Oh no, it takes an extra 500ms to establish a secure connection
It may take _that_ long on a sparc box, but stick some nice amd opterons in there and you'll never even notice. Seriously though, even on a private lan is stupid. SSH has replaced telnet for a reason. If that was one of my servers, I'd tell the guy to GFY.
10 years of convincing people that applets are "fast" has resulted in them realizing they really aren't so fast. So now instead of users having 10 seconds of a non-responsive grey page rendered by their browser, they get a 7 year old shitty animated icon laughing at them for making the shitty mistake of visiting the page.
It seems I've always had to have at least one or two "experimental" labeled drivers from the kernel. I don't mind. The simple fact is that they are mostly more reliable than the MS version. Consider when the IPW2100 first came out. In XP I couldn't get it to stay connected for more than an hour. Sometimes it would bluescreen, other times it wouldn't find a network at all.
With IPW2100, lock ups were occasional, and it didn't support WPA but I'll be goddamned if it wasn't more stable and faster than the XP equivilant.
It's almost as if the linux devs give a shit about the drivers they're writing, but the manufacturers don't...
The very act of rev'enging a driver requires a lot of patience, knowledge, experience and know how - arguably more than most hardware companies have.
Alternatively, you can use a good OS with a package management system that's worth two squirts of piss. That way, you're kept up to date on security vulnerabilities, dependencies are handled, you don't have to futz around with CPAN config, and you're move to the next version of the OS in 3 years is not a moving target.
You can also install your app on another server of the same os and be almost guarenteed of the same functionality, as opposed to installing the latest cpan module on a server you just configured, which is probably a newer version than the one you installed on your last server.
In another life I administered email. Recently, I was pulled off my duties as a developer for my company's NMS group for three months because they couldn't get a handle on their (very poorly designed) email systems. For 1/3rd my salary they could have hired a couple of college kids to do the job.
Whereas if the system had been designed properly in the first place, by say, someone who had years of experience and was well aware of how to build a system for scalability, performance, etc, you would have probably never had to fix it in the first place.
I can speak from experience on email systems. I recently converted a system which was the most utterly stupid configuration in the world (6 different subdomains, 6 different mx servers, 6 different drive arrays, 6 different points of failure, and so on) which was designed by some college student to a clustered netapp system over nfs. Now you can grow the servers sideways (just add more for nfs if your smtp/pop/imap load grows, add more disk if your space grows, etc) instead of setting up a 7th server for the 7th subdomain with a 7th drive array and 7th mx records and less arbitrary email addresses. To sum up, my *experience* helped me build that system, because I *know* what happens in the first scenario.
You understand that using CPAN on ubuntu defeats the purpose of having a package mangement system, right? For the love of Allah, at least use homemade packages.
At least one good reason why one hasn't been built is that one of the best attributes of linux/unix by far is that it is composed of small programs leveraged together that can is most cases provide enterprise ready configurations. In the case of exchange, everyone non-linuxish keeps begging for a clone, but this goes against everything linux because you're asking us to combine email + calendaring + shared calendaring + todo + shared todo + filtering + contacts + shared contacts + webmail. Imagine the behemoth that would be - oh, you already can - look at exchange.
All of these things are currently accomplished by the linux community, it's simply that none of these have been acceptably glued together yet. You can come really, really close, but only when using standarized mail clients like evolution.
Right now, postfix + dovecot + av/antispam + ldap + imp + evolution data server + evolution clients can do all of this, as well as make a very secure setup, but it's awfully tough to get someone to switch to evolution client on windows, especially when they've been using outlook for so long.
BS. I am using a default ubuntu install right now. I make a file called foo.deb
I then use nautilus to browse to it and double click on it. It opens "gdebi", a very nice simple package installer/deb reader GUI.
If I use a real deb, it gives me a nice button with a green checkmark labeled "Install Package". The first tab it gives me is the package description. The second tab is "details" listing the maintainers, version and size. The final tab gives a list of files installed.
Using ubuntu, I can pop in a USB disk/backup hard drive via usb and it immediately comes with up a nautilus window for browsing. Double clicking a tar/tar.gz archive brings up the archive manager and it's simipler to use than winzip because it doesn't have several prompts before anything can be done.
Can your grandma use XP, recieve a zip from you on a usb disk and drag the files to her desktop? Does she know how to get winzip? Install it? Configure it so it doesn't run it's own daemon and steal valuable memory? Click "I agree" every time it opens?
I used to run several hundred debian installs with cfengine. At the job I'm starting at in a few days, I will probably do the same. I left the old one partly because it was boring. With desktops, it could be almost as painless, though there will always be cases like the one you mentioned above.
In any case, my point was that you shouldn't trivialize XP to $150.
The problem with Cyrus, in your case, is that you chose CMU software. Like most other CMU software, it mostly follows standards and logic but likes to deviate in ways that are inexplicable at best, and absurd at worst.
That's the thing. A properly administered network? There's no such thing without a lot of constant work.
New patches, new patches gone bad. Installing thunderbird. Fixing corrupt registries. Removing the new virus that just came out. Rebooting your exchange server. Installing new service packs. And on, and on, and on, and on....
The COST for windows XP is far, far, far greater than $150.
Like it was a god-damned epiphany to realize that some people may not want a huge browser with terribly slow speed, wretched memory bugs and horrible rendering attached to dying company.
I bought a 360 wireless adapter the other day, for using it on a friends unprotected wireless network. I plugged it in via usb, attached it to the unit and powered it on. I was immediately connected and playing CoD3 before I knew it. Didn't even have to go to the dashboard...
IIRC, less than two miles out of the tunnel on the right side their is a diamond yellow sign depicting a truck on a bank (in a curve?) that could cause the trailer to flip. It's my fault I mentioned grade, I don't think it has anything to do with that. I'll try to have a friend get a pic the next time I'm through it because my bro who's a trucker and been through there a few times and can't remember it either.
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I rest my case, thanks for the followup.
It's linux. There are huge disclaimers everywhere about libability, amongst other things.
This is a tough concept for windows boys to grasp because they come from the world of "If it doesn't work we call MS/Dell/HP" etc.
Besides, is oracle liable for your data loss when you lose your oracle instance? MS when you lose your IIS website?
Oh no, it takes an extra 500ms to establish a secure connection
It may take _that_ long on a sparc box, but stick some nice amd opterons in there and you'll never even notice. Seriously though, even on a private lan is stupid. SSH has replaced telnet for a reason. If that was one of my servers, I'd tell the guy to GFY.
Whoopdy fucking do.
10 years of convincing people that applets are "fast" has resulted in them realizing they really aren't so fast. So now instead of users having 10 seconds of a non-responsive grey page rendered by their browser, they get a 7 year old shitty animated icon laughing at them for making the shitty mistake of visiting the page.
Retarded? Yes, though less retarded than our current system.
I suppose your GUIs are written with a tab separated text file backend, right? Do you recommend excel for a website's user management system as well?
And there are common accepted notions of which colors "match" or "go together".
Couldda fooled me...
You may find this interesting, then:
http://www.blacksocks.com/
It seems I've always had to have at least one or two "experimental" labeled drivers from the kernel. I don't mind. The simple fact is that they are mostly more reliable than the MS version. Consider when the IPW2100 first came out. In XP I couldn't get it to stay connected for more than an hour. Sometimes it would bluescreen, other times it wouldn't find a network at all.
With IPW2100, lock ups were occasional, and it didn't support WPA but I'll be goddamned if it wasn't more stable and faster than the XP equivilant.
It's almost as if the linux devs give a shit about the drivers they're writing, but the manufacturers don't...
The very act of rev'enging a driver requires a lot of patience, knowledge, experience and know how - arguably more than most hardware companies have.
We're still waiting for your kernel, since you apparently can do so much better. This is just peanuts to you, I suppose.
Alternatively, you can use a good OS with a package management system that's worth two squirts of piss. That way, you're kept up to date on security vulnerabilities, dependencies are handled, you don't have to futz around with CPAN config, and you're move to the next version of the OS in 3 years is not a moving target.
You can also install your app on another server of the same os and be almost guarenteed of the same functionality, as opposed to installing the latest cpan module on a server you just configured, which is probably a newer version than the one you installed on your last server.
In another life I administered email. Recently, I was pulled off my duties as a developer for my company's NMS group for three months because they couldn't get a handle on their (very poorly designed) email systems. For 1/3rd my salary they could have hired a couple of college kids to do the job.
Whereas if the system had been designed properly in the first place, by say, someone who had years of experience and was well aware of how to build a system for scalability, performance, etc, you would have probably never had to fix it in the first place.
I can speak from experience on email systems. I recently converted a system which was the most utterly stupid configuration in the world (6 different subdomains, 6 different mx servers, 6 different drive arrays, 6 different points of failure, and so on) which was designed by some college student to a clustered netapp system over nfs. Now you can grow the servers sideways (just add more for nfs if your smtp/pop/imap load grows, add more disk if your space grows, etc) instead of setting up a 7th server for the 7th subdomain with a 7th drive array and 7th mx records and less arbitrary email addresses. To sum up, my *experience* helped me build that system, because I *know* what happens in the first scenario.
You understand that using CPAN on ubuntu defeats the purpose of having a package mangement system, right? For the love of Allah, at least use homemade packages.
Your assertion is absurd. Do you have no understanding of the concept of "experience"?
This is with ubuntu dapper. If anything qualifies as being 2006, it's a product released on 06-2006.
Wrong.
At least one good reason why one hasn't been built is that one of the best attributes of linux/unix by far is that it is composed of small programs leveraged together that can is most cases provide enterprise ready configurations. In the case of exchange, everyone non-linuxish keeps begging for a clone, but this goes against everything linux because you're asking us to combine email + calendaring + shared calendaring + todo + shared todo + filtering + contacts + shared contacts + webmail. Imagine the behemoth that would be - oh, you already can - look at exchange.
All of these things are currently accomplished by the linux community, it's simply that none of these have been acceptably glued together yet. You can come really, really close, but only when using standarized mail clients like evolution.
Right now, postfix + dovecot + av/antispam + ldap + imp + evolution data server + evolution clients can do all of this, as well as make a very secure setup, but it's awfully tough to get someone to switch to evolution client on windows, especially when they've been using outlook for so long.
BS. I am using a default ubuntu install right now. I make a file called foo.deb
I then use nautilus to browse to it and double click on it. It opens "gdebi", a very nice simple package installer/deb reader GUI.
If I use a real deb, it gives me a nice button with a green checkmark labeled "Install Package". The first tab it gives me is the package description. The second tab is "details" listing the maintainers, version and size. The final tab gives a list of files installed.
Using ubuntu, I can pop in a USB disk/backup hard drive via usb and it immediately comes with up a nautilus window for browsing. Double clicking a tar/tar.gz archive brings up the archive manager and it's simipler to use than winzip because it doesn't have several prompts before anything can be done.
Can your grandma use XP, recieve a zip from you on a usb disk and drag the files to her desktop? Does she know how to get winzip? Install it? Configure it so it doesn't run it's own daemon and steal valuable memory? Click "I agree" every time it opens?
ubuntu sounds EASIER in this context.
I used to run several hundred debian installs with cfengine. At the job I'm starting at in a few days, I will probably do the same. I left the old one partly because it was boring. With desktops, it could be almost as painless, though there will always be cases like the one you mentioned above.
In any case, my point was that you shouldn't trivialize XP to $150.
The problem with Cyrus, in your case, is that you chose CMU software. Like most other CMU software, it mostly follows standards and logic but likes to deviate in ways that are inexplicable at best, and absurd at worst.
A properly administered network has minimal
That's the thing. A properly administered network? There's no such thing without a lot of constant work.
New patches, new patches gone bad. Installing thunderbird. Fixing corrupt registries. Removing the new virus that just came out. Rebooting your exchange server. Installing new service packs. And on, and on, and on, and on....
The COST for windows XP is far, far, far greater than $150.
Do you honestly believe that any of that is ever going to end? Take a look at human behavior, sometime, and consider your words.
And when you start to learn more about general relativity, you realize it's not so boring anymore.
Like it was a god-damned epiphany to realize that some people may not want a huge browser with terribly slow speed, wretched memory bugs and horrible rendering attached to dying company.
I bought a 360 wireless adapter the other day, for using it on a friends unprotected wireless network. I plugged it in via usb, attached it to the unit and powered it on. I was immediately connected and playing CoD3 before I knew it. Didn't even have to go to the dashboard...
No - though that one's a good one too:)
IIRC, less than two miles out of the tunnel on the right side their is a diamond yellow sign depicting a truck on a bank (in a curve?) that could cause the trailer to flip. It's my fault I mentioned grade, I don't think it has anything to do with that. I'll try to have a friend get a pic the next time I'm through it because my bro who's a trucker and been through there a few times and can't remember it either.