Most people here hate outlook too, so why do you want a clone of exchange???
Because most users who have used Outlike like it and prefer it to other mail clients. And as others have pointed out Outlook isn't fully functional without Exchange.
The original question posed was how to replace Exchange, but really the question ought to be how to fully replicate the functionality of Exchange in conjunction with Outlook. So there are actually two separate questions that we need to ask:
Will someone produce complementary client and server software that does everything that Exchange does in conjunction with Outlook?
Will someone produce an Exchange server replacement that works flawlessly with Outlook?
The answer to the first question is of primary interest to those who prefer a complete, non-MS solution, while the answer to the second question is desired by those who are happy with Outlook but want to avoid using Exchange.
Since Microsoft controls both the client AND server software it has huge opportunities to make life difficult for anyone attempting to create an Exchange replacement. For this reason it ultimately makes more sense to replace both the client and server. This is obviously a huge amount of work, particularly when done to the level of integration and polish of Exchange/Outlook.
I'm evaluating the Bynari software now and looking for people with real-world experience with the server.
I evaluated it (Bynari Insight Server/Insight Connector) over a year ago while looking for suitable Exchange replacements. After my initial eagerness I was ultimately disappointed. At that time my perception was that Insight Connector was an inelegant, unreliable kludge. Very clever, but still nothing I'd consider putting on a desktop. It installed as an client extension to Outlook and behaved and looked like an external, intermediate mail process. It certainly wasn't transparent to the user and added delay and additional onscreen windows and messages that gave it a feel of a "bolt-on" solution. And several experiences of extended pauses while trying to retrieve mail fom the server (on the same LAN) and times when the connector software simply wouldn't do anything certainly wasn't confidence-inspiring.
Also, their Insight Server mail server component was little more than a collection of common open source IMAP/POP/LDAP software with an installer. I felt there was scant value added in additional functionality or ease of use.
Oh, yeah...forgot to mention: the original premise of the discussion was getting as many as 6 or so simultaneous audio streams going to different rooms. The actual data rate for 802.11b is less than 5.5Mbits/sec at best and most frequently much less. If your encoding method uses a high bit rate for good audio quality and your remote systems don't have perfect signal quality you may not be able to move the data quickly enough to feed all of your decoders without dropouts.
All good points, if you are building a dedicated computer network, but he's moving MP3s....very light duty...
He asked "Why would anyone use anything but wireless, networked devices?" and I told him why. My question is "Why would you want to build a dedicated AUDIO network?" Some people actually like the idea of getting the most out of their inexpensive but powerful computer hardware. To my mind, the beauty of a standardized hardware and software platform is its versatility. Why limit it to only audio?
But here is a more specific answer to his question: if you live in an apartment, townhouse, duplex, dorm, or in a neighborhood where the houses are close together, and somebody moves in next door and sets up equipment that interferes with your 802.11b radio frequencies...well, you're screwed.
Why would anyone use anything but wireless, networked devices? I don't get it, sorry.
I'd do it for the increased bandwidth and higher signal reliability (it has a better "signal/noise ratio"). You can send a hell of a lot of digital audio over a 100Mbit TP ethernet cable and have plenty of bandwidth left over for other uses. Can't say the same about 802.11b wireless. Add a switch to the equation and there's no comparison. Wireless has its place, but if you want to move a lot of data cheaply and reliably it's hard to beat copper.
And who knows how long before we have affordable gigabit ethernet? Of course, GB ethernet is total overkill for digital audio and the devices require a faster bus than standard 32 bit PCI to move the data to the NIC at full speed. But the cool thing about fast networks is that you can begin to move data between devices at rates approaching the speed you can retrieve it locally. This is a real benefit for diskless workstations.
Oh, yeah...before I forget: How about using cheap old notebook computers for your local audio and control? You can get ones with decent digital audio chips and decent processor speeds on eBay for a song. Add a quick network connection and you're good to go!
My mother used to run VMS 'for fun'. I don't think I would dare show her Lindows and ask her what she thinks, she might cut my head off and feed it to the dog before catapulting my decapitated body into Michael Robertson's back
The next step for Lindows would be a disk that you put in a Windows PC that does some trickery to store your set up somewhere, install Lindows, then restore it.
Think of all the reasons you wouldn't buy that. Then tell me why Novell services on Linux are such a grand idea.
It is a grand idea because no current Linux distribution provides all the features and functions of Novell services, certainly not as well as Novell does. Options are good. You can take 'em or leave 'em.
Playing.WAV Sound Files. Longtime NetWare users may be familiar with the FIRE PHASERS login script command that generates a sound during the processing of the login script. NetWare Client 32 ships with a PHASERS.WAV sound file that is played by default when the FIRE PHASERS command is issued in login script.
Once again, Google provides the answer if you know how to ask the question.
Uhm, talking about planets...: No, that's the US version of free speech, codified in the first amendment. The US is not the whole planet, and for quite a lot of the rest of the planet, that's insufficient protection.
DUH! The protest is happening in the U.S., so I'd think it obvious to everyone that the laws of the U.S. are applicable. Apparently you aren't familiar with the idiomatic expression "What planet are YOU on"--here in the U.S. it can be interpreted as "Are you as clueless about U.S. law as a Norwegian is about U.S. idiomatic expressions?";^)
i m not justifying any of these, but SCO employees have their right of free speech as well. SCO management can not stop them, nor do they have to.
Yeah, right. What planet are YOU on?
The right of free speech is a restriction preventing the government from limiting your speech. It is standard practice for companies to tell their employees what they should and shouldn't say to the press.
Do you think for an instant that SCO would allow any of their employees to keep their jobs if they stood out their and SUPPORTED the protestors? That would be a MEANINGFUL test of their right of free speech. If the company didn't want them to come "out of the SCO building with pre-prepared posters for the protest" do you think they would allow them to? Their lawyers would most certainly have sent memos around telling the employees exactly how they were expected to behave.
In short, the notion that these folks aren't supported by SCO or that SCO wouldn't stop them if they didn't support such activities is ludicrous and absurd. Anyone who would harbor such delusions should seek professional help.
It makes me hate to be a killjoy and point out that unless you've got some kind of venting system, storing liquid nitrogen in a thermos-like container for any length of time is hazardous. Eventually it picks up some heat and starts to boil, and that vapor pressure will go somewhere.
I recall being told of another hazard of liquid nitrogen. The story goes that if a container of liquid nitrogen is left open it will condense liquid oxygen out of the air, causing a potential fire/explosion hazard should the liquid oxygen come in contact with a reducing agent.
I found this interesting dialect survey that plots the answers to the question "What is your generic term for a sweetened carbonated beverage?" on a US map using different colors to indicate which terms were predominant in a given region...check it out:
No, its soda, and your argument proves it. Its called soda because it's made with soda water aka bicarbonate of soda, bicarbonate of soda is aka baking soda.
I guess none of you are old enough to remember when it was called "Soda Pop." Both "soda" and "pop" are simplifications of the longer term. "Pop" does tend to be used more in the east and midwest, and "soda" more on the west coast.
anyone else think casemods are just a bit lame or am I just feeling particularly negative today?
My personal opinion is that case mods are silly. The phenomenon reminds me of people who buy cars (usually Hondas and Mitsubishis around here) and put lots of unnecessary aftermarket items and product logos on them that do nothing to improve their functionality or performance. There is a long tradition of people who do this. I wish these people had better things to do with their time and money.
Here's what I want from a case:
excellent airflow with minimal turbulence
a place for a large (say 120mm), quiet variable RPM fan
room for all the components I want to add, particularly a few hard drives and optical drives
if you count the power supply as part of the case: a good power supply that uses quality components, has decent current capacity, a quiet variable speed fan, and plenty of reasonably long power connector cables
no sharp edges on the sheet metal
a removable, cleanable, durable air filter
some connectors in the front panel with usable cable connectors (I use USB frequently and may need IEEE 1394 sometime soon)
drive rails...I like 'em
properly recessed power/reset switch buttons
easily visible drive activity and power lights
good ergonomic design
minimal use of removable, easily lost screws
built like a rock...I like a case sturdy enough that you can stand on it
I'm about halfway through New Kind of Science, and to be honest, it's pretty disappointing. Kinda like waiting through the last hour of that Skinamax movie waiting for the cute chick to take her top off - you know the payoff ain't gonna be worth it, but you slog along anyways...
Thanks for the head's up. With a book this big I'm looking at a major investment of my time...and I hate when my large investments don't pay off.:)
On the other hand, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just about the wildest thing I've ever read. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trial '72 is hilarious as well. Just picture Hunter and Nixon side by side at the urinal...
I'm in complete agreement with you. The only reason I didn't mention Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 (one of the best works on the '72 Presidential campaign) is that I didn't want to load the post down with too many books. HST's book Hell's Angels is also a worthwhile read.
Gee, seems that nobody has anything particularly important to say about the topic of the post...virtually all the comments are off-topic.
I believe the difficulty of defining the kilogram is twofold. We traditionally measure mass as weight, the attraction of mass by gravity (usually the Earth's gravity). But it is difficult to measure either quantity precisely.
Mass is usually defined as the number of atoms of a given atomic weight, a difficult thing to measure accurately given the total number of atoms in a gram of any element. And due to the weakness of the gravitational force and its attraction over considerable distances it is one of the forces that has been difficult to measure as accurately as other forces, leaving the Gravitational Constant (G) as one of the physical constants defined to a relatively lower degree of accuracy than most other universal constants. The difficulty of measuring both these quantities accurately at the same time combine to make it difficult to define a precise standard mass.
Deer. We've got bad deer problems where I come from. It's gotten so bad the children are afraid to go to school.
Gee, your deer must be pretty damn dangerous to require a fully automatic weapon for their dispatch. I figure most deer hunters can take care of business with a.306 semi-auto rifle.
Real bad DEER problems? The folks in Oakland, CA are laughing their heads off at you right now. They'll tell you why they need full auto...and why many of them have it, right now. Hint--it ain't deer they're afraid of....
It looks clean and organized but also rather bland and generic. Also, I like more contrast between my text and background than the dark grey on light grey color scheme chosen by Radu. I think greater contrast makes the text more distinct and easier to read.
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Because most users who have used Outlike like it and prefer it to other mail clients. And as others have pointed out Outlook isn't fully functional without Exchange.
The original question posed was how to replace Exchange, but really the question ought to be how to fully replicate the functionality of Exchange in conjunction with Outlook. So there are actually two separate questions that we need to ask:
- Will someone produce complementary client and server software that does everything that Exchange does in conjunction with Outlook?
- Will someone produce an Exchange server replacement that works flawlessly with Outlook?
The answer to the first question is of primary interest to those who prefer a complete, non-MS solution, while the answer to the second question is desired by those who are happy with Outlook but want to avoid using Exchange.Since Microsoft controls both the client AND server software it has huge opportunities to make life difficult for anyone attempting to create an Exchange replacement. For this reason it ultimately makes more sense to replace both the client and server. This is obviously a huge amount of work, particularly when done to the level of integration and polish of Exchange/Outlook.
I'm evaluating the Bynari software now and looking for people with real-world experience with the server.
I evaluated it (Bynari Insight Server/Insight Connector) over a year ago while looking for suitable Exchange replacements. After my initial eagerness I was ultimately disappointed. At that time my perception was that Insight Connector was an inelegant, unreliable kludge. Very clever, but still nothing I'd consider putting on a desktop. It installed as an client extension to Outlook and behaved and looked like an external, intermediate mail process. It certainly wasn't transparent to the user and added delay and additional onscreen windows and messages that gave it a feel of a "bolt-on" solution. And several experiences of extended pauses while trying to retrieve mail fom the server (on the same LAN) and times when the connector software simply wouldn't do anything certainly wasn't confidence-inspiring.
Also, their Insight Server mail server component was little more than a collection of common open source IMAP/POP/LDAP software with an installer. I felt there was scant value added in additional functionality or ease of use.
Oh, yeah...forgot to mention: the original premise of the discussion was getting as many as 6 or so simultaneous audio streams going to different rooms. The actual data rate for 802.11b is less than 5.5Mbits/sec at best and most frequently much less. If your encoding method uses a high bit rate for good audio quality and your remote systems don't have perfect signal quality you may not be able to move the data quickly enough to feed all of your decoders without dropouts.
All good points, if you are building a dedicated computer network, but he's moving MP3s....very light duty...
He asked "Why would anyone use anything but wireless, networked devices?" and I told him why. My question is "Why would you want to build a dedicated AUDIO network?" Some people actually like the idea of getting the most out of their inexpensive but powerful computer hardware. To my mind, the beauty of a standardized hardware and software platform is its versatility. Why limit it to only audio?
But here is a more specific answer to his question: if you live in an apartment, townhouse, duplex, dorm, or in a neighborhood where the houses are close together, and somebody moves in next door and sets up equipment that interferes with your 802.11b radio frequencies...well, you're screwed.
Why would anyone use anything but wireless, networked devices? I don't get it, sorry.
I'd do it for the increased bandwidth and higher signal reliability (it has a better "signal/noise ratio"). You can send a hell of a lot of digital audio over a 100Mbit TP ethernet cable and have plenty of bandwidth left over for other uses. Can't say the same about 802.11b wireless. Add a switch to the equation and there's no comparison. Wireless has its place, but if you want to move a lot of data cheaply and reliably it's hard to beat copper.
And who knows how long before we have affordable gigabit ethernet? Of course, GB ethernet is total overkill for digital audio and the devices require a faster bus than standard 32 bit PCI to move the data to the NIC at full speed. But the cool thing about fast networks is that you can begin to move data between devices at rates approaching the speed you can retrieve it locally. This is a real benefit for diskless workstations.
Oh, yeah...before I forget: How about using cheap old notebook computers for your local audio and control? You can get ones with decent digital audio chips and decent processor speeds on eBay for a song. Add a quick network connection and you're good to go!
So good I just patented it. Thanks, glesga kiss!
Prior art! Prior art!
My mother used to run VMS 'for fun'. I don't think I would dare show her Lindows and ask her what she thinks, she might cut my head off and feed it to the dog before catapulting my decapitated body into Michael Robertson's back
Penis envy?
The next step for Lindows would be a disk that you put in a Windows PC that does some trickery to store your set up somewhere, install Lindows, then restore it.
Good idea.
Man all these mom jokes... You nerds seem to dig on old ladies...
Not HALF as much as the old ladies dig us nerds!
It is a grand idea because no current Linux distribution provides all the features and functions of Novell services, certainly not as well as Novell does. Options are good. You can take 'em or leave 'em.
From Novell's APPNOTES:
Once again, Google provides the answer if you know how to ask the question.
Uhm, talking about planets...: No, that's the US version of free speech, codified in the first amendment. The US is not the whole planet, and for quite a lot of the rest of the planet, that's insufficient protection.
;^)
DUH! The protest is happening in the U.S., so I'd think it obvious to everyone that the laws of the U.S. are applicable. Apparently you aren't familiar with the idiomatic expression "What planet are YOU on"--here in the U.S. it can be interpreted as "Are you as clueless about U.S. law as a Norwegian is about U.S. idiomatic expressions?"
Yeah, right. What planet are YOU on?
- The right of free speech is a restriction preventing the government from limiting your speech. It is standard practice for companies to tell their employees what they should and shouldn't say to the press.
- Do you think for an instant that SCO would allow any of their employees to keep their jobs if they stood out their and SUPPORTED the protestors? That would be a MEANINGFUL test of their right of free speech. If the company didn't want them to come "out of the SCO building with pre-prepared posters for the protest" do you think they would allow them to? Their lawyers would most certainly have sent memos around telling the employees exactly how they were expected to behave.
In short, the notion that these folks aren't supported by SCO or that SCO wouldn't stop them if they didn't support such activities is ludicrous and absurd. Anyone who would harbor such delusions should seek professional help.It makes me hate to be a killjoy and point out that unless you've got some kind of venting system, storing liquid nitrogen in a thermos-like container for any length of time is hazardous. Eventually it picks up some heat and starts to boil, and that vapor pressure will go somewhere.
I recall being told of another hazard of liquid nitrogen. The story goes that if a container of liquid nitrogen is left open it will condense liquid oxygen out of the air, causing a potential fire/explosion hazard should the liquid oxygen come in contact with a reducing agent.
I found this interesting dialect survey that plots the answers to the question "What is your generic term for a sweetened carbonated beverage?" on a US map using different colors to indicate which terms were predominant in a given region...check it out:
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~golder/dialect/staticmaps
Hm. I was born and raised in Seattle and nobody I know calls it soda.
:^)
Seattle? Heck, that's almost in Canada.
Most everyone in California calls it soda.
No, its soda, and your argument proves it. Its called soda because it's made with soda water aka bicarbonate of soda, bicarbonate of soda is aka baking soda.
I guess none of you are old enough to remember when it was called "Soda Pop." Both "soda" and "pop" are simplifications of the longer term. "Pop" does tend to be used more in the east and midwest, and "soda" more on the west coast.
I'll get excited about Jabber when I see truly stable, usable client and server implementations. Until then it's just another protocol.
My personal opinion is that case mods are silly. The phenomenon reminds me of people who buy cars (usually Hondas and Mitsubishis around here) and put lots of unnecessary aftermarket items and product logos on them that do nothing to improve their functionality or performance. There is a long tradition of people who do this. I wish these people had better things to do with their time and money.
Here's what I want from a case:
I'm about halfway through New Kind of Science, and to be honest, it's pretty disappointing. Kinda like waiting through the last hour of that Skinamax movie waiting for the cute chick to take her top off - you know the payoff ain't gonna be worth it, but you slog along anyways...
:)
Thanks for the head's up. With a book this big I'm looking at a major investment of my time...and I hate when my large investments don't pay off.
On the other hand, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just about the wildest thing I've ever read. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trial '72 is hilarious as well. Just picture Hunter and Nixon side by side at the urinal...
I'm in complete agreement with you. The only reason I didn't mention Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 (one of the best works on the '72 Presidential campaign) is that I didn't want to load the post down with too many books. HST's book Hell's Angels is also a worthwhile read.
- Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
- Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
- Propaganda by Jacques Ellul
- Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
And here is a book I'm working on now...I'm still about 1,100 pages from knowing if it will deliver the goods:Why on *earth* would someone moderate my previous post--one of the few on-topic posts--a *Troll*????
I find this quite discouraging.
Gee, seems that nobody has anything particularly important to say about the topic of the post...virtually all the comments are off-topic.
I believe the difficulty of defining the kilogram is twofold. We traditionally measure mass as weight, the attraction of mass by gravity (usually the Earth's gravity). But it is difficult to measure either quantity precisely.
Mass is usually defined as the number of atoms of a given atomic weight, a difficult thing to measure accurately given the total number of atoms in a gram of any element. And due to the weakness of the gravitational force and its attraction over considerable distances it is one of the forces that has been difficult to measure as accurately as other forces, leaving the Gravitational Constant (G) as one of the physical constants defined to a relatively lower degree of accuracy than most other universal constants. The difficulty of measuring both these quantities accurately at the same time combine to make it difficult to define a precise standard mass.
Deer. We've got bad deer problems where I come from. It's gotten so bad the children are afraid to go to school.
.306 semi-auto rifle.
Gee, your deer must be pretty damn dangerous to require a fully automatic weapon for their dispatch. I figure most deer hunters can take care of business with a
Real bad DEER problems? The folks in Oakland, CA are laughing their heads off at you right now. They'll tell you why they need full auto...and why many of them have it, right now. Hint--it ain't deer they're afraid of....
It looks clean and organized but also rather bland and generic. Also, I like more contrast between my text and background than the dark grey on light grey color scheme chosen by Radu. I think greater contrast makes the text more distinct and easier to read.