If you're using the current version, I already told you it appears to have been fixed - or simply stopped because of some other change made. Which as I said means it's still there and needs to be fixed.
"Except all the people who used to be able to reproduce it could no longer do so with the later builds."
So I just happened to be the guy...right?
Please. Do a Google. Other people had this problem. Recently.
Firefox 3 Beta 5 Random Right Click Events (fortunately these guys have a solution - click and hold - and it's still happening in 3.0.3. If they're right about the cause, it's pretty a stupid bug.) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789980&page=2
And remember, I'm using the openSUSE build, not Ubuntu - which means it isn't the distro, it's Firefox.
Reproduce it reliably? Different setups? Please. Just do a right click at most ten times in a row, it kicked in. About every third right click. And my "setup" was: Firefox 3.0 was installed normally in openSUSE 10.3; and I had AdBlock, Download Helper, DownThemAll and ImageHost Grabber installed as extensions. Nothing terribly fancy that should have had anything to do with the right click function (although of course all the download extensions added their lines and menus to the right click menu - I would hope the right click handler does little more than call them!) Not to mention that I tested it with most of the extensions gone, and with a complete reinstall including complete deletion of my original profile. So it wasn't a corrupted profile, and very likely was not the extensions.
This wasn't rocket science. And it's on a par with the sort of bugs Firefox has been known for since pre-1.0.
What do you mean it "went away for you"? If you saw it in the betas, then it was a known bug. And since it is a SERIOUS bug, the release should have been held up until it was reproduced and fixed. There is simply no excuse for doing otherwise. If it "went away for you" that means they made a change which altered the bug - but didn't fix it, meaning they didn't KNOW why it occurred. You don't release a product where you do not KNOW why a bug was happening or whether it is fixed. That's simply bad policy.
They appear to have fixed it in the latest version. But that version proceeds to crash within minutes on half my usual Web sites - which means 3.0.1 or whatever the current version is not as stable as 2.0.0.17. That is NOT why I upgrade software - to get a worse experience.
And now they want to replace the entire JavaScript engine? How do you figure they're going to catch all THOSE bugs if they can't catch a simple right click bug?
Sorry - but Firefox has become as bad as IE 5. The only reason I still use it is that I like those download extensions. Otherwise I'd switch to Opera in a heartbeat (not that Opera is necessarily perfect, either, in terms of reliability - I've seen it crash too damn much at times.)
just based on this: "alpha version yet, but stable".
'Cause basically Firefox 3 is an alpha and unstable, based on my bad experiences with it. First they release the POS with a MAJOR bug - the right click menu randomly runs one of the selections on its own. How the HELL do you claim to do ANY QA when you release a "final" with that kind of easily found, major bug? Then I try the next point release and find it seems that bug is gone - but the browser crashes several times on several of my usual sites.
If and when Mozilla ever gets a QA department, I'll consider moving to Firefox 3. Until then, I have to rely on the (unstable) Firefox 2.0.0.17 - which I had to reinstall again yesterday to make it reasonably stable again after it was crashing every half hour.
Firefox - the "FOSS Project That Must Not Be Criticized" - which is about as bad as Internet Explorer 5 for reliability.
how Bill Gates and his "Foundation" (read: stock laundering scheme) are oh so concerned about the poor areas of the world - while the rip-off outfit that funded that Foundation steals the entire world blind.
with 4GB RAM machines with TB hard drives - and we're still worrying about "the number of characters".
Oh, please. Fucking nerds.
For the last forty years, we've been constrained by one pointless limitation after another, not to mention the complete inability of a PC to discern what is an identifier and what is command syntax if it has fucking SPACES in it.
Dr. Fiorella Terenzi is an Italian astrophysicist, author and musician who is best known for taking recordings of radio waves from galaxies and turning them into music. She received her doctorate from the University of Milan but is currently based in the United States.
Terenzi is known for her CD-ROM Invisible Universe which combines music and poetry with astronomy lessons, and for a sexually charged 1998 book about science entitled Heavenly Knowledge. She has also released a number of albums of her music.
She is known as an Apple Computer "AppleMaster", and has collaborated with the likes of Thomas Dolby, Timothy Leary, Herbie Hancock and Ornette Coleman.
When she isn't performing, she teaches astronomy at Pierce College in Los Angeles. As of 2006, she was teaching astronomy at Brevard Community College in Cocoa, FL.
"It was discovered using a device cooled to a temperature about 100 times colder than intergalactic space, following the application of the most powerful continuous magnetic field on Earth."
They should have that working by Tuesday. Intel and AMD no doubt already have patented the chip and are building the foundries.
This is an example of how the entire IT industry sucks rocks. This industry couldn't produce a reliable, cost-effective product if not doing so meant the world would explode.
Various tests by AV rankers have shown almost all the AV products on the market can't even come close to detecting spyware (as opposed to viruses and worms) - test rates were around sixty percent or lower, including the big names.
ClamAV's detection rate sucks rocks.
So of course some people try to prove it's REALLY not that bad by doing tests with selected malware, claiming that ClamAV detects more of the so-called "real" malware currently around than the other vendors.
Sorry. The whole point of ranking the AV's with tests is to determine who's better or worse. If we can't do that, the entire issue is up for grabs.
And ClamAV thus has no claim to being anything at all, just like the rest of them.
Neither does Comodo AV, which is completely free as well even for corporate use - but which hasn't been adequately tested or has done poorly when it was tested.
The bottom line is that the AV companies simply aren't doing their jobs because their products both fail to detect actual malware - especially targeted malware which is increasingly the problem - plus their products by cramming in firewall, anti-spam, anti-phishing, anti-spyware, yada, yada, makes them so bloated that people won't even run them once they see the impact on their PC's performance.
I've got 19 users running Kaspersky at one of my clients - at least four or five of them won't run it because they claim it slows their machines down. And that's with Kaspersky set to do ONLY on-access file scans and incoming e-mail scans - all the rest of the features are switched off! I've got another client running 20-odd copies of Kaspersky and most of them don't have that problem - probably because they're running desktops, not laptops, or they're not the sort of users who spend most of their day flipping from one application to the next, as some of my other clients are.
The real problem is that security was never designed into the computing environment, either at the Internet level, the OS level, or the application level. Bolting it on as an afterthought simply isn't working - and may never work. And since redesigning the entire computing environment isn't going to happen, we're stuck with it.
Basically, people need to get used to the fact that you're going to get "mugged" occasionally on your PC - just like you will if you repeatedly go into bad neighborhoods. Well, the Internet is a "bad neighborhood" and it's one that's never going to get better.
And as long as the educational system in this country can't turn out people who can think, the PC consumer is never going to be able to deal with the complexities of dealing with PCs AND PC security.
Game over. Go home and get drunk. This is just another case where there is no solution because you're dealing with humans - whose basic nature IS the ORIGINAL "security flaw".
Or as Rutger Hauer, playing a terrorist based on "Carlos the Jackal", used to say in the movie "Nighthawks": "Remember - there IS NO security."
I hung out with journalist John Keel (investigator of the "Mothman" phenomena on which the "Mothman Prophecies" movie with Richard Gere was based) back in the early '70's. Even at that time, he had figured out and convinced me that what was going on with UFOs was far more complex and intricate than mere "alien spacecraft". All the conventional explanations were clearly wrong. Yet, forty years after he began his investigations in the late '60's. most people still think the alternatives are either mundane phenomena or "aliens".
UFO research has not advanced intelligently in forty years - or sixty years if you count from the original 1947 disk sightings (which, by the way, were just another variant of related phenomena going back thousands of years.)
My own theory is simply that some protohuman species got smart before humans did, developed technology before humans did, and developed nanotechnology before humans even had any sort of civilization. This theory requires nothing but the realization that there were several protohuman species that existed before humans, and that nanotechnology would eventually lead to the ability to do what these phenomena appear to do. No "aliens" required. What you're looking at when you see a UFO is not an "alien spacecraft" but a Transhuman - or something a Transhuman conjured up for you to look at while it goes about its business.
until they fix the goddamn egregious bugs they allowed in.
First there was the right-click bug where Firefox would on every X right clicks simply select on its own a menu option to run. Somebody tell me how the hell you release a browser with ANY QA testing with that kind of bug still in it!
Last time I tried it on openSUSE it seemed the right click bug might be fixed but then the browser crashed within MINUTES of using it on my usual sites.
Now they want me to trust them with a complete change of JavaScript engine? You KNOW it's going to be bug-ridden as hell.
It is to laugh.
It looks like I won't be using Firefox 3.x until "x" is somewhere north of 4.
The first time I installed SBC DSL, I allowed the stupid Yahoo software on my machine, which at the time was running Windows 98. It crashed the entire OS, and I had to restore my Registry to get it back.
Fuck Yahoo and anyone stupid enough to use them. That applies to AOL and AOL users, and MSN and MSN users, too.
"The Instant On experience is different from "Full Windows" because it limits what activities you can do and what applications you can have access to"
Every time I boot "Full Windows" on a client's PC, once the desktop comes up I sit there for another thirty seconds to a minute depending on how much crap is loading in the background. So I'd say "Full Windows" limits what activities you can do - for a while at least.
My openSUSE Linux boots faster than Windows XP and has a usable desktop pretty much immediately, minus some slowness as the stuff in the system tray loads - no where near as bad as XP.
Windows is an unmitigated POS.
Moderate me as troll! You can't handle the truth! You're not good enough to beat me! Is that all you got, huh? Are you nuts? Come at me!
Don't use Microsoft, for God's sakes, or you'll never get your back emails out of it if you decide to move to another service.
Don't even use Gmail (except as a spam trap or for signing up to Web sites, like I do.)
Don't use crap in general.
Get a REAL email account - from your ISP or from your Web hosting provider - that you control, that has security, that is accessible by Web or email client. Then get a decent email client like Thunderbird. It's not rocket science.
The other night John Connor is swimming in the Pacific off Santa Monica Pier after jumping in to evade Terminator Cromartie, who proceeded to jump in after him and try to drown him. After escaping, John looks up and sees his protector Terminator Cameron (now subsequently referred to as "The Caminator") peering down at him.
I call bullshit. I had an old Compaq Deskpro 4000 I upgraded with an Evergreen CPU to 400MHz and I think 256MB of RAM and it doesn't reliably play videos. I can't believe anybody plays videos - real videos - on a 133MHz machine.
Microsoft writes some crap, bloated POS - and all the Microsoft shills come out of the woodwork to say, "Well, it's just beta, so you can't judge the final product."
The same arguments were used when Vista was in beta - and Vista proved to be just that, a bloated dog that half the industry wants to forget exists.
Stuff a sock in it. IE8 is going to be a bloated POS just like every other Microsoft product.
Once Transhumans take over, humans are history - and unless some aliens arrive from somewhere to find one of these things, or a new species of primate rises on this planet, nobody is going to need a "Rosetta Stone" here. Anybody who thinks that humans will exist ten thousand years from now - or even a thousand or even a couple hundred years from now - is seriously out of touch with technological reality.
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"I did just that. No bug."
If you're using the current version, I already told you it appears to have been fixed - or simply stopped because of some other change made. Which as I said means it's still there and needs to be fixed.
"Except all the people who used to be able to reproduce it could no longer do so with the later builds."
So I just happened to be the guy...right?
Please. Do a Google. Other people had this problem. Recently.
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-905385.html
Firefox 3 Beta 5 Random Right Click Events (fortunately these guys have a solution - click and hold - and it's still happening in 3.0.3. If they're right about the cause, it's pretty a stupid bug.)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789980&page=2
And remember, I'm using the openSUSE build, not Ubuntu - which means it isn't the distro, it's Firefox.
Reproduce it reliably? Different setups? Please. Just do a right click at most ten times in a row, it kicked in. About every third right click. And my "setup" was: Firefox 3.0 was installed normally in openSUSE 10.3; and I had AdBlock, Download Helper, DownThemAll and ImageHost Grabber installed as extensions. Nothing terribly fancy that should have had anything to do with the right click function (although of course all the download extensions added their lines and menus to the right click menu - I would hope the right click handler does little more than call them!) Not to mention that I tested it with most of the extensions gone, and with a complete reinstall including complete deletion of my original profile. So it wasn't a corrupted profile, and very likely was not the extensions.
This wasn't rocket science. And it's on a par with the sort of bugs Firefox has been known for since pre-1.0.
What do you mean it "went away for you"? If you saw it in the betas, then it was a known bug. And since it is a SERIOUS bug, the release should have been held up until it was reproduced and fixed. There is simply no excuse for doing otherwise. If it "went away for you" that means they made a change which altered the bug - but didn't fix it, meaning they didn't KNOW why it occurred. You don't release a product where you do not KNOW why a bug was happening or whether it is fixed. That's simply bad policy.
They appear to have fixed it in the latest version. But that version proceeds to crash within minutes on half my usual Web sites - which means 3.0.1 or whatever the current version is not as stable as 2.0.0.17. That is NOT why I upgrade software - to get a worse experience.
And now they want to replace the entire JavaScript engine? How do you figure they're going to catch all THOSE bugs if they can't catch a simple right click bug?
Sorry - but Firefox has become as bad as IE 5. The only reason I still use it is that I like those download extensions. Otherwise I'd switch to Opera in a heartbeat (not that Opera is necessarily perfect, either, in terms of reliability - I've seen it crash too damn much at times.)
just based on this: "alpha version yet, but stable".
'Cause basically Firefox 3 is an alpha and unstable, based on my bad experiences with it. First they release the POS with a MAJOR bug - the right click menu randomly runs one of the selections on its own. How the HELL do you claim to do ANY QA when you release a "final" with that kind of easily found, major bug? Then I try the next point release and find it seems that bug is gone - but the browser crashes several times on several of my usual sites.
If and when Mozilla ever gets a QA department, I'll consider moving to Firefox 3. Until then, I have to rely on the (unstable) Firefox 2.0.0.17 - which I had to reinstall again yesterday to make it reasonably stable again after it was crashing every half hour.
Firefox - the "FOSS Project That Must Not Be Criticized" - which is about as bad as Internet Explorer 5 for reliability.
how Bill Gates and his "Foundation" (read: stock laundering scheme) are oh so concerned about the poor areas of the world - while the rip-off outfit that funded that Foundation steals the entire world blind.
It's a joke.
That would be "kitsch".
calling a computer programmer a "software engineer" is like calling a crack whore a "courtesan".
There's no "engineering" involved for ninety nine percent of them.
with 4GB RAM machines with TB hard drives - and we're still worrying about "the number of characters".
Oh, please. Fucking nerds.
For the last forty years, we've been constrained by one pointless limitation after another, not to mention the complete inability of a PC to discern what is an identifier and what is command syntax if it has fucking SPACES in it.
Get your heads out of your asses.
And learn to type.
"Number of characters" - Jesus Baron von Christ!
I never forget Italian bombshells!
I still remember Monica Vitti, Gina Lollobrigida, Claudia Cardinale, and Sylva Koscina, not to mention the ultimate, Sophia Loren.
Nerds! No consciousness of sex!
From Wikipedia:
Dr. Fiorella Terenzi is an Italian astrophysicist, author and musician who is best known for taking recordings of radio waves from galaxies and turning them into music. She received her doctorate from the University of Milan but is currently based in the United States.
Terenzi is known for her CD-ROM Invisible Universe which combines music and poetry with astronomy lessons, and for a sexually charged 1998 book about science entitled Heavenly Knowledge. She has also released a number of albums of her music.
She is known as an Apple Computer "AppleMaster", and has collaborated with the likes of Thomas Dolby, Timothy Leary, Herbie Hancock and Ornette Coleman.
When she isn't performing, she teaches astronomy at Pierce College in Los Angeles. As of 2006, she was teaching astronomy at Brevard Community College in Cocoa, FL.
Home Page: http://www.fiorella.com/fiorprofile.htm
Videos: http://video.fiorella.com/
"It was discovered using a device cooled to a temperature about 100 times colder than intergalactic space, following the application of the most powerful continuous magnetic field on Earth."
They should have that working by Tuesday. Intel and AMD no doubt already have patented the chip and are building the foundries.
Right.
This is an example of how the entire IT industry sucks rocks. This industry couldn't produce a reliable, cost-effective product if not doing so meant the world would explode.
Various tests by AV rankers have shown almost all the AV products on the market can't even come close to detecting spyware (as opposed to viruses and worms) - test rates were around sixty percent or lower, including the big names.
ClamAV's detection rate sucks rocks.
So of course some people try to prove it's REALLY not that bad by doing tests with selected malware, claiming that ClamAV detects more of the so-called "real" malware currently around than the other vendors.
Sorry. The whole point of ranking the AV's with tests is to determine who's better or worse. If we can't do that, the entire issue is up for grabs.
And ClamAV thus has no claim to being anything at all, just like the rest of them.
Neither does Comodo AV, which is completely free as well even for corporate use - but which hasn't been adequately tested or has done poorly when it was tested.
The bottom line is that the AV companies simply aren't doing their jobs because their products both fail to detect actual malware - especially targeted malware which is increasingly the problem - plus their products by cramming in firewall, anti-spam, anti-phishing, anti-spyware, yada, yada, makes them so bloated that people won't even run them once they see the impact on their PC's performance.
I've got 19 users running Kaspersky at one of my clients - at least four or five of them won't run it because they claim it slows their machines down. And that's with Kaspersky set to do ONLY on-access file scans and incoming e-mail scans - all the rest of the features are switched off! I've got another client running 20-odd copies of Kaspersky and most of them don't have that problem - probably because they're running desktops, not laptops, or they're not the sort of users who spend most of their day flipping from one application to the next, as some of my other clients are.
The real problem is that security was never designed into the computing environment, either at the Internet level, the OS level, or the application level. Bolting it on as an afterthought simply isn't working - and may never work. And since redesigning the entire computing environment isn't going to happen, we're stuck with it.
Basically, people need to get used to the fact that you're going to get "mugged" occasionally on your PC - just like you will if you repeatedly go into bad neighborhoods. Well, the Internet is a "bad neighborhood" and it's one that's never going to get better.
And as long as the educational system in this country can't turn out people who can think, the PC consumer is never going to be able to deal with the complexities of dealing with PCs AND PC security.
Game over. Go home and get drunk. This is just another case where there is no solution because you're dealing with humans - whose basic nature IS the ORIGINAL "security flaw".
Or as Rutger Hauer, playing a terrorist based on "Carlos the Jackal", used to say in the movie "Nighthawks": "Remember - there IS NO security."
I hung out with journalist John Keel (investigator of the "Mothman" phenomena on which the "Mothman Prophecies" movie with Richard Gere was based) back in the early '70's. Even at that time, he had figured out and convinced me that what was going on with UFOs was far more complex and intricate than mere "alien spacecraft". All the conventional explanations were clearly wrong. Yet, forty years after he began his investigations in the late '60's. most people still think the alternatives are either mundane phenomena or "aliens".
UFO research has not advanced intelligently in forty years - or sixty years if you count from the original 1947 disk sightings (which, by the way, were just another variant of related phenomena going back thousands of years.)
My own theory is simply that some protohuman species got smart before humans did, developed technology before humans did, and developed nanotechnology before humans even had any sort of civilization. This theory requires nothing but the realization that there were several protohuman species that existed before humans, and that nanotechnology would eventually lead to the ability to do what these phenomena appear to do. No "aliens" required. What you're looking at when you see a UFO is not an "alien spacecraft" but a Transhuman - or something a Transhuman conjured up for you to look at while it goes about its business.
until they fix the goddamn egregious bugs they allowed in.
First there was the right-click bug where Firefox would on every X right clicks simply select on its own a menu option to run. Somebody tell me how the hell you release a browser with ANY QA testing with that kind of bug still in it!
Last time I tried it on openSUSE it seemed the right click bug might be fixed but then the browser crashed within MINUTES of using it on my usual sites.
Now they want me to trust them with a complete change of JavaScript engine? You KNOW it's going to be bug-ridden as hell.
It is to laugh.
It looks like I won't be using Firefox 3.x until "x" is somewhere north of 4.
Anybody who uses Yahoo deserves what they get.
The first time I installed SBC DSL, I allowed the stupid Yahoo software on my machine, which at the time was running Windows 98. It crashed the entire OS, and I had to restore my Registry to get it back.
Fuck Yahoo and anyone stupid enough to use them. That applies to AOL and AOL users, and MSN and MSN users, too.
"The Instant On experience is different from "Full Windows" because it limits what activities you can do and what applications you can have access to"
Every time I boot "Full Windows" on a client's PC, once the desktop comes up I sit there for another thirty seconds to a minute depending on how much crap is loading in the background. So I'd say "Full Windows" limits what activities you can do - for a while at least.
My openSUSE Linux boots faster than Windows XP and has a usable desktop pretty much immediately, minus some slowness as the stuff in the system tray loads - no where near as bad as XP.
Windows is an unmitigated POS.
Moderate me as troll! You can't handle the truth! You're not good enough to beat me! Is that all you got, huh? Are you nuts? Come at me!
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Oh, bwhahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!
Make it stop, I'm starting to hurt!
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
"Someone in a suit, for instance, would more likely be a visitor and not a potential shuttle rider."
So take your coat off if you want to penetrate the campus more easily...
"This was designed stupidly,' said Bruce Schneier"
It's an Adobe product. Saying it was designed stupidly is redundant.
Don't use Yahoo.
Don't use AOL.
Don't use Microsoft, for God's sakes, or you'll never get your back emails out of it if you decide to move to another service.
Don't even use Gmail (except as a spam trap or for signing up to Web sites, like I do.)
Don't use crap in general.
Get a REAL email account - from your ISP or from your Web hosting provider - that you control, that has security, that is accessible by Web or email client. Then get a decent email client like Thunderbird. It's not rocket science.
The other night John Connor is swimming in the Pacific off Santa Monica Pier after jumping in to evade Terminator Cromartie, who proceeded to jump in after him and try to drown him. After escaping, John looks up and sees his protector Terminator Cameron (now subsequently referred to as "The Caminator") peering down at him.
He says, "A little help?"
The Caminator says, "I can't swim."
He says, "I just figured that out."
You played VIDEOS under XP on a P1 133mhz?
I call bullshit. I had an old Compaq Deskpro 4000 I upgraded with an Evergreen CPU to 400MHz and I think 256MB of RAM and it doesn't reliably play videos. I can't believe anybody plays videos - real videos - on a 133MHz machine.
Cameron is a Terminator.
A HOT Terminator.
Microsoft writes some crap, bloated POS - and all the Microsoft shills come out of the woodwork to say, "Well, it's just beta, so you can't judge the final product."
The same arguments were used when Vista was in beta - and Vista proved to be just that, a bloated dog that half the industry wants to forget exists.
Stuff a sock in it. IE8 is going to be a bloated POS just like every other Microsoft product.
Microsoft does not sell software - it sells lies.
Right - like you know what you're talking about.
Once Transhumans take over, humans are history - and unless some aliens arrive from somewhere to find one of these things, or a new species of primate rises on this planet, nobody is going to need a "Rosetta Stone" here. Anybody who thinks that humans will exist ten thousand years from now - or even a thousand or even a couple hundred years from now - is seriously out of touch with technological reality.