I think somebody needs to read what i wrote. "If we live long enough, a giant asteroid will hit the earth, or something else of that nature that will kill everyone on the planet."
Statistically likely and "a certainty" are two entirely different things. Maybe you should grab a book on probabilities?
Nice straw-man. I wonder if you know what that means. I just provided a counterexample of why you can't justify something by saying "the government was elected, so whatever it does is okay".
I really hate to tell you this, but it's been that way for a _long_ time. Since well before you were born.
This also doesn't justify them. Slavery was around for a long time too before it was eliminated.
That's the way the found fathers wanted it, and as best as i can tell that's the way the majority of people have wanted it.
Again, nothing you're saying justifies it in any logical way. That's the way some dead guys wanted it... that's the way 51% of the people wanted it... that's the way 99% of the people want it. Let the 99% of the people pay for it then.
Those taxes are completly legal under our form of government, so they are not theft.
And murder of Jews was completely legal in Nazi Germany... thus it was not murder... right?
Choosing to continue living in this country is you implicent(sic) concent(sic) to be governed by it's rules, included getting taxed.
Counterexample:
Suppose I say continuing to stay on my lawn is implicit consent to being anally raped by wolves. Does that mean I'm morally justified in attacking you with the wolves?
First of all, explain how it's theft exactly.
Money was taken from people without their consent.
The government has the right to do whatever it wants with the taxes it collects. If you don't like what they do you elect someone else, but that doesn't make unwise expeditures theft.
So when Nazi Germany spent its tax dollars exterminating Jews, that was legitimate? After all, if the Jews didn't want to be extermined they shouldn't have let Hitler win the election.
Second of all, it's not a "what-if", it's an eventual certainty. If we live long enough, a giant asteroid will hit the earth, or something else of that nature that will kill everyone on the planet.
I think somebody needs to look up the term "certainty". Unless you can point to an asteroid presently on a collision course, its just a question of probability. Since the universe is finite, there's no logical reason to suggest another asteroid "must" hit the earth.
Of course it's possible that we'll kill ourselves off before that happens, but if so, then what does it really matter what we spend a few extra billions on right now?
I know its a radical suggestion, but how about each person spends their own money on what they want to spend it on, rather than what you think they should, or even what a voting majority thinks they should?
I don't know, but it seems to me if your political ideology that justifies killing off otherwise innocent people because of their political ideologies was running the world mankind would've probably witnessed every bit as much murder and suffering.
Right, but those costs are common to all the competitors too, and they got into the business. New companies keep springing up all the time, so its clearly not a significant barrier. For some reason, however, all the new companies charge the same rates.
The fact remains, if the existing companies are overcharging one could build a successful business plan around entering the market as the "low cost carrier". There is no shortage of capital for business ideas like that.
I have a hard time buying the notion of universal collusion. Usually this only works if there is a virtually impassable barrier to entry. AFAIK the Canadian government has no such barriers.
Because right now, if we could say for certain that all these companies are overcharging and pocketing the difference, one of us could go to Canada, start our own competitor corporation charging a fair rate, and take a huge chunk of the market.
Remember, its not just the corporations that exist which tell you something, its the corporations which don't exist.
Its a different company than it was 10 years ago. This isn't just a matter of NOVL trying to tack on a few new side businesses, Linux is literally going to be the centerpiece of the new look NOVL.
That Netware is losing market share at this point is a meaningless argument. Novell has known this was going to happen for years, so they parlayed some of their cash into a new business direction.
What exactly happens if KISS is found in violation of the GPL? Does some government agency get to kick down their doors and take all their source code? Is there some sort of monetary damages, and if so, who would get them?
"I think it's called anxiety. I get it alot when i'm away from my computer, I don't have that clickly click click of the keyboard"
You're not alone. I've absolutely GOT to have access to a computer, even if I don't actually use it, or I start to feel really nervous.
I'm at the point where if I'm going away for more than a few hours I take my Zaurus and a foldable IRDA keyboard with me. 99% of the time I don't even use it... just knowing that I could...
1. Most of the time they don't need a warrant anymore. Just some vague idea that something wrong might be going on.
2. The costs aren't being taken on their own shoulders, they're being paid for with money stolen from all of us, including the company and individuals concerned.
The United States government are hypocritical... that's an almost universal truth.
It would've been better if they hadn't destroyed America's ability to compete on a global scale than to try to change the rules elsewhere now that its discovered they can't. An ounce of prevention is always better than a pound of cure. Right now I'm not sure anything short of a total devaluation of the US Dollar is going to rectify the situation.
You actually make a very good point, but this isn't a "Free Market", it only pretends to be.
The very existance of things like taxation and minimum wage laws have turned it into a "regulated market" at best, and a "Socialism in denial" at worst.
Maybe its that spending enormous amounts of money on degrees just isn't a wise investment anymore. Carly didn't ask us to go get that degree, so its not her responsibility to help us pay for it.
I hear you though... I spent 5 years getting two high tech degrees, and so far the best job it landed me was $8 an hour in a grocery store... and that went out of business a year ago.
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I think somebody needs to read what i wrote. "If we live long enough, a giant asteroid will hit the earth, or something else of that nature that will kill everyone on the planet."
Statistically likely and "a certainty" are two entirely different things. Maybe you should grab a book on probabilities?
Nice straw-man.
I wonder if you know what that means. I just provided a counterexample of why you can't justify something by saying "the government was elected, so whatever it does is okay".
I really hate to tell you this, but it's been that way for a _long_ time. Since well before you were born.
This also doesn't justify them. Slavery was around for a long time too before it was eliminated.
That's the way the found fathers wanted it, and as best as i can tell that's the way the majority of people have wanted it.
Again, nothing you're saying justifies it in any logical way. That's the way some dead guys wanted it... that's the way 51% of the people wanted it... that's the way 99% of the people want it. Let the 99% of the people pay for it then.
Those taxes are completly legal under our form of government, so they are not theft.
And murder of Jews was completely legal in Nazi Germany... thus it was not murder... right?
Choosing to continue living in this country is you implicent(sic) concent(sic) to be governed by it's rules, included getting taxed.
Counterexample:
Suppose I say continuing to stay on my lawn is implicit consent to being anally raped by wolves. Does that mean I'm morally justified in attacking you with the wolves?
First of all, explain how it's theft exactly.
Money was taken from people without their consent.
The government has the right to do whatever it wants with the taxes it collects. If you don't like what they do you elect someone else, but that doesn't make unwise expeditures theft.
So when Nazi Germany spent its tax dollars exterminating Jews, that was legitimate? After all, if the Jews didn't want to be extermined they shouldn't have let Hitler win the election.
Second of all, it's not a "what-if", it's an eventual certainty. If we live long enough, a giant asteroid will hit the earth, or something else of that nature that will kill everyone on the planet.
I think somebody needs to look up the term "certainty". Unless you can point to an asteroid presently on a collision course, its just a question of probability. Since the universe is finite, there's no logical reason to suggest another asteroid "must" hit the earth.
Of course it's possible that we'll kill ourselves off before that happens, but if so, then what does it really matter what we spend a few extra billions on right now?
I know its a radical suggestion, but how about each person spends their own money on what they want to spend it on, rather than what you think they should, or even what a voting majority thinks they should?
Can I use that same argument to justify a murder by asking everyone to compare it to how many people Hitler or Stalin killed?
There is, but its expired.
The money was stolen in the first place.
I sure wouldn't have given it if they didn't threaten me with violence... sounds like extortion to me.
Step 1. Stop conquering other countries.
Step 2. Stop supporting violent regimes overseas.
Step 3. Stop pretending the government is really "protecting American lives" when it makes a power grab.
I don't know, but it seems to me if your political ideology that justifies killing off otherwise innocent people because of their political ideologies was running the world mankind would've probably witnessed every bit as much murder and suffering.
So why don't you write them a check?
What you're really saying is you think other people's money would be better spent on NASA.
So post hoc ergo propter hoc, rather than being a logical fallacy anymore, is now proof that space programs are good?
Can we really justify the theft of billions of dollars in the name of maybe defending against some improbable cosmological what-if?
Right, but those costs are common to all the competitors too, and they got into the business. New companies keep springing up all the time, so its clearly not a significant barrier. For some reason, however, all the new companies charge the same rates.
The fact remains, if the existing companies are overcharging one could build a successful business plan around entering the market as the "low cost carrier". There is no shortage of capital for business ideas like that.
I have a hard time buying the notion of universal collusion. Usually this only works if there is a virtually impassable barrier to entry. AFAIK the Canadian government has no such barriers.
Because right now, if we could say for certain that all these companies are overcharging and pocketing the difference, one of us could go to Canada, start our own competitor corporation charging a fair rate, and take a huge chunk of the market.
Remember, its not just the corporations that exist which tell you something, its the corporations which don't exist.
The higher corporate tax rate and heavy regulation of Canada is encouraging these companies to pass the added expenses on to the customer.
That or there is some form of protectionist tariff designed to protect domestic telecom hardware.
It can't be a question of the companies just overcharging, if they were someone could undercut everyone else and drive them out of business.
Its a different company than it was 10 years ago. This isn't just a matter of NOVL trying to tack on a few new side businesses, Linux is literally going to be the centerpiece of the new look NOVL.
That Netware is losing market share at this point is a meaningless argument. Novell has known this was going to happen for years, so they parlayed some of their cash into a new business direction.
What exactly happens if KISS is found in violation of the GPL? Does some government agency get to kick down their doors and take all their source code? Is there some sort of monetary damages, and if so, who would get them?
I recommend not killing people and get modded a fucking troll. This asshat starts talking about "the Japs" and nadda... nice.
I guess slaughtering scores of civilians is now the slashdot approved way of doing things?
Much like after someone jacks your car its not "your car".
"I think it's called anxiety. I get it alot when i'm away from my computer, I don't have that clickly click click of the keyboard"
You're not alone. I've absolutely GOT to have access to a computer, even if I don't actually use it, or I start to feel really nervous.
I'm at the point where if I'm going away for more than a few hours I take my Zaurus and a foldable IRDA keyboard with me. 99% of the time I don't even use it... just knowing that I could...
Super.
Just think how many lives NOT KILLING PEOPLE would save.
1. Most of the time they don't need a warrant anymore. Just some vague idea that something wrong might be going on.
2. The costs aren't being taken on their own shoulders, they're being paid for with money stolen from all of us, including the company and individuals concerned.
The United States government are hypocritical... that's an almost universal truth. It would've been better if they hadn't destroyed America's ability to compete on a global scale than to try to change the rules elsewhere now that its discovered they can't. An ounce of prevention is always better than a pound of cure. Right now I'm not sure anything short of a total devaluation of the US Dollar is going to rectify the situation.
Actually the proof that its not impossible is that they're finding such workers elsewhere.
You actually make a very good point, but this isn't a "Free Market", it only pretends to be.
The very existance of things like taxation and minimum wage laws have turned it into a "regulated market" at best, and a "Socialism in denial" at worst.
Maybe its that spending enormous amounts of money on degrees just isn't a wise investment anymore. Carly didn't ask us to go get that degree, so its not her responsibility to help us pay for it.
I hear you though... I spent 5 years getting two high tech degrees, and so far the best job it landed me was $8 an hour in a grocery store... and that went out of business a year ago.
Somewhere along the line two wrongs started making a right?