I just skimmed through the two first introduction slidesets for Leo, and I thought it was quite cool to split your program into nodes, so you can quickly and easily skip sections of code you're not working on...
But what about when compiling? Your compiler gives you a line number for the source file, and you need to edit that file for the line number to be any use, and then I think you'd need to manually re-locate the right node based on the code around the error... not fun in a larger program. Does Leo provide any way to translate the error line numbers back?
CDs are durable, and I doubt whether the software will still be in use in 5 years, certainly not in 10 years, and the CD will last at least 15, so no problem there.
Spoken like someone with absolutely no experience of flatmates, coworkers, animals, or children.
Sure, for a company that copies the install to their server and then stores the CD in a safe, a backup is not needed... but for regular home users who don't have secure storage facilities, realities inevitably intrude.
In my opinion, if JVC can get the keys off the disc, *I* can get the keys off the disc. Somewhere in the software is the code that does this, thus, cracked in a week or less.
I also notice they didn't actually state that the COPY PROTECTION was tested on 200 CD-ROM drives, only that CD's with the protection still worked in those drives. Nothing about copies failing...
My great-grandparents came to the US with nothing. Two generations later, I am a highly-paid engineer, cruising Slashdot all day. Tell me, where else in the world is that possible?
Huh??
Two generations ago, my grandparents came to New Zealand. Two generations later, I am a reasonably well paid computer programmer. WHAT DO THESE TWO FACTS HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?
Nothing. My GRANDPARENTS do not have good jobs, neither do my parents. *I* do because I worked and studied and learnt. Today's world is (*GASP*) different to the world of your grandparents.
Actually statistics show that there is actually a higher ratio of what would be crime in the high income bracket, it is just ignored.
This is utter hogwash. You'd better check your facts. Try looking through some of the statistics and reports at The Bureau of Justice Statistics. The opposite of your statement is demonstrated again and again.
Right, so he says crime is ignored in the upper bracket, you provide stats that show a large number of murderers are ethnic/economic minorities from the people who convict them...
If a crime was ignored by the authorities, how would it end up as part of the statistics? If the police are biased and bust minorities more than others, wouldn't that produce statistics that said most crimes are committed by minorities? Hmmm....
And because the marketing guys are REALLY GOOD at selling stuff... namely, their own services to clueless managers.
SatanicMarketer: "You need us, because we've falsified these statistics to show you you'd lose MILLIONS without advertising." PHB: "Holy crap, give these people millions to save our business!"
If any of you work in Sales, or Marketing.... kill yourself. Thank you - Bill Hicks.
Sorry, additional to the second point - if you can in any way separate your code from the original GPL code, you should be fine - it's when you take GPL code and modify it that you become subject to the terms of the GPL.
In other words, I could write a copy of Redhat to a CD and include a binary under another license on the disk as well, providing that one binary had no GPL code in it.
- "program" X is a big system for processing, delivering and transcoding media (video, sound, whatever). It uses one GPL'ed codec. Does (and when) the whole system X get governed by GPL.
Using a codec is not using source code. In the same way you can create proprietary applications using freely available software like GCC and such, you can also interoperate with self-contained GPL software. Only when you attempt to intermingle someone else's work (their solution to a problem - their code) with your own do the terms of the GPL affect you.
- operating system X is tailored for an embedded device, it utilizes the linux code base heavily. Some GPLed code needs to be tailored to make the operating system X work in that embedded device. How should the project be done, to avoid the need to reveal code that might reveal "business secrets" about the embedded device X hardware.
The project should be done without linux code. That code was worked on by many people, whose only requirements are that you continue to make their work available under their terms. If you aren't willing to share the code for OS X (heh!) with your customers (note: not necessarily the world), then don't use any GPLd code in it.
Now if the programmer didn't ever see the program being copied and was working from descriptions being supplied he is a Clean programmer and no violation. Stupid, but there is no consistency in the laws.
That's not stupid at all.
Programming is solving a problem. Once a program is written, you have a particular person/team's solution to that problem. If you view someone else's solution, it affects the way you see the problem - your mind has been 'tainted' or 'impressed' by someone else's work.
If someone describes the problem to you, and you haven't seen another solution, then your solution is your own work - regardless of how similar it MAY be to an existing one. If you can prove a clean programmer, you can prove no copyright violation, because he never saw what was supposedly copied, even if the compiled bytes ended up close to identical.
Well, I have a collection of books I love. I lend these books to my friends all the time.
OH NO! I am helping them steal, because they are reading and getting enjoyment from the book, but not going and buying the book for themselves.
Saying that only one person can read/hold the book at any one time is irrelevant - I can lend it to forty thousand friends (ha! as if I had that many friends) sequentially, and it's no different to simultaneously, from the publisher's point of view. It's still 40,000 people who read the book and never paid for it.
Most porn DVD's I've seen don't even have region coding - these people truly DO get it.
They know they have one market (the world), and dividing it up just increases their costs (need to print five different copies of a movie, distribute it to the right locations, deal with pissed off globetrotters, etc)
Hmm i wonder if they will calss this action as in violation of the DCMA?
Only if messing around with other people's computer systems could ever be classed "copyright protection". Which it can't, as it doesn't try to PREVENT copying. It's more of a "copyright violation backlash".
Windows XP Professional includes an encrypted file system. Have you considered using that?
Windows XP Professional has a closed-source, proprietary encrypted filesystem from a convicted monopolist with a demonstrable lack of regard for end-users' privacy and functionality. Have you considered using it?
One extra point - despite the positive-sounding comments on technology, our internet access is stuck in the fucking dark ages.
Our major Telecomms company have a monopoly on DSL, so you have two incredibly shitty options:
1) 128k flat rate 2) full-speed-ahead, 18c per Mb over 600Mb.
Realistically, option 2 is a few more options - you can choose a bigger cap with a slightly lower price per Mb, but it's still bullshit. The best price per Mb is a little over 10c, but that's for a 10Gb per month allowance at nearly $900 PER MONTH.
Regardless, if you're hoping to get flatrate, the ONLY option is 128K, and even then you can't go over 10Gb per month without risking losing your ISP account.
What DMCA-like laws are you talking about? Do you have a link?
There was a bill that actually made computer crimes crimes, while exempting police from the same crimes if they had a warrant, but I don't remember seeing anything like the DMCA. Of course, maybe they just snuck it through like they did in the US...
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I just skimmed through the two first introduction slidesets for Leo, and I thought it was quite cool to split your program into nodes, so you can quickly and easily skip sections of code you're not working on...
But what about when compiling? Your compiler gives you a line number for the source file, and you need to edit that file for the line number to be any use, and then I think you'd need to manually re-locate the right node based on the code around the error... not fun in a larger program. Does Leo provide any way to translate the error line numbers back?
CDs are durable, and I doubt whether the software will still be in use in 5 years, certainly not in 10 years, and the CD will last at least 15, so no problem there.
Spoken like someone with absolutely no experience of flatmates, coworkers, animals, or children.
Sure, for a company that copies the install to their server and then stores the CD in a safe, a backup is not needed... but for regular home users who don't have secure storage facilities, realities inevitably intrude.
In my opinion, if JVC can get the keys off the disc, *I* can get the keys off the disc. Somewhere in the software is the code that does this, thus, cracked in a week or less.
I also notice they didn't actually state that the COPY PROTECTION was tested on 200 CD-ROM drives, only that CD's with the protection still worked in those drives. Nothing about copies failing...
MILLIONS of tiny little pressure suits ;)
My great-grandparents came to the US with nothing. Two generations later, I am a highly-paid engineer, cruising Slashdot all day. Tell me, where else in the world is that possible?
Huh??
Two generations ago, my grandparents came to New Zealand. Two generations later, I am a reasonably well paid computer programmer. WHAT DO THESE TWO FACTS HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?
Nothing. My GRANDPARENTS do not have good jobs, neither do my parents. *I* do because I worked and studied and learnt. Today's world is (*GASP*) different to the world of your grandparents.
Actually statistics show that there is actually a higher ratio of what would be crime in the high income bracket, it is just ignored.
This is utter hogwash. You'd better check your facts. Try looking through some of the statistics and reports at The Bureau of Justice Statistics. The opposite of your statement is demonstrated again and again.
Right, so he says crime is ignored in the upper bracket, you provide stats that show a large number of murderers are ethnic/economic minorities from the people who convict them...
If a crime was ignored by the authorities, how would it end up as part of the statistics? If the police are biased and bust minorities more than others, wouldn't that produce statistics that said most crimes are committed by minorities? Hmmm....
Your Jedi mind tricks will not help you here!
Hahaha... sales and marketing astroturfers =D
"No, no, ads really work! You pay attention to ads! You love ads!"
And because the marketing guys are REALLY GOOD at selling stuff... namely, their own services to clueless managers.
SatanicMarketer: "You need us, because we've falsified these statistics to show you you'd lose MILLIONS without advertising."
PHB: "Holy crap, give these people millions to save our business!"
If any of you work in Sales, or Marketing.... kill yourself. Thank you - Bill Hicks.
My favourite joke would get me booted out the door faster than you can say "Thank you for coming"...
I think I'd have to lie for that question.
Well, obviously, someone who didn't make mistakes would be better than you...
Lotsa luck finding one of those guys, Mr Interviewer!
You know that groaning noise you get from people when you make puns like those?
We need that as a moderation category.
+5 Ohhh Goddd it HURTS
6 - legal
666 - marketing
any number made entirely from 1's and 0's is definitely programming, and you've probably just seen their password.
Sorry, additional to the second point - if you can in any way separate your code from the original GPL code, you should be fine - it's when you take GPL code and modify it that you become subject to the terms of the GPL.
In other words, I could write a copy of Redhat to a CD and include a binary under another license on the disk as well, providing that one binary had no GPL code in it.
- "program" X is a big system for processing, delivering and transcoding media (video, sound, whatever). It uses one GPL'ed codec. Does (and when) the whole system X get governed by GPL.
Using a codec is not using source code. In the same way you can create proprietary applications using freely available software like GCC and such, you can also interoperate with self-contained GPL software. Only when you attempt to intermingle someone else's work (their solution to a problem - their code) with your own do the terms of the GPL affect you.
- operating system X is tailored for an embedded device, it utilizes the linux code base heavily. Some GPLed code needs to be tailored to make the operating system X work in that embedded device. How should the project be done, to avoid the need to reveal code that might reveal "business secrets" about the embedded device X hardware.
The project should be done without linux code. That code was worked on by many people, whose only requirements are that you continue to make their work available under their terms. If you aren't willing to share the code for OS X (heh!) with your customers (note: not necessarily the world), then don't use any GPLd code in it.
Now if the programmer didn't ever see the program being copied and was working from descriptions being supplied he is a Clean programmer and no violation. Stupid, but there is no consistency in the laws.
That's not stupid at all.
Programming is solving a problem. Once a program is written, you have a particular person/team's solution to that problem. If you view someone else's solution, it affects the way you see the problem - your mind has been 'tainted' or 'impressed' by someone else's work.
If someone describes the problem to you, and you haven't seen another solution, then your solution is your own work - regardless of how similar it MAY be to an existing one. If you can prove a clean programmer, you can prove no copyright violation, because he never saw what was supposedly copied, even if the compiled bytes ended up close to identical.
Gah, I suck at spelling. How the hell did "Righteaous Babe" Turn into "Rightease Babe"? Sorry Ani!
Hey, at least you noticed... and the second mistake makes it even funnier!
It would be, if only said article didn't link directly to the transcript of the show itself.
You can read almost exactly what was said on the show (except for the odd 'unintelligible' comment)
R2 R2 L1 R2 up down up down up down
=D
The fact that large profits can be made from GOOD movies tells me there is no serious piracy problem.
Hey, Titanic made money, so I doubt quality has much to do with how much money they make.
Well, I have a collection of books I love. I lend these books to my friends all the time.
OH NO! I am helping them steal, because they are reading and getting enjoyment from the book, but not going and buying the book for themselves.
Saying that only one person can read/hold the book at any one time is irrelevant - I can lend it to forty thousand friends (ha! as if I had that many friends) sequentially, and it's no different to simultaneously, from the publisher's point of view. It's still 40,000 people who read the book and never paid for it.
Most porn DVD's I've seen don't even have region coding - these people truly DO get it.
They know they have one market (the world), and dividing it up just increases their costs (need to print five different copies of a movie, distribute it to the right locations, deal with pissed off globetrotters, etc)
Hmm i wonder if they will calss this action as in violation of the DCMA?
Only if messing around with other people's computer systems could ever be classed "copyright protection". Which it can't, as it doesn't try to PREVENT copying. It's more of a "copyright violation backlash".
Windows XP Professional includes an encrypted file system. Have you considered using that?
Windows XP Professional has a closed-source, proprietary encrypted filesystem from a convicted monopolist with a demonstrable lack of regard for end-users' privacy and functionality. Have you considered using it?
One extra point - despite the positive-sounding comments on technology, our internet access is stuck in the fucking dark ages.
Our major Telecomms company have a monopoly on DSL, so you have two incredibly shitty options:
1) 128k flat rate
2) full-speed-ahead, 18c per Mb over 600Mb.
Realistically, option 2 is a few more options - you can choose a bigger cap with a slightly lower price per Mb, but it's still bullshit. The best price per Mb is a little over 10c, but that's for a 10Gb per month allowance at nearly $900 PER MONTH.
Regardless, if you're hoping to get flatrate, the ONLY option is 128K, and even then you can't go over 10Gb per month without risking losing your ISP account.
What DMCA-like laws are you talking about? Do you have a link?
There was a bill that actually made computer crimes crimes, while exempting police from the same crimes if they had a warrant, but I don't remember seeing anything like the DMCA. Of course, maybe they just snuck it through like they did in the US...