I believe you are correct. I guess I wasn't trying to say they should offer a cheap service. The point was that they have the money, they have the staff, they have little worries of monopoly charges (As there are tens of thousands of mom and pop isps, and AOL certainly doesn't undercut them) and they have the ability to swallow their competitors. Considering that there are really only two ways to keep your customers (offering better services/pricing or *being their alternative*), and aol has miserably failed on #1 and will likely never succeed, they should look into #2. Based on purely a guess AOL/Timewarner should be able to swallow netzero/peoplepc without looking back. If I were running a public company, this is an option I would seriously consider. But then again, perhaps that's why I'm not running a public company:)
Netzero has been doing some very effective advertising for about a year. AOL did nothing, no changes in service, no advertising, no competitive rates, etc. Now, AOL just started advertising, claiming value added services. They're still going nowhere, at the end of the day the average consumer cares nothing about services, they want a cheaper price. AOLs only alternative that I can see is to purchase netzero, but don't migrate their userbase. Continue to be netzero, and if you loose customers from AOL, BFD. You'll be getting less profit per customer, but at least you'll still the the recurring revenue.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AOL crash and burn, but they _do_ have a niche.
On the contrary, it doesn't actually _have_ the capability. There are hacks available that can be done, but it has no native interface like it _should_. Don't get me wrong I love these types of exploits and I'm usually one of the first ones to exploit hardware, but he may not want to do that.
I already addressed the reason Apple never went open though, and the platform is better because of it.
I disagree. I think that if it would have been open it would have done quite a bit better. Simply being under the rules of capitalism would have promoted products much better (and yes, worse) than what apple manufacturers today. I do not know this for certain, but I believe it to be a reasonable conclusion. I worked as an (certified:)) apple technician for 3 years, and I'd have to say that I fixed more apples with design flaws than Compaqs, HPs, Dells and IBMs combined. The things that failed on the PCs were bad hard drives, cdroms and cpu fans. The things that failed on apples were poorly designed power buttons that stuck, cdrom drives misaligned in imacs, bad power boards, and that damn cuda chip.
Steve Jobs had a quite different vision...
Dude, take this one. I can't defend Mr. Gates, nor do I want to. Additionally, I'd rather not get into the software side.
Nope, I don't think I'm ignorant. In fact, I like to think I'm quite the opposite. I'm aware of the slipperly slope fallacy, but I believe your presupposition is unfair.
I'll assume you called "slippery slope" because you assume that my purchase couldn't possibly turn apple into a monopoly. This is true, I have to struggle to pay child support sometimes. I do, however, believe that a single person can make a difference. Just like me purchasing 10% ethanol gasoline, using only synthetic old, and driving on the 55mph roads instead of the interstate so I can get 35mpg can make a difference in my oil consumption. Just like me volunteering at a place for a weekend. Or heck, like the guy so appropriately mentioned above, me voting tomorrow!
I can think of plenty of good reasons to purchase a mac too. I think I listed some above, some which I sincerely believe are logical. It's not a bizzaro world I'm conjuring up! Apple has _ALREADY_ done #1 and #2! I'll admit that #3 was opinion, but hardly far fetched.
#1. IBM allowed clones (IIRC, by accident), apple should have seen this as a place to grow. Instead, they decided to sue all the clone manufacturers, and hope that the profits from public schools were enough to go on.
#2. If you want to void my argument on #3 by calling it moot, then I void this one of yours. Apple is a public company, just like Dell or MS, at the end of the day profit drives them. Nothing but profit.
I never said I wouldn't buy from any monopoly. I said I would not purchase a mac based on apples history(1 & 2 were correct, 3 was an opinion based on behavior of other large companies). I still stand by this argument. There are many sucessful companies that are a LOT less evil than apple.
I judge apple evil, and still judge them evil. I simply will not purchase from them, nor will any of my peers that I influence.
There exists an argument between creationists and evolutionists. Each proposes facts, conjecture, opinions and theories. When one side demonstrates reasonable evidence that their theory is correct, it's generally considered "a bad thing" to the opposing group.
In this case, that's creationists.
This article doesn't have to explicity say "Take that creationists!", it is hoped that underlying disagreement is considered before the article is read. In this case, you did not do that. Ergo, you can see the trees, but there is no forest in sight.
I refuse to buy a mac because, unlike most of my peers, I have a pretty good idea of what would happen if Apple was on 90% of the desktops in the world. Based on their past record (and the records of similiar premonopolies that are now monopolies (MS, Cisco, Intel, et.al): #1. they would strong arm their competition into oblivion. #2. They would use their own proprietary hardware to ensure they keep their market share. #3. Their new product development would mimic Microsofts. Now they are forced to develop, to keep their niche. When they have 90%, they wouldn't be forced to keep their niche.
There are tens more I can't think of off the bat, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Why are the debian guys so scared of -funroll-loops?
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2,3,4 or more button mouse is a crutch for poor interface design...
There's only one crutch being used here, and that is that line. I use a 6 button mouse. Picture this:
I have a cup of coffee in my left hand, and I'm drinking it. At the same time, I've just finished RAFA, so I use one button to make the browser go "back". I don't want to put my coffee down so I can press a stupid Command button.
Or imagine this: Two of these buttons have a hotkey for the better Q3 weapons, RL and GL. One button is used for jumping, while my left hand controls the keyboard. Every try playing Q3 with a one button mouse? It's hilarious to watch you handicaps play. See, some of us can do things at the same time.
There are more examples, but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand them.
I've been wondering if there is a good game for xbox/ps that I can use to improve my skill with the types of poker and what not. Does anyone know if one exists? I seem to do well from just everyday experience, but I think that a console/pc type of game (not the crappy $10 walmart specials) would do a good job teaching the advanced concepts, simply because of the repetitive nature.
I'd be especially interested if there were an xbox live game...
Yeah, I see that. I don't really want to get any farther into this, because you're gonna make me start looking on compusa.com or something. The only thing I _want_ to stress is that the Pentium M is available on more laptops that what you had said. Don't get me wrong, we can have price wars if you'd like, I just don't really feel like bickering over such things.
Apple-zealot? Funny, considering...
I'll take your word on this one. The next time I try to pick on the apple guys, I'll be sure to: a. RTFA, or at least the price. b. find a comprable comparison, as opposed to picking one on my whim. c. Be cautious in throwing out the "z" word.
I was ill-prepared this time, and I'm not doing much better today.
Well, I didn't rtfa, my bad. $1200? Still no problem.
Try an IBM ThinkPad R Series R51, $1299; 14 inch display. Comes with CDRW and DVD player. Weighs 5.7-6.0lbs. Yeah, with the cdrom, would you believe it?
Yeah, I was correct. The equivilant is NOT a celeron. If you want an 800 dollar laptop, you get a celeron.
Looks are opinions, you and I will probably never come to an agreement on that.
I wasn't blathering, it was just your zealot apple mind garbling the english.
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I believe you are correct. I guess I wasn't trying to say they should offer a cheap service.
The point was that they have the money, they have the staff, they have little worries of monopoly charges (As there are tens of thousands of mom and pop isps, and AOL certainly doesn't undercut them) and they have the ability to swallow their competitors.
Considering that there are really only two ways to keep your customers (offering better services/pricing or *being their alternative*), and aol has miserably failed on #1 and will likely never succeed, they should look into #2. Based on purely a guess AOL/Timewarner should be able to swallow netzero/peoplepc without looking back.
If I were running a public company, this is an option I would seriously consider. But then again, perhaps that's why I'm not running a public company:)
This guy deserves a +5 Funny, not an offtopic!
AWW crap, I made the lose/loose error!
Netzero has been doing some very effective advertising for about a year. AOL did nothing, no changes in service, no advertising, no competitive rates, etc.
Now, AOL just started advertising, claiming value added services.
They're still going nowhere, at the end of the day the average consumer cares nothing about services, they want a cheaper price.
AOLs only alternative that I can see is to purchase netzero, but don't migrate their userbase. Continue to be netzero, and if you loose customers from AOL, BFD. You'll be getting less profit per customer, but at least you'll still the the recurring revenue.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AOL crash and burn, but they _do_ have a niche.
Haha! Yeah, if you enable FireWire Disk mode!
That's not even intuitive, much less native.
On the contrary, it doesn't actually _have_ the capability. There are hacks available that can be done, but it has no native interface like it _should_.
Don't get me wrong I love these types of exploits and I'm usually one of the first ones to exploit hardware, but he may not want to do that.
There is no reason why this should have been modded down.
He stated a legitimate reason why he does not own an Ipod.
Dude, back off.
Most of us are adults.
I already addressed the reason Apple never went open though, and the platform is better because of it.
I disagree. I think that if it would have been open it would have done quite a bit better. Simply being under the rules of capitalism would have promoted products much better (and yes, worse) than what apple manufacturers today. I do not know this for certain, but I believe it to be a reasonable conclusion. I worked as an (certified:)) apple technician for 3 years, and I'd have to say that I fixed more apples with design flaws than Compaqs, HPs, Dells and IBMs combined. The things that failed on the PCs were bad hard drives, cdroms and cpu fans. The things that failed on apples were poorly designed power buttons that stuck, cdrom drives misaligned in imacs, bad power boards, and that damn cuda chip.
Steve Jobs had a quite different vision...
Dude, take this one. I can't defend Mr. Gates, nor do I want to. Additionally, I'd rather not get into the software side.
Thanks.
I can think of plenty of good reasons to purchase a mac too.
Sorry, that was supposed to be:
"not purchase a mac...";)
Nope, I don't think I'm ignorant. In fact, I like to think I'm quite the opposite. I'm aware of the slipperly slope fallacy, but I believe your presupposition is unfair.
I'll assume you called "slippery slope" because you assume that my purchase couldn't possibly turn apple into a monopoly. This is true, I have to struggle to pay child support sometimes. I do, however, believe that a single person can make a difference. Just like me purchasing 10% ethanol gasoline, using only synthetic old, and driving on the 55mph roads instead of the interstate so I can get 35mpg can make a difference in my oil consumption. Just like me volunteering at a place for a weekend. Or heck, like the guy so appropriately mentioned above, me voting tomorrow!
I can think of plenty of good reasons to purchase a mac too. I think I listed some above, some which I sincerely believe are logical.
It's not a bizzaro world I'm conjuring up! Apple has _ALREADY_ done #1 and #2! I'll admit that #3 was opinion, but hardly far fetched.
#1. IBM allowed clones (IIRC, by accident), apple should have seen this as a place to grow. Instead, they decided to sue all the clone manufacturers, and hope that the profits from public schools were enough to go on.
#2. If you want to void my argument on #3 by calling it moot, then I void this one of yours. Apple is a public company, just like Dell or MS, at the end of the day profit drives them. Nothing but profit.
#3. Void? Probably. Impossible? No.
The threat can be imminent. Consider their past, that's all my argument was (well, outside of #3, which was opinion).
I don't think google is "strongarm"ing. I think we need more companies like that.
I never said I wouldn't buy from any monopoly. I said I would not purchase a mac based on apples history(1 & 2 were correct, 3 was an opinion based on behavior of other large companies).
I still stand by this argument. There are many sucessful companies that are a LOT less evil than apple.
I judge apple evil, and still judge them evil. I simply will not purchase from them, nor will any of my peers that I influence.
There exists an argument between creationists and evolutionists. Each proposes facts, conjecture, opinions and theories. When one side demonstrates reasonable evidence that their theory is correct, it's generally considered "a bad thing" to the opposing group.
In this case, that's creationists.
This article doesn't have to explicity say "Take that creationists!", it is hoped that underlying disagreement is considered before the article is read. In this case, you did not do that. Ergo, you can see the trees, but there is no forest in sight.
Clearly you formed that conjecture well before you considered any other possible alternatives.
I buy amd.
I buy foundry, nokia, etc.
I use linux.
So, in other words, I'm _NOT_ supporting current monopolies. You are putting words in my mouth.
I refuse to buy a mac because, unlike most of my peers, I have a pretty good idea of what would happen if Apple was on 90% of the desktops in the world. Based on their past record (and the records of similiar premonopolies that are now monopolies (MS, Cisco, Intel, et.al):
#1. they would strong arm their competition into oblivion.
#2. They would use their own proprietary hardware to ensure they keep their market share.
#3. Their new product development would mimic Microsofts. Now they are forced to develop, to keep their niche. When they have 90%, they wouldn't be forced to keep their niche.
There are tens more I can't think of off the bat, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I may look stupid, but I'm not.
Perhaps you already knew, but doing this on win9x (and me) causes a bsod. Same thing with c:\nul\nul
Why are the debian guys so scared of -funroll-loops?
2,3,4 or more button mouse is a crutch for poor interface design...
There's only one crutch being used here, and that is that line. I use a 6 button mouse. Picture this:
I have a cup of coffee in my left hand, and I'm drinking it. At the same time, I've just finished RAFA, so I use one button to make the browser go "back". I don't want to put my coffee down so I can press a stupid Command button.
Or imagine this:
Two of these buttons have a hotkey for the better Q3 weapons, RL and GL. One button is used for jumping, while my left hand controls the keyboard. Every try playing Q3 with a one button mouse? It's hilarious to watch you handicaps play. See, some of us can do things at the same time.
There are more examples, but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand them.
I rest my case.
I've been wondering if there is a good game for xbox/ps that I can use to improve my skill with the types of poker and what not. Does anyone know if one exists? I seem to do well from just everyday experience, but I think that a console/pc type of game (not the crappy $10 walmart specials) would do a good job teaching the advanced concepts, simply because of the repetitive nature.
I'd be especially interested if there were an xbox live game...
it has crappy integrated vid-card...
Yeah, I see that. I don't really want to get any farther into this, because you're gonna make me start looking on compusa.com or something. The only thing I _want_ to stress is that the Pentium M is available on more laptops that what you had said. Don't get me wrong, we can have price wars if you'd like, I just don't really feel like bickering over such things.
Apple-zealot? Funny, considering...
I'll take your word on this one. The next time I try to pick on the apple guys, I'll be sure to:
a. RTFA, or at least the price.
b. find a comprable comparison, as opposed to picking one on my whim.
c. Be cautious in throwing out the "z" word.
I was ill-prepared this time, and I'm not doing much better today.
Well, I didn't rtfa, my bad. $1200? Still no problem.
Try an IBM ThinkPad R Series R51, $1299; 14 inch display. Comes with CDRW and DVD player. Weighs 5.7-6.0lbs. Yeah, with the cdrom, would you believe it?
Yeah, I was correct. The equivilant is NOT a celeron. If you want an 800 dollar laptop, you get a celeron.
Looks are opinions, you and I will probably never come to an agreement on that.
I wasn't blathering, it was just your zealot apple mind garbling the english.
Did you try with the .net stuff? I don't know if it works with that.