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Damn, seems to me that you're just licking the friggin koolaid of Jobs' dick.
The linux box, assuming the kernel was compiled correctly, which it is on most distros, will support hot usb plugging AND fat32 out of the (box). Mount it, and write to it. What do you mean mkfs? I thought you just said it was FAT32? Do you want to mount or format the disk?
Hell I can plug a microsoft mouse into linux and it picks it up instantly. Windows wants to install a HID driver for it...
I give up. Apparently, you don't think your words had anything to do with whining, screaming, bitching and pouting, though I don't think you've looked at them lately.
So let us lay this out: Asking if a law exists to prevent people (who do not know everything) from trying to help others, correcting a spelling mistake by shouting in caps, correcting my chosen word followed by ridiculing, followed again by correcting my mischosen word.
Perhaps a little name calling and some shouting is normally how you correct others, maybe you've always corrected people using that method?
Damn, I hope that's not what you do to your kids.
With my post:
(A) I was able to get the point across. (B) I was able to a "Thanks" from the original poster.
You managed to:
(A) Get your point across. (B) (Perhaps unintentionally?) offend someone. (C) Get a whimsical laugh at the "irony".
Yeah, forgive me for trying to correct a guys usage of a word. Maybe I should have screamed, bitched, whined and pouted like you? Perhaps it's more effective?
Not be be a whiny grammer troll, but it's "lose". You wrote "loose" twice, so I assume it wasn't a casual mistake. You also wrote an otherwise complete an accurate paragraph, so I assume the correction is not something you'll dismiss...
I find that 3/4 of the time i 'fix' a problem whether my computer or not, i dont know exactly how i fixed it nor how to prevent it. Heck 1/3 of the time turning it off and on solves it, hardly brain busting problem solving. Dude, I hear sun is hiring. At least you can fix stuff...
Why does he get a -1 for being a Libertarian? It seems to me that if this guys ideals were any kind of compass, the DCMA wouldn't have MADE ANYTHING ILLEGAL, because the government would stay the hell out of it. Unless, of course, it was influenced by special interest groups...whoa!
Seems to me that this specific situation has no "Republican", "Democrat" or "Libertarian" fix. Forgive me for the gross use of those labels. I find it repulisive that people would so much as consider that the opinions of 300 Million people could be similtaneosly aggregated in to 2 or even 3 kinds of thought.
Roughly, I picture it as something akin to having another mail server in a different state. It's redundant. For some reason, I've always had a strong urge to want to live a long time, and have my kids live a long time. Some people lack this feeling, which disturbs me. It does make me question whether some people just supress it, or if they just don't naturally have it. It's amazing how easy it is to get flamed for considering this idea. I wonder how the explorers in our history were able to surmount the pessimism of people.
Anyway, it's not so much Mars/Venus/Moon. I mean, do you really thing we shouldn't try because it's hard?
Dude, there isn't enough money for a 'Plan A'. There's a significant difference between accepting the reality of a potentially grim situation and 'pouting', as you so inadequately put it.
I never said there was enough money for Plan A. I never even implied it, I agree we'll never have enough money for it. Nope, No, and aboslutely no difference. You're scared. You'd rather take the easy way out and just see if we can ride it through. I'm proposing you that you can, but I, along with several (possibly hundreds of) thousands of people move on with our existence. Keep the fucking pope, we don't want him.
Thanks, can I have your money? Yeah, take it all. Be warned, I live in the U.S.A., it's likely I'm running the normal rate race and my debts are more than my assets.
You would have just squandered... Get personal if you want,/. woudln't be/. if people actually realized that opinions can differ without taking it personally. At any rate, I don't watch Star Trek, and I'm more than capable providing sexual gratification without aids.
You naive sap... Re-read that man. Seriously. My blurb said exactly what yours did. He's bored sick of watching it because it's all caused by religion, the same as it has always been.
Therein lies the reason why you chimed in with your two cents...
Actually, it wasn't, but nice try. My reason was different than that, but take your time and you might find it. More to the point: Yes, they did come at high cost. Some of these were important things, like leaving the queen behind. Like fighting off taxation without representation. Like fighting off facist regimes. Perhaps even fighting back against ruthless cartels. However, the chances are even better that most of your and my ancestors that died fighting, died fighting for one thing:
#1. Religion.
Hell, I just want you to *die*. Good luck with that.
PETER Ah, no. No. You don't understand. It's, uh, very complicated. It's, uh, it's, it's aggregate so I'm talking about fractions of a cent that, uh, over time, they add up to a lot.
JOANNA Ok. So you're gonna make a lot of money, right?
PETER Yeah.
JOANNA Ok. That's not yours?
PETER Well, it, it becomes ours.
JOANNA How's that not stealing?
PETER I don't think, I don't think I'm explaining this very well. Um, this Seven Eleven, right? If you take a penny from the tray -
JOANNA From the crippled children?!
PETER No, that's the tray. I'm talking about the tray. The penny's for everybody.
JOANNA Oh, for everybody. Ok.
PETER Yeah, well, those are whole pennies.
JOANNA Yeah.
PETER Right. I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here, but we do it from a much bigger tray. A couple of million times. So what's wrong with that?
You failed to see the rest of his point, or at least you failed to acknowledge it: Meanwhile we're hell-bent on destroying a perfectly viable planet with our own home-grown stupidity - at the rate we are going we'll eventually finish the job whether or not an asteroid beats us to the punch is just a matter of timing. We can fix this place up, but what's gonna happen when the one comes that we divert? What happens with global warming is killing us? What happens when we get into a nuclear war? What happens when earth starts naturally changing it's weather pattern to something that threatens or survival? So what if we can protect ourselves from one thing? FFS man, can't you see we *NEED* to invest time into getting out of here so our species can survive. So what if we fail 10,000 times, at least we're trying!
P.S. You only mentioned being fine with billions of people dieing, so your post should not go negative. If, however, you dissed OSX, you'd be troll in no time.
Sooooo, essentially what you're saying is that you're hoping that upwards of hundreds of thousands of people are needlessly squashed by this rock so that we can finally make progress towards living on Mars? Idiot.
I'm an idiot too.
Even with the ability to terraform...
It's gonna take just as much work and time to figure out how to divert this doom as it is to figure out how to inhabit other planets. I don't understand why you call this guy and idiot for wanting some to get the hell off this planet, all while he's thinking about ensuring the persistence of the human race. Instead, your comfortable with sitting back and saying "Ahh, they'll deflect it.". I doubt you ever considered what would happen if they couldn't figure out how to deflect it. What's wrong with a plan B?
Sure we still blow up people with the shuttles, but these are FIRST generation crafts. They're no different than say the first generation ocean fairing vessels. They share many similarities with the first vehicles. Hell, they even share similiarties with mankind moving to a different continent. Speaking of which, you'd probably be the tribe member that pouted and said "I'm staying here because we don't know if there is water where you are going", while the rest of your tribe moved on to find the other continents and migrate to better areas.
Fine, stay here if you want. He's probably bored sick of watching popes die and Iraqis fight and south americans starve and all the other boogeymen we serve to ourselves. He wants to move on. He realizes there will never be a society where sickness doesn't exist, where greed doesn't rear its ugly head, and where everyone is equal.
Personally, I want to get the fuck outta here too. You know why? Because I don't want to die for Bush's (or even YOURS!) oil. I don't want to die because the Iraq is sick of Isreal and finally blows it up with a massive nuke. I don't want die because some religous fundamentalist blows up an abortion clinic with a powerful bomb that my house is near.
I don't want to die for the sake of religion. Perhaps us inhabiting other worlds will someday create different planets that are diverse. And maybe, JUST MAYBE, one of those planets will not be (run|controlled|influenced by) religion. That, sir, I feel, will prove to be one of the best cultures we could ever foster.
Honestly, I'd die on a shuttle in a heartbeat, but if you wanted me to die for your oil, I'd kick you in the balls.
He was talking about debian. Debian 3.0 (Woody) came with 2.4.18. GGP wanted to know which kernel comes with the new (r5) for Woody. GP replied that kernel versions are not changed for a maintenance release (Which is true - some things are backported, but the API and a significant portion of the code stays at 2.4.18). You've mistaken this debian thread for a SuSE thread.
I don't think it's reasonable to just randomly assign numbers to justify that this is not a bandaid.
At the end of the day, Server Y still costs more than Server X, be it in Man hours, Maintenance Contracts, downtime, or what have you.
If I need 30 Administrators for 100 Sun Solaris Machines, and 5 for 100 Debian Linux Machines and the applications with all other variables being the same (That might be a long shot, but we're being pretty general here.), fuck yeah I'll drop solaris in a heartbeat.
If you're just trying to point out that rebooting shouldn't be such a big deal, I catch your drift, but there are other issues here, Namely:
#1. What are the ramifications of applying the patch? What applications do they break? #2. Is my server even going to come back up? #3. Why should I have to apply a patch for the "base install" tftp daemon that gives remote root anyway? Why did solaris install this? Wouldn't it be better to leave this to the aptly named "system administrator"? #4. Though the chances of it happening are small, what if my Server A fails during Server B's update/reboot(With all the patching, I have a lot more downtime on the Server A and B...)? Sun is just going to sell me 4 more? Sounds like they're fixing fundamental system issues with bandaids like "multiple servers" and "redundancy".
It's not really a non-issue, quite the opposite.
And what about time? As a system administrator I firmly believe I don't need to spend a majority of my time considering reboots, and I have the ability to do that with systems like debian. Overall: More software per server=More Security vulnerabilites=Reboots=More Time Invested=Lopsided TCO equation.
That's just in my company, I understand this doesn't apply everywhere, and debian isn't always the right tool for the job.
Oh! You mean after we've spent 2 hours installing solairs (8|9), and 6 hours installing patches, and 2 hours using ndd to get the network card to work, you've got to install a 3rd cd too!?!?
These times are for Dual 280rs w/raid 5. I can't even begin to talk about how long it takes on a netra.
I've recently started running solaris again, and I now notice there are at least 2-5 recommended/critical patches a WEEK for my system, most requiring reboots. My redhat servers had 2 curl (non-reboot related) vulnerabilites last week, and a couple other ones about 4 weeks ago that didn't require a reboot either. Debian security updates are less often (As in, the packages are stable and vulnerability free for a very long time).
Debian takes ~8 minutes to install, 10 to update, gcc and bash are installed by default, and the backspace works.
Solaris (8|9) is a joke, no matter how much work you put in your companion cd, I'm sorry, it just sucks. I remember a few times where I got 600+ days of uptime off solaris, but you need balls of steel when you ignore security updates that long. Solaris 10 may be different, I haven't tried. I'm waiting for my ulcer to get better.
Sorry for the rant, don't take it personally.
p.s. Thanks for jumpstart (and snoop!). p.p.s. Give up on java.
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Damn, seems to me that you're just licking the friggin koolaid of Jobs' dick.
I disagree.
The linux box, assuming the kernel was compiled correctly, which it is on most distros, will support hot usb plugging AND fat32 out of the (box).
Mount it, and write to it.
What do you mean mkfs? I thought you just said it was FAT32? Do you want to mount or format the disk?
Hell I can plug a microsoft mouse into linux and it picks it up instantly.
Windows wants to install a HID driver for it...
I give up. Apparently, you don't think your words had anything to do with whining, screaming, bitching and pouting, though I don't think you've looked at them lately.
So let us lay this out: Asking if a law exists to prevent people (who do not know everything) from trying to help others, correcting a spelling mistake by shouting in caps, correcting my chosen word followed by ridiculing, followed again by correcting my mischosen word.
Perhaps a little name calling and some shouting is normally how you correct others, maybe you've always corrected people using that method?
Damn, I hope that's not what you do to your kids.
With my post:
(A) I was able to get the point across.
(B) I was able to a "Thanks" from the original poster.
You managed to:
(A) Get your point across.
(B) (Perhaps unintentionally?) offend someone.
(C) Get a whimsical laugh at the "irony".
You do the math.
Yeah, forgive me for trying to correct a guys usage of a word.
Maybe I should have screamed, bitched, whined and pouted like you? Perhaps it's more effective?
Not be be a whiny grammer troll, but it's "lose".
You wrote "loose" twice, so I assume it wasn't a casual mistake.
You also wrote an otherwise complete an accurate paragraph, so I assume the correction is not something you'll dismiss...
I find that 3/4 of the time i 'fix' a problem whether my computer or not, i dont know exactly how i fixed it nor how to prevent it. Heck 1/3 of the time turning it off and on solves it, hardly brain busting problem solving.
Dude, I hear sun is hiring. At least you can fix stuff...
I pretty much failed a year for MUDs too, however:
Pre-MUD typing speed: circa 20wpm.
Post-MUD typing speed: circa 90-100wpm, depending on content.
So I guess that's my lemonade:)
Oh, shit, Steve said it. It _MUST_ be true then.
I'dda though Sun woulda put a good fight.
Why does he get a -1 for being a Libertarian?
It seems to me that if this guys ideals were any kind of compass, the DCMA wouldn't have MADE ANYTHING ILLEGAL, because the government would stay the hell out of it.
Unless, of course, it was influenced by special interest groups...whoa!
Seems to me that this specific situation has no "Republican", "Democrat" or "Libertarian" fix. Forgive me for the gross use of those labels. I find it repulisive that people would so much as consider that the opinions of 300 Million people could be similtaneosly aggregated in to 2 or even 3 kinds of thought.
Damn man, good job. That's the first non-condescending "you're wrong" post, I've seen in a while.
Roughly, I picture it as something akin to having another mail server in a different state.
It's redundant.
For some reason, I've always had a strong urge to want to live a long time, and have my kids live a long time. Some people lack this feeling, which disturbs me. It does make me question whether some people just supress it, or if they just
don't naturally have it.
It's amazing how easy it is to get flamed for considering this idea.
I wonder how the explorers in our history were able to surmount the pessimism of people.
Anyway, it's not so much Mars/Venus/Moon. I mean, do you really thing we shouldn't try because it's hard?
Dude, there isn't enough money for a 'Plan A'. There's a significant difference between accepting the reality of a potentially grim situation and 'pouting', as you so inadequately put it.
/. woudln't be /. if people actually realized that opinions can differ without taking it personally. At any rate, I don't watch Star Trek, and I'm more than capable providing sexual gratification without aids.
I never said there was enough money for Plan A. I never even implied it, I agree we'll never have enough money for it. Nope, No, and aboslutely no difference. You're scared. You'd rather take the easy way out and just see if we can ride it through. I'm proposing you that you can, but I, along with several (possibly hundreds of) thousands of people move on with our existence. Keep the fucking pope, we don't want him.
Thanks, can I have your money?
Yeah, take it all. Be warned, I live in the U.S.A., it's likely I'm running the normal rate race and my debts are more than my assets.
You would have just squandered...
Get personal if you want,
You naive sap...
Re-read that man. Seriously. My blurb said exactly what yours did. He's bored sick of watching it because it's all caused by religion, the same as it has always been.
Therein lies the reason why you chimed in with your two cents...
Actually, it wasn't, but nice try. My reason was different than that, but take your time and you might find it. More to the point: Yes, they did come at high cost. Some of these were important things, like leaving the queen behind. Like fighting off taxation without representation. Like fighting off facist regimes. Perhaps even fighting back against ruthless cartels. However, the chances are even better that most of your and my ancestors that died fighting, died fighting for one thing:
#1. Religion.
Hell, I just want you to *die*.
Good luck with that.
They wear black suits????
You mean all this time I've been paranoid of casually dressed people for no reason?!?!
PETER
Ah, no. No. You don't understand. It's, uh, very complicated. It's, uh,
it's, it's aggregate so I'm talking about fractions of a cent that, uh,
over time, they add up to a lot.
JOANNA
Ok. So you're gonna make a lot of money, right?
PETER
Yeah.
JOANNA
Ok. That's not yours?
PETER
Well, it, it becomes ours.
JOANNA
How's that not stealing?
PETER
I don't think, I don't think I'm explaining this very well. Um, this
Seven Eleven, right? If you take a penny from the tray -
JOANNA
From the crippled children?!
PETER
No, that's the tray. I'm talking about the tray. The penny's for
everybody.
JOANNA
Oh, for everybody. Ok.
PETER
Yeah, well, those are whole pennies.
JOANNA
Yeah.
PETER
Right. I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here, but we do it
from a much bigger tray. A couple of million times. So what's wrong
with that?
JOANNA
It seems wrong.
You failed to see the rest of his point, or at least you failed to acknowledge it:
Meanwhile we're hell-bent on destroying a perfectly viable planet with our own home-grown stupidity - at the rate we are going we'll eventually finish the job whether or not an asteroid beats us to the punch is just a matter of timing.
We can fix this place up, but what's gonna happen when the one comes that we divert?
What happens with global warming is killing us?
What happens when we get into a nuclear war?
What happens when earth starts naturally changing it's weather pattern to something that threatens or survival?
So what if we can protect ourselves from one thing? FFS man, can't you see we *NEED* to invest time into getting out of here so our species can survive. So what if we fail 10,000 times, at least we're trying!
Thanks.
I agree 100% with what you just said.
P.S. You only mentioned being fine with billions of people dieing, so your post should not go negative. If, however, you dissed OSX, you'd be troll in no time.
Sooooo, essentially what you're saying is that you're hoping that upwards of hundreds of thousands of people are needlessly squashed by this rock so that we can finally make progress towards living on Mars? Idiot.
I'm an idiot too.
Even with the ability to terraform...
It's gonna take just as much work and time to figure out how to divert this doom as it is to figure out how to inhabit other planets. I don't understand why you call this guy and idiot for wanting some to get the hell off this planet, all while he's thinking about ensuring the persistence of the human race. Instead, your comfortable with sitting back and saying "Ahh, they'll deflect it.".
I doubt you ever considered what would happen if they couldn't figure out how to deflect it. What's wrong with a plan B?
Sure we still blow up people with the shuttles, but these are FIRST generation crafts. They're no different than say the first generation ocean fairing vessels. They share many similarities with the first vehicles. Hell, they even share similiarties with mankind moving to a different continent. Speaking of which, you'd probably be the tribe member that pouted and said "I'm staying here because we don't know if there is water where you are going", while the rest of your tribe moved on to find the other continents and migrate to better areas.
Fine, stay here if you want. He's probably bored sick of watching popes die and Iraqis fight and south americans starve and all the other boogeymen we serve to ourselves. He wants to move on. He realizes there will never be a society where sickness doesn't exist, where greed doesn't rear its ugly head, and where everyone is equal.
Personally, I want to get the fuck outta here too. You know why? Because I don't want to die for Bush's (or even YOURS!) oil.
I don't want to die because the Iraq is sick of Isreal and finally blows it up with a massive nuke.
I don't want die because some religous fundamentalist blows up an abortion clinic with a powerful bomb that my house is near.
I don't want to die for the sake of religion. Perhaps us inhabiting other worlds will someday create different planets that are diverse. And maybe, JUST MAYBE, one of those planets will not be (run|controlled|influenced by) religion. That, sir, I feel, will prove to be one of the best cultures we could ever foster.
Honestly, I'd die on a shuttle in a heartbeat, but if you wanted me to die for your oil, I'd kick you in the balls.
Hope that came out right...
He was talking about debian.
Debian 3.0 (Woody) came with 2.4.18.
GGP wanted to know which kernel comes with the new (r5) for Woody. GP replied that kernel versions are not changed for a maintenance release (Which is true - some things are backported, but the API and a significant portion of the code stays at 2.4.18).
You've mistaken this debian thread for a SuSE thread.
HTH
I don't think it's reasonable to just randomly assign numbers to justify that this is not a bandaid.
At the end of the day, Server Y still costs more than Server X, be it in Man hours, Maintenance Contracts, downtime, or what have you.
If I need 30 Administrators for 100 Sun Solaris Machines, and 5 for 100 Debian Linux Machines and the applications with all other variables being the same (That might be a long shot, but we're being pretty general here.), fuck yeah I'll drop solaris in a heartbeat.
You have to change the law. Fix it in congress, thus treating the problem, not the symptom.
Congress? You mean that other entity that systematically exploits American people to keep elites in business?
If you're just trying to point out that rebooting shouldn't be such a big deal, I catch your drift, but there are other issues here, Namely:
#1. What are the ramifications of applying the patch? What applications do they break?
#2. Is my server even going to come back up?
#3. Why should I have to apply a patch for the "base install" tftp daemon that gives remote root anyway? Why did solaris install this? Wouldn't it be better to leave this to the aptly named "system administrator"?
#4. Though the chances of it happening are small, what if my Server A fails during Server B's update/reboot(With all the patching, I have a lot more downtime on the Server A and B...)? Sun is just going to sell me 4 more? Sounds like they're fixing fundamental system issues with bandaids like "multiple servers" and "redundancy".
It's not really a non-issue, quite the opposite.
And what about time? As a system administrator I firmly believe I don't need to spend a majority of my time considering reboots, and I have the ability to do that with systems like debian.
Overall: More software per server=More Security vulnerabilites=Reboots=More Time Invested=Lopsided TCO equation.
That's just in my company, I understand this doesn't apply everywhere, and debian isn't always the right tool for the job.
Oh! You mean after we've spent 2 hours installing solairs (8|9), and 6 hours installing patches, and 2 hours using ndd to get the network card to work, you've got to install a 3rd cd too!?!?
These times are for Dual 280rs w/raid 5. I can't even begin to talk about how long it takes on a netra.
I've recently started running solaris again, and I now notice there are at least 2-5 recommended/critical patches a WEEK for my system, most requiring reboots. My redhat servers had 2 curl (non-reboot related) vulnerabilites last week, and a couple other ones about 4 weeks ago that didn't require a reboot either. Debian security updates are less often (As in, the packages are stable and vulnerability free for a very long time).
Debian takes ~8 minutes to install, 10 to update, gcc and bash are installed by default, and the backspace works.
Solaris (8|9) is a joke, no matter how much work you put in your companion cd, I'm sorry, it just sucks. I remember a few times where I got 600+ days of uptime off solaris, but you need balls of steel when you ignore security updates that long.
Solaris 10 may be different, I haven't tried. I'm waiting for my ulcer to get better.
Sorry for the rant, don't take it personally.
p.s. Thanks for jumpstart (and snoop!).
p.p.s. Give up on java.
I rarely find it useful, especially dir and executable colors, but I will tell you what has saved my ass once or twice:
The big bold red color that tells me a symlink is broken.
Outside of that one use, I cannot name a another time when I have thanked the color granting shell overlords.
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