Noone knew. Or if they knew, they wouldn't share the sacred knowledge with an 'outsider'. that's my point. Linux chatrooms are like any other dork clique. They want to band together to feel superior, not help or 'spread info of linux'.
If the sketchy collection of faqs and incomplete and out of date howtos don't solve your problem, you're on your own.
My point was, joining users groups or shmoozing online is no way to get the info you need to get things done in a business.
If your car broke down, and you had a gear-head for a friend, it's fine and good to shmooze with him for some info on how to fix it.
If you drove a cab for a living, and it broke down, you probably couldnt afford the time and would just take it to a mechanic.
The only difference in that analogy, is that most gear-heads I know are more than willing to talk cars and help you out.
As an odd side note, i've gotten a ton of help configuring samba the way i want it to work from microsofts forums. (well, mixed domains of nt and 2k) I learned a ton about manually editting user profiles, logon scripts, etc, etc. Didn't cost me a dime.
>> one thing to not about Free software is that the support base from the community is huge. as a result when you are having problems there are many more resources available for you online than there are for proprietary software.
Where is this giant support base? The land of Oz? Do I need a special badge, or do the Vulcan salute to get in?
I spent 3 weeks of trial and error trying to get Samba to function as a PDC, it wouldn't allow some boxes to log on no matter what I did. I scoured the net, I pored through newsgroups and mailing lists, and then finally sought help on IRC only to be told to RTFM and blah blah from elitist jackasses.
Frankly, I'm sure none of them had a clue - RTFM is circle-jerk for "I don't know jack shit".
Eventually I figured it out myself. Sortof. I renamed the boxes and now they could join. I still have no idea what the problem was or how it happened or why renaming a PC fixed it. I do know I was pretty damn close to just expensing a copy of 2k server.
For the hobbyist, it may be all fine and good to cruise IRC groups, kiss nerds asses and shmooze and beg for help when you need it. It doesn't cut it in the business world - it's much easier to just call the support line.
Even one day of my salary is much pricier than a 150$ phone call.
If anyone knows where this giant base of linux support experts resides, please fill me in. Until then, I'd rather waste time looking for the Loch Ness Monster or Atlantis.
>> That still doesn't satisfy the requirement of emulation that software or hardware be modified.
It modifies the way linux behaves, allowing it to run executables it isn't designed for, from a wholly different system.
Just like I modify my behavior to 'emulate' the boss at the company christmas party.
Got it, yet? Emulate means 'to act like'. Wine acts like windows. It's that simple.
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How about.. Hey Ruiz, see YOU in court.
Unless he has proof, that would be libel, no? Of course not - in his world, when a competitor gets more business by offering a substantial discount that you cant match - thats bribery. When you do it, that's good business.
Maybe Gateway cant deal with the support cost of overheated (and dead) Athlons? Or maybe too many processor cores are getting crushed when putting on the heatsinks? Maybe they just DONT SELL to gateway's customers. I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to stock AMDs CPUs that don't involve some giant corporate conspiracy.
Now,
AMD has their thumbs just as deep in MSFTs Palladium pie, they just have smaller thumbs and leave smaller prints.
Why do you assume because a company is struggling in a market makes them somehow kinder and fuzzier?
What makes you think AMD gives a flying fuck about open source? Are they a non-profit orginization now?
If tomorrow, AMD magically had 80% (desktop) market share, and Intel 20%, would the world be a better place?
If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd boycott anything and everything digital, DVDs, CDs, video games, computers, and make a statement that you don't like the way the industry is treating us with DRM et al.
Anything short of that is not only pointless - it's hypocritical. Hear yourself saying "Intel is an evil company! Buy AMD!". It's moronic.
It's only a farce now because colleges and universities basically have you pay 10k a year to recap what you should have learned in public school. They've also taught the last generation or two that college is a 'place to party'.
Like anything else, your time at a college/university can count as experience.
This is what matters. BSc in Comp Sci is no match for 'BSc in Comp Sci, developed in house system for student management, president of computer science club, etc, etc'
Then you have 4 years of experience, not 4 years of partying on mom and dads tab.
>> So, exactly what software or hardware did WINE modify to complete the WINE project?
You mean linux natively supports DLL (Dynamic Linking Library) and PE (Portable Executable) binary formats?
WINE emulates the Windows environment. It doesn't emulate an x86 or any other hardware directly, which is why it won't work under PPC linux, and why they don't want to consider it an emulator.
It is, however, in the logical and literal senses, an emulator. It's just not a hardware emulator.
>> By contrast, the original Domesday Book, an inventory of England compiled in 1086 by Norman monks, is in fine condition in the Public Record Office in Kew, London
An inventory of what? Lutes? Bear-baiting posts? DIY witchburning kits?
>> The video discs feature about a million people in the UK
Which people, and doing what, and for what purpose?
Ok, its an archive. But an archive of what, and for whom?
Whatever, mod me down as flamebait again.
Just more time spent trying to decipher slashdots crappy report of the BBC's shitty, uninformative coverage.
Just to react to the dozens of dopey "wine isnt an emulator" answers you're about to recieve, I present the dictionary.com definition of emulator.
Emulator: 1.2. (omitted - irrelevant) 3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
If he was FedEx'ing heroin or mail-bombs to US citizens, you bet the US would swear out a warrant, and negotiate an extradition with the Ruskies.
BTW, the/. summary is innacurate and misleading. The company is being charged, not the programmer. Sklyarov is a witness for both the prosecution and defense.
Simple spin, slashbots will be more adamant in defending a person, than a corporation.
3do was founded by trip hawkins (of EA fame) as a company that would liscense out the hardware to whoever wanted to manufacture it. Essentially it would have eliminated the number one geek gripe about consoles - proprietary hardware. The system was to be "open", as far as development was concerned.
Panasonic, Goldstar, Creative Labs took up the challenge (there were others too), but not seeing any of the software liscencing pie, wound up charging upwards of 800$ for the earliest units. By the time they came down in price, it was all over.
Of course, it wasnt to be merely a gaming console, either, but the elusive "convergence" device. Video CD, Audio CD+G, PhotoCD, etc.. VideoCDs utter failure in north america also contributed to its death.
There were other neat design features that frankly didn't work. Like daisychained controllers. Player 2s pad plugged into Player 1s. Thing is, if Player 2 was winning, Player 1 could easily unplug him..
Still, it has its place in history. It was the first console solely based on CD, and it did have more than 3 good titles.
A lot more, if you count vivid videos 3DO porn line-up.
I still fire mine up from time to time to play the most accurate arcade translation of Street Fighter II, Samurai Shodown. If not for the pricing, it really could have had the position the PSX eventually took.
most games, codewise, are just mods to a game engine, which is/was very much used, and not something you give away, with a few exceptions (doom, quake).
the plots can be recycled, again not something you give away. Same with any artwork, cinemas, etc.
they can, however, be bought. these guys have bought out a few scrapped sega cd, vectrex, cd-i and colecovision games, finished them, and offers them for sale.
Similar community based efforts may work. Though not enough are interested in anything but 'latest newest highest poly-count' FPS titles.
>> is one application that could take advantage of 3G.. who wouldn't want to turn their phone into a mp3 player with unlimited tunes? Oh um, and I don't know, about a zillion other things
Not for 6$ per half megabyte, they dont. And if they did, they no doubt already could.
Stupid hello kitty backdrops are the only thing most people could do with reasonable cost, and I think thats the point.
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Noone knew. Or if they knew, they wouldn't share the sacred knowledge with an 'outsider'. that's my point. Linux chatrooms are like any other dork clique. They want to band together to feel superior, not help or 'spread info of linux'.
If the sketchy collection of faqs and incomplete and out of date howtos don't solve your problem, you're on your own.
My point was, joining users groups or shmoozing online is no way to get the info you need to get things done in a business.
If your car broke down, and you had a gear-head for a friend, it's fine and good to shmooze with him for some info on how to fix it.
If you drove a cab for a living, and it broke down, you probably couldnt afford the time and would just take it to a mechanic.
The only difference in that analogy, is that most gear-heads I know are more than willing to talk cars and help you out.
As an odd side note, i've gotten a ton of help configuring samba the way i want it to work from microsofts forums. (well, mixed domains of nt and 2k) I learned a ton about manually editting user profiles, logon scripts, etc, etc. Didn't cost me a dime.
"So it is generally acknowledged that using the MVC pattern is the proper way to build web applications"
MARVEL VS CAPCOM!!!!!
Ha-DOOO-Kin!
You must defeat my java applet to stand a chance!
Yes, just like that.
J-code runs solely from emulated virtual machines. Real java machines don't exist.
Of course, you knew that, didn't you?
>> one thing to not about Free software is that the support base from the community is huge. as a result when you are having problems there are many more resources available for you online than there are for proprietary software.
Where is this giant support base? The land of Oz? Do I need a special badge, or do the Vulcan salute to get in?
I spent 3 weeks of trial and error trying to get Samba to function as a PDC, it wouldn't allow some boxes to log on no matter what I did. I scoured the net, I pored through newsgroups and mailing lists, and then finally sought help on IRC only to be told to RTFM and blah blah from elitist jackasses.
Frankly, I'm sure none of them had a clue - RTFM is circle-jerk for "I don't know jack shit".
Eventually I figured it out myself. Sortof. I renamed the boxes and now they could join. I still have no idea what the problem was or how it happened or why renaming a PC fixed it. I do know I was pretty damn close to just expensing a copy of 2k server.
For the hobbyist, it may be all fine and good to cruise IRC groups, kiss nerds asses and shmooze and beg for help when you need it. It doesn't cut it in the business world - it's much easier to just call the support line.
Even one day of my salary is much pricier than a 150$ phone call.
If anyone knows where this giant base of linux support experts resides, please fill me in. Until then, I'd rather waste time looking for the Loch Ness Monster or Atlantis.
>> That still doesn't satisfy the requirement of emulation that software or hardware be modified.
It modifies the way linux behaves, allowing it to run executables it isn't designed for, from a wholly different system.
Just like I modify my behavior to 'emulate' the boss at the company christmas party.
Got it, yet? Emulate means 'to act like'. Wine acts like windows. It's that simple.
How about.. Hey Ruiz, see YOU in court.
Unless he has proof, that would be libel, no? Of course not - in his world, when a competitor gets more business by offering a substantial discount that you cant match - thats bribery. When you do it, that's good business.
Maybe Gateway cant deal with the support cost of overheated (and dead) Athlons? Or maybe too many processor cores are getting crushed when putting on the heatsinks? Maybe they just DONT SELL to gateway's customers. I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to stock AMDs CPUs that don't involve some giant corporate conspiracy.
Now,
AMD has their thumbs just as deep in MSFTs Palladium pie, they just have smaller thumbs and leave smaller prints.
Why do you assume because a company is struggling in a market makes them somehow kinder and fuzzier?
What makes you think AMD gives a flying fuck about open source? Are they a non-profit orginization now?
If tomorrow, AMD magically had 80% (desktop) market share, and Intel 20%, would the world be a better place?
If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd boycott anything and everything digital, DVDs, CDs, video games, computers, and make a statement that you don't like the way the industry is treating us with DRM et al.
Anything short of that is not only pointless - it's hypocritical. Hear yourself saying "Intel is an evil company! Buy AMD!". It's moronic.
AMD is supporting palladium too.
So, no.
It's only a farce now because colleges and universities basically have you pay 10k a year to recap what you should have learned in public school. They've also taught the last generation or two that college is a 'place to party'.
Like anything else, your time at a college/university can count as experience.
This is what matters. BSc in Comp Sci is no match for 'BSc in Comp Sci, developed in house system for student management, president of computer science club, etc, etc'
Then you have 4 years of experience, not 4 years of partying on mom and dads tab.
They'll do all the work for you, and (usually) get paid by the hiring company for finding you.
This article is good advise if you want to work as a support tech at ticketmaster, but in my experience, a good headhunter is the only way to go.
>> So, exactly what software or hardware did WINE modify to complete the WINE project?
You mean linux natively supports DLL (Dynamic Linking Library) and PE (Portable Executable) binary formats?
WINE emulates the Windows environment. It doesn't emulate an x86 or any other hardware directly, which is why it won't work under PPC linux, and why they don't want to consider it an emulator.
It is, however, in the logical and literal senses, an emulator. It's just not a hardware emulator.
>> By contrast, the original Domesday Book, an inventory of England compiled in 1086 by Norman monks, is in fine condition in the Public Record Office in Kew, London
An inventory of what? Lutes? Bear-baiting posts? DIY witchburning kits?
>> The video discs feature about a million people in the UK
Which people, and doing what, and for what purpose?
Ok, its an archive. But an archive of what, and for whom?
Whatever, mod me down as flamebait again.
Just more time spent trying to decipher slashdots crappy report of the BBC's shitty, uninformative coverage.
Just to react to the dozens of dopey "wine isnt an emulator" answers you're about to recieve, I present the dictionary.com definition of emulator.
Emulator:
1.2. (omitted - irrelevant)
3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
Yes, Virginia, WINE IS an emulator!
they could try this advanced technique of just WRITING THE SHIT DOWN IF ITS SO FUCKING IMPORTANT!
Seriously, the original book lasted close to 1000 years. Some ass-hat professor thinks he's going to do better, and it lasted - what - 2?
Write the shit down. Keep whatever you wrote it down on in a safe place.
I RTFA, and I don't know what the hell this domesday unit is. Some sort of time-capsule thing?
Judging by the other posts, noone else does either, and just see another chance to spout their anti-[everything to do with the US or IP law] views.
I mean, they emulated it - good for them - but what in the blue hell is it?
The 1086 book too - excuse me for not knowing (or caring) about medieval british history.
Yes it can.
/. summary is innacurate and misleading. The company is being charged, not the programmer. Sklyarov is a witness for both the prosecution and defense.
If he was FedEx'ing heroin or mail-bombs to US citizens, you bet the US would swear out a warrant, and negotiate an extradition with the Ruskies.
BTW, the
Simple spin, slashbots will be more adamant in defending a person, than a corporation.
One word: PostScript.
Adobe OWNS printing in the unix world.
It didn't "emulate" a 3do, it was a 3do..
3do was founded by trip hawkins (of EA fame) as a company that would liscense out the hardware to whoever wanted to manufacture it. Essentially it would have eliminated the number one geek gripe about consoles - proprietary hardware. The system was to be "open", as far as development was concerned.
Panasonic, Goldstar, Creative Labs took up the challenge (there were others too), but not seeing any of the software liscencing pie, wound up charging upwards of 800$ for the earliest units. By the time they came down in price, it was all over.
Of course, it wasnt to be merely a gaming console, either, but the elusive "convergence" device. Video CD, Audio CD+G, PhotoCD, etc.. VideoCDs utter failure in north america also contributed to its death.
There were other neat design features that frankly didn't work. Like daisychained controllers. Player 2s pad plugged into Player 1s. Thing is, if Player 2 was winning, Player 1 could easily unplug him..
Still, it has its place in history. It was the first console solely based on CD, and it did have more than 3 good titles.
A lot more, if you count vivid videos 3DO porn line-up.
I still fire mine up from time to time to play the most accurate arcade translation of Street Fighter II, Samurai Shodown. If not for the pricing, it really could have had the position the PSX eventually took.
some reasons.
most games, codewise, are just mods to a game engine, which is/was very much used, and not something you give away, with a few exceptions (doom, quake).
the plots can be recycled, again not something you give away. Same with any artwork, cinemas, etc.
they can, however, be bought. these guys have bought out a few scrapped sega cd, vectrex, cd-i and colecovision games, finished them, and offers them for sale.
Similar community based efforts may work. Though not enough are interested in anything but 'latest newest highest poly-count' FPS titles.
>> is one application that could take advantage of 3G.. who wouldn't want to turn their phone into a mp3 player with unlimited tunes? Oh um, and I don't know, about a zillion other things
Not for 6$ per half megabyte, they dont. And if they did, they no doubt already could.
Stupid hello kitty backdrops are the only thing most people could do with reasonable cost, and I think thats the point.
G-spot success
>> I also don't think that a M$ OS is the way to go. The bloat in OS would just use up so much memory and processor cycles
So would the bloat in most popular linu$ distribs.
>> If the WinXP OS is running all sorts of junk in the background, the system will heat up considerably
And likewise if your free OS is running all sorts of junk in the background.
>> Usually, its all proprietary programs.
No, it runs Windows XP. It's basically just a really cool laptop with a touchscreen.
Of course, though, you didn't RTFA. You just saw Microsoft in the submission and figured its a good opportunity to troll in the name of linux.
*knock knock*
"Timmy, your brother needs to use the washroom. What are you doing in there?"
"I'm playing with dad's wang, mom"
Since they aren't GNU/Linux based, the average user isnt all that oily and dirty to begin with.
So it isn't much of an issue.
Thank goodness he's drawn attention away from my T-Shirt!
(Btw, if you install linux, you can still have a wang computer)
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