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Scientists Discover What Makes Geckos Stick

Scratch-O-Matic writes "This story at CNN explains how gecko feet are sticky due to an electro-mechanical phenomenon rather than a chemical glue, as had been previously assumed. The gecko is one of just a few animals capable of climbing vertical and beyond-vertical surfaces that are smooth and dry. Researchers have discovered that the secret to the adhesion lies in millions of tiny hairs called 'setae.' Each hair is the width of two human hairs, and contains about 1000 little pads at the end. The pads are so tiny that they actually cling to the surface at the molecular level, due to van der Waal forces. A gecko using all of its setae and pads at the same time could support 280 pounds. Seems to me that his should be easily replicated in the coming age of nanotechnology." Other readers point to the AP story, as carried by Yahoo! and also playing at Salon.

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  1. 280 lbs? by blackula · · Score: 0

    Nearly enough to support the average Slashbot!

  2. Geko by Drath · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wait, this isn't about car insurance...

    1. Re:Geko by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAH THAT"S HILARIUOUS KLShdfsjdahfsadfasfee

      die plz k thx ...thisisheretodefeatthedumbfuckinglamenessfilter. ..

  3. hmm... by Phosphor3k · · Score: 1

    Wow, this submitter basically just cut and pasted directly from the article. Way to go.

    1. Re:hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned about this last fall, so I don't think its exactly new news.

    2. Re:hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, this submitter basically just cut and pasted directly from the article. Way to go.

      This way, at least the average submitter will have read something about the article.

    3. Re:hmm... by falzer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just in case anyone didn't know,

      gecko (gk)
      n. pl. geckos or geckoes

      Any of various usually small tropical and subtropical lizards of the family Gekkonidae, having toes padded with setae containing numerous suction cups that enable them to climb on vertical surfaces.

    4. Re:hmm... by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      numerous suction cups

      except that is wrong if you read the numerous articles or seen the tv specials.

  4. Spiderman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't wait till the geneticlly make the first spiderman (or woman).

    1. Re:Spiderman by kryoptic · · Score: 1

      Since it's an electro-mechanical phenomenon all that would be needed are gloves with these setae on them. No genetic tom-foolery required.

  5. Geico Can climb walls? by rudy079 · · Score: 1

    Wow, I really want them as my insurance company now....

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    1. Re:Geico Can climb walls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA YUO ARE SO FUNAY!!! AND SO ORIJANAL!!! I hope you die, but not before I get to kick you in the balls. asshole.

      DIE PLZ K THX BYE

    2. Re:Geico Can climb walls? by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA YUO ARE SO FUNAY!!! AND SO ORIJANAL!!! I hope you die, but not before I get to kick you in the balls. asshole.

      DIE PLZ K THX BYE


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  6. I cast spiderclimb... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Cool, maybe now I'll get to climb walls like Spiderman. Afterall, what's a better use for new technology than for recreation.

    Truthfully though, this could be useful in a lot of applications. I would expect to see NASA interested, as it might be a good replacement for velcro, which is kinda limited in what it can stick to.

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  7. Sponsored... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This study sponsored by the "The Association For Producing Low Cost Sticky Notes".

    I'd imagine we could put the sticky note out of business if we could get markers to write on geckos with......

    1. Re:Sponsored... by Stonehand · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even sillier -- geckos are the only reptiles with a voice. Train them, and...

      I don't know about anybody else, but I'd have to be pretty tired before mere ordinary sticky notes start calling to me.

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    2. Re:Sponsored... by agentZ · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you draw on one, it becomes "art gecko".

    3. Re:Sponsored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine we could put the sticky note out of business if we could get markers to write on geckos with......

      Sigh. Another likely product of public education. Let's review:

      1. Did you really mean to put the sticky note out of business? Or did you mean the sticky note companies?

      2. George Lucas and his atrocious use of English aside, there are only three periods in an ellipsis. Not two, not four, not five, and certainly not six!

      3. Ending a sentence with a preposition is terrible. The true pity is that you didn't even need the 'with'.

      So, had you gone to school and actually learned something, you would have written:

      I'd imagine that we could put the sticky note companies out of business if we could get markers to write on geckos...

      Even the obvious rewrite still suffers from awkward phrasing, but I've already wasted enough time on you, dumbass.

    4. Re:Sponsored... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      I'd settle for a sticky note that sticks overnight, let alone one capable of holding 280 pounds.

      Nothing like having a busy day at the office, coming in the next day and having to sort a pile of stickies that were on your monitor and shelf...

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    5. Re:Sponsored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take it easy there cowboy. Save up your change and one day you can get yourself laid. Hopefully that will cure you of your apparent need to berate others for their grammar errors in order to compensate for your sad, pathetic life. Cheers!

    6. Re:Sponsored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Ending a sentence with a preposition is terrible. The true pity is that you didn't even need the 'with'.
      I thought that with was a preposition . . .

      cocky dumbfuck

    7. Re:Sponsored... by gazbo · · Score: 0
      No, it's a noun. Note it is in quotes - he is talking about the word 'with' and not the meaning of the word, which is indeed a preposition.

      Too complex for you?

    8. Re:Sponsored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats excatly what I was thinking. I bet hes got a stack of Anime videos THIS tall!

    9. Re:Sponsored... by r00tarded · · Score: 2

      exactly. i mean where else are you gonna put your passwords?

    10. Re:Sponsored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one of those fucking morons who sticks their password to their keyboard or monitor, eh? Do you realize how fucking stupid that is? What's the point of even having a password if you're going to just give it out like that.

      You are a fucking idiot.

    11. Re:Sponsored... by Boronx · · Score: 1
      People with no sense of humor is something I'm dead set against.

      What sort of malformed funny bone were you born with?

      There's no problem with bad grammar as long as he gets his meaning through.

      When it comes to slovenly language or slang usage, it's best just to give in.

      Carry on.

  8. I want my Spidey Suit. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 0, Redundant
    My new Halloween costume, "Spider Man". Not the once you see on Hollywood Blvd and every year, but able to cling to anything.


    Next step web shooters and strength enhancement.

  9. Maybe not... by PopeAlien · · Score: 3, Funny

    Boy! the mental picture of a gecko 'supporting' 280 pounds is not a pretty one. Poor little geckos..

  10. Well..isn't it obvious.... by sxe_p06 · · Score: 0

    Oh sorry, i thought I read "What makes geek's stick"...to which, the obvious answer is:

    pr0n

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  11. That would be a lot of hair area by denchen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Researchers have discovered that the secret to the adhesion lies in millions of tiny hairs called 'setae.' Each hair is the width of two human hairs, and contains about 1000 little pads at the end

    Wait... each hair is twice as thick as a human hair, AND each Gecko has MILLIONS of them? Wouldn't a gecko need to be the size of a boar to have that much hair?

    1. Re:That would be a lot of hair area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gee, I guess you showed those "scientists". the entire experiment is obviously a sham, because you CERTAINLY know what the fuck you're talking about.

      thanks!

    2. Re:That would be a lot of hair area by edrugtrader · · Score: 4, Informative

      this is old news

      here is a link to the setae
      link to pictures of setae

      they are NOT the size of 2 human hairs... and actually the geckos have 2 million on EACH TOE.

      link to article from may 2000

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    3. Re:That would be a lot of hair area by EuroChild · · Score: 1
      "they are NOT the size of 2 human hairs"

      Yes they are... they just have really big feet...

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    4. Re:That would be a lot of hair area by chamenos · · Score: 1

      no hon, you're not fat; you just have really big bones.

  12. That's fine and dandy, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they figured out what makes "Gecko" suck?

    Thanks,
    -The English Troll

    1. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by Sj0 · · Score: 2

      Some simple instrumentation with a web-based interface to the DCS?

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    2. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by Sj0 · · Score: 2

      Oops, forgot the details. Hook a vacuum cleaner up to the DCS.

      There. Forgot half the punchline, but meh...

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    3. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's a dinosaur, not a gecko...

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    4. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by Golias · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a monster, not a dinosaur. Dinosaurs don't breathe fire.

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    5. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      Then it's a dragon darnit! A big dragony, fire-breathing, dragon.

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    6. Re:That's fine and dandy, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fucktard, the fun was poked at the "Gecko" rendering and layout engine; not the Mozilla mascot, which is actually quite cool.

  13. What year is this? by theFlux · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very timely... Read about this in Scientific American over a year ago! Takes awhile for scientific knowledge to disseminate I guess.....

    1. Re:What year is this? by Neverrtfm · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I knew this was old news, but could not remember where I saw it. So, once again, slashdot on the scene in seconds..... That said, it's still pretty damn cool.

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    2. Re:What year is this? by schepers · · Score: 1

      Oh, it showed up on Slashdot back in 2000, as well.

      I also have it on my page.

    3. Re:What year is this? by Fweeky · · Score: 2

      Heh, I saw this on TV a couple of months ago. Way to go /. :)

  14. So... by phraktyl · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I need to climb walls are hairy palms? I'll get right on that!

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or flap your shoulderblades.

    2. Re:So... by spacefrog · · Score: 2

      We've found a slashdotter WITHOUT hairy palms? Whoa!

    3. Re:So... by unicron · · Score: 2

      Yeah, for real. My palms are hairier than a motherfucker and I can't climb walls.

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    4. Re:So... by Myco · · Score: 2

      You need two free hands to do it.

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you try tying a Gecko to each of your hands and feet. If you're luckly you could kick back and let the Gecko's do the climbing

  15. implants by Scaebor · · Score: 1

    Despite the more visible benefits of the implant, I think that getting some of these suckers in my hands and feet would be quite possibly the greatest implant to date (followed immediately, of course, with some nice high-res cybernetic eyes).

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    1. Re:implants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anti-gravity belt will be nice too.

      we will then be sort of flies mutants

    2. Re:implants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who needs implants. You just need to find yourself the right genetically modified gecko and let it bite you.

    3. Re:implants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      until,
      (you) Can't let go of dick, I need to yank with 280 lbs of force to let go?? AHHHHHHH

  16. It's passive too... by Jaeden · · Score: 5, Informative

    One my profs works on geckos, he was telling me that even dead geckos stick to walls. Fun for the whole family!

    1. Re:It's passive too... by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      Gotta get me one of them gecko skin body suits...

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    2. Re:It's passive too... by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking maybe Gecko Darts.

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    3. Re:It's passive too... by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      I guess we shall find them in cereal boxes very soon then!

    4. Re:It's passive too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hes wrong, thier electricly charged, they are sorta like tricking the molecules they stick to into thinkingthier part of it by exchanging electrons with them back and forth to generate the sticking effect

    5. Re:It's passive too... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Funny

      The trick is not getting a dead gecko to stick on a wall, the trick is prying it off before it gets stinky.

      On a different note, where are the obligatory Mozilla comments?

    6. Re:It's passive too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Under the header "The Mozilla mascot is a dinosaur, not a gecko.."

    7. Re:It's passive too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi,

      I missed this in it's original Sci-Am publication, but have a couple of questions your Prof might be able to answer. First, how does a gecko turn the Van der Waal's forces off to let go> Could it be that a dead gecko can't turn it's "cling" off, which is why it stays on the wall? regards.

    8. Re:It's passive too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the rendering engine is called...

      Yeah, good guess. Gecko.

    9. Re:It's passive too... by jmcwork · · Score: 1

      Next episode of the Christopher Lowell show: "Decorating with geckos"

    10. Re:It's passive too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your momma is called...

      Yeah, good guess. A whore.

  17. Patents anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    To paraphrase Harvey Keitel (Mr. White) in Reservoir Dogs:

    "Patent that shit.... Patent that shit right now!"

    (Okay so he said cancel instead of patent, but you get the point.)

  18. As reported in Nature on June 8, 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not exactly news...

    http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/report/news/ju ne 28/geckos-628.html

    1. Re:As reported in Nature on June 8, 2002 by tuxlove · · Score: 1

      Not exactly news...

      Same people, new story. They hadn't shown yet that van der Waals forces were the reason for Geckos' stickiness. That's essentially what they're asserting in this paper. They firmly believed it before, but hadn't finished the research yet. It's important, because it proves that there is no adhesive other than simple solid keratin, like hair or fingernails. It's the size that matters more than anything else.

    2. Re:As reported in Nature on June 8, 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      June 8, 2000!

  19. New theme song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gecko-man, gecko-man, doing whatever a gecko can...

  20. Can you imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a Beowulf cluster of these?

    Thank you.

  21. old news by steve_l · · Score: 5, Funny

    This has been known about since 2000 at least; we used to have endless discussions over the fact that geckos have the impressive ability to stick to ceilings in a vacuum, discussions on topics such as:

    a) how did they find out the details? Did it involve a research assistant, a glass container, a vacuum pump and a large supply of geckos?

    b) How did Geckos evolve this feature? Are geckos secretly descended from a life form that can stick to the outside of space craft?

    c) Alternatively, does this prove that creatures are designed rather than evolved, and the design process is a bit more like the PhD process than anything else; some little godling spends millenia working on geckos in order to submit some paper 'An alternative mechanism for achieving stickiness in creatures' only to have it discredited by a board of professors who have always used suction and thats how they believe all creatures should stick.

    1. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even better, Slashdot's own coverage of this:

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/10/1631 20 9

      But hey, if it's on Yahoo news, it must be news, eh?

    2. Re:Old News by hugecrow · · Score: 1

      From the report- Suction was regarded as an unlikely explanation since geckos can cling on to a wall even in a vacuum.

      Put gecko in vacuum, gecko blows up, pieces of gecko stick to inside wall... well that rules suction out!

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    3. Re:old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but how do they survive the vacuum?

    4. Re:old news by nosferatu-man · · Score: 2

      Tiny little pressure suits?

      'j

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    5. Re:old news by mattdm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, that woulda been right here on slashdot, linking to abcnews, June 2000.

    6. Re:old news by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      MILLIONS of tiny little pressure suits ;)

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    7. Re:old news by Saeger · · Score: 1
      How did Geckos evolve this feature?

      Slowly. :) There's even more amazing adaptations in nature than this though.

      Think of the even more amazingly optimized 'designs' that will emerge when we've got sufficient processing power to evolve solutions in fine-grained simulated environments. Feed in a long list of design constraints and a few fitness functions (hardpart), and wait for your flying-gecko-spy to emerge. :)

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    8. Re:old news by junkgrep · · Score: 2

      It's ability to stick in a vacuum comes from the fact that the adhesive technique is all about the geometry of the molecules involved, not any sort of chemical process that requires air. So the technique didn't have to come into being with "ceiling in a vacuum" in mind: it's just a "good trick" for sticking that also happens to work regardless of what sorts of surfaces or surrounding conditions abound.

    9. Re:old news by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      Buy why would you need him to be able to stick to walls when he can fly? Isn't that beyond the point? I sure as hell know that if I could fly, I wouldn't waste my time dragging my fat ass up a wall by my arms. (assuming that I was fat.)

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    10. Re:old news by Saeger · · Score: 1
      It was an arbitrary example, but to answer why my mutant gecko might have ended up with wings: Maybe because my fitness function gave higher scores to the organism that could get from point A to B over impassible terrain as fast a possible (hence flight optimization), in addition to giving a higher score to organisms that could spy while sticking to dry ceilings in extremely windy conditions (hence taking advantage of simulated molecular properties by trial and error). So the winner is the "gecko" that can fly from my homebase to the enemy compound in X minutes, stick to the ceiling, spy, then fly back ASAP.

      A lot of natures creatures don't make a lot of sense until you look a little harder... e.g. there's a snail with a giant foot. Why? because it also uses this foot as a sail to ride the tide onto the beach to feed.

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    11. Re:Old News by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but a gecko or a human for that matter does not 'blow up' in vaccum.

      You must have seeen to many bad sci-fi movies.

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    12. Re:old news by Phroggy · · Score: 2

      c) Alternatively, does this prove that creatures are designed rather than evolved, and the design process is a bit more like the PhD process than anything else; some little godling spends millenia working on geckos in order to submit some paper 'An alternative mechanism for achieving stickiness in creatures' only to have it discredited by a board of professors who have always used suction and thats how they believe all creatures should stick.

      I've occasionally wondered if God is a college student. I wonder how He's doing?

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    13. Re:Old News by hugecrow · · Score: 1

      Geckos are different, they DO blow up in vacuums, it is the other strange unexplainable thing about those crazy little guys.

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  22. 280 lbs. by TheFlu · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 280 lb gecko they used for the experiment simply asked for more donuts when questioned about the validity of the scientists claims.

    1. Re:280 lbs. by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1

      The 280 lb gecko they used for the experiment simply asked for more donuts when questioned about the validity of the scientists claims.

      Unfortunately, the experiment abruptly ended when scientists discovered that the laboratory's plaster ceiling could only support 200 pounds...

    2. Re:280 lbs. by whovian · · Score: 2

      I'd settle for a 280 lb. gecko anyday to replace that 300 lb gorilla that has been sitting on me since - oh - about the time Windows 3.1 came out ;)

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  23. Discovered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um.. I learned about this in Advanced Reptilia last semister (I'm a bio-physics-cs major). What's the big deal? This is in our text books, along with the one that has trains coated with thin aluminium foil (slashdot had a story about it being just discovred while it was a there in my physics books 2 years ago). Oh well... news for nerds?

  24. Old News by pmc · · Score: 2

    This is ancient - see The BBC for starters.

  25. No no no no NO.... by Xzisted · · Score: 2, Funny

    The LENGTH of the hair is twice as thick as a human hair.....

    Stick some Big Red in your eye and 'read a little closer'.

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    1. Re:No no no no NO.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Stick some gum in my eye?

      Well maybe if you took the gum OUT of your eye you would read that the article says that the hairs are the width (that means "as wide as") two (2) human hairs (what's on your head)

      Stick gum in my eyes???

  26. collegues not touching the floor by bensonm · · Score: 1

    This being slashdot, I (mis)read the headline as 'geeks stick to walls'. I was disappointed. I was expecting a discussion of the most effective way to stick an geek to the ceiling, like praising Microsoft.

    1. Re:collegues not touching the floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Very funny!

      Not.

  27. Duct Tape 2.0 by Malduin · · Score: 1

    With technology like that, duct tape will really stick to anything! ..if you can't duck it, fsck it...

    1. Re:Duct Tape 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your duct tape gecko-free?

  28. Geckos on the loose by Wierd+Willy · · Score: 1

    In Costa Rica, the geckos were everywhere, on the walls, the windows and the ceiling. I actually took a bit of effort to get them loose. There were thousands of them. They are really neat animals. I wish I could do that, I'd hang on the ceiling at the White House....

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    1. Re:Geckos on the loose by OhYeah! · · Score: 1

      "I wish I could do that, I'd hang on the ceiling at the White House...."

      Terrorist Alert! Terrorist Alert! Somebody go find John Ashcroft!

    2. Re:Geckos on the loose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      girls locker rooms man

    3. Re:Geckos on the loose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late. He found us.

    4. Re:Geckos on the loose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you think the girls (or even GW Bush for that matter) would notice a 280-pound geeko sticking to the ceiling? You know, the saying about being a fly at the ceiling also involves being very small...

    5. Re:Geckos on the loose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're not a terrorist? After all, only select government officials and other terrorists can spot a terrorist.

  29. Am I missing something, or is this story over two years old?

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pads are so tiny that they actually cling to the surface at the molecular level,

      So geckos don't use adhesion, but instead cling at the molecular level. That's very interesting, because clinging this way at the molecular level *is* adhesion. It is not necessary to have a *wet* surface for adhesion to occur. Take a look at what happens with contact cement.

  30. WHOOPS by denchen · · Score: 1

    My bad.

    Once again I relied on the Slashdot article for accurate paraphrasing.

    SLASHDOT:

    Each hair is the width of two human hairs, and contains about 1000 little pads at the end

    CNN:

    A seta is only about 100 micrometers long -- about the width of two human hairs.

    1. Re:WHOOPS by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 2

      No, my bad. Slashdot posted my synopsis verbatim...I messed up the width/length description.

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  31. Thermal Compound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says in the AP story that the synthetic hairs adhered to silicon. A short term application could be more effective thermal compounds for our processors. All this sounds to me like very small velcro.

  32. Reinventing the wheel by PD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why is everyone reporting this like it was just discovered?

    BBC covered it over two years ago.

    Probably what happened is that a major news service hired a new reporter who heard something cool and decided to write about it. But he didn't know it was old news. Like little robots, every other newspaper in the country picked up the story and published it This kind of thing happens with just about every story. It's almost like we have one giant national newspaper.

    1. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I was a little surprised this was making headlines. I saw a Discovery Channel or TLC bit about it over a year ago that went into a lot of detail about the same material.

    2. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Restil · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just like slashdot. Heck, they even cover stories they already covered... you know.. just in case we missed it the first time. :)

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    3. Re:Reinventing the wheel by G27+Radio · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah and don't forget Slashdot covered it too over two years ago (June 8, 2000)

    4. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For your media-recycling amusement:

      CNN's photo

      BBC's photo

      I am glad to verify the Latin plural of spatula.

    5. Re:Reinventing the wheel by margaret · · Score: 1

      Whew! I thought I was having a massive attack of deja vu...

    6. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up! I knew this was a rehash of relatively old news. But this guy did the homework to prove it. Thanks PD

    7. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like this is totally new, but it's not exactly old either. What the old stuff was about was calculations that showed that van der Waals forces could explain gecko's sticky feet.

      This new stuff is a bit different. It's about experimental evidence suggesting that the van der Waals forces are actually responsible for the stickiness. If I remember the article exactly--in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences?--they produced artificial gecko feet hairs that were sticky, and were sticky under various conditions that aren't explained by alternative theories.

      So this is something new. Not a new theory, but new data.

    8. Re:Reinventing the wheel by josquint · · Score: 2

      Yah.. its kinda weird, I just heard about this on the local morning radio show. They reported it like it was something new too...

    9. Re:Reinventing the wheel by jUNKfOOD · · Score: 1

      Just like slashdot. Heck, they even cover stories they already covered... you know.. just in case we missed it the first time. :)

      The problem is: I missed it the first time!

    10. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nestling in among all the usual shit, the parent AC post actually explains why this is actually new news, and yet people are still posting whining crap about they heard it before.....

    11. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      Come on, do you really think Malda & Co. have enough memory cells to cover that amount of time??
      .

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    12. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Tomun · · Score: 1

      from the bbc article :
      "Our calculations show that van der Waals forces could explain the adhesion, though we can't rule out water adsorption or some other types of water interaction."

      From Yahoo:
      Both chips allow van der Waals forces to work, but a silicon-based chip also allows the capillary action of water to work while a gallium arsenide chip prevents any effect by water.
      The synthetic hairs stuck to both chips, just like real gecko feet, Autumn said.


      So it's not entirely old news

    13. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? Maybe you're subscribed to Gecko News Weekly, but some of us are hearing about this for the first time...
      If you don't like the story, why even bother reading it or posting about it?

  33. m$ is 3v1L by edrugtrader · · Score: 0, Troll



    the cat has my tongue i guess...

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    1. Re:m$ is 3v1L by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07 -22 Sorry, I have to post this every time I see m$. Posting anonymously to avoid inevitable ot karma.

  34. As fast as a spider can. by Annatar2 · · Score: 1

    So thats how spiderman does it.

  35. We all knew ... by dmanny · · Score: 1

    Gordon Gekko had sticky fingers

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  36. here comes the gecko man by Mabidex · · Score: 0

    Spiderman, spiderman, does whatev...
    oops

    Gecko man, gecko man does whatever a gecko can...

    1. Re:here comes the gecko man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe you should read the previous comments first, cocksucker. You're neither witty nor original.

      die plz k thx bye

    2. Re:here comes the gecko man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, somehow your posting about their redundancy over and over and over is somehow "witty or original"?

      The only thing worse I hate than whiners are people who whine about whiners.

      Jackass.

    3. Re:here comes the gecko man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's my solemn responsibility as an anonymous coward to point out dumbfucks like you and insult them. And yes, I'm extremely witty and original, so go fuck yourself.

      plz die k thx bye (but not before I can kick you in the balls)

  37. Scientists discover what makes Slashdot suck by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

    It's filthy, dirty comments like this. Why don't you wash your mouth out with SOAP?

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    1. Re:Scientists discover what makes Slashdot suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bite me
      O wait, u already did... :p

      -sincerly,
      ur friendly neighborhood troll

    2. Re:Scientists discover what makes Slashdot suck by Trinn · · Score: 1

      XML-RPC? CORBA? hmm....
      this comment is not important enough for me to remember exactly what any of this means, I just know they are related.

      http://www.metascape.mine.nu/
      I don't like PHP or MySQL so I wrote my own. :P

  38. My Gecko Story by VividU · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just love my Tokay Gecko. It's as mean as it can be. The Tokay is the pit-bull of geckos.

    I had a bad roach problem. I did'nt want to use pesticides in my home so a friend recommended a Tokay. I was open to all options so I bought a Tokay and let it loose in my home.

    The roaches were gone in two days. It was lovely. I would wake up at night turn the lights on and see my little guy on a wall somewhere.

    It did such a good job eating roaches that it eventually ran out of food. I had to catch it (not easy since it put up a good fight) and put in a terrarium where it happily eats crickets.

    I love my little guy.

    Here is a picture I took of my little buddy.

    1. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have girlfriend issues don't you.

    2. Re:My Gecko Story by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2

      How about a pet store that sells crickets. It is in a strip mall. A pizza place 2 stores down starts complaining about the amount crickets around. Solution: Release 100 tokays. No more crickets, but still an odd chirping.

    3. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey thats pretty damn cool :D

      Way to go.

      It makes me want to get one, even though I dont have any roaches.

      I had a salamnder as a kid, but foolish as it was, it escaped its terrarium, and a couple of days later, my mom found it in a drawer of mine, convienced that it was one of my many lizard-toy replicas

      It was that dry, poor thing.

      R.i.p. Sally, the salamander

      (Imaginary name, isnt it though? ;P)

    4. Re:My Gecko Story by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't that produce a small gecko poo problem?

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    5. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tokays sure are viscious. I've had them befor. Right now I have Day Geckos ( I like the Giant even though its not as pretty as some of the others) and a native Banded Gecko ( does not climb). But these are not as cool as Tokays!

    6. Re:My Gecko Story by VividU · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. Tokay poo are solid little pellets. Very easy to clean up. The cool thing about them was you could make out cockroach features in the poo. It was like a Gieger sculpture or something found on a Alien movie set, a very organic yet dark evil look to them.

    7. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would imagine so. He claims (in a reply) to have studied his gecko's "poo." I take that as solid evidence of having no girlfriend.

    8. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to have two lizards named Sam and Ella.

    9. Re:My Gecko Story by Xtraneous · · Score: 2, Funny

      Was that pun intended or unintended.

      (He said the gecko's poo was hard, and you mentioned "solid evidence")

      I have too much time on my hands...

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    10. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw your website, and you've got a great collection of pictures, there.
      What sort of camera do you use?

    11. Re:My Gecko Story by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1

      kawaiiiiiiiiii!

      graspee

    12. Re:My Gecko Story by hashashin · · Score: 1

      I also did this. I moved into a house full of cockroaches (in the SF Bay Area), and after the poisons didn't work, I bought two house geckos and released them behind our fridge. I never saw another roach for as long as I lived in that house.

    13. Re:My Gecko Story by VividU · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Nikon CoolPix 950

    14. Re:My Gecko Story by ShavenYak · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points, that's f'in hilarious. Too bad it probably went right over the head of anyone reading who hasn't had a reptile as a pet.

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    15. Re:My Gecko Story by Pedrito · · Score: 2

      We had geckos everywhere where I lived in Mexico. They wouldn't dare try to take on the cockroaches, though. The cockroachers were about twice the size of the geckos. I saw a gecko begin to square off with a cockroach, but he got smart fast and backed down. The cockroaches in Mexico will grab a gecko and fly off with him and have him for dinner.

      For those little roaches, I'm sure they're great, though. The were great at getting mosquitos. They're too damn noisy, though. I used to wake up in the middle of the night with this "squeak, squeak, squeak" noise coming out of my closet.

      Living back in civilization definitely has its advantages. No big, flying cockroaches, no geckos.

    16. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe me, Tokay geckos will handle Mexican cockraoches! A Tokay gecko is BIG and STRONG. I worked in a snake park in school hols, way back when, and got bitten by a Tokay gecko (amongst other things). No roach in existence today will be Tokay-proof.

    17. Re:My Gecko Story by Uerige · · Score: 1

      The Tokay geckos he was talking about can grow to a length of up to 35cm. I have yet to see a cockroach reaching half the size of that.

    18. Re:My Gecko Story by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1
      The cool thing about them was you could make out cockroach features in the poo. It was like a Gieger sculpture or something found on a Alien movie set, a very organic yet dark evil look to them.

      Great, I won't be eating today.

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    19. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living back in civilization does have its advantages. Not only are there no more flying cockroaches or geckos, far better there are no more dirty, disease festering, bean-eating demi-humans like the wetbacks indiginous to Mehico.

    20. Re:My Gecko Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sound your hear is my drool of jealousy hitting the floor.

  39. A good, clean family style joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    How do you get a faggot to fuck a woman?


    Fill her cunt with shit.


    Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

  40. Wait a minute! by ninejaguar · · Score: 5, Funny

    They figured how Gecko's stick to glass surfaces, but they never figured out how they let go! Another fifty years of research to figure that out...sheesh!

    1. Re:Wait a minute! by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They figured how Gecko's stick to glass surfaces, but they never figured out how they let go!

      I was wondering the same thing, actually. Anybody here got any idea?
    2. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      They also figured that out. The gecko basically 'peels' itself off of the surface it's sticking to. As the little hairs reach a particular angle they release from the surface.

    3. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Another fifty years of research to figure that out...sheesh! "

      Of course! What else are you going to do with the 100s of thousands of post-doctoral students that church known as university pumps out every year?

    4. Re:Wait a minute! by derinax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if there's some way of applying a low-voltage charge that would lay the hairs flat, and release the grip.

      Imagine, if you will, a practical spidey-suit (hinted at in the CNN article). How would anyone with gloves like these be able to throw anything (like a pistol, say) out of his or her grasp?

      I mean, I'm just thinking here; not really interested in becoming a superhero or nothin'. Really. Nothing to see here. Move along. *koff*

    5. Re:Wait a minute! by karm13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      that it has millions of hairs does not mean it has to let go all of them at at time.
      so my theory is it lets go hair by hair, in fast order -- like it automaticly does when it walks.
      if you take two-sided sticky tape and tape it to your soles it would be harder to lift your foot straight up than to just walk, wouldn't it?

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  41. bbc and cnn by cheese_wallet · · Score: 3

    The same scientist made the anouncment 2 years ago, although one of the articles gets his name backwards. At the BBC they call him Autumn Kellar, and at CNN they call him Kellar Autumn. I don't know which way is backwards.

    1. Re:bbc and cnn by zenst · · Score: 1

      It is indeed Kellar Autumn (http://polypedal.berkeley.edu/People/Kellar.html) . Though the BBC do redeem themselfs on the credits for the images "SEM images by Kellar Autumn & Ed Florance" and the fact they were 2 years ahead of CNN. I assume the movie rights for the story were lacking in explosions for CNN's taste at the time :-)

    2. Re:bbc and cnn by gene_tailor · · Score: 1

      see the "Why now" thread-- actually Dr. Kellar Autumn (BBC's error) has published a new study with additional findings about this, this month in PNAS. The pop press has watered the story down so far that the casual reader can't tell there are any new findings since 2000, but there are....

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  42. Slashdot gets insurance funding qjkx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sell-out continues. Next, "Why IBM is vital to linux."

    1. Re:Slashdot gets insurance funding qjkx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU ARE NOT AT ALL FUNNY

      I want to personally kick you in the fucking balls before you die.

  43. Screw nanotech by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2

    I want to cling to hot classmates celings!

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    I live in a giant bucket.
  44. Nike Gecko shoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nike already sells shoes which allows people to climb vertically. They are also proposing to Olympic committee to include all vertical running, climbing, walking games in next olympics.

  45. Old news! by DrInequality · · Score: 1
    That's old news!

    Time for a few more editors here at /.

  46. Sorry.. by gricholson75 · · Score: 1

    That's GEICO not Gecko!

    1. Re:Sorry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut. the. fuck. up. you. unfunny. sack. of. shit.

  47. Wow by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    The pads are so tiny that they actually cling to the surface at the molecular level, due to van der Waal forces. A gecko using all of its setae and pads at the same time could support 280 pounds.

    So all I have to do is collect a few gecko feet, and I'm Spiderman. Ooh, sorry about that little lizard guy. Got AFLAC?

  48. Spiderman's mispent youth! by zenst · · Score: 1

    This would imply that "Spiderman the early years" would be rated beyond the scope of most audiences. I mean, how else did he manage to get such hairy hands :-)

    1. Re:Spiderman's mispent youth! by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      Man that is a hilarious statement.... very 'keen'. Though I wonder what that implies about the size of his unit... and it kind of makes me cringe to think about all that sticky 'fluid' he sprays everywhere.

      --
      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  49. If you're wondering about the forces involved by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If memory serves it's van der Waals.

    It's an ultra-short range stickiness that applies to just about any material.

    Anybody with a physics degree will be horrified by this explanation, but conceptually imagine two neutral atoms, really close. Imagine that atom A momentarily has more of its electron cloud on the side away from atom B. Then atom A will look slightly positive to atom B. A positive charge attracts electrons, so atom B's electron cloud gets redistributed toward atom A. Atom B now looks slightly negative, keeping A's electrons (better, A's electron probability distribution (better yet, we should be talking complex amplitudes and energy values)) on the far side from B.

    Corrections and clarifications to the above are entirely welcome.

    1. Re:If you're wondering about the forces involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So my question is, can a small voltage potential be applied to magnify the van der Waals forces?
      I would imagine that even a minute "bolstering" of the dipolar effect would result in a much stronger resultant force.

    2. Re:If you're wondering about the forces involved by grayhaired · · Score: 1

      So my question is, can a small voltage potential be applied to magnify the van der Waals forces?

      Understand, a Van der Waals force is a third order electrostatic attractive force. The first order is pure electrostatic attraction, which you *would* affect with a voltage potential. Second order are permanent dipolar attractions, and third order are quantum fluctional dipolar attractions, or Van der Waals forces.

      Trying to make Van der Waals more powerful by applying a voltage potential is a bit like making a firecracker more powerful by adding a few sticks of dynamite to it.

  50. Now I know why... by gigowiz · · Score: 1

    ...geckos could hang onto the hood of my car at almost any speed while driving about Guam.

    GIGOwiz

    Of *course* I was paying attention to the road.

    1. Re:Now I know why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahah i used to live in Guam...little guys are everywhere.

  51. Applications other than climbing by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    * Hands with non-slip grip. (To add this feature to your future child, select option 567B on the manipulators submenu. Special price of $433.34 for the next 10 minutes.)

    * Fasteners on living, plant-based clothing. (Anyone remember the ads for the "Playtex Living Bra?" This one has a clasp the most determined teenage boy can't pry off!)

    * Biologically based near-future equivalent of a Velcro Wall. You don't need a suit . . .

    * Security floors. Intruders walk on but they can't walk off!

    1. Re:Applications other than climbing by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      Hands with non-slip grip. (To add this feature to your future child, select option 567B on the manipulators submenu. Special price of $433.34 for the next 10 minutes.)

      Great.. kids already run on walls, now they'll be on the ceiling too!

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  52. Mozilla climbs walls? by antsquish · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's this? Mozilla climbs walls now?
    Time to get a new nightly build!

    (Yes, I'm aware Gecko is just the rendering engine! :)

    1. Re:Mozilla climbs walls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit are you ever not funny.

    2. Re:Mozilla climbs walls? by zevans · · Score: 1

      What's this? Mozilla climbs walls now?

      The speed of it causes me to start climbing the walls...

      Regards,
      Zack

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
  53. they just discovered this?! by Jett · · Score: 1

    Maybe I am having some kind of weird deja vu thing, but I could of sworn they already knew this about geckos!
    I remember explaining it to a friend of mine 10 or so years ago and he didn't believe me and insisted that geckos have sticky slime glands in their feet.

    1. Re:they just discovered this?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      redundant fucktard

  54. oops.. by taernim · · Score: 1

    I thought you said Geico, not Gecko!
    ::salesman walks out::

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  55. What about... by ocie · · Score: 3, Funny

    How to stick turtles to the ceiling?

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    1. Re:What about... by great+throwdini · · Score: 2, Informative

      How to stick turtles to the ceiling?

      Lick and throw, my friend.

    2. Re:What about... by praxim · · Score: 1

      But have you taught a poodle to fly?

  56. Huh? by parkanoid · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that this has been known for a while, and I certainly have never read about geckos using chemical adhesives anywhere.

  57. Its been done already ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually., I have read in Indian (asian country) stories that such species (gecko) were used climb vertical great walls of forts. Soldiers would tie lengthy rops around waist of the animal and throw it onto the fort and climb the wall while our friend is stuck there :-)

  58. Obligatory Mastercard bit by jcsehak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lab equipment for studying herpi-podiatry: $68,000

    Salaries for scientists and lab assistants: $230,000

    Ticket to "Spiderman": $8.50

    The fact that this was discovered only after getting the idea from the Spiderman movie: priceless.

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    1. Re:Obligatory Mastercard bit by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      The fact that this was discovered only after getting the idea from the Spiderman movie: priceless.


      Unfortunately, as several people have pointed out already, this is a story about something that was discovered over 2 years ago..

  59. sorry old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reported in nature june 2000
    http://www.nature.com/nsu/000608/000608-11.h tml

  60. Old News, really. by RatBastard · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty damned sure I read about this at least a year ago. Not that I think this has ever been on Slashdot before, but I'm sure that I've known this particular piece of trivia for at least a year, maybe more.

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  61. don't try this at home! by karm13 · · Score: 1

    unless you are really heavy you will have to wait for them to decompose.

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  62. On the wall due to van derWaal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow.

  63. Safer sleepwalking... by ModelX · · Score: 1

    Do you live in a tall building? Buy gecko socks... for safer sleepwalking.

  64. Wow. by mindstrm · · Score: 1, Redundant

    If I'm not mistaken, this was on slashdot about 2 YEARS ago. It was discovered a LONG time ago.

  65. No Shit by cscx · · Score: 2

    I see absolutely zero value in this article's "discovery" -- this is EXACTLY what I was told by my chemistry professor last January. This is not new news, or perhaps maybe my professor could forecast the future or something. If Slashcode had a file attachment feature I'd even attach the PowerPoint slide specifically describing the intermolecular forces involved in Gecko feet.

    1. Re:No Shit by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2

      I'm well enough aware of the Van Der Walls effect, thanks for the offer of the slide show though.
      As for my response to the article, guess I just managed to miss the initial release of the info. Sorry, I actually have a life and spend most of my time living it, rather than reading stuff that rarely pertains to me. You might try it, its kinda fun.

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      Laziness is the father.
    2. Re:No Shit by cscx · · Score: 2

      This was actually directed to the parent article, not necessarily to you in vain -- it was the first post that remotely related to what I was going to say, so I replied. As for the presentation, it didn't just casually mention "van der Waals forces" --- it had two slides that were specifically talking about the gecko... in fact, it had the exact same picture that is on CNN (the Gecko hanging upside down).

      Oh wait, here it is. Last page, slides 17 and 18, check it out (in MSWord format w/ embedded pictures). This was written 8 months ago.

      Like I said, this doesn't seem to be much of a "revolutionary discovery" any more, does it? :-)

    3. Re:No Shit by chef_raekwon · · Score: 1

      this is not news
      it is in my physics text book from 3 years ago. why do these folks at cnn, and conversely Slashdot believe this to be "new" news?

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      We're like rats, in some experiment! -- George Costanza
    4. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, ooh I _already_ knew about this so everyone must also know about it. I'm so elite.

      Seriously bitch, you need to chill out on the fucking "know-it-all" and "I knew first" mentality before you get your ass kicked.

    5. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he read it on page 681 in issue 405 of Nature that appeared on 8 June 2000. If you read the Yahoo story you will find a link to the authors site at the bottom where they have nice pictures and give the reference.

  66. A college student bitten by a radioactive gecko... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has just imagined a beowulf cluster.

  67. Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been known for a very long time. The Discovery Channel has even had shows discussing this and including closeup footage ( :) ) of geckos doing their thing. Once again mainstream news is years late and millions of dollors short!

    BTW, I have several Day Geckos. They make interesting pets, besides being cool looking.

  68. Yup. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Agreed... I live in Costa Rica.. and the Geckos are there every night when I come home, just hanging out on or near the ceiling.
    I figure they can hang out all they want.. they eat bugs, and they don't get into the food.

    Besides, they are almost impossible to catch.

    Some nights the outside of my house is almost swarming with them (okay exaggeration, but if I take a walk with the flashlight, I can usually find at least 10 on the outside of the house without trying)

    Now.. if I can just figure out what that weird lizard that lives in the tree is..

    1. Re:Yup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iguanna? Or Godzilla...

  69. Time travel impossibe? Nope. It's June 2000! by Tired_Blood · · Score: 2, Informative

    I first noticed this on cnn's frontpage.

    Searched /. for "gecko" and showed me that this is old news (June 2000) found here.

    3 of the 5 'related articles' submitted by posters there are old enough to be broken (cnn/msnbc/EurekAlert). The two that work (and expose how old the story REALLY is) are this and this. The dates for these are June 8th 2000 and June 7th 2000.

    It looks like nothing has changed since then wrt the research. About the only thing I see different is that Spiderman wasn't in fashion 2 years ago. Seems like hype instead of real news. I guess it's a slow day if every news-organization thinks it's ready for re-print.

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  70. Glue? by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

    Now I think we're in the year 2002.
    What I find amazing is that scientists until now have assumed that it was some sort of glue, I mean how much work would it take to figure out that it wasn't glue.
    Ok so maybe because nobody cared and the glue explanation was an answer that everybody was happy with.

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  71. Yes they did by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the way the pads are angled, and the angle of attack/release that they use.
    Like velcro.. peel it from one side, it doesn't take much force, try to move it all at once, it can take literally TONS of force.

    1. Re:Yes they did by Wolfrider · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same thing with superglue. Glue your fingers together and try pulling them apart, incredibly hard to impossible. Ah, but rub your fingers like you're trying to light them on fire by friction, and voila! Something about the "shear" strength of the bonding.
      .

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      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  72. The amazingly versitile Gecko. by guanxi · · Score: 1

    Mine can also render webpages weighing up to 280 pounds (if printed on glossy).

    If you consider its powerful tabs, its strength can multiply up to ~24 times (but not much higher - see bug 148535).

  73. Gecko Fun.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look like Mozilla gonna stick around for a while ! ;-)

  74. And God said... by Rimbo · · Score: 1

    "I refuse to provide proof that I exist, because proof denies Faith, and without Faith, I am nothing."

    Man: "But the gecko's a dead giveaway, isn't it? I mean, nothing could have come about solely through evolution."

    God: "Oh, gee, I hadn't thought of that..." and *poof* vanishes in a puff of logic.

    Man attempts to prove that black is white and white is black for an encore, and gets killed at the next zebra crossing.

    [with apologies to Douglas Adams]

    1. Re:And God said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is utterly rediculous.. you're denying the facts of evolution and therefore you look like a fool.

  75. inconsistent information? by Rynok · · Score: 1
    anybody else notice that slashdot posting vs. real articles have a lot of inconsistent information? maybe always the way, but it seems worse than it used to be to me. from /.
    Each hair is the width of two human hairs...
    from Salon:
    Geckos have millions of microscopic hairs on the bottoms of their feet that are narrower than human hairs...
    Hmm... Are these submissions reviewed?
  76. Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by BigJimSlade · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • 2002-08-27 16:39:53 Scientists Discover What Makes Geckos Stick (articles,science) (rejected)


    Apparently the story is better the second time around.
    1. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by Arcturax · · Score: 2

      Someone beat you to it.

      Not only that, science textbooks beat Slashdot to this years ago. I read this in my college biology textbook as a sophmore, back in 1996.

      This has to be the oldest "news" story /. has ever posted.

      --

      --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
    2. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by BigJimSlade · · Score: 1

      fair enough :)

    3. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by costas · · Score: 2

      You could submit the story to a bot; memigo is run by code and it regularly beats /. to science/tech stories.

    4. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Yeah well look at this!

      2001-01-25 12:25:04 Why Geckos Stick (articles, science) (rejected)

    5. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry.

      Give it a couple of hours and they will post it again.

    6. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whining less might work. But if that's too scary a concept, try submitting something other than old crap. You should be glad you weren't the tard that got eir name pinned to this one.

    7. Re:Waddaya have to do to get a story posted here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you include a New York Times URL?

      News is more relevant for Nerds when it comes from the New York Times.

      Just try getting a /. story posted without one.

  77. News anchors everywhere celebrate by back@slash · · Score: 1

    Now that they have figured it out i'm sure NBC news anchor Michael Scott is anxiously awaiting gecko resistant suits.

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    This comment was generated by a Squadron of Ultra Ninjas
  78. Prank Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if this stuff became commercially available - you could have a great time sprinkling 'Gecko Dust' arount - more fun that super glue.

    Just the thing to spray on the rouad outside schools - a surefire way to stop motorists.

    Post-it notes that never come off

    Not to mention a wonderful aid for the follically challenged - finally a way to fix a toupe on reliably in high winds.

    I hope someone has patented this :-)

  79. "Why now?" answered... by RandomCoil · · Score: 5, Informative

    For all those wondering why this subject suddenly returned to the limelight, it's due to a paper realased today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (or pnas for those in the know).

    Here's a link to the Autumn, et al. article, entitled "Evidence for van der Waals adhesion in gecko setae".

    1. Re:"Why now?" answered... by oz_ko · · Score: 1
      For all those wondering why this subject suddenly returned to the limelight, it's due to a paper realased today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (or pnas for those in the know)
      I think it's because Mozilla 1.1 was released yesterday and uses Gecko... That's a bit more geeky :)
    2. Re:"Why now?" answered... by gene_tailor · · Score: 1

      Yes, the explanation is the new PNAS article. Unfortunately the pop press has simplified the new developments to the point where they sound exactly like the "old" developments, so everyone is assuming scientists have not learned anything new since 2000... Actually they have done new things, but it's too difficult for the AP writers to explain! Here's that PNAS abstract:

      "Geckos have evolved one of the most versatile and effective adhesives known. The mechanism of dry adhesion in the millions of setae on the toes of geckos has been the focus of scientific study for over a century. We provide the first direct experimental evidence for dry adhesion of gecko setae by van der Waals forces, and reject the use of mechanisms relying on high surface polarity, including capillary adhesion. The toes of live Tokay geckos were highly hydrophobic, and adhered equally well to strongly hydrophobic and strongly hydrophilic, polarizable surfaces. Adhesion of a single isolated gecko seta was equally effective on the hydrophobic and hydrophilic surfaces of a microelectro-mechanical systems force sensor. A van der Waals mechanism implies that the remarkable adhesive properties of gecko setae are merely a result of the size and shape of the tips, and are not strongly affected by surface chemistry. Theory predicts greater adhesive forces simply from subdividing setae to increase surface density, and suggests a possible design principle underlying the repeated, convergent evolution of dry adhesive microstructures in gecko, anoles, skinks, and insects. Estimates using a standard adhesion model and our measured forces come remarkably close to predicting the tip size of Tokay gecko seta. We verified the dependence on size and not surface type by using physical models of setal tips nanofabricated from two different materials. Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted and provide a path to manufacturing the first dry, adhesive microstructures."

      In sum, sounds like the new bits are
      1)more evidence for the van der Waals model of adhesion
      2)model 'setal tips' were made that behave like the natural ones

      --
      It also occurs to me that if one was drowning, yelling "Help! I'm drowning and I lost my bikini top" would probably be m
  80. Spiderman in a new light... by Colitis · · Score: 2

    Was science fiction: now biology.

  81. My keyboard sticks too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess geckos have been walking across it lately or something?

  82. explanation is right by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

    Basically the fluctuation causes a temporary dipole, which induces a complementary dipole in the neighboring atom, which causes the usual dipole-dipole attraction (but on a much weaker scale than when there are actual permanent dipoles, like with water).

    Some additional explanation with some diagrams is available here.

    1. Re:explanation is right by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that webpage is a great explanation of dipoles and van der Waals forces. What I don't get is how the dipole interaction changes when the 'hair' is at a different angle (which is, as I understand it, how the Gecko 'unsticks' his leg, by changing the angle of his leg as other posters here have pointed out.)

      --LP

  83. One problem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't stick to teflon! :)

    1. Re:One problem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just makes it easy to cook 'em

  84. geico - save 15% on car insurance? by havaloc · · Score: 1

    It sticks because that little Geico/Gecko guy is on the TV every 5 minutes telling me how I can save 15% on car insurance.

  85. ...and he was wrong, too by leonbrooks · · Score: 3, Informative

    Van der Waals' forces in gecko feet have been known about for a fair while now, at least two years because I remember explaining it to my (now 12yo) daughter when we [images roughly 500kB apeice] saw some geckos at Wyloo Station during a trip in June 2000, and this article was published in December 2000, referring to papers and articles from June 2000.

    --
    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
    1. Re:...and he was wrong, too by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1

      All that linking reminded me of when the buzzword was HYPERTEXT. And hey! Your gecko is out of focus! (Or is that motion blur ? Zoom, gecko, zoom!).

      graspee

    2. Re:...and he was wrong, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um.. that article u linked to was funny.. i love how religious people explain evertyhing they can't explain by saying it's gotta be gods creation..

      yeah.. the gecko is another reason to believe in god cause man could have never come up with gecko feet.. hilarious!

      i can't believe 80% of people are brainwashed into believing in a god.. that is scary!

      People should spend time believing in themselves and their own abilities instead of followin some cult..

    3. Re:...and he was wrong, too by brain159 · · Score: 2
      Come on now, complete the argument...

      "I refuse to prove that I exist", says god, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
      "Aaah, but what about the gecko^H^H^H^H^H babel fish?", says Man. "That's a dead giveaway isn't it."
      "Oh dear", says God, and vanishes in a puff of logic.
      For his next trick, Man proves black equals right and gets run over on the next zebra crossing.

      This has been your weekly H2G2 quote.

  86. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  87. I've been in a museum by Trogre · · Score: 1

    I know what maked geckos stick:
    Pins!

    --
    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  88. Sure the hairs can support 280lbs by SporkKnight · · Score: 1
    But I'd be scared of the gecko who can carry a human on its back.

    Lets see some gecko climbing gloves!

  89. So we can scale walls immediately then? by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 1

    If one gecko can hold 280 lbs in weird theory...

    Then if we rip off about 200 poor geckos feet, can we sew them into gloves and scale walls now?

  90. Gekko experiments you can do... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would like to do gekko experiments at home; right now, I'm using industrial magnets.

    Any chance someone could post a link to the most recent "setae at home" clients?

    Thanks in advance,
    -- Terry

    1. Re:Gekko experiments you can do... by frisket · · Score: 1

      Both Mozilla and Galeon use Gecko...probably others as well.

  91. oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5 years ago when i started grad school my advisor showed me a paper article which showed that can der waals forces were in charge of the gecko's sticky toes. any other lame things to report?

    1. Re:oh please! this is old news! by yamori · · Score: 1

      Yes I agree, this is old stuff, I saw a document about geckos once which mentioned it

    2. Re:oh please! this is old news! by spongebobsquarepants · · Score: 1

      One more lame thing...it's "van" de Waals not "can" der Waals, as in Johannes Diderik. Obviously your advisor didn't show you a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary.

    3. Re:oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one more lame thing: turns out "c" and "v" are close on a KB.... it was a typo. given that i wrote my undergraduate thesis about "casimir and van der waals interactions between vortex lines in anisotropic and layered superconductors" i am sure i know how to spell it... and i am sure you know the difference between van der waals and casimir forces, right?

    4. Re:oh please! this is old news! by spongebobsquarepants · · Score: 1

      Yes "c" and "v" are close on the keyboard. That is why the all-knowing Team of Attack Midgets gave us a button called "Preview," and yes, it works.

      And while some of us did undergraduate theses, some of us have written doctoral dissertations. Given mine was in biophysics, I generally know physics as well as most undergrads ;) But seriously, I'll be waiting to read your paper in Physics Letters should your peers deem your work a valuable contribution to science. Hopefully, your manuscript's final resting place isn't in your advisor's desk drawer.

    5. Re:oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, the (short) van der waals part is in "Physical Review Letters". the longer version which includes the casimir part is in "Phys. Rev. B" (Vol 59, Number 18, 11990, (1999)). happy reading...

    6. Re:oh please! this is old news! by spongebobsquarepants · · Score: 1

      Pretty cool that your advisor threw you on as a second or third author. I thought the medical fields were the only ones that put techs on papers. Typically, techs or work study students go under acknowledgements. Party on.

    7. Re:oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, i am the first author on the paper. please, get a life and "party on"...

    8. Re:oh please! this is old news! by spongebobsquarepants · · Score: 1

      That's Dr. Dude to you Mr. Anonymous Coward.

    9. Re:oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just "anonymous coward" is fine with. no need to dress my name with titles...

    10. Re:oh please! this is old news! by spongebobsquarepants · · Score: 1

      Hehe. And BTW, you might not want to make your identity so easily known (i.e., your email is likely on your paper). /.ers are pretty relentless. Some might even be spammers. Others might sign you up for some. Scary stuff. Cheers. The pub calls.

    11. Re:oh please! this is old news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh well... it will change in 10 days anyways...
      have fun at the pub.

  92. That's o.k... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I'm fairly sure I saw some news channel say it the exact same way.

    1. Re:That's o.k... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you have like the stupidest fucking handle I've ever seen. I mean, what the fuck is a fucking hackwrench? More like fuckwrench, you pansy-assed little twit. Fuck you and fuck your dumb-ass fucking handle. I'd fucking beat your fucking ass down to the fucking pavement if I ever fucking saw your monkey-ass.

  93. Damnation! by MisterEGecko · · Score: 1

    Know you know all of our secrets! We'll have to kill you now.... *Shuffles off into the dark recesses of the ceiling to plot mankind's demise*

    -- Mr. E Gecko

    --
    Snarfle.
  94. So why can't I do it? by lommer · · Score: 1

    If the forces in use are only Van der Waals, and these forces are present everywhere, what makes geckos, or rather their little hairs, special so that their molecules can stick to walls and mine can't?

    The article mentions how it has something to do with the geometry of the hairs, but doesn't go into detail. Any physicists care to shed some light on this?

    1. Re:So why can't I do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have more surface area..dosn't take a phisicist to figure that out..

    2. Re:So why can't I do it? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If the forces in use are only Van der Waals, and these forces are present everywhere, what makes geckos, or rather their little hairs, special so that their molecules can stick to walls and mine can't?

      If I understand correctly, it's because the hairs and pads are arranged so that the sticky pads can follow surface curvature down to a near-molecular level.

      Most surfaces, even ones that are polished smooth, are very rough on a small scale. This roughness is actually fractal; it's not just one level of coarseness (like sandpaper), it's coarseness on many scales. Match it on one scale, and the next step finer still keeps most of the surface away from you.

      So, if you put your finger on a surface, you're still not touching much of the surface, even if you press quite hard. This limits the amount of van der Waals adhesion you can get (as the effect happens over molecular distances).

      A thin film of water or oil can fill the crevases and make the bonding much stronger, if you want to try sticking your fingers to things. Don't try hanging off the ceiling, though :).

      Disclaimer: This explanation could be completely wrong. It's just the most plausible one I can think of.

    3. Re:So why can't I do it? by Zapper · · Score: 0
      A thin film of water or oil can fill the crevases and make the bonding much stronger, if you want to try sticking your fingers to things. Don't try hanging off the ceiling, though :)

      I've heard that superglue also aids in the process.

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      Try Mozilla
    4. Re:So why can't I do it? by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      A thin film of water or oil can fill the crevases and make the bonding much stronger, if you want to try sticking your fingers to things.

      Ah HAH!! That's how Dr. Hfuhruhurr was able to lick his hands and stick to the wall in "The Man With Two Brains" - I always thought it was a suction effect, but it must have been Van der Waals forces.

      --

      Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
    5. Re:So why can't I do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go dumbfuck yourself numnuts.

      My hand is bigger than the gecko itself, so how the fuck is there supposed to be "more surface area" on the gecko?

    6. Re:So why can't I do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not a hacker, are you? An area can have any surface to circumference ratio, it's all a matter of how complex the edges are. Consider the Mandelbrot Fractal. Circumference of circle, 2 * pi * radius. Circumference of Mandelbrot of same area, um, unknown, I think, but bloody ridiculous. Factors of millions or more wouldn't surprise me at all.

    7. Re:So why can't I do it? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

      Ah HAH!! That's how Dr. Hfuhruhurr was able to lick his hands and stick to the wall in "The Man With Two Brains" - I always thought it was a suction effect, but it must have been Van der Waals forces.

      It was probably suction. And also probably Movie Physics ;).

      Van der Waals forces are very weak (even hydrogen bonding). If Dr. H. could pull the same trick in vacuum, it might be van der Waals, but in air you're much better off just forming a partial vacuum by force and letting air pressure hold you in place.

      Water just helps you get a better seal for this.

  95. I have a crashed Delta... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...send over a core recovery unit.

    "But he didn't know it was old news. Like little robots,"

  96. Better yet by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Gecko steaks! Get your GECKO steaks! Admittedly it isn't Dragon Cuisine but what is these days?

  97. Says someone... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    who's obiously been stuck to the wall one too many times... Watch out! Here they come again! Psych!

  98. It Works Different In Humans by duck_prime · · Score: 2, Funny
    All I need to climb walls are hairy palms? I'll get right on that!
    Er...

    Um...

    I think if you do (ahem) that so much, it'll be your wife climbing the walls.
    1. Re:It Works Different In Humans by MisterBlister · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      I think if you do (ahem) that so much, it'll be your wife climbing the walls.

      Don't worry about that..I've been fucking his wife for the past 3 years.

    2. Re:It Works Different In Humans by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean swimming?

      --
      --Forest C. Adcock--
    3. Re:It Works Different In Humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, remember our threesomes? His wife would be eating out my asshole while I reamed your ass with my cock (you used to call it "Mr. Girth").

      Then we'd switch up and start rubbing bondo all over each others naked bodies.

  99. So how many would it take... by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

    How many geckos would I have to skin to make me some gecko-gloves and gecko-socks?

  100. Gecko pads? by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 1

    Apparently this guy is already using them in his shoes.

    RMN
    ~~~

  101. it wasn't assumed chemical within the past 5 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i heard about this on discovery channel about 5 years ago, i've said it at least a dozen times(this week), don't listen to anything on cnn..lol

  102. I'm disappointed... by suwain_2 · · Score: 1

    ...by the complete lack of Geico jokes! But really, am I the only one who, when reading this, immediately imagined the little Geigo gecko, and assumed I was in for a bunch of comments about Geigo?

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  103. His dream of a geckobot... by CommieLib · · Score: 2

    May be closer than he thinks.

    --
    If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
  104. Don't you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your wrists have had enough!?!?!?!

  105. Halloween's coming up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and I've got an idea to make my Spiderman costume a winner. Since (according to the article) a Gecko can support 280 pounds, I can tie one to each of my hands and feet and start climbing! I'll only need one to do the job, the rest are just insurance. :)

  106. NOT the WIDTH of two human hairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Each is the LENGTH of 2 human hairs. Sheesh.

  107. OLD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have books on geckos that are 15 years old and talk about this phenomenon.

  108. Give it up! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    This story is just not going to stick.

  109. Another way by Tablizer · · Score: 2


    I noticed that if I farted hard enough, my room-mates somehow found a way to climb and stick to the far corner of the room.

  110. Is it just me.....? by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who when they first read the headline thought: "What the heck? You mean there is a real scientific reason that people choose Mozilla over IE aside from the no brainer ones? Such as freedom of choice, security, popup blockage, and giving MS the finger over port 80 instead of 79." No really, I thought there might be some sort of previously unknown sociological or psychological thing concerning large lizards whose RGB color is a multiple of 42 (read: color=#840000) or the concept of geckos running everything behind the scenes (read: mice).

    No really, thats actually what went through my mind.

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    We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
    1. Re:Is it just me.....? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, my first thought was "What the geck?..."

  111. Spiderrrrr mann by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Naa, today I will skip the elevator.

  112. Not Exactly News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm... me and my friends came up with the same conclusion over spring break freshman year. Never thought it was worthy of slashdot though? What ever hapened to the moderators?

  113. You have reached.... by nochops · · Score: 1

    You have reached the Gecko... ...you probably wanted Geico...leave a message at the beep.

    --
    "A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force." -William Blum
  114. MSIE-specific HTML? by DavyByrne · · Score: 1

    I guess I misread the headline "What Makes Gecko [as in Mozilla's HTML rendering engine] Sick" ...

  115. This could be bad... by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

    Patient:
    Hey doc...

    Surgeon:
    What seems to be the problem?

    Patient:
    Well, I got this gecko... (pointing to bum)

    --
    Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
  116. NOT OLD NEWS by AmbientNightmare · · Score: 1

    If I'm not mistaken, I think the point of the article is not what makes geckos stick. The main point of the article is the tiny blurb about how researchers managed to REPLICATE this effect syntheticly. That is what is important. I think I'm going to rush out to the patent office tomorrow and Copyright "Gecko Gloves."

  117. Hence the detachable tails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gecko hanging out on ceiling. Something big grabs its tail. Tail comes off, gecko maintains grip, scampers away across ceiling. Down one tail but otherwise intact.

  118. One step closer to Fuchikomas by McTavi · · Score: 1

    Here I thought the wall climbing trick would be the most unlikely to reproduse.

  119. Thank "Evil Dead 2" by CapS · · Score: 1

    The movie Spider-Man appears to have inspired the scientists in investigating how a gecko's feet work.

    The movie Spider-Man was directed by Sam Raimi.

    The Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 were also directed by Sam Raimi. Without these cult classics, Spider-Man may have never been filmed, or it may not have been as good as it was.

    In other words, we can thank the movie Evil Dead 2 for the discovery of how Gecko's feet work! :)

  120. Geeko by jvollmer · · Score: 1

    They also make the sweetest Linux

  121. Other uses by alanpage · · Score: 1

    How about electrical locks, as opposed to mechanical ones. This would eliminate frozen car door locks in the winter!

    Or bio-electrical clutches, latches, or catches. Taking the mechanics out of these would allow them to be used in many places and environments that make traditional mechanical devices prone to failure (or at least expensive to maintain).

    Alan Page

    1. Re:Other uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I've never been locked out of my car in the winter and I've never had problems opening the door. Keyless entry works wonders. Now to get that remote-starter add-on so I don't have to go outside when it's 35 below and my car is frozen solid.

  122. Old news by lawnm0werman · · Score: 1

    Looks like the scientific community needs to communicate a little better, that way they won't waste so much time re-inventing the wheel over and over. Heard this on NPR years ago. Here's an article about it on the BBC's website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/781611.stm

  123. Photos Here by serutan · · Score: 2

    It's good to see someone at my old alma mater Lewis & Clark College making some headlines. Just to prolong the slashdotting, here are some cool microscopic photos and a QT movie of gecko foot hairs and microsensors.

  124. spider man question? by samoa · · Score: 1

    more of a spider question really. as most of you will remember, in the recent spider(-)man movie, peter can stick to walls by a mechanism similar to the one described above, with the little hairy claw thingees and all. however in the comic books spidey doesn't have the claws.

    i distinctly remember two alternative explanations for this being provided. the first, is in a panel from an old issue (its his second fight with stilt man if that helps, the one where stilt man breaks into the research lab to rebuild his suit). ealier that day spidey/peter stops a bag snatcher on the subway by 'sticky grabbing' the guys jacket. in this panel there is a definate goo like substance twix sideys hand and the guys jacket.

    problem solved right? wrong! see one must also consider the issue (from the whole sin-eater comes back crippled storyline) where electro discovers that spidey sticks to walls by electro magnetic adhesion, giving electro a distinct advantage in battle.

    so how does spidey do it? how do spiders do it (i mean stick to walls you filthy minded child). please answer so i can get some sleep

  125. 280 pounds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so... A single gecko could support 280 pounds using all of them? Sounds like it would be a lot easier to simply glue a couple of live Geckos to a pair of gloves than to actually replicate this artificially. :-?

  126. Your "Little Guy" hangs on a wall at night? by keller · · Score: 1
    I had a bad roach problem


    Well I would recommend going to a doctor instead of releasing a gecko, on my Little Guy... And look what happened when you did this...

    I would wake up at night turn the lights on and see my little guy on a wall somewhere

    Guess the love for my little guy is a different kind of love...

    .K

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    Enig? Det alt for hot det smor!

  127. 300 pound gorrila previously mentioned.... by xactoguy · · Score: 1

    So... we could use two ( or more ) specially trained attack geckos to pick up the 300 pound gorrila previously mentioned, and bring down the Evil Empire's pet?

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    And so we go, on with our lives
    We know the truth, but prefer lies
    Lies are simple, simple is bliss
  128. That explains it... by brooks_talley · · Score: 2

    ...no wonder the damned things always tear in two when I try to do pull-ups on them. The setae can support 280lbs, but the rest of their bodies are woefully underdesigned for that kind of load.

    -b

    1. Re:That explains it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this news is about 2 years old first off. I recall reading this same story in 2000. The talk then is that they were going to use the discovery to create a "tape" for underwater use (oil industry) for binding pipes. I wonder how that would work though as I thought part of the reason this worked was because the gecko could control adhesion through some bio-electrical process that wasn't well understood.

      One extra note is that the article I read back then suggested that the bonds formed were actually at the sub-atomic level and that thus in effect the gecko's foot pads actually became part of the surface itself. This explained why they could climb glass for example.

      However in that story they suggested a single gecko foot-pad supported 28 lbs of weight. I do recall thinking I felt very fortunate not to be the gecko this test was done on. No wonder they've become endangered.

  129. More info by doru · · Score: 1
    Here's the web page of Kellar Autumn at Lewis & Clark College.

    Scroll down for details on gecko climbing.

  130. nah, you just need to read more carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have hairs wider than ours. But, on the tips of these thick hairs, they have millions of super tiny hairs that actually give rise to the phenomena.

    What you're seeing is a much shortened explanation on Salon.

    I'd include a link, but I guess you already read the article?

  131. Cool by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 2

    Maybe, just maybe my childhood dream of being a friendly neighborhood spiderman will come true.

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  132. Beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine what we could achieve with a Beowulf cluster of Geckos...

  133. Before they even fill out the form... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own a gecko.

    PRIOR ART!!

    1. Re:Before they even fill out the form... by Zelig321 · · Score: 1
      I own a gecko

      You don't own it. You paid some money to someone who thought they owned it to gain that (false) ownership.

      And now you think it gives you the right to keep it from running away. That's a big difference.

      So many people think that it all comes down to a price tag. Some concepts just never apply to money, whatever the twist you put on them.

      It was Sting (and many others) who said: "Free, free, set them free..."

  134. Crap. . . by bplipschitz · · Score: 0

    there goes all my research on my Gecko Duct Tape theory.

  135. news crawler? by rnd() · · Score: 2

    It seems likely to me that someone is using a news crawler to catch information about Mozilla, and just happened to 'catch' this story.

    It is more interesting than most news about Mozilla, I must say.

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  136. Entomologists out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the adhesion lies in millions of tiny hairs called 'setae.'"

    Ok, well that's nothing new--the word setae is even the same--to the world of entomology. This gecko research isn't very groundbreaking.

  137. They can by oval_pants · · Score: 1

    stick to walls AND sell insurance. Awesome!

  138. Reposts? by be-fan · · Score: 2

    I finally came up with a good use for those spyware products like DragNet and Carnivore. Instead of using their powers for evil, use them for good. Have them digest the Slashdot archives (at a gigabit per second, should only take a few years :) and whenever a new submission comes along, have them use their heuristics to see if it matches old stories!

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  139. Technology applications by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1

    As many of you may know, the U.S. Armed forces have been researching a silent velcro, pretty much ever since velcro was invented. If we could recreate the effect the gecko displays I'm sure it would solve that problem. What other technical applications might recreating this process apply to?

  140. Let me get this straight by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 2

    1) Geckos can support up to 250lbs with these little hairs
    2) Geckos stick even after death

    Why do we need nanotechnology, why not just make "Gecko Gloves" and stick to things ala-spiderman?

  141. I predict... by ColdForged · · Score: 1
    ...a world-wide run on geckos, a corresponding decline in the general gecko population, and at least a few dozen additional entries in the annual Darwin Awards each year.

    MUSGROVE CREEK, Arkansas (AP): Authorities for the Musgrove County Sheriff's Department today confirmed the identity of a man found dead on the sidewalk near the Spring Street BB&T building Tuesday morning.

    Deputy Ernest Townsend identified the man as 34-year-old Cosworth county native Chester "Twoie" Brack. Brack was discovered early Tuesday morning by workers at the main branch of the BB&T building, dead on the sidewalk with what onlookers described as "just a seriously crushed head."

    Police were confused about the incident, until medical examiners arrived at the scene and discovered what appeared to be one half of a lizard glued to each of Brack's hands. "They were super-glued to the palms of the deceased's hands, from head to tail along their back," revealed Harvey Edgeblat, Musgrove County Chief Medical Examiner. No explanation was given as to why Brack had glued split lizards to his hands.

    Noted taxonomist Dr. Francis Farnsworth solved the mystery Wednesday by identifying the supposed lizards as a species of gecko, Sphaerodactylinae, a lidless gecko native to the region. Dr. Farnsworth noted that geckos are known to have extremely sticky pads and can hold perhaps as much as 285 pounds of weight with the force of adhesion.

    Evidently Brack had heard of this ability, and derived a test involving using the geckos as a kind of suction cup, scaling the side of the BB&T building during the early morning hours.

    "Unfortunately," Dr. Farnsworth continued, " Sphaerodactylinae bodies are not quite capable of supporting the kind of weight the deceased was placing on them." Medical examiners estimated Brack's weight at 275 pounds. "He must have thought that two geckos were sufficient to hold him up."

    Authorities eventually determined that Brack had reached the 7th floor of the 17 story BB&T building before the geckos finally succumbed to the enormous pressures being placed on them. "The geckos pads were capable of sustaining the weight, the Super Glue was capable of sustaining the weight, but the fragile geckos' bodies just gave out," continued Edgeblat.

    The bottom half of the geckos were found still attached to the 7th floor story.

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  142. acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i thought they used a self udalating composite kinetic energy relation system

  143. Spiderman by radoni · · Score: 1

    Stan Lee knew it all along, come on scientists!

    Just your friendly neighborhood sp...okay if you saw the movie, little hairs pop out of Peter Parker character's finger tips.

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  144. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read this somewhere else some years ago.

  145. Why Doesn't A Dead Gecko 'Stick'? by chaanakkya · · Score: 1

    If this molecular crap is true, why doesn't a dead gecko stick?

  146. I'm way ahead of you! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    i've been training for YEARS to grow them, i read on one conservatist mag. that you get them when you m**turbate! having fun AND developing yourself to be a real life spiderman!

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  147. My cat! by metlin · · Score: 2

    Duh. My cat does this already, all I need to do is look for it when I'm shaving and can't find a towel ;-)

  148. The mother of all toothbrushes! by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

    The second picture on this page is actually a photo of a brand new super-toothbrush

    This Mother of All Toothbrushes is made from Gecko Hairs. Forget 200 strokes up and down with sticky toothpaste. Now it takes just one swipe to clean your teeth in 1/8000th of a second! Cleans stains from coffee, cigarettes, permanent marker, super glue, napalm, and more!

    Order yours today!

  149. They took long enough by Daimaou · · Score: 2

    Discovery Channel had a segment on this over a year ago. They even showed some nice close up simulations of the hairs themselves.

    I was hoping that day old unshaved faces, armpits and legs could do the same thing for humans, but was sadly disappointed (although with the added suction of an armpit I did come close).

  150. Crack reporting by Buskaatt · · Score: 1

    CNN reporters will go to any length to get the scoop, I guess. Including kickin' it on the couch and watching the Discovery Channel.

  151. God Dammit! by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 2

    It has been years since I have been able to fit into my plastic Spederman costume and NOW scientists figure out a way to climb walls.

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  152. The attachment angle is new by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    According to the article, what's new is that they've discovered how the angles of the hairs affect the attachment.

    Summary: pull them away 30 degrees and they 'unstick'.

    I didn't read the SciAm article, but I don't remember that part from the popular press last time 'round.

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  153. Old News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not sure why this is only being propagated by the news outlets now. My neighbor told me about this about 8 months ago... he caught it on some channel on DirectTV.

  154. Mobile sticky notes by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

    Your gecko wanders off and that hot chick's number is lost forever.

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  155. OT: Sponsored... by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    Because my systems make me have one.

    I'd use a blank password if I could. :-)

  156. Published in Nature in 2000 by Gamasta · · Score: 0

    In june 2000 this was already published in Nature."Adhesive force of a single gecko foot-hair" by Autumn, Liang, Hsieh, Zesch, Chan, Kenny, Fearing and Full.

    The complete reference for those who access a library or nature.com: Nature 405, 681 - 685 (08 Jun 2000) or simply the first reference if you search for gecko.

    So this article could have been published LONG ago.

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  157. Well, Sparky by gazbo · · Score: 0
    First person makes a comment with a minor grammar error. Second person anally corrects him. Third person tries to correct him despite there not actually being an error. I point out to them that they are in fact wrong.

    So....what part of this is me being anal about grammar - bearing in mind that I was sticking up for the one whose grammar had been criticised?

    I'm not sure about malformed funny bones, however I'm pretty sure that you need to work on your m4d c0mpr3h3n510n 5k1llz.

  158. Gecko Tape ? by dc2rf · · Score: 1

    "Gecko Tape", did you say?
    Wow .... wait until Red Green hears about this!
    One small step for Geeks and Geckos, one giant leap for Red Green!
    Gotta go now ..... must sell my duct tape stock!

  159. It _is_ out of focus by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    That was the Sony DSC-F505; the F707 is better at focussing fast (but it's still the Achilles' heel of an otherwise fine camera, IMHO).

    If you really want to see slow operation, set the thing for redeye-reduction plus noise correction and take a nightframing shot. <Press>... <Thunk> spung up flash... <flashity-flash-flash> the redeye bit... <flash>/<click> take the shot... <click> take the second blacked-out shot... process, process... you'd better not want a second shot of your subject.

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