Wait wait wait... Is the RIAA posting here now too?
Anyone that grabs someone by the shirt in a store is going to get sued... I don't believe this story is credible. Plus, someone that sells christian music and calls a patron a "bitch". (Not that christians don't cuss, but again, if the guy is having problems clothing his kids I doubt he's scare off a customer.)
The deaths being clustered around a single event does not make them more important.
Yes and no. It depends on the feeling around that event. I think you would agree that if 20 people were killed and no significant damage to property too place, we would only have seen a fraction of the response we did. "Importance", as a word, is defined by the population. At the time, the population felt that we should be doing something, specifically, going to war. So we did. Maybe we were misguided, but we reacted nontheless just as the people wanted it. Now, a few years later, people are tired of it and we need to change direction...
Hmmm... I think that sure, the emotional impact is being used as a lever, but I still think that terrorism is a significant threat and will continue to be. It's only a matter of time before another attack takes place.
I think I saw some comments a week or so ago that people were complaining that the WSJ was using slashdot to get more hits to their website. So someone from WSJ submitting articles might help support that argument.
Truthfully, I've never had a system that forced me to mess with it. The first computer I put together had a bad cache chip (486 DX2-66, remember outboard cache?) It took me about a week before I went into the BIOS and turned everything off, and then the computer worked very very slowly. Another day of reboots and I figured out what the problem was.
Since then I haven't had a computer that has given me any serious problems. Most times it's a driver download or a BIOS setting. But then I've had a tape backup since 1993 (upgraded over time, of course) and I make a Ghost copy of my base install with no drivers, so if I *do* screw something up I can always go back. Not everyone does this.
But I agree with a lot of what people say, having a computer that JUST WORKS is a great thing and completely underrated.
Macs are for people that don't want to muck, or don't enjoy mucking, or don't install a bunch of software and shareware and freeware. I think *that* is the biggest source of problems for folks, it's the software, not the hardware. Wouldn't you agree?
Anyone here still running After Dark screensaver? *shudder*
Good post. You make a lot of good observations there. To clarify "our ideology", I think it's our support of Israel that ticks off the rest of the middle east so much, true? I just don't think that our usage of oil imports drives anyone else to want to attack us.
Regarding the numbers of people dying, I'm not saying one is better or worse, I'm saying that one gets more attention than the other, and considering how long cancer and heart disease have been going on, well, folks are used to it, honestly. But 2500 in one morning? That's why we are where we are. Don't read this wrong, it's just an observation and my explanation for what's happened and why. Those statistics you quoted I don't feel are valid in the argument since we're talking about unrelated incidents. Sure, half a million people die of cancer, but what kind of cancer? Where were they when they got it? Did they smoke? Did they eat fast food constantly? It's just not the same...
I can't comment how much we've spent on cancer research, but I would consider that this is a worldwide problem and who knows how much the world has spent on research? In 2005 nearly 5 billion was spent on cancer research, in the US, and that was just CONTRIBUTIONS. I have no idea how much pharm. companies spend. That ain't chump change, but it isn't one trillion either. Still, throwing one trillion at cancer research, would it help? Dunno. Speculation at best. But I digress.
I don't care about the gov checking my phone calls. I don't care if they record them. I don't care if they check my financial records either, as long as I don't get my identity stolen. You can call me stupid if you want, but I'll use the same argument as everyone else: I have nothing to hide. There's a lot of "if's" that have to happen before I get upset with government intervention. People like to extrapolate what's going on now and compare it to Hitler. Well, we ain't there yet, and we ain't even close. I think the Hitler comparisons are another bad argument too.
It starts with monitoring the metadata only (who called who, when). Then comes monitoring the content. Then comes the cameras on public streets. Who knows what comes next.
Britain has had cameras for a long time. They don't seem to be too angry about it. Just an observation.
I guess it comes down to, when I feel like my rights are being infringed upon I'll do/say something. The popular opinion seems to agree with me.
And what's wrong with people with 60" TV's and SUV's? (BTW I don't have either...)
Some nutcase can't kill 2500 people. It takes MANY nutcases to do that. If one nutcase could do that then we'd have a different society. It's the sheer volume of one incident that's driven us to where we are now. If it weren't that many people being killed all at the same time all this never would have happened. The first bombing of the WTC drew press, but since no one was killed (I don't recall if anyone was killed, could be wrong here) it died down, and not much was done about it.
And I don't see any whimpering in any of my posts, so again, you and the other tard can go try to figure out how to put forth a good argument (there, I lowered myself to your immature level and called you a name, congrats, you win). In the meantime I'll save my thoughts for another thread where, perhaps, more intelligent people reside.
I suppose if you don't value your time at all, your argument makes sense.
The sad fact is, I enjoy having to muck with stuff. I think I'm truly in the minority here, but it's fun to tinker, especially when you can eventually get it to work. If I couldn't ever get stuff to work I'd probably be buying Macs.
Maybe if you spent less time shopping around you'd have time to relax and read about Apple or some other tech that interests you?
Very good observation. Course, I'm a heavy gamer so I tend to look at the PC market first. Maybe with Windows on the Mac I can switch?
Say, for example, that 16,000 murders happened in the same place at the same time. It think it would be highly publicized and America would want action. I think the governement would be supported in its attempts to remediate the situation and prevent it from happening again.
Now take all those other things you mention and substitute them into the above paragraph.
But one murder in South Dakota does not compare with 2500 happening in the same place at the same time. Apples to oranges. Your argument does not apply here. Furthermore, at the top of the list, heart disease, is *usually* caused by the person with the disease, not by someone who is attempting to hurt them. It's lifestyle, pure and simple. Genetics merely determines when your inactive couch-potato lifestyle results in the disease. No person out there has a heart disease bomb that can go off in a building, causing everyone to have heart problems. Phlueeze...
So go grab some more nonsensical stats about people dying and post them here. How about posting stats about WWII or Vietnam? The Iraq war doesn't even compare.
I like building my own PC's, being able to upgrade this part or the other, and being able to compare prices so I can minimize my expense as much as possible.
I don't know diddly about Apple. Can someone tell me how upgradable the typical Mac is? If I want to uprade the memory, cpu, hard drives, optical drives, gfx, etc., how easy is it to do this, and what's the longevity of the parts? How do prices compare between Apple and PC for these parts?
I mentioned in another reply, that all those motorists are not dying in the same event at the same time in the same location. It's not comparable to what happened.
A 2500 car pileup where EVERYONE dies? Yeah, that would draw some action, and I bet 99.999% of Americans would support it.
I love it when people resort to gross exaggeration to refute a statement.
tagging us, putting cameras in our houses
Yes, I seem to remember getting a mail from the government telling me I need to get RIFD in my arm next time I renew my license.
Most of what you mention is not nearly as preventable. Cancer studies have been going on for years and years and years, same with a lot of the other diseases you mention. We haven't made a lot of progress in a lot of those, just measures to prolong life a bit.
Furthermore, just about all what you mention there are ISOLATED incidents. You don't have 2500 people dying of cancer in the same building at the same time. Those statistics are apples and oranges with what we're talking about here. Not a member of the debate team, are you?
However, when thousands of people die in an attack on our soil, people want something done. I seem to remember nearly everyone in congress voted to go to war. I'm pretty sure everyone in America agreed that something should be done.
Abandon Israel? You are definitely off your rocker now. They're the only thing keeping the Middle East from going completely insane. Furthermore, simply getting rid of Big Oil won't solve terrorist problems. You really need to inform yourself more. It's our IDEOLOGY that makes the rest of the world hate us, not oil. Once Iran gets nukes, you can forget safety, regardless of whether or not we're driving cars on foreign or domestic oil-products.
So what you're saying is, until more of us start getting killed by terrorism on our own soil, we should simply continue the same. "Business as usual" you say?
I would wager that 99.999% of America disagrees with you. I don't recall the exact numbers, but when 2500+ people die in a terrorist attack, America wants action, and change.
And this Ben Franklin quote. Do most people consider private phone records "essential liberty"?
Geez, why not change the title to "Pick on Microsoft AT ALL COSTS." Is there ANYONE that doesn't balk at a hard sell? Why not post something about how horrible car salesmen are? What about telemarketers that don't hang up and keep up the pressure on you even if you're trying to be polite and hang up the phone nicely? So an overzealous saleswoman gave someone the hard sell. So what? Happens all the time in many many different industries.
How is this news? I don't normally complain about articles; truthfully I hardly ever post, but this anti-MS stuff is getting pretty out of hand... Fact is, if that company WAS out of compliance, they'd be better served to get someone from MS in there to determine if they were or not because that's who is going to sue 'em. The fines can get pretty hefty. And if someone around there doesn't have the cojones to tell a salesperson "no" when they don't need something, then you need to fire whomever is running your IT dept.
Wait wait... You're saying spelling is more important than catching these scumbags? Please don't ever insult anyone's intelligence again; you have no ground to stand on. This post trumps all others for pure idiocy. You just lowered the collective intelligence of this board.
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Anyone that grabs someone by the shirt in a store is going to get sued... I don't believe this story is credible. Plus, someone that sells christian music and calls a patron a "bitch". (Not that christians don't cuss, but again, if the guy is having problems clothing his kids I doubt he's scare off a customer.)
I think the selling of Pirates is bad. The site should stay down!
Very very funny. Give mod points. Now. :)
Yes and no. It depends on the feeling around that event. I think you would agree that if 20 people were killed and no significant damage to property too place, we would only have seen a fraction of the response we did. "Importance", as a word, is defined by the population. At the time, the population felt that we should be doing something, specifically, going to war. So we did. Maybe we were misguided, but we reacted nontheless just as the people wanted it. Now, a few years later, people are tired of it and we need to change direction...
Hmmm... I think that sure, the emotional impact is being used as a lever, but I still think that terrorism is a significant threat and will continue to be. It's only a matter of time before another attack takes place.
I think I saw some comments a week or so ago that people were complaining that the WSJ was using slashdot to get more hits to their website. So someone from WSJ submitting articles might help support that argument.
Since then I haven't had a computer that has given me any serious problems. Most times it's a driver download or a BIOS setting. But then I've had a tape backup since 1993 (upgraded over time, of course) and I make a Ghost copy of my base install with no drivers, so if I *do* screw something up I can always go back. Not everyone does this.
But I agree with a lot of what people say, having a computer that JUST WORKS is a great thing and completely underrated.
Macs are for people that don't want to muck, or don't enjoy mucking, or don't install a bunch of software and shareware and freeware. I think *that* is the biggest source of problems for folks, it's the software, not the hardware. Wouldn't you agree?
Anyone here still running After Dark screensaver? *shudder*
Regarding the numbers of people dying, I'm not saying one is better or worse, I'm saying that one gets more attention than the other, and considering how long cancer and heart disease have been going on, well, folks are used to it, honestly. But 2500 in one morning? That's why we are where we are. Don't read this wrong, it's just an observation and my explanation for what's happened and why. Those statistics you quoted I don't feel are valid in the argument since we're talking about unrelated incidents. Sure, half a million people die of cancer, but what kind of cancer? Where were they when they got it? Did they smoke? Did they eat fast food constantly? It's just not the same...
I can't comment how much we've spent on cancer research, but I would consider that this is a worldwide problem and who knows how much the world has spent on research? In 2005 nearly 5 billion was spent on cancer research, in the US, and that was just CONTRIBUTIONS. I have no idea how much pharm. companies spend. That ain't chump change, but it isn't one trillion either. Still, throwing one trillion at cancer research, would it help? Dunno. Speculation at best. But I digress.
I don't care about the gov checking my phone calls. I don't care if they record them. I don't care if they check my financial records either, as long as I don't get my identity stolen. You can call me stupid if you want, but I'll use the same argument as everyone else: I have nothing to hide. There's a lot of "if's" that have to happen before I get upset with government intervention. People like to extrapolate what's going on now and compare it to Hitler. Well, we ain't there yet, and we ain't even close. I think the Hitler comparisons are another bad argument too.
Britain has had cameras for a long time. They don't seem to be too angry about it. Just an observation.
I guess it comes down to, when I feel like my rights are being infringed upon I'll do/say something. The popular opinion seems to agree with me.
And what's wrong with people with 60" TV's and SUV's? (BTW I don't have either...)
Some nutcase can't kill 2500 people. It takes MANY nutcases to do that. If one nutcase could do that then we'd have a different society. It's the sheer volume of one incident that's driven us to where we are now. If it weren't that many people being killed all at the same time all this never would have happened. The first bombing of the WTC drew press, but since no one was killed (I don't recall if anyone was killed, could be wrong here) it died down, and not much was done about it.
And I don't see any whimpering in any of my posts, so again, you and the other tard can go try to figure out how to put forth a good argument (there, I lowered myself to your immature level and called you a name, congrats, you win). In the meantime I'll save my thoughts for another thread where, perhaps, more intelligent people reside.
And thank God for US Security forces for making that true!
The sad fact is, I enjoy having to muck with stuff. I think I'm truly in the minority here, but it's fun to tinker, especially when you can eventually get it to work. If I couldn't ever get stuff to work I'd probably be buying Macs.
Maybe if you spent less time shopping around you'd have time to relax and read about Apple or some other tech that interests you?
Very good observation. Course, I'm a heavy gamer so I tend to look at the PC market first. Maybe with Windows on the Mac I can switch?
It is, but it's very satisfying when you can get it to POST for the first time! Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
Say, for example, that 16,000 murders happened in the same place at the same time. It think it would be highly publicized and America would want action. I think the governement would be supported in its attempts to remediate the situation and prevent it from happening again.
Now take all those other things you mention and substitute them into the above paragraph.
But one murder in South Dakota does not compare with 2500 happening in the same place at the same time. Apples to oranges. Your argument does not apply here. Furthermore, at the top of the list, heart disease, is *usually* caused by the person with the disease, not by someone who is attempting to hurt them. It's lifestyle, pure and simple. Genetics merely determines when your inactive couch-potato lifestyle results in the disease. No person out there has a heart disease bomb that can go off in a building, causing everyone to have heart problems. Phlueeze...
So go grab some more nonsensical stats about people dying and post them here. How about posting stats about WWII or Vietnam? The Iraq war doesn't even compare.
I don't know diddly about Apple. Can someone tell me how upgradable the typical Mac is? If I want to uprade the memory, cpu, hard drives, optical drives, gfx, etc., how easy is it to do this, and what's the longevity of the parts? How do prices compare between Apple and PC for these parts?
A 2500 car pileup where EVERYONE dies? Yeah, that would draw some action, and I bet 99.999% of Americans would support it.
tagging us, putting cameras in our houses
Yes, I seem to remember getting a mail from the government telling me I need to get RIFD in my arm next time I renew my license.
Most of what you mention is not nearly as preventable. Cancer studies have been going on for years and years and years, same with a lot of the other diseases you mention. We haven't made a lot of progress in a lot of those, just measures to prolong life a bit.
Furthermore, just about all what you mention there are ISOLATED incidents. You don't have 2500 people dying of cancer in the same building at the same time. Those statistics are apples and oranges with what we're talking about here. Not a member of the debate team, are you?
However, when thousands of people die in an attack on our soil, people want something done. I seem to remember nearly everyone in congress voted to go to war. I'm pretty sure everyone in America agreed that something should be done.
Abandon Israel? You are definitely off your rocker now. They're the only thing keeping the Middle East from going completely insane. Furthermore, simply getting rid of Big Oil won't solve terrorist problems. You really need to inform yourself more. It's our IDEOLOGY that makes the rest of the world hate us, not oil. Once Iran gets nukes, you can forget safety, regardless of whether or not we're driving cars on foreign or domestic oil-products.
And save the name calling for the playground.
Me personally I don't think so, but you might disagree.
What's your opinion?
I would wager that 99.999% of America disagrees with you. I don't recall the exact numbers, but when 2500+ people die in a terrorist attack, America wants action, and change.
And this Ben Franklin quote. Do most people consider private phone records "essential liberty"?
I personally don't. Do you?
So fat people are less likely to get cancer? Cool! Pass the donuts!
How is this news? I don't normally complain about articles; truthfully I hardly ever post, but this anti-MS stuff is getting pretty out of hand... Fact is, if that company WAS out of compliance, they'd be better served to get someone from MS in there to determine if they were or not because that's who is going to sue 'em. The fines can get pretty hefty. And if someone around there doesn't have the cojones to tell a salesperson "no" when they don't need something, then you need to fire whomever is running your IT dept.
Sheesh.
Ooooo, looks pro-Windows to me. You're gonna get modded down now. :-P
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Wait wait... You're saying spelling is more important than catching these scumbags? Please don't ever insult anyone's intelligence again; you have no ground to stand on. This post trumps all others for pure idiocy. You just lowered the collective intelligence of this board.
Why not just use instant messaging when dealing with a "touchy" subject? Or is that monitored also?