I think you'll find the harrier was a damn site better fighter and ground attack aircraft than your giving it credit for. Theres a reason the US Marines still use them.
"sufficiently childishly naive to believe that no group of reasonable but powerful men ever turns evil?"
No , but in a democracy we have the option to vote them out and since we're talking about the West and not the world in general and since all western countries are democracies the argument for civil disobedience is only used by anarchist types who won't ever get their way via the ballot box and so seek to enforce their views on others using violence.
"don't grasp the whole idea of social status and it's effects on social relationships and health."
Spare me the left wing rhetoric. People of all social classes are living far longer than they ever did in the west and are generally a lot happier too. Perhaps you might like to check out the conditions even the victorian poor lived in - 10 to a house , 1 toilet to an entire street in some parts of Manchester. You think that was a happy life with everyone participating in some glorious arm-in-arm existence? Get real.
You want to see REAL poverty both physical and mental? Yes , visit some 3rd world refugee camps where the people would love to have the luxury of musing on the extent of their cultural participation in society. In the meantime save the specious philosphised whining for your weekly Marxist book club.
"I do disagree. I can not build a house. I can not raise livestock."
So what? What kind of nonsense argument is that? You can easily learn how to do it and go and do it if you want to. You think builders or farmers are some sort of super human?
Sounds to me in your case is not a case of not being free , its a case of having no initiative.
Right, because poor people don't have the vote, don't have any rights, don't have TVs, radio, computers, don't have better health than even people from 100 years ago, can't travel to where they please, can't work where they please, can't marry who they please, can't live where they please....
So no , you didn't FTFM. You just showed how ignorant you are.
Feudal strawman? Its was a fact of life for 95% of the population of medieval europe you idiot. Or am I only supposed to compare with small select parts of history where people were more free and had more rights than today? If so please fill us in on the exact locations and dates of these idylic times.
"If a man today, in the middle of the US, considers gathering a group of men to start an uprising "
Ah , you're an anarchist. Now it all makes sense - anyone who doesn't support the right to armed violence is an oppressor right? Yes , the anarchists inverse "logic".
Try an armed uprising (or in your case probably a bunch of drunk Billybobs in a pickup) in any country with any political system and see how far you get.
First Amendment? Spare me your Yankee centric view of the life - I'm not even American. Newsflash - not everything involving freedom in the western world revolves around what happened in 17th century Virginia!
"sense of freedom nearly as much as today's centralised and surveilled management of corporation and culture"
Well boo hoo for you. Must be tough living in the USA compared to living under Franco eh? Tell you what , quit your whining and move to somewhere more dictatorial then - Russia maybe, china or some African state.
"Meanwhile we have turned the majority of Western humans from independent men into chair-warming consumers singing in lockstep for trinkets."
I suggest you take off your rose coloured glasses and go read some history, in particular just how "free" your average serf was in feudal times and even later. Don't like what your overload or king does? Tough. Complain and you'll probably at best end up homeless or at worst end up swinging from a tree.
People in the west have NEVER been as free as they are now.
"So this raise the question, why the hell he is being targeted like that "
Surely you can't be so naive? He's being made an example of. Sure , someone else could stick their head above the parapet but if they know they'll get theirs blown off too they might not be so keen to do it.
Well , ok it uses technology - admittedly from 1991 - but I don't think thats quite what you meant.
And , what exactly is "open source thinking"? Other people get to peer into your mind and amend your thoughts for you if they don't look right? Isn't that what the CIA and KGB/FSB are supposed to do?
... which is why a lot of even supposedly liberal governments are making noises on clamping down on certain parts of the internet. And yes , there are always ways around, but unless you're technical you won't find them or be able to use them so that rules them out for 99% of the population.
So way to go all you wikileaks people, nice own goal with the freedom thing there.
Oh , and ssshhh! We won't mention Assanges mind bogglingly hypocritical whinge about his case details being leaked...
Yeeees , even basic. I've seen chess written in Basic FFS and I'm not talking VB.
"For modern programming, C++ is often too restrictive."
Sorry , what exactly is "modern programming"? If you mean bloated with a load of handholding for lego brick style programmers then you're probably right. Otherwise its a perfectly fine tool.
"E.g. implementing analogue of ObjC message dispatch is possible only with intricate low level hacks in asm (or using a 3rd party library which already does that for you)"
Oh please. Message dispatch is just a trendy name for runtime set up of function pointers. Go read about dynamic library objects you clueless gimp.
"Implementing Perl's eval{} is flat out impossible."
So what. You can say exactly the same thing about every programming language ever invented. YOu think all creative and original development in C++ is done and dusted?
Christ , who modded that crap +4? If you can't tell the difference between the entire realm of mathematics and a scripting language whose syntax can be summed up in 1 small book then perhaps you should stick to an abacus.
"I've been using Perl for over ten years now, and I find that I'm still learning something new about how to use the language in fascinating ways--pretty much every day."
If thats the case then either you never learnt it properly in the first place or the language is so hopelessly over complicated that it really needs to just go away and die peacefully. Its a programming language, not a dissertation by Wittgenstein - it should be logical, clear and simple.
Do fill us in on where the judges would get this reliable information from. They have experts in every area on standby at the end of a phone? Or do they just an encylopedia , maybe , gasp , even wikipedia?
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Or is that just too simple for these "dialects"?
Nice one :) If I had mods points you'd have got one.
.. are notorious for causing UFo reports. The float silently and flicker in strange ways and to the stupid that equals alien spacecraft.
I think you'll find the harrier was a damn site better fighter and ground attack aircraft than your giving it credit for. Theres a reason the US Marines still use them.
"pusillanimous lickspittle"
Yeah , ok grandad , whatever you say.
"sufficiently childishly naive to believe that no group of reasonable but powerful men ever turns evil?"
No , but in a democracy we have the option to vote them out and since we're talking about the West and not the world in general and since all western countries are democracies the argument for civil disobedience is only used by anarchist types who won't ever get their way via the ballot box and so seek to enforce their views on others using violence.
All complex societies rely on others to do work they can't do you fuckwit. You think every peasant in the middle ages could shoe a horse or sew?
Jeez , do people like you learn ANYTHING at school?
"When you can't afford health care your health comes at the price of debt,"
Health care is free in most european countries. But I forgot that you americans think the western world starts and ends at your borders.
"don't grasp the whole idea of social status and it's effects on social relationships and health."
Spare me the left wing rhetoric. People of all social classes are living far longer than they ever did in the west and are generally a lot happier too. Perhaps you might like to check out the conditions even the victorian poor lived in - 10 to a house , 1 toilet to an entire street in some parts of Manchester. You think that was a happy life with everyone participating in some glorious arm-in-arm existence? Get real.
You want to see REAL poverty both physical and mental? Yes , visit some 3rd world refugee camps where the people would love to have the luxury of musing on the extent of their cultural participation in society. In the meantime save the specious philosphised whining for your weekly Marxist book club.
"I do disagree. I can not build a house. I can not raise livestock."
So what? What kind of nonsense argument is that? You can easily learn how to do it and go and do it if you want to. You think builders or farmers are some sort of super human?
Sounds to me in your case is not a case of not being free , its a case of having no initiative.
We're both allowed to do and able to do more than ever before. If you disagree give examples to support your case.
Right, because poor people don't have the vote, don't have any rights, don't have TVs, radio, computers, don't have better health than even people from 100 years ago, can't travel to where they please, can't work where they please, can't marry who they please, can't live where they please....
So no , you didn't FTFM. You just showed how ignorant you are.
Feudal strawman? Its was a fact of life for 95% of the population of medieval europe you idiot. Or am I only supposed to compare with small select parts of history where people were more free and had more rights than today? If so please fill us in on the exact locations and dates of these idylic times.
"If a man today, in the middle of the US, considers gathering a group of men to start an uprising "
Ah , you're an anarchist. Now it all makes sense - anyone who doesn't support the right to armed violence is an oppressor right? Yes , the anarchists inverse "logic".
Try an armed uprising (or in your case probably a bunch of drunk Billybobs in a pickup) in any country with any political system and see how far you get.
Fucking moron.
First Amendment? Spare me your Yankee centric view of the life - I'm not even American. Newsflash - not everything involving freedom in the western world revolves around what happened in 17th century Virginia!
"sense of freedom nearly as much as today's centralised and surveilled management of corporation and culture"
Well boo hoo for you. Must be tough living in the USA compared to living under Franco eh? Tell you what , quit your whining and move to somewhere more dictatorial then - Russia maybe, china or some African state.
"Meanwhile we have turned the majority of Western humans from independent men into chair-warming consumers singing in lockstep for trinkets."
I suggest you take off your rose coloured glasses and go read some history, in particular just how "free" your average serf was in feudal times and even later. Don't like what your overload or king does? Tough. Complain and you'll probably at best end up homeless or at worst end up swinging from a tree.
People in the west have NEVER been as free as they are now.
So get yourself a fucking clue!
"So this raise the question, why the hell he is being targeted like that "
Surely you can't be so naive? He's being made an example of. Sure , someone else could stick their head above the parapet but if they know they'll get theirs blown off too they might not be so keen to do it.
Well , ok it uses technology - admittedly from 1991 - but I don't think thats quite what you meant.
And , what exactly is "open source thinking"? Other people get to peer into your mind and amend your thoughts for you if they don't look right? Isn't that what the CIA and KGB/FSB are supposed to do?
... which is why a lot of even supposedly liberal governments are making noises on clamping down on certain parts of the internet. And yes , there are always ways around, but unless you're technical you won't find them or be able to use them so that rules them out for 99% of the population.
So way to go all you wikileaks people, nice own goal with the freedom thing there.
Oh , and ssshhh! We won't mention Assanges mind bogglingly hypocritical whinge about his case details being leaked...
"Even BASIC??? You make me laugh. "
Yeeees , even basic. I've seen chess written in Basic FFS and I'm not talking VB.
"For modern programming, C++ is often too restrictive."
Sorry , what exactly is "modern programming"? If you mean bloated with a load of handholding for lego brick style programmers then you're probably right. Otherwise its a perfectly fine tool.
"E.g. implementing analogue of ObjC message dispatch is possible only with intricate low level hacks in asm (or using a 3rd party library which already does that for you)"
Oh please. Message dispatch is just a trendy name for runtime set up of function pointers. Go read about dynamic library objects you clueless gimp.
"Implementing Perl's eval{} is flat out impossible."
Care to remind us what Perl is written in?
So what. You can say exactly the same thing about every programming language ever invented. YOu think all creative and original development in C++ is done and dusted?
Christ , who modded that crap +4? If you can't tell the difference between the entire realm of mathematics and a scripting language whose syntax can be summed up in 1 small book then perhaps you should stick to an abacus.
If you still learning THE SAME FUCKING THING after 10 years then yes , it DOES suck. Or you do.
"I've been using Perl for over ten years now, and I find that I'm still learning something new about how to use the language in fascinating ways--pretty much every day."
If thats the case then either you never learnt it properly in the first place or the language is so hopelessly over complicated that it really needs to just go away and die peacefully. Its a programming language, not a dissertation by Wittgenstein - it should be logical, clear and simple.
I'm sure they would - in the 5 mins they're available before they're blocked.
Do fill us in on where the judges would get this reliable information from. They have experts in every area on standby at the end of a phone? Or do they just an encylopedia , maybe , gasp , even wikipedia?