Oh, I think that it's absolutely in the interests of the Communist Party of China to create their own DNS system. Same with Syria and North Korea and Belarus and Turkmenistan and the list goes on. Whether it's in the interests of the people of those countries is an entirely different matter. I don't think that the U.S. should give these countries a vote on Internet governance in the UN. If they want to take a shot at designing, implementing, financing and enforcing use of their own DNS system, good luck.
Right, the U.S., as a member of the UN, would have a good deal of say over Internet governance if this plan were to go forward. On the other hand, should the Internet have the U.S. along with every other government in the world having a say over its governance? The U.S. has given a private organization with an international board control over the Internet. It maintains a laissez-faire position, with the exception of a veto, which is not frequently (or at all) used.
The U.S. is pro-democracy, but only insofar as democracy is a means to guarantee a liberal and limited government. The UN is anything but, because of its member states, who are far more willing (indeed eager) to regulate, limit, and filter the internet. Other nations already have a voice--they just don't have ultimate control. And that's a good thing.
The internet has to be in safe hands, and if a fracturing of the net is required then thats the price we shall have to pay to safeguard the whole.
You're right. Let's give control to Syria, North Korea, and China. These UN members in good standing will keep the internet safe, while the U.S. and its back-dues to the UN can reap the whirlwind of wanting to retain control over their own creation, which they so presumptuously chose to share with the rest of the world.
IT is ultimately those who provide the infrastructure who will decide what needs to be organized and by whom. This isn't a government issue.. it's an ISP issue.
Exactly. Which is why we don't need UN "governance". This is a power play by countries that want to regulate internet content, not a move designed to ensure the free flow of information. The internet has been doing just fine.
What buggers me is that our governments (US and EU) are so fucked up that it seems countries aren't able to think "hey, this is the Right Thing to do, let's do it because everybody will benefit". Instead, apparently they just think "let's do everything we can to have more power and control so we can have more money"
I agree. The U.S. has given power over the Internet to a private group with an international board. It doesn't directly control ICANN, but it does retain a veto--a right which it has infrequently exercised. The EU and the other countries are making a power play to move internet governance to the UN, where their governments can gain power over how the internet is used and regulated. This isn't altruistic in its motivations in the least, and it's certainly not The Right Thing To Do. Everybody has benefited from the internet so far, and it is only active government intervention that has limited people's access to free information.
Firewalls already mess with worldwide connectivity at national borders. Look at China. Giving the Internet to the UN, where China has veto power, is not going to solve the problem--it will aggravate the problem.
There may be no other international body capable of managing the internet (a specious claim on face), but granting you that, there are plenty of organizations capable of running the internet that are not international. ICANN has international board members and is doing just fine. Nor is the internet "exclusively under American control". The Department of Commerce retains a veto, but otherwise governance is left to ICANN.
If by "the other day" you mean earlier today, in a story posted by yourself! Unbelievable. Simply stunning. I thought dupes couldn't get any more absurd, but this one takes the cake.
No, it's not crazy. Because, who determines how the central pot gets divvied up? And on what standards? You mentioned three: population, estimated online sales tax, and who-needs-it-the-most. None of those is satisfactory or objective.
What's crazy is that they are trying to tax online sales at all. Sales online should be kept free from taxation, especially state taxation, because it's all but unimplementable, not to mention unconstitutional.
You are conflating the World Wide Wed and the Internet. The WWW was created by scientists and academia. The Internet was created by the U.S. military. The WWW would not have been possible if it were not for the U.S. military's creation. The world would not have free access to the Internet, if it were not for the benevolent policies of that "police state run by religious fanatics, a military industiral complex". Your post is FUD.
I agree 100%. The Venom story alone should take up an entire movie. Putting Sandman in too, in addition to Hobgoblin still being around is just going to kill the ability to tell a cohesive story. Looks like this franchise is about to jump to shark.
Actually, al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden used satellite mobile phones for many years before they realized that the U.S. had caught on and was listening in. Since then they used zip drives sent by courier, but if they had access to encrypted satellite communications don't you doubt for a second that they would use them.
Turkey and Iran are not perfect. Unelected clerics get to disqualify 1000+ candidates each time an election rolls around because they're not conservative enough. In Turkey the military gets to have a coup anytime the electorate gives power to people slightly too Islamic. Granted, no democracy is perfect, but those are pretty significant flaws.
In fact, they have this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information.
This is the slogan difference that Bill Gates was referring to. Still, a hilarious way to sum things up in the interview. "We disagree with the other company's slogan." Genius business insight there, buddy.
It's like people who's entire political philosophies are capable of being summed up by bumper stickers. You just feel sad for them.
No president has ever acknowledged the War Powers Act as having authority over their actions. Every administration since it was passed, be it Republican or Democrat, has held the position that the War Powers Act is an unconstitutional extension of Congresses' authority into the proper domain of the Executive, as established by the Constitution. The War Powers Act does not limit the power of the Executive, and would stand a good chance of being overturned by the courts if Congress ever attempted to enforce it.
It's mostly independent because of the British, not the Chinese. It was the UK in the early 1800's that made it a trading outpost and secured colonial rights to the island. It remained a crown colony until 1941, when it was conquered by the Japanese. It had limited self-government after WWII, and was merged with Malaysia for two years (1963-65). It was during this time that racial tensions escalated dramatically. Malaysia then voted to expel Singapore from the country (Singapore, it seems, is the only country to ever have gained independence unvoluntarily).
Actually, only between 60 and 70% of the USA claims to be Christian. Our national holidays, stricly speaking, are all secular (Flag day, Independence day, Labor day, etc)--so many people take off for Christmas that it's a de facto holiday, but it's not a de jure national holiday.
Posting on it now. Generally teh snappier on OS X, which I appreciate. Text handling still isn't good enough to switch from Camino. The drag n drop tabs are a very welcome addition. Also, it looks like the Slashdot bug has been cleared up. Sweet.
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Oh, I think that it's absolutely in the interests of the Communist Party of China to create their own DNS system. Same with Syria and North Korea and Belarus and Turkmenistan and the list goes on. Whether it's in the interests of the people of those countries is an entirely different matter. I don't think that the U.S. should give these countries a vote on Internet governance in the UN. If they want to take a shot at designing, implementing, financing and enforcing use of their own DNS system, good luck.
The U.S. is pro-democracy, but only insofar as democracy is a means to guarantee a liberal and limited government. The UN is anything but, because of its member states, who are far more willing (indeed eager) to regulate, limit, and filter the internet. Other nations already have a voice--they just don't have ultimate control. And that's a good thing.
You're right. Let's give control to Syria, North Korea, and China. These UN members in good standing will keep the internet safe, while the U.S. and its back-dues to the UN can reap the whirlwind of wanting to retain control over their own creation, which they so presumptuously chose to share with the rest of the world.
Exactly. Which is why we don't need UN "governance". This is a power play by countries that want to regulate internet content, not a move designed to ensure the free flow of information. The internet has been doing just fine.
I agree. The U.S. has given power over the Internet to a private group with an international board. It doesn't directly control ICANN, but it does retain a veto--a right which it has infrequently exercised. The EU and the other countries are making a power play to move internet governance to the UN, where their governments can gain power over how the internet is used and regulated. This isn't altruistic in its motivations in the least, and it's certainly not The Right Thing To Do. Everybody has benefited from the internet so far, and it is only active government intervention that has limited people's access to free information.
There may be no other international body capable of managing the internet (a specious claim on face), but granting you that, there are plenty of organizations capable of running the internet that are not international. ICANN has international board members and is doing just fine. Nor is the internet "exclusively under American control". The Department of Commerce retains a veto, but otherwise governance is left to ICANN.
I thought the designated "follow up" space was a regular feature called "Slashback". Am I wrong?
If by "the other day" you mean earlier today, in a story posted by yourself! Unbelievable. Simply stunning. I thought dupes couldn't get any more absurd, but this one takes the cake.
What's crazy is that they are trying to tax online sales at all. Sales online should be kept free from taxation, especially state taxation, because it's all but unimplementable, not to mention unconstitutional.
You are conflating the World Wide Wed and the Internet. The WWW was created by scientists and academia. The Internet was created by the U.S. military. The WWW would not have been possible if it were not for the U.S. military's creation. The world would not have free access to the Internet, if it were not for the benevolent policies of that "police state run by religious fanatics, a military industiral complex". Your post is FUD.
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Try OmniWeb. It's based on Safari, only the user experience is far far better.
I agree 100%. The Venom story alone should take up an entire movie. Putting Sandman in too, in addition to Hobgoblin still being around is just going to kill the ability to tell a cohesive story. Looks like this franchise is about to jump to shark.
At least it wasn't renamed Googse.cx
Actually, al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden used satellite mobile phones for many years before they realized that the U.S. had caught on and was listening in. Since then they used zip drives sent by courier, but if they had access to encrypted satellite communications don't you doubt for a second that they would use them.
Turkey and Iran are not perfect. Unelected clerics get to disqualify 1000+ candidates each time an election rolls around because they're not conservative enough. In Turkey the military gets to have a coup anytime the electorate gives power to people slightly too Islamic. Granted, no democracy is perfect, but those are pretty significant flaws.
No, you can hear Willis clearly saying "RIAA tastes the panda's ass".
This is the slogan difference that Bill Gates was referring to. Still, a hilarious way to sum things up in the interview. "We disagree with the other company's slogan." Genius business insight there, buddy.
It's like people who's entire political philosophies are capable of being summed up by bumper stickers. You just feel sad for them.
No president has ever acknowledged the War Powers Act as having authority over their actions. Every administration since it was passed, be it Republican or Democrat, has held the position that the War Powers Act is an unconstitutional extension of Congresses' authority into the proper domain of the Executive, as established by the Constitution. The War Powers Act does not limit the power of the Executive, and would stand a good chance of being overturned by the courts if Congress ever attempted to enforce it.
It's mostly independent because of the British, not the Chinese. It was the UK in the early 1800's that made it a trading outpost and secured colonial rights to the island. It remained a crown colony until 1941, when it was conquered by the Japanese. It had limited self-government after WWII, and was merged with Malaysia for two years (1963-65). It was during this time that racial tensions escalated dramatically. Malaysia then voted to expel Singapore from the country (Singapore, it seems, is the only country to ever have gained independence unvoluntarily).
Actually, only between 60 and 70% of the USA claims to be Christian. Our national holidays, stricly speaking, are all secular (Flag day, Independence day, Labor day, etc)--so many people take off for Christmas that it's a de facto holiday, but it's not a de jure national holiday.
Posting on it now. Generally teh snappier on OS X, which I appreciate. Text handling still isn't good enough to switch from Camino. The drag n drop tabs are a very welcome addition. Also, it looks like the Slashdot bug has been cleared up. Sweet.