Not unless AOL get off their A$$ and realizes that I am not going to pay that much for a box my father will only use to browse the web and check email with. Heck I would rather put MS on the box for 400 than shell out for a mac.
I dont think 22% is "a little higher", but thats the problme many people have they never stop to look at how much more they have to work to support a government..
I have a very small site for my very spread out borhters and sisters running over my cable modem connection with dyndns.org doing dns duties for me, if youre not picky about your domain name you can get one of theirs for free, but if you want a custom its like 30$ a year, not too bad.
"more than 50 percent of all security advisories that CERT issued in the first 10 months of 2002 were for Linux and other open-source software solutions.
Proprietary UNIX solutions were responsible for just as many security advisories as Linux in the same time period.
Ok now lets assume that by Proprietary they mean close source UNIX (like Solaris, AIX, HPUX,...) if this is the case than Linux + Open source accounted for more than 50% of the CERTS, but Proprietary accounted for as many as linux that adds up to more than 100% without certs from any OS outside of UNIX.
"Trojan horse-based attacks on Linux, UNIX, and open-source projects jumped from one in 2001 to two in 2002."
This is what I find disturbing not only is it lumping Linux and Unix certs together to outnumber MS, is throws all open source projects (eg Apache, Samba,...) into the same bin. It also give no numbers for **THIS** year (the one MS is supposedly more secure than Linux in), all it say is Linux went up from 1, and MS went down from 6.
Finally there is the following "many Linux distributions lack the sophisticated automatic-update technologies modern Windows versions contain"
Many distros by % of linus market, or by joe blow put a distro out. Redhat, Mandrake, and Suse I know have this feature, and it can run on any Distro if you dl it.
This article provides no numbers, groups together not only multiple operating systems but multiple applications in order to meet is goal (does it cout certs for Apache that hinder windows as being only an open source problem for linux, because that is what is sounds like). Basically its FUD with no substance. If this moron (the writer of the article not the/. poster) wants to make a point I suggest he actually use numbers and not vague referances, he should also learn to compare apples with apples.
I am wondering if they mean one quarter of server operating systems, that is a little more likely to be true. This article is not real news, they are using Linux for their firewall and proxy whcih, are area that linux has had no trouble. Somebody wake me when they start to have articles like this about linux on the desktop...
I would think its more likely that they are going to ask for a "fee" of these western web sites in order to reach how many ever billion of consumers they have.
I think thats a wonderful Idea, you and everyone who thinks the tax cut is an evil evil thing can send their money back in. As I lose a full 45% of my check before it even gets to me Ill take every bit of **MY** money the government decides not to take.
I took a job that was paying me 150% of my previous salery but due to jumping into a higher tax bracket I only net 120% increase, thats friggen sick..
thats assuming all the $$ was spent in 1984 than 40B -> 70B, but I would guess that more money has been spent the last 5 years or so when we actually started building it and inflation is not that high over that period.
I am so tired of seeing this "but it has not been out five years", have you people ever heard of a budget?!?! you can plan for these things you knw. I think the TCO is not correct but dont use a stupid argument.
Unture, it takes fewer highly literate UNIX admins than it does to support windows the day to day needs of a linux system are far less than that of a windows system.
I have been in shos where there are 1.5 window admin FTE's to support 5 friggen servers a terminal an exchange, a domain controller, a file server, and an application server. In that same department we had 3.5 FTE's to support over 50 *NIX servers (and the *NIX servers were hit far more than the windows servers).
I think in general it is, but it would be interesting to see if this was the TCO for one server or ten or one hundred servers? While a unix admin is paid more usually they can support more boxes because a UNIX environment scales better.
I love when a TCO study comes out and people read and article (not reading the TCO itself) and claim victory, the fact is you have to treat one hundred servers differently than you do 5 servers. A TCO is not scale at a linear rate.
ok at 6$ an hour 5 hours of yyour time is worth 30$, win2k cost about 150$ (professional not server), therfore at 6$ an hour you would need to take 25 hours and do nothing in the meantime.
note this does not even include the tax on your 6$ or the sales tax you pay on windows, so really youre probably looking at close to 30 hours of $$ to buy windows..
Actually as an OS a breakup would provide more money from Palladium because MS could not take the money they do make on windows and put it tword Internet explorer, X-Box, MSN,...
Bill makes money on his OS, he loses money just about everywhere else (except office)..
I am usually the last one to rush to MS defence, but the grandparent of this post is right. When you are selling a product you need to do as much testing as possible no matter how good you think it is.
While you are right about when you say "A well-designed and well-implemented operating system works with a web browser, without a web browser, and with a broken web browser. Similarly for any other application. Seperation of system and applications, people!" you would be lying if you told me you would package a Linux distro and not test the installiations of all the products you put in it.
If MS put together a OS "the right way" and did not test some options we would be complaining about their QA process...
Yea but unless you can make it a different face for every call. how disturbing would that be if you picked some hot chicks face while talking to a dog, I mean youre only supposed to have beer goggles when you are drunk..
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Not unless AOL get off their A$$ and realizes that I am not going to pay that much for a box my father will only use to browse the web and check email with. Heck I would rather put MS on the box for 400 than shell out for a mac.
I dont think 22% is "a little higher", but thats the problme many people have they never stop to look at how much more they have to work to support a government..
Because euros subject themselves to taxes even an American you choke at (but dont worry were catching up on this side of the pond very quickly).
I tried that with mine but he needs AOL (boy does he need AOL, he insist that is the internet)
I have a very small site for my very spread out borhters and sisters running over my cable modem connection with dyndns.org doing dns duties for me, if youre not picky about your domain name you can get one of theirs for free, but if you want a custom its like 30$ a year, not too bad.
"more than 50 percent of all security advisories that CERT issued in the first 10 months of 2002 were for Linux and other open-source software solutions.
Proprietary UNIX solutions were responsible for just as many security advisories as Linux in the same time period.
Ok now lets assume that by Proprietary they mean close source UNIX (like Solaris, AIX, HPUX, ...) if this is the case than Linux + Open source accounted for more than 50% of the CERTS, but Proprietary accounted for as many as linux that adds up to more than 100% without certs from any OS outside of UNIX.
"Trojan horse-based attacks on Linux, UNIX, and open-source projects jumped from one in 2001 to two in 2002."
This is what I find disturbing not only is it lumping Linux and Unix certs together to outnumber MS, is throws all open source projects (eg Apache, Samba, ...) into the same bin. It also give no numbers for **THIS** year (the one MS is supposedly more secure than Linux in), all it say is Linux went up from 1, and MS went down from 6.
Finally there is the following "many Linux distributions lack the sophisticated automatic-update technologies modern Windows versions contain"
Many distros by % of linus market, or by joe blow put a distro out. Redhat, Mandrake, and Suse I know have this feature, and it can run on any Distro if you dl it.
This article provides no numbers, groups together not only multiple operating systems but multiple applications in order to meet is goal (does it cout certs for Apache that hinder windows as being only an open source problem for linux, because that is what is sounds like). Basically its FUD with no substance. If this moron (the writer of the article not the /. poster) wants to make a point I suggest he actually use numbers and not vague referances, he should also learn to compare apples with apples.
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no no no, we mean someone you can get on the phone in under 30 minutes without paying even more per seat for MS fee's..
I would think its more likely that they are going to ask for a "fee" of these western web sites in order to reach how many ever billion of consumers they have.
I took a job that was paying me 150% of my previous salery but due to jumping into a higher tax bracket I only net 120% increase, thats friggen sick..
I will vote green when its hitler against stalin with nader holding the gree line
thats assuming all the $$ was spent in 1984 than 40B -> 70B, but I would guess that more money has been spent the last 5 years or so when we actually started building it and inflation is not that high over that period.
but the up front is trivial in the true cost of ownership, it takes a much smaller number of admins to maintain and grow an existing *nix network.
I am so tired of seeing this "but it has not been out five years", have you people ever heard of a budget?!?! you can plan for these things you knw. I think the TCO is not correct but dont use a stupid argument.
I have been in shos where there are 1.5 window admin FTE's to support 5 friggen servers a terminal an exchange, a domain controller, a file server, and an application server. In that same department we had 3.5 FTE's to support over 50 *NIX servers (and the *NIX servers were hit far more than the windows servers).
I love when a TCO study comes out and people read and article (not reading the TCO itself) and claim victory, the fact is you have to treat one hundred servers differently than you do 5 servers. A TCO is not scale at a linear rate.
note this does not even include the tax on your 6$ or the sales tax you pay on windows, so really youre probably looking at close to 30 hours of $$ to buy windows..
BS comparison, unless you weld the hood of your car shut **YOU** should stfu
Bill makes money on his OS, he loses money just about everywhere else (except office)..
While you are right about when you say "A well-designed and well-implemented operating system works with a web browser, without a web browser, and with a broken web browser. Similarly for any other application. Seperation of system and applications, people!" you would be lying if you told me you would package a Linux distro and not test the installiations of all the products you put in it.
If MS put together a OS "the right way" and did not test some options we would be complaining about their QA process...
Just post date it for say October 19, 2095
Get your damn dirty paws off of me you filthy mouse!
Yea but unless you can make it a different face for every call. how disturbing would that be if you picked some hot chicks face while talking to a dog, I mean youre only supposed to have beer goggles when you are drunk..
On a more serious note not everyone reads lips in english, if you develop this right its common for any language
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