I would send him an email and tell him about it, but I don't think he's gonna be answering anything electronic for a little while.
No, this is not a joke. Yes, this is a real friend of mine. And yes, I am probably a rat bastard for posting this on here. However, he did some of this from *home*!
Jesus eppie, I thought you knew better than that!
I guess the reason I am posting this is for all those of you who think that "thrill hacking" for fun, and not doing any real damage, will just get you a slap on the wrist if you are caught. Bet thats what eppie thought.
Do you have ANY CLUE what was involved in the Big Dig? Do you?
We are talking about 6 LAYERS of infrastructure.
Entire new methods of working the ground were needed to complete parts of this project. Ground Freezing for stabilization, tunnel jacking. You name it.
I tell you what bud. I would be willing to bet that a private firm would tell you today that it might cost you 5 Billion *just* to deal with the public utilities layer of this job. Have you ever been below ground in a service conduit?
Imagine one that is 100 years old. Parts of it running underwater. 100 year old plumbing that must be re-routed without disrupting service.
50 year old eletrical lines that the wiring maps were lost AGES ago. Wanna deal with that?
40 Year old telcom/data conduits, Some private. Most redundant and replaced years ago, but still physically down there. What goes where? Who owns what? What needs replaced? Whats new? Where do we PUT it? Is there more behind that wall?
Is that unlabelled black cable *laying* on the ground an old bell trunk line? Or UUnets OC-256. (I have no clue if UUnets pipe is that size, or where it runs, so don't flame me, I am just throwing out an example. A Large percentage of that service level is undocumented, so you have no clue) Lets cut it and find out? Wanna place a bet?
Okay. You have it all figured out now? Took you what? 1 year, 2 maybe to find out who owns what, where it goes, and to deal with city hall and the lawyers and the paperwork.
Congratulations, You have just completed 100 Feet of this layer of the project. Only 13 miles to go, and 5 other layers to deal with.
Learn what was involved before you bitch about the price. Sure it was expensive, but it was needed. And in the long run, it will be worth it.
Actually, if I am not entirely mistaken, the line exists in both movies.
in Stripes, unless I am totally wrong here, It is when they are in the hangar, (or preparing to go to the hangar) for the all night cram before parade inspection in the morning.
It somewhat stands to reason, because both movies share many of the same cast members, and well, lets face it, they were just having a blast making it.
Thank you all for the rather informative replies. I had not taken into consideration the affects that the interference would have in areas that the power was NOT down in, in relation to how those areas would need to communicate with the emergency area.
Its been a long... LONG time since I have used my radios, but everything still works. Perhaps I will get back into the community.
Once again, thank you for the information, and, when applicable, the corrections.
Wasn't the original and best argument about this the fact that, *in most cases* when HAMS were in use for emergency communication, the power was already out?
Would this not *eliminate* said theoretical interference?
"I don't know about the FM radio part of it, but Cincinnati has the first (and only, so far) billboard I have seen that is a full billboard-sized color screen"
Ever drive past that puppy at night? I swear, if its after dark and I am heading south past Dana Ave, I grab my shades.
That thing is DANGEROUSLY bright at night. I would *think* (that would be dangerous in Cincinnati) that it would have some type of ambient light detection on it so that it dims itself, but if it does, its not working.
Its not quite as obnoxious as the one north of town, up around exit 50 on 71, by the roberts center, but its close.
No, it is correct. This was not even a trunk novel. It was quite simply, aborted. The world was not yet ready, and the writer was not yet accomplished enough to convey the ideals.
Now, it has come to see the light of day.
It was his first, I actually would assume he would not have wanted it published, but I will read it anyway.
While I agree with you in general, I think you are missing the biggest problem with the whole thing. Overall accountability and *some* comprehensible flow of flight status go/no go operations.
Until there is a complete overhaul of the red tape that is flight preparedness, it doesn't matter if you patch the holes in the existing shuttle or build a new one out of unobtanium.
It was clearly evident in the months following the Challenger, and in the *minutes* following the Columbia, that the left hand does not have the slightest *clue* what the right hand is doing.
Mission preparedness is no longer about what works and what doesn't. Its about what subcontractor is in what senators pocket that has the most to ride on whether a mission is delayed.
Morton Thiokol's engineers knew that those rings suffered from a serious loss of functionality at those temperatures, spoke up, and nothing was done.
Checks on the O rings do not make a damned bit of difference if the beaurocrat the safety engineer is reporting to is gagged by red tape.
The whole freaking *world* saw that foam hit the wing, and nothing was done. (That they are going to tell us about)
At this point in time I honestly believe that NASA could break a titanium ball bearing with a rubber mallet.
I used to believe in the dream that was manned space exploration. I loved that dream. However, NASA is not going to get us out of LEO. Not unless we get idiots out of the loop, and get some resposible people, (IE engineers, not lawyers) to make the calls on what goes and what does not.
Some of the equipment will *always* break when you are pushing the edge like we *want* NASA to do. Tragedies like the Columbia and the Challenger were not an example of those failures. They are examples of the flaws in the system, not the equipment.
Shadow
(And would you please answer your email you silly Paladin, It's only been 3 years since I have talked to you)
As a fellow Buckeye, I agree that relying on the kindness of strangers is a foolish idea.
I do, however, tend to be the one that stops to help out. For personal reasons. I trust my instincts though, I don't stop if something *feels* wrong, or if I have another passenger in the car. I'm perfectly willing to put my life on the line for what I think is the right thing to do, foolish as my mother might think it is, but not someone elses.
BTW. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the WINDCHILL was -15f, not the air temp, and there was freezing rain.
That is possible. What you stated, unless there have been atmosperic phenomina in Ohio I have never heard of, is not.
Agreed!
Especially ones with violence and rape against women, beastiality, murder by the score, bloodshed, incest, slavery, adultery, self mutilation, cannibalism.
Much like that nasty "Bible" thing they keep shoving down my daughters throat as a "required historical reading" at a public school.
She's 10.
Flame me if you want, but check out a few of These examples first.
"Instead it's a low-frequency roar that sounds like someone is ripping the sky apart."
Yeah, That actually states it pretty well.
I have been around jet engines my entire life. My Father, Mother, Stepfather, Uncle, all work for GE Aircraft Engines. So, naturally, we went to a few air shows now and then. I've been near the end of the runway for F16's launching in formation at Roy AFB in Utah, I've been near the end of the runway when the concorde came to cincinnati back in the late 80's. And I've experienced more than a few C5 Galaxy take-offs up at WPAFB.
Aside from being *very* close to a (I Think) KC-130 that was taking off on JATO's, the concorde is the loudest thing I have ever heard in the sky. A fully loaded C5 comes close, but the unearthly roar, followed by the scream of that concorde is one of those things I would assume is *really* cool the first time you hear it. An amusement for a day or two, then just downright annoying as hell.
Think of the first time you were sitting at a traffic light in front of someone with one of those "Boom-Boxes" shaped like a car.
Sure, it was neat, feeling a sympathetic harmonic resonation inside my vehicle that felt like I was inside a speaker. Neat, the FIRST time. After that I just wanted to get out of my car, and rip the stupid &@$@*ers head off.
That is how I assume people who lived near airports that serviced the Concorde felt/feel about such jets.
While I *do* know who Art is, and I will admit to listening occasionally, just for the entertainment value on long night drives, this makes me think of something else entirely.
Larry Niven
Specifically, it makes me think of Ringworld and The Ringworld Throne. I was not all that impressed with the book, but the concept of using magnetics to control a star as a huge gas laser was trippy.
Now, we have all these probes headed towards Mars, and we suddenly get the most active period of solar disturbances in recent history.
Some of these probes have apparently been damaged by the recent extreme solar flares.
If you read the book, the control center for the "sun" lasers was where? On the map of... MARS.
Slashdot Mirror
I don't specifically believe that part.
No one that knows eppie, that I have talked to so far, ever heard anything about that.
I'm not the tin foil hat type, but it just seems to me like a fast way to get him in a federal courthouse, and get the ball rolling from there.
(Making it much harder for him or his lawyer(s?) to work to his defense.)
To Jail this week.
Theres your big company hackers you disenchanted fool. A friend of mine too. Up the river for a good long time.
Wanna know where they went? They got smart and stopped doing this.
Unfortunantly, he is rather busy at the moment.
I would send him an email and tell him about it, but I don't think he's gonna be answering anything electronic for a little while.
No, this is not a joke. Yes, this is a real friend of mine. And yes, I am probably a rat bastard for posting this on here. However, he did some of this from *home*!
Jesus eppie, I thought you knew better than that!
I guess the reason I am posting this is for all those of you who think that "thrill hacking" for fun, and not doing any real damage, will just get you a slap on the wrist if you are caught. Bet thats what eppie thought.
Do you have ANY CLUE what was involved in the Big Dig? Do you?
We are talking about 6 LAYERS of infrastructure.
Entire new methods of working the ground were needed to complete parts of this project. Ground Freezing for stabilization, tunnel jacking. You name it.
I tell you what bud. I would be willing to bet that a private firm would tell you today that it might cost you 5 Billion *just* to deal with the public utilities layer of this job. Have you ever been below ground in a service conduit?
Imagine one that is 100 years old. Parts of it running underwater. 100 year old plumbing that must be re-routed without disrupting service.
50 year old eletrical lines that the wiring maps were lost AGES ago. Wanna deal with that?
40 Year old telcom/data conduits, Some private. Most redundant and replaced years ago, but still physically down there. What goes where? Who owns what? What needs replaced? Whats new? Where do we PUT it? Is there more behind that wall?
Is that unlabelled black cable *laying* on the ground an old bell trunk line? Or UUnets OC-256. (I have no clue if UUnets pipe is that size, or where it runs, so don't flame me, I am just throwing out an example. A Large percentage of that service level is undocumented, so you have no clue) Lets cut it and find out? Wanna place a bet?
Okay. You have it all figured out now? Took you what? 1 year, 2 maybe to find out who owns what, where it goes, and to deal with city hall and the lawyers and the paperwork.
Congratulations, You have just completed 100 Feet of this layer of the project. Only 13 miles to go, and 5 other layers to deal with.
Learn what was involved before you bitch about the price. Sure it was expensive, but it was needed. And in the long run, it will be worth it.
Actually, if I am not entirely mistaken, the line exists in both movies.
in Stripes, unless I am totally wrong here, It is when they are in the hangar, (or preparing to go to the hangar) for the all night cram before parade inspection in the morning.
It somewhat stands to reason, because both movies share many of the same cast members, and well, lets face it, they were just having a blast making it.
You, my friend, are uncultured swine, and would not know a good line from a great movie when it kicked you in the ass.
Clicky Clicky
Ahhh Yes . THC ..
The Hitler Channel.
If you can go three hours without a Hitler reference, you've done well...
I decided to wait until evening to reply.
Thank you all for the rather informative replies. I had not taken into consideration the affects that the interference would have in areas that the power was NOT down in, in relation to how those areas would need to communicate with the emergency area.
Its been a long... LONG time since I have used my radios, but everything still works. Perhaps I will get back into the community.
Once again, thank you for the information, and, when applicable, the corrections.
-WD8VWZ
Shadow
Wasn't the original and best argument about this the fact that, *in most cases* when HAMS were in use for emergency communication, the power was already out?
Would this not *eliminate* said theoretical interference?
I had to watch that twice just to make sure it was not a hallucination.
Why?
Thats it, just Why?
"I don't know about the FM radio part of it, but Cincinnati has the first (and only, so far) billboard I have seen that is a full billboard-sized color screen"
Ever drive past that puppy at night? I swear, if its after dark and I am heading south past Dana Ave, I grab my shades.
That thing is DANGEROUSLY bright at night. I would *think* (that would be dangerous in Cincinnati) that it would have some type of ambient light detection on it so that it dims itself, but if it does, its not working.
Its not quite as obnoxious as the one north of town, up around exit 50 on 71, by the roberts center, but its close.
Sure you can. Do what I did.
..
Boot
Use partition magic to convert from NTFS to fat32.
reboot to knoppix. Use FXsamba to transfer everything out
Install new drive.
knoppix again to move everything to new drive.
Boot.
partition magic back to NTFS.
Didn't lose a byte.
No, it is correct. This was not even a trunk novel. It was quite simply, aborted. The world was not yet ready, and the writer was not yet accomplished enough to convey the ideals.
Now, it has come to see the light of day.
It was his first, I actually would assume he would not have wanted it published, but I will read it anyway.
Todd,
While I agree with you in general, I think you are missing the biggest problem with the whole thing. Overall accountability and *some* comprehensible flow of flight status go/no go operations.
Until there is a complete overhaul of the red tape that is flight preparedness, it doesn't matter if you patch the holes in the existing shuttle or build a new one out of unobtanium.
It was clearly evident in the months following the Challenger, and in the *minutes* following the Columbia, that the left hand does not have the slightest *clue* what the right hand is doing.
Mission preparedness is no longer about what works and what doesn't. Its about what subcontractor is in what senators pocket that has the most to ride on whether a mission is delayed.
Morton Thiokol's engineers knew that those rings suffered from a serious loss of functionality at those temperatures, spoke up, and nothing was done.
Checks on the O rings do not make a damned bit of difference if the beaurocrat the safety engineer is reporting to is gagged by red tape.
The whole freaking *world* saw that foam hit the wing, and nothing was done. (That they are going to tell us about)
At this point in time I honestly believe that NASA could break a titanium ball bearing with a rubber mallet.
I used to believe in the dream that was manned space exploration. I loved that dream. However, NASA is not going to get us out of LEO. Not unless we get idiots out of the loop, and get some resposible people, (IE engineers, not lawyers) to make the calls on what goes and what does not.
Some of the equipment will *always* break when you are pushing the edge like we *want* NASA to do. Tragedies like the Columbia and the Challenger were not an example of those failures. They are examples of the flaws in the system, not the equipment.
Shadow
(And would you please answer your email you silly Paladin, It's only been 3 years since I have talked to you)
Best thing I have ever heard them called, (at least, in regards to smaller faster [usually japanese] motorcycles) was:
Darwinian Accelerators.
Still laugh at that one.
As a fellow Buckeye, I agree that relying on the kindness of strangers is a foolish idea.
I do, however, tend to be the one that stops to help out. For personal reasons. I trust my instincts though, I don't stop if something *feels* wrong, or if I have another passenger in the car. I'm perfectly willing to put my life on the line for what I think is the right thing to do, foolish as my mother might think it is, but not someone elses.
BTW. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the WINDCHILL was -15f, not the air temp, and there was freezing rain.
That is possible. What you stated, unless there have been atmosperic phenomina in Ohio I have never heard of, is not.
"Whatever the attitude of the McMurdo base personnel, they deserve better than Fosters!"
.. Or Maybe some VB. Anything but Fosters.
Agreed. XXXX
Why yes, I am an American.
Actually I'm pretty sure I could just use a modified tricorder to bypass the phase array inducers on the starboard BPS power coupling on deck 16.
Using that, if we diverted power from the warp core, we could emit a modified trans-linear tachyon pulse. That should shield us from the radiation.
Now I just need to get that tricorder hacking kit back from CleverNickName.
Ask any ferret breeder or vet in Oregon or Nevada.
You might be suprised.
(For those of you who do not know, IIRC, ferrets are still illegal in Cali)
Several years ago I read a rather intersting story on the Fugutive Ferret Underground in California.
Much like that nasty "Bible" thing they keep shoving down my daughters throat as a "required historical reading" at a public school.
She's 10.
Flame me if you want, but check out a few of These examples first.
"That's Dom/sub, you insensitive clod!"
You know, there were about 15 times in this story/response I have wanted to correct someone for capitalizing sub, and held my tongue.
Now that I can say something good about it.
Well done. (Feeling like I have been well trained for something, just not sure what *lol*)
Damn, My mod points expired yesterday.
Best, movie, ever!
"Am I really the only one who thinks that "Rubbermaid" sound a little... well... you know?"
No, you are not.
Best part of it is, I work st Home Depot now, and the "Rubbermaid Girls" (our product vendors) have this thing for wearing vinyl.
I think they know what we think, and are certainly using it to thier advantage.
No, I'm not kidding.
"Instead it's a low-frequency roar that sounds like someone is ripping the sky apart."
Yeah, That actually states it pretty well.
I have been around jet engines my entire life. My Father, Mother, Stepfather, Uncle, all work for GE Aircraft Engines. So, naturally, we went to a few air shows now and then. I've been near the end of the runway for F16's launching in formation at Roy AFB in Utah, I've been near the end of the runway when the concorde came to cincinnati back in the late 80's. And I've experienced more than a few C5 Galaxy take-offs up at WPAFB.
Aside from being *very* close to a (I Think) KC-130 that was taking off on JATO's, the concorde is the loudest thing I have ever heard in the sky. A fully loaded C5 comes close, but the unearthly roar, followed by the scream of that concorde is one of those things I would assume is *really* cool the first time you hear it. An amusement for a day or two, then just downright annoying as hell.
Think of the first time you were sitting at a traffic light in front of someone with one of those "Boom-Boxes" shaped like a car.
Sure, it was neat, feeling a sympathetic harmonic resonation inside my vehicle that felt like I was inside a speaker. Neat, the FIRST time. After that I just wanted to get out of my car, and rip the stupid &@$@*ers head off.
That is how I assume people who lived near airports that serviced the Concorde felt/feel about such jets.
While I *do* know who Art is, and I will admit to listening occasionally, just for the entertainment value on long night drives, this makes me think of something else entirely.
Larry Niven
Specifically, it makes me think of Ringworld and The Ringworld Throne. I was not all that impressed with the book, but the concept of using magnetics to control a star as a huge gas laser was trippy.
Now, we have all these probes headed towards Mars, and we suddenly get the most active period of solar disturbances in recent history.
Some of these probes have apparently been damaged by the recent extreme solar flares.
If you read the book, the control center for the "sun" lasers was where? On the map of... MARS.
Hmmmm.... *smiles* Just too cool.