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linuxbeta writes "With the recent SUSE LINUX 9.3 Live DVD ISO released, we get a sneak peek. (screenshots) of this much anticipated OS update. Cool updates in 9.3 includes Firefox 1.0, OpenOffice.org 2.0, Gimp 2.2, Beagle. Xen, VoIP client, and more." And while Debian's Sarge isn't here yet (give Branden Robinson a chance to find his plush new office!), wrochal points out that the fifth update to Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 ("Woody" ) has arrived. 3.0 (r5) "mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems." Also, four packages were removed, three for license violations.
It's "peek", not "peak", ffs.
Well there was a mountain-load of screen shots.
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It was too sexy.
Has anyone else seriously considered sexual reassignment surgery. As a fellow pre-op transexual, I would like to hear your thoughts.
This strategy will not "draw" in the crowds - most people give up before tinkering with the system. It has to work smoothly right out of the install (mostly).
I generally think Suse is one of the most polished distros out there, but it still has a way to go with multimedia, to get it to appeal to joe-computer user and Grandma who are scared of "breaking" things on the computer.
Linux is on the cusp from going from "hacker" OS to main-stream, but still has some catching up to Windows in certain things - mainly multimedia. Yes I know there are plenty of programs that work great - but the average user, I think, would not have the expertise to get it to work easily right off the DVD.
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OpenOffice 2.0????? Isn't it in beta still?
I didn't know KDE could look so clan and smooth
There are est. 20 new packages each week inserted into testing("sarge").
this is a maintenance release.
unfortunatly.
I didn't know KDE could look so clan and smooth
Okay, I know "clan" must be a typo for "klan" but either way, what does that mean?
learn about debian and be quiet.
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic here seeing as OO.org is/was recently in beta, and the GIMP 2.2 isn't even classed as 'stable' in Gentoo yet. SUSE are known to be version number chasers. They've been doing it for a while, and if they're not careful it could bite them in the ass.
Direct link to ISO file on Slashdot main site. Let the slashdotting begin!
OO.o at least is officially on 1.1.14; 2.0 is merely a beta. Gimp 2.2 is not that old, but yes, I'd expect 2.4, at least. I've immensely surprised about Firefox, though - very strange indeed, especially as nearly all of the updates since 1.0 have been security based, rather than adding new and unstable features.
I am not a current debian user, but how do you tell which kernel verion corresponds to this release?
You're on crack, right? You actually bought Codeweavers to run MPlayer ? The project that bills itself as "The video player for Linux"?
So what was too difficult?
1. Googling for the MPlayer RPM?
2. Using apt to install it (apt-get install
MPlayer)
3. Untarring it and installing it the old fashioned
way.
Or.... buying Codeweavers to run a Windows port of a Linux app on Linux.
Let me help you. Install apt and apt-libs. Run apt-get update, apt-get install MPlayer. Got it?
As far as MP3s go, I have Suse 9.3 right here and Juk playing all of my music imported right off my iPod which was supported fine using ipod:/ in Konqueror just as Suse said it would be.
I know you're probably either just trolling or afraid to actually Google for something but did you know there's 4 Multimedia packs you can download and install for free in Suse 9.3 using Yast?
This guy is way out there
So we have the recent crying session, over ubuntu and kubuntu being harmful to debian,when actually it comes to be a concern over "Release" dates and Press. Smells fishy to me.
My cat's picked up a Hammer. HEY! Put down that Hammer. Put Down that Hamm...THUNK!
Ubuntu is Debian with 'less software', dick.
They're not going to change kernel versions for a maintenance release!
I got Suse 9.3 Friday after ordering from Novell.com 2 weeks ago.
mp3s work out of the box using Juk.
I watch DVDs using MPlayer which I installed using the apt port for Suse.
There are 4 mulitmedia packs you can download from Suse using Yast.
Understand?
This guy is way out there
not to troll here, (and using a windows port would turn me off too) but half the time we either can't get audio to play correctly in mplayer, or the damn copy protection is causing problems. methinks RIAA is making it tough for linux users. actually, almost everywhere i go, i see problems with playing back rented or bought DVDs, even on (especially on) stand alone DVD players for TVs.
i disable sigs
Did anyone else notice the "My Computer" icon? Eww
I just thought that Debian Sarge was released and was already ordering a church service to thank god at last!
"And while Debian's Sarge isn't here yet"
You have got to be kidding. It's time Debian lowers the flag and lets Ubuntu take the lead.
can we get a torrent for the Live ISO..?
The Good Life
Does anyone know where to get binaries of this little gem? A few higher-quality icons REALLY goes a long way...
Defenestrate Windows...
Join the torrent
torrent link
Debian doesnt release very often, so who knows how long until sarge gets here?
Debian's jig is up.
However, I haven't found a torrent for it. Torrent Reactor has some 9.3 versions, including a 5 CD set, but not this one LiveDVD version.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I just downloaded 9.2.
Can Linspire play DVDs? Why, yes. It can play DVD's. What's more, the Linsoire DVD player is Xine. Some how, little Linspire has managed to figure out how to legally play MP3's and DVD's.
If Linspire can do it, then there is no excuse for any commercial distro not to be able to play MP3s and DVDs. Just like real commercial distros such as Windows and OS X are capable of.
...why does Linux spend it's entire time trying to be Windows 95?
Because to me it's really strange. A hell of a lot of Linux users seem to spend their time hating on Windows. Fine Windoze sucks. But why does every Linux desktop look like Windows ? That same bluey default feel. Shitty Windoze 3.0 aliased font with the dashed selection outline. The 'My Computer' thing.
Seriously, Move on. Stop trying to recreate Windows in Linux. Stop being inspired by Windows. Let KDE and GNOME people find their own style instead of trying to copy ancient horrible OSs.
I know it's hard but you people really have to think a little bit bigger.
Getting multimedia to work with Windows XP is still somewhat of a pain. Yes Windows Media Player does a fairly good job, but there are still tons of files/formats that just don't play right off the bat..
Annotated Links: http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=windows+%2B%2
The SuSE news was submitted to /. awhile ago but they didn't bother to post it until today...
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More info about the SuSE stuff can be found: http://www.abend.org/article.php/2005041715493116
and http://www.abend.org/article.php/2005041500214748
Another interesting article, Gartner: Novell to take Linux market share?: http://www.abend.org/article.php/2005041323294873
Screenshots is not valid to see if the distribution is well developed and is in a solid state to use.
I can't see in screenshots if a application is the best to use, if it haven't bugs. Any search in google brings me a lot of screenshots.
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Oiee CPU0 is history.
No harm done but kind of a scary error message.
Help fight continental drift.
While Debian 3.0r5 features such exciting and new software packages as Mozilla 1.0, GIMP 1.2, KDE 2.2 and GNOME 1.4 among others. No version of OpenOffice.org is available.
Sheesh, I don't think Debian rX releases are newsworthy, call me when they finally manage to get a release out with packages only two years old instead of the current 4. :P
I hope these to get into Sarge before it goes stable.
Kernel-2.6.12 (soon) or at least 2.6.11
GnuPG stable 1.4 (2004-12-16 18:24:48 CET)
Subversion (svn) 1.2 (to be released any day now)
Xen 2.0.5 (released)
Sure, gcc 4.0 would be nice too but lets be reasonable and give Sarge a chance to release this year.
This is only the beginning, grab what you can now for tomorrow it may be gone.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Right on brother. And here are the facts that no one in the Suse camp wants to face up to:
1) Turbolinux, a distribution with a lot less mindshare and less money can afford to ship you a legal DVD player for $69 but somehow Novell cannot do so?
1a) Unless you are a corporate buyer, you see HP's Suse notebook comes preloaded with PowerDVD.
2) Slide two of the Suse silliness presentation is not that they not ship multimedia codecs out of the box. If that were our only problem. Debian, Red Hat and Mandrake do not ship libdvdcss or any of the other codecs, but once you add them, your existing Totem or Kaffeine players play.
2a) But no, Suse has to go way beyond what's required and actually goes into the source code for Xine and Kaffeine and cripples so that even if you add the missing codecs/libraries, it still will not play.
2b) So what do you do? You have to remove kaffeine, xine, xine-libs ad nauseam and then install apt-get and install those programs from a third-party and hope that it doesn't break anything else. Why is this bad?
Because you no longer get updates for those packages from Suse and because mixing apt and yast sources can often leave your system in an inconsistent state.
All of this is a damn shame, because Suse is an awesome distribution with some stupid, stupid, stupid policies that have no legal or logical basis.
Hopefully, this long response will serve as a permanent rebuttal to all of the Suse fanboys. Liking a distribution should not be tantamount to giving them carte blanche to screw you over.
Summary of facts:
1) Suse ships DVD-playing software whenever the hell it pleases it.
2) Other distributions manage to ship a dvd player for $69, yet Suse costs $85-99 or more.
3) Suse cripples standard libraries and thus has disqualified itself from the home market. I will not touch it for these reasons and I have stopped recommending it to friends and clients.
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
You've got to be kidding! I was using Potato when I was a kid, and my nick will tell you how long ago THAT was!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Some other commercial distros are pretty well thought out as well.
Example: Xandros3.
( oh, and they offer a community edition you can actually download and install, not some 'ftp only' garbage )
Mepis is also pretty far up there for 'well planned out'.
Both debian based, which is a plus for the future.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
In addition to being copyright infringement, these proprietary codecs don't work on non-i386-based platforms. One of the hallmarks of FLOSS is portability. I think it's a good thing that I can give someone a copy of an Ogg Vorbis file and not have to care what hardware they're using because I know it's likely that there's a program to play the audio file on their computer. Now, even portable digital audio players play Ogg Vorbis files, so people can hear high-quality compressed audio without being near their computer.
This is part of the reason why I'm anxiously awaiting Dirac and why I'm reading the Theora spec. I want to be able to point to a complete and competitive FLOSS codecs which are genuinely useful for movies.
We also ought to promote the use of these codecs and not be so eager to distribute copies of files encoded with proprietary or patent-encumbered codecs.
Digital Citizen
Here's a torrent for SuSE 9.3. Go swarm happy!
So, let me get this straight:
SUSE's default desktop is KDE.
Novel Linux Desktop's defualt desktop is GNOME.
How is it a good thing for interoperability and consistency to for the same company to be putting out two desktop products that are fundamentally different? How can they have any hope of market penetration when they're pulling in two directions at once?
Woops. The link would have helped! Sorry. http://www.knetdome.com/bt/?torrent=suse93
I don't have money to pay for a DVD recorder drive, or even a reader, I just have this nice CD-RW 52X from LG and I'm happy with it. So how can I install suse 9.3 by downloading cd isos to burn? (no ftp install, thanks). I supose I'll have to wait it to appear on torrent sites or emule?
I don't keep up with every single distro (I just do servers), but what's the point in showing screenshots ? Every distro looks more or less the same because it's always a rehash of the same software.. different package managers, different default background images, different color schemes during INIT.. that's pretty much it.
What do screenshots mean in such a scenario ? I know I'm being overly critical but any default X configuration tends to look like 1994 nostalgia. Why can't we style KDE to look like Panther or something ? Always that "blah" blocky gray bar nagging at my subconscious. No shadows/depth, no perception of interactivity. Yes I know I'm being overly artsy but if I'm looking at a GUI that's slowing me down vs the command line, that GUI had better make up for its inefficacies by being intoxicatingly sexy and curvy.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Ubuntu is Debian with 'less software', dick.
Well, I think they should have kept all of Debian's dick in Ubuntu.
The parent said "I actually bought Codeweavers and have installed mplayer," not "I bought Codeweavers to install mplayer." Codeweavers can do stuff that mplayer can't, and vice versa, so it's perfectly logical to install both of them if you're looking for an ideal multimedia experience.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Which will release first?
( ) Debian "sarge"
( ) Microsoft Windows "Longhorn"
( ) Duke Nukem Forever
( ) CmdrTaco's breasts
I'm doing fine without buying anything and he had no idea what he's talking about. And it definitely sounds like he's running MPlayer under Codeweavers since the Win32 port is the only version of MPlayer I know of that has problems with codecs. My multimedia experience on Suse has no problems and the parent poster is spreading FUD. Hell, I even told the guy how to do install what he needed!
This guy is way out there
I have tried SUSE countless times. DL'ed the last Live DVD and same problem.....it will not boot! No command line..doesn't get to that point. I know others have had problems with SUSE's distro doing the same thing. Have they fixed this problem on latest Live DVD? P1.7/512/ATI Radeon 9600 AIW
for the lazy ;)
During the installation phase, test print. Went to cancel the job because it was taking too long and the head slammed against the stop so hard the printer actually jumped over to a new spot on my desk. The noise it made was so loud it made me jump!
I am a huge Linux fan but this is inexcusable. Had to throw my Lexmark Z42 into the trash.
Where's the x86_64 version? SuSE seems to have an iso for every other architecture but mine. Guess I'll just keep waiting...
Websters Dictionary: "Debian" Once a Mainstay in linux distributions and somewhat innovative in package mangagement with "apt get" it fell into
stagnation no doubt helped in part by it's so called "Debian Social Contract" and painfully slow release schedule. In later days it was surpassed by other more up to date distributions with other package systems with more flexibility and power.Debian R.I.P
Step out of the box and enjoy life
I just upgraded to SuSE 9.3 and all I can say is so far everything is working smoothly and seems stable. It comes with the 2.6.11 kernel with some nice add-ons like subfs. My setup is not typical, either.
This upgrade was actually one of the smoothest SuSE upgrades I've done.
-Aaron
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
Get your facts straight before you jump all over some one.
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Just grab all the illegal(in some countries) multimedia stuff from the packman website and you are all set.
.ogm files) Just try to carry 60 DVD around, they weigh as much as 10 pocket drives and swaping them is very hard. During a recent visit in the USA, I bought 5 external pocket drives,100GB each (the boxes contain 100GB Seagate momentum laptop drives) for less than 800 Euros. Thanks God the US dollar is so weak, I hope it stays this way for the benefit of us, European geeks. On these drives I can put about 300 ripped and transcoded DVDs, which is about half of my DVD collection.
In my opinion all illegal(in some countries) multimedia stuff works better with SuSE than Mandrake, that is packman packages are better than the Penguin Liberation Front packages.(I tried them both)
I've been ripping my dvd collection under suse since 2002, I think it is the best OS for dvd ripping, better than Windows. The highest transcoding speeds are under SuSE with kernel 2.4.x, for some reason transcoding is slower under kernels 2.6.x. My favorite distro for ripping and transcoding is suse 8.2. I have basic suse 8.2 installations in all my computers, in addition to more complete current suse distros. I use suse 8.2 only for dvd ripping and transcoding, I do everything else in the current suse distribution(now SuSE 9.2). I purchase every upgrade (twice a year), in order to support the company.
And no, I dont share my dvd rips with anybody else. I like to put them on portable pocket firewire/USB2 drives and watch them with my laptop while traveling. I use a tiny MM20 sharp laptop which weighs only 0.9 kg and has no internal optical drive. DVD-s are too heavy, carrying them with you is not practical. I could squeeze 50-60 DVDS in a single 100GB pocket drive (as
The screenshots for these releases are always so fucking embarassing. They either wrongly suggest that nothing new has happened 'under the hood' or they confirm it
The description is misleading. 9.3 includes Firefox 1.0.1. I would assume that 1.0.3 will be released as a security update.
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I just tried the Suse 9.3 live eval, and I found one thing that was cool. My wireless card actually worked! I connected and was viewing /. and using GAIM in no time at all!!!! Now, if they could just make this work in everything lol.
Oh, and sound didnt work.
oh well
Now I can't read any paragraph that describes something as "polished" without thinking of a friend named Bielecki. You bastard!
Consciousness is a myth. Trust me.
So I download the 1.4 Gig image and run the boot.
I watch the whole boot process as it finds varions VIA chipsets, ATA configurations and 3com network setups. 3 guesses what breaks the boot. If you guessed the VIDEO CARD failing to initialize give yourself a lollipop.
It's not like I'm using anything crazy. I have an ATI Radeon 9000 with a Samsung 700NF capable of displaying 800x600@120Hz.
This is really starting to bust my chops. Who will EVER switch from windows if they can't see the damn login screen.
From here I'm heading to Novell's site to search their knowledge base, but this is not something I should be doing, especially on a LIVE CD.
Everyone is making a big deal about SuSE having linphone as a part of the distro. So, I installed SuSE 9.3 yesterday and selected to install linphone. Well, guess what? As soon as I start up linphone, the program pops up. If I type in something and press call or try to select preferences from the menu, linphone crashes.....every...single....time. I didn't get it to work even once.
Why offer it as a package if it doesn't even remotely work with a clean install?
Actually it includes Firefox 1.0.1 (likely to be upgraded by online update to 1.0.3 anyway), OOo 2.0 Pre and Gimp 2.2.4.
girl geek powr! hahaha
How old are you?
Those Icons are HUGE!!!
I just upgraded my Suse 9.2 (with external install sources) to Suse 9.3 and now it DOES NOT BOOT INTO X. I'm hacking away at it right now trying to figure this mess out.
As usual, Debian (with external install sources) upgraded just fine to the latest.
With "commercial" distros, WHY do I have to format my computer every single time?
I know these community distros Gentoo, Debian, Slack, etc. are a bit more complex to install (except for maybe Ubuntu), but at least I don't have to go through these damn version upgrade nightmares.
-Joe
There are many rehashed points, many grounded in reality and thus with merit. Since any informed decision relies on hearing as many "sides" as possible and then weighing them all in the end, it is important to note the extreme lethargy involved in OSS related to actual usage.
Many people simply do not want (and in fact should NEVER need) to know about internal details when they simply want something "that just works." From my own observations, here are the categories of reasons as to why proprietary solutions win out over "open" solutions:
In short, the questions to ask range from "how will the openness (or lack thereof) really effect me relative to loss of productivity fighting with substandard hackers experiments" and "who is the intended audience of this tool?"
There are some really great projects (and products) out there regardless of their openness and licensing. I have found that instead of focusing on the license I will focus primarily on the effectiveness and efficiency of the project and its output.
Why should a plumber be required to know, much less actually construct and maintain, his truck, radio, phone, desk, accounting and billing system, mailing system, etc? His job is plumbing, and he must use proprietary tools and solutions that enable him to get to work then guess what the plumber will go for?