Sun doesn't give the Open Source community any marketshare, Sun only gives Sun marketshare. Those two are very different things.
You will find Sun execs blabbing off about indemnification at every opportunity, and I recently heard a Sun exec talking about how you "don't find any hippies wearing anoroaks at Sun" and "those freaks are frequently totally out of control" Sun is not the friend of Open Source.
That's it. People should really look deeper into the Sun Open Source shenanigans. Besides the SCO crap, and now their "we indemnify you" crap, everything Sun has "given" to the community has come with a whole heap of strings attached, and its only purpose is to serve to the greater good of Sun. Anything that would even so much as hint to being a "competitive edge" is closed source. I have two issues with this particular setup>
First of all, I think that from a corporate perspective, The "desktop appliance" idea sucks. It is a Wintel blowback in terms of technology - i.e. treating the Linux/Unix desktop in the same vein as a windows desktop is simply stupid. The technical underpinning of this particular train of thought is that in Windows, playing with the setup of the machine will most likely fsck up your machine. In linux, the worst that can happen is that your colourscheme turns green and purple.
Secondly, the Desktop Appliance idea is just another form of Vendor Lock-in. No different from Microsoft. When it comes to desktops, there is no such thing as "one size fits all" - every user, every culture, every company, they all have different approaches to performing work. In order to truly serve your user base, you must customise this desktop. An appliance by default will not allow you to do that easily.
Don't for a second confuse this with Open Source. The fact that Sun ripped off large chuncks of work from the Open Sopurce community is not a plus, and will do *nothing* positive to the community. I want to see Sun distributing their own code along with the code they lifted of the community. I want their patches, their settings, their changes. Bet you they won't do it. I have worked with Sun in the Open source community long enought to know that Sun only cares about one thing when it comes to Open Source, and that's free labour.
On the contrary, it may signal to hardware developers that OSS developers are a clever buch that are willing to help out to make *their* hardware work. They may become more lenient in publishing hardware specs under reasonable disclosure terms, and who knows, we could get better drivers.....
Venus is virtually the same size as Earth and, on average, is our nearest neighbour. Today, its atmospheric temperatures are hot enough to melt lead and concentrated sulfuric acid continuously drizzles down from thick sulphurous clouds that completely block out the Sun.
Sounds like human life originated on Venus, we totally fucked it up, and sent a "try again" genetic seeding material package to Earth. Seems we didn't learn much.....
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Follow a couple of links around on the UBI soft site, and you will find that the creators Cyan have a complete opensource section around the myst stuff. right here http://open.cyanworlds.com/
What really strikes me as odd (or maybe as typical) in your mode of discussion is the total lack of space for any hint of morality in those that choose not to believe in God. Your consistent grouping of morality on the side of theism, and the subsequent imposibility of a morality outside the context of a God is simplistic, to say the least.
I do not believe in a God that leads my day to day life, or even cares about it. I do not believe in a God that loves us as individuals. I do not believe in a God that sat down one day and created heaven and earth for our benefit.
And when I stop looking at spirituality, I look around me and see organised religion outdoing organised crime in profit margins, ruthlessnes and control. I look at organised religion and see nothing but nepotism, and little evidence of this assumed morality. I see massive coverup of child abuse. I see lives destroyed in the name of the pope. I see people going hungry, without help from the churches, that can seriously afford it. I see a pope, buying a million dollar Bentley, so he can drive around in safety, while his followers slaughter each other for ridiculous reasons. I see an organised fostering of hate, a repressive regime, that actively discourages discovery of the world around us, an inward-looking philosophy, that frowns on exploration. I see a cult. A cult more concerned with control then with anything else.
Irrespective of my lack of beliefs in a traditional sense, I live my life, and teach my son to live his, along a moral code that requires no deity to enforce: Be nice to others. At the end of the day, that is what it is all about.
For something like a school, and many other types of organisations, it is perfectly acceptable to run Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, hell, I have even implemented LFS in certain environments. However, those places are hardly mainstream, and before you start tossing out numbers, *volume* alone does not denote mainstraim. As soon as you need Oracle, you are pretty much tied into SuSE or RedHat, and neither are cheap, even though SuSE is about half price as RedHat on the Enterprise Server side of things, with much friendlier licensing terms. When you say " There is no need to pay for Linux at all, if you have people competent enough to implement it on their own, or to find a free implementation and tweak it to make it even more suitable." you show how little you know about enterprise IT. That is not meant as a troll or a flame, it is just an observation. Good people are expensive and even in todays climate, hard to find. Free implementations that can be deployed in an enterprise setting simply don't exist. Take Debian, for example. I would love to implement debian everywhere, however, who is going to deliver commercial support? none of the people listed on the debian support page have the required backing, stability and headcount to make it past your average corporate purchasing department for the kind and level of support these players are looking for. As I said, the price gap is converging. For every example that you have about deployments where the OS software did not cost a cent, I have a thousand where it did. And as you know, OS software is just a small part of the cost of the OS.
yeah, I agree, but I wasn't talking about managers, I was talking about the journos that talk about OSS. Even good managers can only act on the info they have, and sadly most of that still comes from websites, analysts, and public opinion.
The price gap is slowly converging, on the hand because Linux is simply costing more then it did 2 years ago, and on the other because Linux is forcing other vendors to drop their prices. The biggest mistake we are all making is hyping up the price benefits, without pointing to the larger and better long term benefits. This is hard in an industry where *everybody* has been conditioned to look no further then a 5 year horizon, but the long term benefits of OSS are the ones that *really* count. Whatever.....
"The jury is in. After years of experimentation with Linux in the enterprise, customers, analysts, and vendors are starting to sing a consistent tune about where Linux makes financial sense and where it doesn't."
They still don' t get it. Even though the article is moderately positive, any article about Linux that starts with "the Jury is in" was written by someone who does not fully understand the dynamics of Open Source. How can "the jury" be "in" on an environment that changes so rapidly as Linux does? How can you say for certain where Linux has a role and where it doesn't? A move in the right direction, but the hacks still need some educating.....
What is the state of ATM, and is it worth it? I have worked with ATM several times, and keep coming back to the basic opinion that it stinks. Just like Token Ring stinks.
Hey Darl, lemme have some of that crack you are smoking! I have had some *fantastic* crack, but the shit you've got must be top of the line, what with all the shit you're spouting and all.....
Heh, if this turned into a trend, it could spell the end of an industry - the virus-removal industry. Imagine: Open Sourced, hunter-seeker virus removal worms, out in the wild nearly as fast as the original, cleaning up the mess some scridiot created in a fit of juvinle mischief. Somehow, I don't think the virus writer/scanner cartel will not let this become a trend.
Don't worry, personally, I don't think this will succeed. Microsoft still does not allow, for all their rethoric, GPL'ed or other Open Source Software to be created with this software. The EULA states:
* No Identified Software. Your license rights to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT are conditioned upon you:
(a) not incorporating Identified Software into, or combining Identified Software with, the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or a derivative work thereof;
(b) not distributing Identified Software in conjunction with the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or a derivative work thereof;
and (c) not using Identified Software in the development of a derivative work of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
"Identified Software" means software which is licensed pursuant to terms that directly or indirectly:
(i) grant, or purport to grant, to any third party any rights or immunities under Microsoft's intellectual property or proprietary rights in the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or derivative work thereof, or
(ii) create, or purport to create, obligations for Microsoft with respect to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or derivative work thereof.
Identified Software includes, without limitation, any software licensed pursuant to terms that seek to require that other software incorporated into, derived from or distributed with such software be:
(a) disclosed or distributed in source code form;
(b) be licensed for the purpose of making derivative works; or
(c) be redistributable at no charge.
With their Anti-Open Source software clauses still in place, the potential uptake for this platform is probably not going to be very high, especially among corporates that are increasingly looking for OSS.
Then there is the "Spyware" clause:
b. Consent to use of Data. You agree that Microsoft and its affiliates may collect and use technical information gathered in any manner as part of the product support services provided to you, if any, related to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT. Microsoft may use this information solely to improve our products or to provide customized services or technologies to you. Microsoft may disclose this information to others, but not in a form that personally identifies you.
These are just some of the EULA nasties. There is also, of course, the "can't use this to provide hosting or service" clause (because MS is seeking to corner that particular market). Good luck to all developers who agree to this. For those who do agree to this contract with MS, there is a large red man with cloven hoofs, horns and a funny tail that is mumbling something about "my contract is better".......
"Your sig is irrelevant to the context of our discussion, but I'll just mention in passing that the quote you have there is in reference to allowing doctors to smoke in hospitals. Yeah, sorry, we don't allow Iraqi doctors to smoke in our hospitals."
We don't allow Iraqi doctors to smoke in *our* hospitals? Yarmuk Central Hospital in Baghdad? That's not your hospital, unless the US now owns Iraq. Guess that makes it clear where you are coming from.... And while we are contextualising my sig, you may read the whole article, and notice that the officer in question forbids smoking a minute after somebody vomited blood all over the floor, the cleaner comes to mop it up, and then proceeds to mop the beds with the same mop and water, due to lack of cleaning materials. You bring the rules, but fail to bring the tools. How typical of a PHB. If that notion of freedom was no so pathetically tragic, it would be put in a Monthy Python sketch, and people would laugh over it.
How much more intelligent you would have seemed if you would have acknowledged how tragic the article in question was, as opposed to just trying to milk it for a cheap shot. You may brand me an "anti-american eurotrash fool, full of hatred" and all that, but that just goes to show how little you know of me, and is more an attestment of the simplistic polarity of your views. I do not judge character based on a couple of messages on a messageboard (unless it is blatently obvious). People who do that look stupid.
I'm not flaming, not at all. And yes, you are right. "Liars and Thieves" is a strong statement I cannot directly support. However, if you read the article, specifically the bit at the bottom (in the yellow block) then you would note that the bit at the bottom states:
"Even though European countries and some U.S. experts have suspected that different pavements can lower ever-increasing highway noise levels, researchers are the closest they've ever been to a viable, and more cost-effective solution. While engineers are still testing how durable quiet pavements really are, the Arizona Department of Transformation has resurfaced highways with rubberized asphalt for $325,000 per lane mile."
Call me paraniod, but it seems to imply "researchers have been breaking their heads over this, both in Europe as well as the US, but they are not yet sure. In US (hence, "Great American Invention") we are already way ahead, and are testing this stuff already. This overlooks the fact that this stuff has been in use in the EU for a long time, we know the strenghts, weaknesses, benefits (for example, top-coated two layer ZOAB will typically reduce sound by around 12db, and will increase the speed at which aquaplaning occurs to an absurdly high amount. Also, risk of frost is significantly reduced. Want to talk about environmental conditions?) and costs, as well as the endurance and maintenance requirements. This isn't an invention, in the EU this is a GOVERNMENT STANDARD. This is like Cal Tech claiming they are researching a new system of counting weight, and they discovered that 100 grams actually make up one kilogram. They are now looking how they can apply this new-found knowledge, and invent a way of reliably and consistently measuring up a Tonne. Hmmm.... what if I take lots of these kilogrammes I just invented......(before you answer, it is the metric system, another one of those EU government standards)
Anyway - I do know how the compounds differ - rubber was looked at very early in the research cycle of the Dutch compound, many years ago, and discarded for a variety of reasons, one rather obvious one being the fact that depositing tons of small rubber pallets in the ground is not very good for the environment. How are you going clean up the road at the end of the life-cycle? Also, cost of construction is high, as well as production cost.
I don't know where you see any "hatred" or "flaming of people" in my post. When you mention "full of hatred, flying off the handle, and flaminig people" I recall the opening scene of Lethal weapon 4 - the mad idiot with flamethrower. I am hardly on par with, as an online equivalent, don't you think? Or is the combination of a.sig that critizises current US behaviour on the world stage combined with a pro-EU post considered by you to construe "full of hatred"?
Yeah, funny that. I noticed that *always* seems to happen right before everybody starts yelling "Oh Shit!". I keep telling them to stop saying "Oh Shit", so the power will stay up....
If you would have looked at the content of my post, you would have seen that it concerns a mixture of asphalt as well as concrete. ZOAB technology is now about 15 years old in backwards Europe, so we have gone ahead and recently invented a 2 layer mixture, where the top layer has a higher density then the bottom layer. this greatly reduces sound pollution, and has a much lower requirement for maintenance. It is also more environmentally friendly. To top it off, pun intended, there is a topcoat of a mixture of different polymers that act as a filter, letting water through, but at the same time keeping freezing temperatures out, doing away with the "black ice" phenomena - you know, a thin sheet of ice that is invisible, until you see the big pile-up ahead of you? It also reduces sound pollution more, but is more expensive.
I checked with a mate of mine that actually works on this stuff, and latest I heard, some USians are coming to see how it is done. We stopped playing with rubber about 25 years ago. Soon, you will learn that GSM makes for better cell networks, PAL is the better display standard, Open source is the way to go for software development and deployment (Europe leads the way in terms of OSS deployment, in terms of percentage as well as hard numbers.) and various other "Mysterious Happenings From The Future"
Blind anti-americanism, just because I think the US is silly for not adopting existing, tried and tested technologies - from their allies, of all things - rather then re-inventing the wheel? A troll, I say. Anyway, next time you need a "coalition partner" to give your oil-grabbing excercise a veneer of legitimacy, it will probably be an EU country you will be turning to. Eurotrash Indeed....
hehehe, very cool. but in fact, since it is government funded study that invented this in the first place, it is in fact open source. A tar is not available *grin*, but a PDF is.. It is in dutch though.....
leaving out the profanities, this isn't flamebait, modders, the guy has got a good point. It will probably be modded down into oblivion, so i'll just be postin a mirror - i've got karma to burn anyhow.
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Or maybe Linux isn't some sort of magical bug free OS where every buffer is checked, every race condition averted, and every service that runs on it is guaranteed bug free.
Good God. The fact you can post that comment...no. You're just too much of an unthinking hero-worshipping idiot for me to finish. Yes, it was an inside job or a weak password. Anything except a vulnerability. Yes.>br> *****************
A similar compound was invented in the Netherlands ages ago, using concrete (cheaper and easier to handle then rubber). It is called ZOAB ("Zeer Open Asfalt Beton", meaning "Very Open Asphalt Concrete") This highly porous material has several beneficial properties, such as being more quiet, and more efficient in draining water, thus preventing aquaplaning. It is a safer road, alltogether. Now some university is passing this off as a "Great American Invention"?!?!
Same thing happend with airport groundradar. A Norwegian Company invented a groundradar system for airports, allowing safer manouvering of aircraft in dense fog and other low viz situations. This delivered tremendous safety to airports. The FAA wanted it, but it had to be american - can't buy of those eurotrash companies and all that. 8 years down the line, and it still was not working. In the meantime, you have had about 33 near misses at o'hare alone.......
Obviously I shall now be modded down -50 "unpatriotic eurotrash bastard" whatever.
Hrmph. Not withstanding that fact that I use linux on 90% of my machines (i have ten, and 1 is a mac), I would not state that crashing linux is hard work. I have had issues, for example, with a compaq server running KDM, and a connection from a SPARC Debian box to KDM would send the compaq machine in a stupor, with only a blowing fan and slowly blinking numlock led as signs of life. Just one example.
Every OS can be crashed, and Linux is not significantly harder or easier. It is just that with Open Source, world+dog will see what a tremendous asshole you have been, writing buggy code like that. Now, when coding proprietary stuff at work, you can probably get away with it, shifting the blame on your sacked co-worker, or coming up with a rather technical explanation of the situation to a boss that is probably clueless anyhow. With open source coding however, there are no excuses, and people will just start laughing every time you log on to IRC. You nerd-chick will stop writing you sexy emails and naughty, compromising emoticons, and you'll basically be branded a wannabe MCSD. Nobody would want that to happen, so the motivation to write good code is clearly present and persuasive with open source code...:-)
Exactly. This attitude is really how things should be, in my opinion. Removing or disabling what is currently present is a totally different thing though, and is what makes people anxious.
Au contraire, it is highly likely. very few sites I visit on a regular basis (large investment banks, big Govt, departments, etc) stay with whatever compiler ships with their Unix. Most development shops would have dumped whatever was shipped, would have upgraded to a more recent GCC, and would now be in trouble. I have already had a call today from one bank that are anxious about their roadmap, and have started doing Intel compiler testruns, just in case....
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Sun doesn't give the Open Source community any marketshare, Sun only gives Sun marketshare. Those two are very different things.
You will find Sun execs blabbing off about indemnification at every opportunity, and I recently heard a Sun exec talking about how you "don't find any hippies wearing anoroaks at Sun" and "those freaks are frequently totally out of control" Sun is not the friend of Open Source.
That's it. People should really look deeper into the Sun Open Source shenanigans. Besides the SCO crap, and now their "we indemnify you" crap, everything Sun has "given" to the community has come with a whole heap of strings attached, and its only purpose is to serve to the greater good of Sun. Anything that would even so much as hint to being a "competitive edge" is closed source. I have two issues with this particular setup>
First of all, I think that from a corporate perspective, The "desktop appliance" idea sucks. It is a Wintel blowback in terms of technology - i.e. treating the Linux/Unix desktop in the same vein as a windows desktop is simply stupid. The technical underpinning of this particular train of thought is that in Windows, playing with the setup of the machine will most likely fsck up your machine. In linux, the worst that can happen is that your colourscheme turns green and purple.
Secondly, the Desktop Appliance idea is just another form of Vendor Lock-in. No different from Microsoft. When it comes to desktops, there is no such thing as "one size fits all" - every user, every culture, every company, they all have different approaches to performing work. In order to truly serve your user base, you must customise this desktop. An appliance by default will not allow you to do that easily.
Don't for a second confuse this with Open Source. The fact that Sun ripped off large chuncks of work from the Open Sopurce community is not a plus, and will do *nothing* positive to the community. I want to see Sun distributing their own code along with the code they lifted of the community. I want their patches, their settings, their changes. Bet you they won't do it. I have worked with Sun in the Open source community long enought to know that Sun only cares about one thing when it comes to Open Source, and that's free labour.
heh, yeah, and check out the "Company Structure" slide. No wonder Sun is going downhill faster then a brick dropping from a plane......
On the contrary, it may signal to hardware developers that OSS developers are a clever buch that are willing to help out to make *their* hardware work. They may become more lenient in publishing hardware specs under reasonable disclosure terms, and who knows, we could get better drivers.....
From the article:
Venus is virtually the same size as Earth and, on average, is our nearest neighbour. Today, its atmospheric temperatures are hot enough to melt lead and concentrated sulfuric acid continuously drizzles down from thick sulphurous clouds that completely block out the Sun.
Sounds like human life originated on Venus, we totally fucked it up, and sent a "try again" genetic seeding material package to Earth. Seems we didn't learn much.....
Follow a couple of links around on the UBI soft site, and you will find that the creators Cyan have a complete opensource section around the myst stuff. right here http://open.cyanworlds.com/
What really strikes me as odd (or maybe as typical) in your mode of discussion is the total lack of space for any hint of morality in those that choose not to believe in God. Your consistent grouping of morality on the side of theism, and the subsequent imposibility of a morality outside the context of a God is simplistic, to say the least.
I do not believe in a God that leads my day to day life, or even cares about it. I do not believe in a God that loves us as individuals. I do not believe in a God that sat down one day and created heaven and earth for our benefit.
And when I stop looking at spirituality, I look around me and see organised religion outdoing organised crime in profit margins, ruthlessnes and control. I look at organised religion and see nothing but nepotism, and little evidence of this assumed morality. I see massive coverup of child abuse. I see lives destroyed in the name of the pope. I see people going hungry, without help from the churches, that can seriously afford it. I see a pope, buying a million dollar Bentley, so he can drive around in safety, while his followers slaughter each other for ridiculous reasons. I see an organised fostering of hate, a repressive regime, that actively discourages discovery of the world around us, an inward-looking philosophy, that frowns on exploration. I see a cult. A cult more concerned with control then with anything else.
Irrespective of my lack of beliefs in a traditional sense, I live my life, and teach my son to live his, along a moral code that requires no deity to enforce: Be nice to others. At the end of the day, that is what it is all about.
For something like a school, and many other types of organisations, it is perfectly acceptable to run Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, hell, I have even implemented LFS in certain environments. However, those places are hardly mainstream, and before you start tossing out numbers, *volume* alone does not denote mainstraim. As soon as you need Oracle, you are pretty much tied into SuSE or RedHat, and neither are cheap, even though SuSE is about half price as RedHat on the Enterprise Server side of things, with much friendlier licensing terms. When you say " There is no need to pay for Linux at all, if you have people competent enough to implement it on their own, or to find a free implementation and tweak it to make it even more suitable." you show how little you know about enterprise IT. That is not meant as a troll or a flame, it is just an observation. Good people are expensive and even in todays climate, hard to find. Free implementations that can be deployed in an enterprise setting simply don't exist. Take Debian, for example. I would love to implement debian everywhere, however, who is going to deliver commercial support? none of the people listed on the debian support page have the required backing, stability and headcount to make it past your average corporate purchasing department for the kind and level of support these players are looking for. As I said, the price gap is converging. For every example that you have about deployments where the OS software did not cost a cent, I have a thousand where it did. And as you know, OS software is just a small part of the cost of the OS.
yeah, I agree, but I wasn't talking about managers, I was talking about the journos that talk about OSS. Even good managers can only act on the info they have, and sadly most of that still comes from websites, analysts, and public opinion.
The price gap is slowly converging, on the hand because Linux is simply costing more then it did 2 years ago, and on the other because Linux is forcing other vendors to drop their prices. The biggest mistake we are all making is hyping up the price benefits, without pointing to the larger and better long term benefits. This is hard in an industry where *everybody* has been conditioned to look no further then a 5 year horizon, but the long term benefits of OSS are the ones that *really* count. Whatever.....
"The jury is in. After years of experimentation with Linux in the enterprise, customers, analysts, and vendors are starting to sing a consistent tune about where Linux makes financial sense and where it doesn't."
They still don' t get it. Even though the article is moderately positive, any article about Linux that starts with "the Jury is in" was written by someone who does not fully understand the dynamics of Open Source. How can "the jury" be "in" on an environment that changes so rapidly as Linux does? How can you say for certain where Linux has a role and where it doesn't? A move in the right direction, but the hacks still need some educating.....
What is the state of ATM, and is it worth it? I have worked with ATM several times, and keep coming back to the basic opinion that it stinks. Just like Token Ring stinks.
Hey Darl, lemme have some of that crack you are smoking! I have had some *fantastic* crack, but the shit you've got must be top of the line, what with all the shit you're spouting and all.....
Heh, if this turned into a trend, it could spell the end of an industry - the virus-removal industry. Imagine: Open Sourced, hunter-seeker virus removal worms, out in the wild nearly as fast as the original, cleaning up the mess some scridiot created in a fit of juvinle mischief. Somehow, I don't think the virus writer/scanner cartel will not let this become a trend.
With their Anti-Open Source software clauses still in place, the potential uptake for this platform is probably not going to be very high, especially among corporates that are increasingly looking for OSS.
Then there is the "Spyware" clause: These are just some of the EULA nasties. There is also, of course, the "can't use this to provide hosting or service" clause (because MS is seeking to corner that particular market). Good luck to all developers who agree to this. For those who do agree to this contract with MS, there is a large red man with cloven hoofs, horns and a funny tail that is mumbling something about "my contract is better".......
"Your sig is irrelevant to the context of our discussion, but I'll just mention in passing that the quote you have there is in reference to allowing doctors to smoke in hospitals. Yeah, sorry, we don't allow Iraqi doctors to smoke in our hospitals."
We don't allow Iraqi doctors to smoke in *our* hospitals? Yarmuk Central Hospital in Baghdad? That's not your hospital, unless the US now owns Iraq. Guess that makes it clear where you are coming from.... And while we are contextualising my sig, you may read the whole article, and notice that the officer in question forbids smoking a minute after somebody vomited blood all over the floor, the cleaner comes to mop it up, and then proceeds to mop the beds with the same mop and water, due to lack of cleaning materials. You bring the rules, but fail to bring the tools. How typical of a PHB. If that notion of freedom was no so pathetically tragic, it would be put in a Monthy Python sketch, and people would laugh over it.
How much more intelligent you would have seemed if you would have acknowledged how tragic the article in question was, as opposed to just trying to milk it for a cheap shot. You may brand me an "anti-american eurotrash fool, full of hatred" and all that, but that just goes to show how little you know of me, and is more an attestment of the simplistic polarity of your views. I do not judge character based on a couple of messages on a messageboard (unless it is blatently obvious). People who do that look stupid.
Oh, I see. I thought that was the Teflon Shoulder (tm) they had patented......
I'm not flaming, not at all. And yes, you are right. "Liars and Thieves" is a strong statement I cannot directly support. However, if you read the article, specifically the bit at the bottom (in the yellow block) then you would note that the bit at the bottom states:
.sig that critizises current US behaviour on the world stage combined with a pro-EU post considered by you to construe "full of hatred"?
"Even though European countries and some U.S. experts have suspected that different pavements can lower ever-increasing highway noise levels, researchers are the closest they've ever been to a viable, and more cost-effective solution. While engineers are still testing how durable quiet pavements really are, the Arizona Department of Transformation has resurfaced highways with rubberized asphalt for $325,000 per lane mile."
Call me paraniod, but it seems to imply "researchers have been breaking their heads over this, both in Europe as well as the US, but they are not yet sure. In US (hence, "Great American Invention") we are already way ahead, and are testing this stuff already. This overlooks the fact that this stuff has been in use in the EU for a long time, we know the strenghts, weaknesses, benefits (for example, top-coated two layer ZOAB will typically reduce sound by around 12db, and will increase the speed at which aquaplaning occurs to an absurdly high amount. Also, risk of frost is significantly reduced. Want to talk about environmental conditions?) and costs, as well as the endurance and maintenance requirements. This isn't an invention, in the EU this is a GOVERNMENT STANDARD. This is like Cal Tech claiming they are researching a new system of counting weight, and they discovered that 100 grams actually make up one kilogram. They are now looking how they can apply this new-found knowledge, and invent a way of reliably and consistently measuring up a Tonne. Hmmm.... what if I take lots of these kilogrammes I just invented......(before you answer, it is the metric system, another one of those EU government standards)
Anyway - I do know how the compounds differ - rubber was looked at very early in the research cycle of the Dutch compound, many years ago, and discarded for a variety of reasons, one rather obvious one being the fact that depositing tons of small rubber pallets in the ground is not very good for the environment. How are you going clean up the road at the end of the life-cycle? Also, cost of construction is high, as well as production cost.
I don't know where you see any "hatred" or "flaming of people" in my post. When you mention "full of hatred, flying off the handle, and flaminig people" I recall the opening scene of Lethal weapon 4 - the mad idiot with flamethrower. I am hardly on par with, as an online equivalent, don't you think? Or is the combination of a
Yeah, funny that. I noticed that *always* seems to happen right before everybody starts yelling "Oh Shit!". I keep telling them to stop saying "Oh Shit", so the power will stay up....
If you would have looked at the content of my post, you would have seen that it concerns a mixture of asphalt as well as concrete. ZOAB technology is now about 15 years old in backwards Europe, so we have gone ahead and recently invented a 2 layer mixture, where the top layer has a higher density then the bottom layer. this greatly reduces sound pollution, and has a much lower requirement for maintenance. It is also more environmentally friendly. To top it off, pun intended, there is a topcoat of a mixture of different polymers that act as a filter, letting water through, but at the same time keeping freezing temperatures out, doing away with the "black ice" phenomena - you know, a thin sheet of ice that is invisible, until you see the big pile-up ahead of you? It also reduces sound pollution more, but is more expensive.
I checked with a mate of mine that actually works on this stuff, and latest I heard, some USians are coming to see how it is done. We stopped playing with rubber about 25 years ago. Soon, you will learn that GSM makes for better cell networks, PAL is the better display standard, Open source is the way to go for software development and deployment (Europe leads the way in terms of OSS deployment, in terms of percentage as well as hard numbers.) and various other "Mysterious Happenings From The Future"
Blind anti-americanism, just because I think the US is silly for not adopting existing, tried and tested technologies - from their allies, of all things - rather then re-inventing the wheel? A troll, I say. Anyway, next time you need a "coalition partner" to give your oil-grabbing excercise a veneer of legitimacy, it will probably be an EU country you will be turning to. Eurotrash Indeed....
hehehe, very cool. but in fact, since it is government funded study that invented this in the first place, it is in fact open source. A tar is not available *grin*, but a PDF is.. It is in dutch though.....
leaving out the profanities, this isn't flamebait, modders, the guy has got a good point. It will probably be modded down into oblivion, so i'll just be postin a mirror - i've got karma to burn anyhow.
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Or maybe Linux isn't some sort of magical bug free OS where every buffer is checked, every race condition averted, and every service that runs on it is guaranteed bug free.
Good God. The fact you can post that comment...no. You're just too much of an unthinking hero-worshipping idiot for me to finish. Yes, it was an inside job or a weak password. Anything except a vulnerability. Yes.>br>
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A similar compound was invented in the Netherlands ages ago, using concrete (cheaper and easier to handle then rubber). It is called ZOAB ("Zeer Open Asfalt Beton", meaning "Very Open Asphalt Concrete") This highly porous material has several beneficial properties, such as being more quiet, and more efficient in draining water, thus preventing aquaplaning. It is a safer road, alltogether. Now some university is passing this off as a "Great American Invention"?!?!
Same thing happend with airport groundradar. A Norwegian Company invented a groundradar system for airports, allowing safer manouvering of aircraft in dense fog and other low viz situations. This delivered tremendous safety to airports. The FAA wanted it, but it had to be american - can't buy of those eurotrash companies and all that. 8 years down the line, and it still was not working. In the meantime, you have had about 33 near misses at o'hare alone.......
Obviously I shall now be modded down -50 "unpatriotic eurotrash bastard" whatever.
Hrmph. Not withstanding that fact that I use linux on 90% of my machines (i have ten, and 1 is a mac), I would not state that crashing linux is hard work. I have had issues, for example, with a compaq server running KDM, and a connection from a SPARC Debian box to KDM would send the compaq machine in a stupor, with only a blowing fan and slowly blinking numlock led as signs of life. Just one example.
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Every OS can be crashed, and Linux is not significantly harder or easier. It is just that with Open Source, world+dog will see what a tremendous asshole you have been, writing buggy code like that. Now, when coding proprietary stuff at work, you can probably get away with it, shifting the blame on your sacked co-worker, or coming up with a rather technical explanation of the situation to a boss that is probably clueless anyhow. With open source coding however, there are no excuses, and people will just start laughing every time you log on to IRC. You nerd-chick will stop writing you sexy emails and naughty, compromising emoticons, and you'll basically be branded a wannabe MCSD. Nobody would want that to happen, so the motivation to write good code is clearly present and persuasive with open source code...
Exactly. This attitude is really how things should be, in my opinion. Removing or disabling what is currently present is a totally different thing though, and is what makes people anxious.
Au contraire, it is highly likely. very few sites I visit on a regular basis (large investment banks, big Govt, departments, etc) stay with whatever compiler ships with their Unix. Most development shops would have dumped whatever was shipped, would have upgraded to a more recent GCC, and would now be in trouble. I have already had a call today from one bank that are anxious about their roadmap, and have started doing Intel compiler testruns, just in case....