blog I posted what Comcast is saying in english. Abusers of their system are downloasing around 200-250 Gigs a month which is 100 times more than their "average" user. So the average user is only downloading about 1 - 2 Gigs a month. Hardly using the service in my book. Not really streaming video, purchasing movies from Amazon.com Unbox or anything. If you purchase 2 HD-DVD videos from Amazon and download them then you are already violating AUP/TOS with Comcast. Tonight I've updated my blog to include stories of other's who are providing videos for download online.
I've posted my story on the web at my blog. I'm hoping to get the word out and have people look at fiber networks such as Utopia. Their fiber infrastructure provides choices. If a company (such as Comcast) is abusing customers, they can choose another. Of course having a 1 gig pipe to the house is also faster than anything Cable can provide. Must be why Verizon is rolling out FiOS.
Anyway, Major Kudos to Carolyn at the Boston Globe!
Based on your early blogs, it sounds a lot like a virus turned your computer(s) into a botnet. Did you ever take a look into that angle to see if that's what was causing your problem?
According to McAfee software (provided by Comcast of course), we were clean. I did notice my machine was running reeaaallllyyy slow. A neighbor rcommended F-Secure. I downloaded the trial from his computer and was shocked to find 24 viruses and 3 spyware programs running.
Now my system is much quicker, I've replaced McAfee with F-Secure and I'm getting DSL today (ordered the 7 Meg package).
I had no idea McAfee couldn't protect my system as well as other's. It's been an education. Comcast btw said it's not possible for spyware or that ilk to use this much bandwidth. Oh well.. I'm happier now that I'm using Dish and DSL:-)
I've thought about this lately. I've been concerned if I posted anything like Comcast's logo or anything on my blog that remotely looked like them that I would be shutdown.
I'm at http://comcastissue.blogspot.com/ and have had a few people email me asking if I was concerned Comcast might come after me for something. Not really as it's clearly stated at the top that it's my opinion and experience with the company. Besides, I'm very good at keeping records. I have records backing up everything I said.
I've even recently posted my phone records, a screen shot of our customer history (got it from a Comcast CSR last week) along with other things I've been saving. So if I'm shutdown for Copyright then there is a serious problem with those laws. The blog is clean.
they simply call you once then disconnect your HSI the next month even if you have reduced your usage. I've written a blog to keep track of what I've experienced and what other's have passed along.
The sad thing is it may be perfectly legal. Too bad companies such as Comcast aren't upgrading their old infrastructure so it can handle the increased usage. After all, today's files are getting larger and larger. Zudeo for instance has a number of DVD movies you can legally download via bit torrent (yes, you can legally use bit torrent::grinz::). "Reign of the Fallen" is by far my favorite.
I wish to get the word out and yes, it's accurate despite Comcast's allegation that it's not. I'm the author and maintainer for the blog. Everything can be proven. I've documented my whole experience so other's won't have to go through the garbage I have. I'm also pushing for real competition as I believe it will make even a mega corp reconsider unfair business practices and improve.
Does this study differentiate between residential broadband and broadband being brought into a business or government entity? It seems to me that broadband is very prevalent in the US where it counts: at work and school. At home it's not. I'm sure that price and availability are factors, but I imagine lack of desire to switch to broadband is just as equal a factor. There are a lot of people who just don't care if AOL is a little bit faster if all they're going to be doing is checking e-mail and using AIM.
True. When I had Comcast HSI and they asked me to switch to a Business account it was decided they wanted me to upgrade then to a Commercial Account. The original verbal quote was $1700 to connect and $1000 monthly. Just received a call today from their Security Assurance Group. They will be giving me a quote hopefully soon (been waiting 2 weeks for it). I'm told the cost could be as much as $10,000 to connect and $2000 monthly.
We need services like Verizon Fios and Utopianet.org to fend off this kinda crap. Broadband shouldn't be this difficult to come by or this expensive especially since we came up with it:-)
Okay, bring on the "copyright infringement is not theft!!!" lines, I believe that's true. And in fact, so does the law... copyright infringement has much stiffer penalties than mere theft. I don't believe that's right if the infringer is not gaining financially (I.E. selling bootlegs on the street) but I don't feel there are many places where the law is not just.
To clarify a point. Isn't copyright law written to protect against unauthorized distribution? Meaning you don't have the right to distribute a work? Or does it also cover receiving the work someone else was distributing?
Hmm, you have real data (I trust mrtg) and they claim they have unreliable data they won't share with you. Did you talk to your town government about this (the ones who allow Comcast to service the citizenry)? It sounds like you have a good case.
Actually we filed complaints with several Government agencies including the FTC, FCC, and the Attorney General for our State. Also with the BBB and I am currently working with getting Utopianet approved in my city. Once that's complete I plan on working to get it approved throughout Utah.
I want Comcast's influence severely reduced. They will be less arrogant that way.
Oh and I also contacted KUTV and have been working with Bill Gephart. Sounds like he will be not just interviewing me but also other's I've found with very similar stories. I understand yesterday he's been in contact with Comcast's media relations who said they will look into the matter and get back with him.
I'm curious what the end result will be. Especially since Comcast has stated they have no records of my calling them in December to their Customer Service. That's funny since my T-Mobile phone bill shows multiple calls on the days in question. I wonder who's not being honest now:-)
How much did you use? Did you get a warning letter or just summarily dropped? Local franchise agreements might have something to say about this.
I honestly don't have a firm number. My firewall shows 30 Gigs for the month in question (I have mrtg running on it). Comcast called my wife and gave her one number (250 Gigs) and gave me a different number (297 gigs) when I called later.
Of course they don't provide a link like some companies (xmission.com) for the end user to check. When asked they simply said they didn't know how I would be able to verify they didn't get it wrong. Personally I'm pretty sure they are way off.
Telecom companies are implementing things like traffic shaping--that thing which squashes your bittorrent traffic while still allowing VOIP and google access to run at full speed.
I'm ok with that. I pull down Linux ISO's occasionally, the WoW patches I believe are all through p2p plus I'm a big fan of Zudeo (reign of the fallen DVD rocks!). If it took longer to download I'm not terribly worried about it. Disconnecting customers on the other hand...:-)
Lately, the telecom companies have started hinting that they might start charging for optimal delivery. That is that CNN's website, having paid for premium delivery with your ISP, will have 8x the bandwidth available to you as, for instance, youtube.
Net neutrality is the opposite of that. It dictates that all traffic must be treated equally.
Ok I get it. That's not terribly great for the consumer especially since we're the ones paying for everything already. To charge us again is double dipping.
I haven't thought much about Net Neutrality until Comcast disconnected my HSI service and terminated the account because I used the internet too much. Now I'm finding people all over the country who have had similar problems including a journalist for the Deseret Spectacle.
I've found other people throughout Utah who are dealing with this problem. My search has lead me to other states with people asking the same questions I have been asking .
This is just a couple of instances where Comcast has demonstrated unfair business practices. I'm wondering if Net Neutrality would curb this sort of abuse from companies. I'm ok with following the rules (don't get me wrong). But to be expected to minimize Internet usage without knowing what the rules are is pure B.S.
Heck, I've had people on my blog accuse me of all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately, it's not even close to the truth.
If I'm misunderstanding what Net Neutrality is please enlighten me.
BTW, if you are from Utah and have been disconnected by Comcast please contact me by posting on the blog. I receive all messages. I'm compiling a list and plan on passing it along to Bill Gephart. We've been working for the last few weeks to resolve this. He's already begun interviewing people I've found. Thanks!
If you're serious about using Linux, and you absolutely have to have Exchange and MS Office, you need to come to terms with running those applications in a terminal services environment...Or, (for Exchange) if you're a cheapskate, just use the Exchange web interface that fricking comes with Exchange! It doesn't look as good in Firefox as it does in IE, but if you're doing it on a shoestring, that's what you get, and it is feature complete.
I agree. If you really need everything to work then you have little choice but to go with a Windows solution. Personally I've been using both crossover office pro and vmware (depending on the situation). It's a pain but then again Microsoft I believe designed it to be difficult to maintain their Monopoly.
No wonder the EU is pushing for more openess from Microsoft. They are feeling it too.
I'm pretty much guessing that he took a job with Comcast and this IS their normal operation procedure. They typically do not know wha the left or right hand is doing, managers will make offers that are outside what HR accepts as normal and never push through the right paperwork to make the exception. I know guys there that after starting work were being paid less than they were offered and it took months to fix.
Some of the other reasons I left the place.
Sounds about right. I'm currently in a dispute with comcast and believe this is their standard operating procedure. Basically my home internet was terminated last friday for using too much bandwidth on my "unlimited use for a flat monthly fee" account.
I'm writing up a blurb on it for slashdot soon. It's not over yet. I've even gone as far as filing complaints with the FTC and contacting "Bill Gephart" on kutv.com/consumer. Unfortunately I can't get DSL, Wireless OR Utopianet.org (thanks to comcast for that last one). It's comcast or a 56k modem. More hopefully soon.
To be fair, Bill Gates denied saying it, and nobody has come up with an original cite or witness to the quote. That doesn't mean that he didn't say something "wrong or stupid" (which he admits to doing on other occasions). Not like he hasn't been wrong in the recent past (SPAM predictions, for example - it's been two years, Bill, and it's getting worse.
While it's possible he's innocent of saying something that funny, Intel for instance has it on their web site in a 2004 article:
The teacher of the science class had apparently even taken the step of stating at the start of the school year that there were other theories on the origin of life
Those other "theories" are not "scientific theories"
In addition, I would say none of them are theories with a great deal of proof behind them either. In general the theories put forth are great ideas or stories but have not been provable scientifically.
I would not be that surprised if most countries in the industrial world require such things. Just because a law existed under Nazi Germany does not make it forever suspect.
Your statement makes sense however my statement was to remind it that it should be a warning to the future.
Who watches the watchers should be thought of before implementing any such system.
As bad as this may sound to many people, isn't this what Hitler pushed in Nazi Germany? Pushing everyone into a "national id card" system, taking away the citizens guns and so on?
I've been studying WW 2 these last few months and it's rather disturbing to see America doing the same things 65 years later.
Not a troll or anything. For any serious student of WW 2 you have to admit it's becoming a problem. I'm certainly not in favor of these for one simple reason. Who watches the watchers?
I'd maintain that it's immoral and unreasonable to expect a police officer to put his life on the line to protect mine if I'm unwilling to take the steps to do it myself, aside from the minor fact that if I'm in a situation where I have to defend myself it's exceedingly unlikely a police officer will be able to reach me in time to help anyway. I think a large part of our problems stem from the larger and larger percentage of people that expect the government to solve all their problems instead of taking care of their own damn selves.
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No. 11500000 * .01% = 11500000 * .0001 = 1150 ;)
:D
Do you work for Verizon?
Oops. Actually it's the result of not sleeping this weekend. We were working nearly around the clock installing DST patches. Going to bed at 4am then waking up a few hours later is rough
Glad to!
:D
Option #1: Comcast
Option #2: Satellite
Option #3: Dialup
(I guess I could weasel in some cellular data network, but that's a stretch)
I was in the same boat until last Monday. Basically DSL is in and I ordered their 7 Meg pipe. Very nice.
Satellite is expensive. I almost went that direction. A little birdy told me DSL would shortly be on it's way. Glad I listened. What's amazing is I"m saving $30 / month with DSL and Dish. Comcast was seriously overcharging me. I'm glad they terminated my HSI now
Seems like we've seen this story here before. Basically another Bittorrent user gets pissed that Comcast doesn't want them pulling down a terabyte every month; so they post it to /. where they know a vocal few will attempt to make it appear to be a mainstream issue.
.01% of their 11.5 Million customers is 115,000 people to be terminated. Hardly a vocal few.
Huh? People purchase bandwidth not meg per month as Comcast doesn't have a download cap. Ask them right now. Talk to a CSR and they will tell you. No download limit. Heck, I posted the live chat I had with one on my blog. They are very clear on what HSI customers purchased.
I would say this is a mainstream issue. My current ISP Xmission provides very clear limits on what I can consume each week and each month. Cox Communications and other's also very clearly stipulate what consumers purchase. But not Comcast. And you are terminated for 12 months with no recourse.
Since Comcast disconnected me in January I've been researching the issue.
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with you here.
Comcast says that only .01 percent of its 11.5 million residential high-speed Internet customers fall into this category.
ONLY 1,150 customers are at risk of being cut off?
Actually, isn't that number 115,000? Sounds like a lot of people to me
I'm glad to see this finally on Slashdot. I've been pushing for Comcast to provide full disclosure since I was terminated. I didn't have DSL in my area until last Monday so now I'm not dealing with 28.8 speeds. While this may be legal, I'm hoping Comcast will come clean. I really appreciate Carolyn from the Boston Globe for publishing the story. There are many other articles coming from various consumer advocate groups in the next couple months so stay tuned.
Since Comcast disconnected me in january, I've found dozens of people who have been disconnected across the country. What's amusing is Comcast is untilling to disclose what "Acceptable Use" is. They only point to their AUP/TOS on their web site and tell you to read it and follow it. Cox Communications and other reputable providers will tell you what Acceptable is in real numbers (50 Gigs a month, 80 Gigs and so on). Comcast will ONLY tell you an example of what Abuse is.
They say an abuser downloads 256,000 photos or 30,000 sounds or 13 million (that's right, million) emails a month. So on my blog I posted what Comcast is saying in english. Abusers of their system are downloasing around 200-250 Gigs a month which is 100 times more than their "average" user. So the average user is only downloading about 1 - 2 Gigs a month. Hardly using the service in my book. Not really streaming video, purchasing movies from Amazon.com Unbox or anything. If you purchase 2 HD-DVD videos from Amazon and download them then you are already violating AUP/TOS with Comcast. Tonight I've updated my blog to include stories of other's who are providing videos for download online.
I've posted my story on the web at my blog. I'm hoping to get the word out and have people look at fiber networks such as Utopia. Their fiber infrastructure provides choices. If a company (such as Comcast) is abusing customers, they can choose another. Of course having a 1 gig pipe to the house is also faster than anything Cable can provide. Must be why Verizon is rolling out FiOS.
Anyway, Major Kudos to Carolyn at the Boston Globe!
Based on your early blogs, it sounds a lot like a virus turned your computer(s) into a botnet. Did you ever take a look into that angle to see if that's what was causing your problem?
:-)
According to McAfee software (provided by Comcast of course), we were clean. I did notice my machine was running reeaaallllyyy slow. A neighbor rcommended F-Secure. I downloaded the trial from his computer and was shocked to find 24 viruses and 3 spyware programs running.
Now my system is much quicker, I've replaced McAfee with F-Secure and I'm getting DSL today (ordered the 7 Meg package).
I had no idea McAfee couldn't protect my system as well as other's. It's been an education. Comcast btw said it's not possible for spyware or that ilk to use this much bandwidth. Oh well.. I'm happier now that I'm using Dish and DSL
I've thought about this lately. I've been concerned if I posted anything like Comcast's logo or anything on my blog that remotely looked like them that I would be shutdown.
I'm at http://comcastissue.blogspot.com/ and have had a few people email me asking if I was concerned Comcast might come after me for something. Not really as it's clearly stated at the top that it's my opinion and experience with the company. Besides, I'm very good at keeping records. I have records backing up everything I said.
I've even recently posted my phone records, a screen shot of our customer history (got it from a Comcast CSR last week) along with other things I've been saving. So if I'm shutdown for Copyright then there is a serious problem with those laws. The blog is clean.
"And since when does the RIAA get to act like feds and be part of a raid?"
Is this even legal? I read the article and couldn't image they would have police powers and be part of the raid itself. It boggles the mind.
I do not know what it is going to take, but somehow, these **AA assclowns have to be stopped.
I wish there was a way to incite a universal boycott of ALL **AA related products. Perhaps that would get someone's attention.
Agreed. Perhaps taking these guys to court and fighting them will get this junk the attention of the Government. It's abuse of American Citizens.
they simply call you once then disconnect your HSI the next month even if you have reduced your usage. I've written a blog to keep track of what I've experienced and what other's have passed along.
::grinz::). "Reign of the Fallen" is by far my favorite.
The sad thing is it may be perfectly legal. Too bad companies such as Comcast aren't upgrading their old infrastructure so it can handle the increased usage. After all, today's files are getting larger and larger. Zudeo for instance has a number of DVD movies you can legally download via bit torrent (yes, you can legally use bit torrent
Anyway, My blog is here.
I wish to get the word out and yes, it's accurate despite Comcast's allegation that it's not. I'm the author and maintainer for the blog. Everything can be proven. I've documented my whole experience so other's won't have to go through the garbage I have. I'm also pushing for real competition as I believe it will make even a mega corp reconsider unfair business practices and improve.
Does this study differentiate between residential broadband and broadband being brought into a business or government entity? It seems to me that broadband is very prevalent in the US where it counts: at work and school. At home it's not. I'm sure that price and availability are factors, but I imagine lack of desire to switch to broadband is just as equal a factor. There are a lot of people who just don't care if AOL is a little bit faster if all they're going to be doing is checking e-mail and using AIM.
:-)
True. When I had Comcast HSI and they asked me to switch to a Business account it was decided they wanted me to upgrade then to a Commercial Account. The original verbal quote was $1700 to connect and $1000 monthly. Just received a call today from their Security Assurance Group. They will be giving me a quote hopefully soon (been waiting 2 weeks for it). I'm told the cost could be as much as $10,000 to connect and $2000 monthly.
We need services like Verizon Fios and Utopianet.org to fend off this kinda crap. Broadband shouldn't be this difficult to come by or this expensive especially since we came up with it
Okay, bring on the "copyright infringement is not theft!!!" lines, I believe that's true. And in fact, so does the law... copyright infringement has much stiffer penalties than mere theft. I don't believe that's right if the infringer is not gaining financially (I.E. selling bootlegs on the street) but I don't feel there are many places where the law is not just.
To clarify a point. Isn't copyright law written to protect against unauthorized distribution? Meaning you don't have the right to distribute a work? Or does it also cover receiving the work someone else was distributing?
Hmm, you have real data (I trust mrtg) and they claim they have unreliable data they won't share with you. Did you talk to your town government about this (the ones who allow Comcast to service the citizenry)? It sounds like you have a good case.
:-)
Actually we filed complaints with several Government agencies including the FTC, FCC, and the Attorney General for our State. Also with the BBB and I am currently working with getting Utopianet approved in my city. Once that's complete I plan on working to get it approved throughout Utah.
I want Comcast's influence severely reduced. They will be less arrogant that way.
Oh and I also contacted KUTV and have been working with Bill Gephart. Sounds like he will be not just interviewing me but also other's I've found with very similar stories. I understand yesterday he's been in contact with Comcast's media relations who said they will look into the matter and get back with him.
I'm curious what the end result will be. Especially since Comcast has stated they have no records of my calling them in December to their Customer Service. That's funny since my T-Mobile phone bill shows multiple calls on the days in question. I wonder who's not being honest now
How much did you use? Did you get a warning letter or just summarily dropped? Local franchise agreements might have something to say about this.
I honestly don't have a firm number. My firewall shows 30 Gigs for the month in question (I have mrtg running on it). Comcast called my wife and gave her one number (250 Gigs) and gave me a different number (297 gigs) when I called later.
Of course they don't provide a link like some companies (xmission.com) for the end user to check. When asked they simply said they didn't know how I would be able to verify they didn't get it wrong. Personally I'm pretty sure they are way off.
Telecom companies are implementing things like traffic shaping--that thing which squashes your bittorrent traffic while still allowing VOIP and google access to run at full speed.
:-)
I'm ok with that. I pull down Linux ISO's occasionally, the WoW patches I believe are all through p2p plus I'm a big fan of Zudeo (reign of the fallen DVD rocks!). If it took longer to download I'm not terribly worried about it. Disconnecting customers on the other hand...
Lately, the telecom companies have started hinting that they might start charging for optimal delivery. That is that CNN's website, having paid for premium delivery with your ISP, will have 8x the bandwidth available to you as, for instance, youtube.
Net neutrality is the opposite of that. It dictates that all traffic must be treated equally.
Ok I get it. That's not terribly great for the consumer especially since we're the ones paying for everything already. To charge us again is double dipping.
I haven't thought much about Net Neutrality until Comcast disconnected my HSI service and terminated the account because I used the internet too much. Now I'm finding people all over the country who have had similar problems including a journalist for the Deseret Spectacle.
I've found other people throughout Utah who are dealing with this problem. My search has lead me to other states with people asking the same questions I have been asking .
This is just a couple of instances where Comcast has demonstrated unfair business practices. I'm wondering if Net Neutrality would curb this sort of abuse from companies. I'm ok with following the rules (don't get me wrong). But to be expected to minimize Internet usage without knowing what the rules are is pure B.S.
Heck, I've had people on my blog accuse me of all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately, it's not even close to the truth.
If I'm misunderstanding what Net Neutrality is please enlighten me.
BTW, if you are from Utah and have been disconnected by Comcast please contact me by posting on the blog. I receive all messages. I'm compiling a list and plan on passing it along to Bill Gephart. We've been working for the last few weeks to resolve this. He's already begun interviewing people I've found. Thanks!
If you're serious about using Linux, and you absolutely have to have Exchange and MS Office, you need to come to terms with running those applications in a terminal services environment...Or, (for Exchange) if you're a cheapskate, just use the Exchange web interface that fricking comes with Exchange! It doesn't look as good in Firefox as it does in IE, but if you're doing it on a shoestring, that's what you get, and it is feature complete.
I agree. If you really need everything to work then you have little choice but to go with a Windows solution. Personally I've been using both crossover office pro and vmware (depending on the situation). It's a pain but then again Microsoft I believe designed it to be difficult to maintain their Monopoly.
No wonder the EU is pushing for more openess from Microsoft. They are feeling it too.
I'm pretty much guessing that he took a job with Comcast and this IS their normal operation procedure. They typically do not know wha the left or right hand is doing, managers will make offers that are outside what HR accepts as normal and never push through the right paperwork to make the exception. I know guys there that after starting work were being paid less than they were offered and it took months to fix.
Some of the other reasons I left the place.
Sounds about right. I'm currently in a dispute with comcast and believe this is their standard operating procedure. Basically my home internet was terminated last friday for using too much bandwidth on my "unlimited use for a flat monthly fee" account.
I'm writing up a blurb on it for slashdot soon. It's not over yet. I've even gone as far as filing complaints with the FTC and contacting "Bill Gephart" on kutv.com/consumer. Unfortunately I can't get DSL, Wireless OR Utopianet.org (thanks to comcast for that last one). It's comcast or a 56k modem. More hopefully soon.
Seems like the axis of evil is getting a new member!
New Memeber???
Who? The United States?
(ok.. sorry about that but I couldnt' help myself. My funny bone itched again)
That I'm a whore and can be bought. Please send my free laptop to:
Anonymous Coward
555 Mockingbird Lane
Anywhere, KS 51248
I look forward to "reviewing" Vista for you.
I just had to ask but does it also run Linux?
To be fair, Bill Gates denied saying it, and nobody has come up with an original cite or witness to the quote. That doesn't mean that he didn't say something "wrong or stupid" (which he admits to doing on other occasions). Not like he hasn't been wrong in the recent past (SPAM predictions, for example - it's been two years, Bill, and it's getting worse.
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While it's possible he's innocent of saying something that funny, Intel for instance has it on their web site in a 2004 article:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/g
Sounds like the following like may shed some light on this (presuming it's true):
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/6/18/171425/21
So it possible Bill is innocent. Still it's dang funny to say
A warning of what? National ID cards lead to genocide?
What we do in the past can happen again in the future. So let's try something new and innovative.
The teacher of the science class had apparently even taken the step of stating at the start of the school year that there were other theories on the origin of life
Those other "theories" are not "scientific theories"
In addition, I would say none of them are theories with a great deal of proof behind them either. In general the theories put forth are great ideas or stories but have not been provable scientifically.
I would not be that surprised if most countries in the industrial world require such things. Just because a law existed under Nazi Germany does not make it forever suspect.
Your statement makes sense however my statement was to remind it that it should be a warning to the future.
Who watches the watchers should be thought of before implementing any such system.
As bad as this may sound to many people, isn't this what Hitler pushed in Nazi Germany? Pushing everyone into a "national id card" system, taking away the citizens guns and so on?
I've been studying WW 2 these last few months and it's rather disturbing to see America doing the same things 65 years later.
Not a troll or anything. For any serious student of WW 2 you have to admit it's becoming a problem. I'm certainly not in favor of these for one simple reason. Who watches the watchers?
I'd maintain that it's immoral and unreasonable to expect a police officer to put his life on the line to protect mine if I'm unwilling to take the steps to do it myself, aside from the minor fact that if I'm in a situation where I have to defend myself it's exceedingly unlikely a police officer will be able to reach me in time to help anyway. I think a large part of our problems stem from the larger and larger percentage of people that expect the government to solve all their problems instead of taking care of their own damn selves.
All I can say to that is Amen!