Windows dosent need a book to use it in a simple way. Computers are now seen as powerfull tools that saves you time! When you are not a computer geek, reading a book to learn how to use the computer is WASTED time. What could be nice is a really simplest-default-configured and already installed KDE without too much features visible at first, as it is scary and obligate to learn why there is that much apps installed if they are for the same use. Simplicity dosent need a book.
The book is maybe a good thing for people with much of free time and willing to really learn someting.
But my point in this post is that I think it could be better to concentrate this kind of energy (wanting to see F/OSS more used by public) in developing and organising a really easy way to use a desktop computer. KDE seems the best at this time but there are still too much things to understand and learn to make it as main stream as it could be.
A desktop environement for the end user should be as choiceless as possible. Include everything the user basicly needs and its gonna be OK.
Having choice between many programs force you to think about why use this or this, and the end users dont want to burn this kind of energy on their personal computers.
KDE is near getting a damn good windows alternative. More homogeneity, being enough fast and eye candy, I think thats the good way.
the mirror is 16x slower than the original page. If this is not called karma whoring, Darl is the one who first wrote the linux kernel before linus steal it.
Why arguments coming from Tenenbaum should value more than the ones of Ken Brown and his institution? They are both human and both should be considerated as equal.
If they can evoluate, why not try to show them how to find the best solution on a given computer program? I'd like to see how a robot could work on his own code too, to try to always be faster.
Given the fact these robots (programs after all) can evoluate/learn and re-use this evolution, they should be able to learn until their hardware limis them.
As I see it, its all about a really basic but really well done base code, who will start the comparison, memory and self-modification of the comparison code that will make it evoluate.
It is impossible to leech torrents, but its possible to not seed one if your close it just as you finished the download. But... knowing that it is the "tracker" who verify if you upload before letting you download, a modified tracker could allow such a thing. If I was an owner of a big tracker server (example: suprnova), I'd let my own IP as leech for sure. Doing it for many people is just stupid and would of course kill the bittorrent usefulness.
Which of these the governements around the world will choose? Free market is a neat thing, but when it makes corporation more powerful than the governement, it look like a bad thing. Why do you americans think the free of free market is the meaning of real liberty? Why not reconsider what should be sold and what not? The internet and the digital medias now makes the distribution of them an all differant thing. Do we want the corporations to become richer, or we want the population having a real liberty in their own country? Cash earned for working make people happy. Accumulation of this cash makes everyone but you, less happy. There is no more good arguments to support capitalism when we see what is happening now.
Its not paranoia, when you consider that this is the beginning of what corporation can do with the technologies.
Hey, arent linux and free software about liberty? Now you wont have the choice of buying the cheap hardware you want because linux does not support it. that sucks. Supporting the more hardware is still the best, not choosing what people should buy because we had the same and the drivers we coded or simply installed worked OK. I understand vendors dosent seems to care enough about the linux desktop and the needed drivers for now, but before this can happen, the most drivers exist for linux the faster it will make people using linux for desktop and then drivers will not be this kind of issue anymore.
These people will not be happy to miss the good content only available online, as there is already some kind of. Thats because broadband is not enough broad and "everywhere" that companies who have to sell and distribute heavy content does not currently do it. Thinking that a slow connection is enough is the same as not thinking about what next in 4 days, or maybe 6. Humans should not refuse a faster and better way to communicate.
WHY a research should be classified? is it for developing new weapon to kill more people in less time with a new technology? How a country's governement can hide things to his own population while it is his own funds!? Is it secret because the people would be AGAINST such researches? That is not democracy.
It was never showed that cooperation helps to developping ANYTHING?
open source is the proof that cooperation is more efficiant than competition. someone motivated in a powerfull team will inovate. no need for competition. why is there many open source projects for one existing goal? well, maybe the omnipresent capitalism in our world have an (bad) influence about the way we work to make things work.
2 (or more) open source projects who head for the same goal is (almost) pure absurdism. there is a scientific way to verify which app is the best. there is many aspect too look at in the source and in the benchmark to detemine the best one. that is why people and project dosent merge together. but it should happen at least before the project begin.
we talk about a science here, there is one good and better way to make things. one human cant find the good way himself and this is pretty logic. why not help each other and get the best result after the work is done (or at least from the progress of it).
humans are still too stupid for wanting helping each other whatever the country they are from.
short term view, getting more cash, dying knowing you had enough cash to have the possibility of being an happy human X 1000.
dont expect better moderating from slashdot users. slashdot also have his own crowd of "joe sixpack" average which is of course not the same as the one of a country, but it still exist (in majority!). i cant exactly describe how the popular slashdot "joe" moderate here, but the mod points wont be given with a total and deep (scientific) analysis of the post each time the Moderate button is pushed. for some heavier discutions you should visit something like kuro5hin.org (which i dont really well know), just a suggestion.
something frustrating with slashdot is the non-scientific zealotry about things that are so much scientific themselves. programming languages for example. there was a story this week who bringed many discution about which programming language was for what. there was some post who explained really well the situations and they merited their score of 5. but many other 5 modded posts were really badly overrrated. thats bad.
i think about a site who could make an inteligent and relatively neutral synthesis of important slashdot discutions, which slashdot story themselves could link once the story became read-only mode. a kind of strongly modetared and monitored WIKI of post discutions.
how can he (gates) help the poors of our world to get some education while not encouraging the open source movement? If you want the people on earth being well educated and more intelligent, then you normally also want to use the open source philosophy as the way to make the world better.
I am fully thinking the same as you. Linux itself exist because there are existing standards. Computers architecture is a tree of standard compliant things. isnt that absurd many distros are still maintained? because linux is open source and you technically make what you want with it, its easy to create one customizable distro. This one will maybe look like slackware or debian once you will have customized it as you want it, but at least there always be the same OS standard at his base. think if intel had many employees who was working on the same processor but not choosing to work on the same exact standards because the other one dont fits his needs! common, we are all humans and our needs arent that diferant to have to use diferants standards in our distros.
And think. Think about WHY the standard exist? because people got together to find out the best solution to a problem. is every distro manager a god who KNOW how this should be? Because computers is a SCIENCE, there always will be needs of tight and respected standards to make things works the better together. YES humans have diferants needs but the power of a computer is that it can easily run application desinged to be fully customizable to fulfill the goal of makes everybody happy of what he use.
Kde or any other standard linux desktop environnement should have in common a really high level and *simple* programming language. Many not-so-skilled programmers are developing thousands of apps usefull-for-enduser under windows with visual basic. No one should underevalutate the number of VB-only coders. Maybe VB is not the most used language in big windows based apps projects, but some programmers begin with VB and eventually learn C and/or C++, ASM, Java. Even if the big projects arent coded in VB, there is actually a couple of good programs sold by vb coders.
If there was an easy to use and learn language like VB under the linux desktops, the open source community could profit of many more (begginers)coders, which is good.
i dont think it could be an enormous differance for the moment if we think about the linux desktop solution popularity, but it could for sure accelerate this solution visibility at middle-term, which is good.
First, even the capitalists who care about keeping ressources longer is simply trying to keep his business to last longer, not to help people around to get their part of what they could have took right now in a massive quantity.
Second, sure there will always be people less intelligent. But i'm also sure that the separation between the more intelligent ones and the stupid ones could be impressively shrinked. Its about education. I would like to know the percentage of the potential intelligence by the normal human body with the correct needed food and best education as possible during the childhood. I'm ready to bet that everyone of us start relatively close in term of potential of inteligence, who ever are our parents. Then come our parents, who will educate us and physicaly feed us which will make a enermous differance between each other intelligence. I'd like to know more at this exact subject...
third: i understand you have the liberty of sharing or selling what you coded. But rationaly, what do you think is the best for the science advancements? If you could get paid and could easily live with the cash given to you to produce free code, would you still refuse the job and want a independent emplyer that will pay you the same but keep the source closed?
Finally, i'm saying that not wanting to share your source is your personnal choice, but this choice obviously not profit to the rest of the world. But of course, it profit to you. yourself.;) (note that if people around you feel that the code you shared can help us, they will certainly be willing to help you in return, whichever for what or why. At the opposite, i often see people getting jealous about people being rich because they are good at what they do and get big wages and big houses and cars for the same reason. jealous people are statisticly not really willing to help) I mean, sharing the code can make someone jealous because he realise that is own code was shitty, but the worst thing he can do with his anger is to code something better and share it or take the code of the same guy and make it better by patching and submiting the patches. Selling the work that he think is better is not that good... because people will already had bought one of the product! dammit! even if they try the demo they wont be atracted to buy the app, because they bought the other some months before. The open source often post update fast and they are free. You can test and choose which one to adopt without paying for any license then...
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Windows dosent need a book to use it in a simple way.
Computers are now seen as powerfull tools that saves you time!
When you are not a computer geek, reading a book to learn how to use the computer is WASTED time.
What could be nice is a really simplest-default-configured and already installed KDE without too much features visible at first, as it is scary and obligate to learn why there is that much apps installed if they are for the same use.
Simplicity dosent need a book.
The book is maybe a good thing for people with much of free time and willing to really learn someting.
But my point in this post is that I think it could be better to concentrate this kind of energy (wanting to see F/OSS more used by public) in developing and organising a really easy way to use a desktop computer. KDE seems the best at this time but there are still too much things to understand and learn to make it as main stream as it could be.
Thats bad that you posted a so insighful post as Anonymous Coward.
Trolling never really profits to anyone, including the ones who laugh.
I'm totally agreeing with you on this.
A desktop environement for the end user should be as choiceless as possible. Include everything the user basicly needs and its gonna be OK.
Having choice between many programs force you to think about why use this or this, and the end users dont want to burn this kind of energy on their personal computers.
KDE is near getting a damn good windows alternative. More homogeneity, being enough fast and eye candy, I think thats the good way.
and more money.
stop trolling
http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/blog/code/PeriodicT able.pdf
I the only one who saw the adobe acrobat plugin for firefox on his knees loading this?
the mirror is 16x slower than the original page.
If this is not called karma whoring, Darl is the one who first wrote the linux kernel before linus steal it.
Why arguments coming from Tenenbaum should value more than the ones of Ken Brown and his institution?
They are both human and both should be considerated as equal.
Jesus loves us all
my bad.
how mysql could be compared with websphere, as they are not meant for the same thing?
If they can evoluate, why not try to show them how to find the best solution on a given computer program?
I'd like to see how a robot could work on his own code too, to try to always be faster.
Given the fact these robots (programs after all) can evoluate/learn and re-use this evolution, they should be able to learn until their hardware limis them.
As I see it, its all about a really basic but really well done base code, who will start the comparison, memory and self-modification of the comparison code that will make it evoluate.
Thats a really interesting subject
To be heard, Moore seems to have to use the things he talk against. Which seems a good thing to me.
It is impossible to leech torrents, but its possible to not seed one if your close it just as you finished the download.
But... knowing that it is the "tracker" who verify if you upload before letting you download, a modified tracker could allow such a thing.
If I was an owner of a big tracker server (example: suprnova), I'd let my own IP as leech for sure.
Doing it for many people is just stupid and would of course kill the bittorrent usefulness.
Which of these the governements around the world will choose?
Free market is a neat thing, but when it makes corporation more powerful than the governement, it look like a bad thing.
Why do you americans think the free of free market is the meaning of real liberty?
Why not reconsider what should be sold and what not? The internet and the digital medias now makes the distribution of them an all differant thing.
Do we want the corporations to become richer, or we want the population having a real liberty in their own country?
Cash earned for working make people happy. Accumulation of this cash makes everyone but you, less happy.
There is no more good arguments to support capitalism when we see what is happening now.
Its not paranoia, when you consider that this is the beginning of what corporation can do with the technologies.
End-of-Life, oh my god.
Will my box still boot?
"ahahhaha"
This was the real "5 Funny" one.
Wishing this current joke isnt overused here too (first time I see it, though)
Hey, arent linux and free software about liberty?
Now you wont have the choice of buying the cheap hardware you want because linux does not support it. that sucks.
Supporting the more hardware is still the best, not choosing what people should buy because we had the same and the drivers we coded or simply installed worked OK.
I understand vendors dosent seems to care enough about the linux desktop and the needed drivers for now, but before this can happen, the most drivers exist for linux the faster it will make people using linux for desktop and then drivers will not be this kind of issue anymore.
These people will not be happy to miss the good content only available online, as there is already some kind of.
Thats because broadband is not enough broad and "everywhere" that companies who have to sell and distribute heavy content does not currently do it.
Thinking that a slow connection is enough is the same as not thinking about what next in 4 days, or maybe 6.
Humans should not refuse a faster and better way to communicate.
WHY a research should be classified?
is it for developing new weapon to kill more people in less time with a new technology?
How a country's governement can hide things to his own population while it is his own funds!?
Is it secret because the people would be AGAINST such researches? That is not democracy.
It was never showed that cooperation helps to developping ANYTHING?
open source is the proof that cooperation is more efficiant than competition.
someone motivated in a powerfull team will inovate. no need for competition.
why is there many open source projects for one existing goal? well, maybe the omnipresent capitalism in our world have an (bad) influence about the way we work to make things work.
2 (or more) open source projects who head for the same goal is (almost) pure absurdism. there is a scientific way to verify which app is the best. there is many aspect too look at in the source and in the benchmark to detemine the best one. that is why people and project dosent merge together. but it should happen at least before the project begin.
we talk about a science here, there is one good and better way to make things. one human cant find the good way himself and this is pretty logic. why not help each other and get the best result after the work is done (or at least from the progress of it).
humans are still too stupid for wanting helping each other whatever the country they are from.
short term view, getting more cash, dying knowing you had enough cash to have the possibility of being an happy human X 1000.
dont expect better moderating from slashdot users. slashdot also have his own crowd of "joe sixpack" average which is of course not the same as the one of a country, but it still exist (in majority!). i cant exactly describe how the popular slashdot "joe" moderate here, but the mod points wont be given with a total and deep (scientific) analysis of the post each time the Moderate button is pushed. for some heavier discutions you should visit something like kuro5hin.org (which i dont really well know), just a suggestion.
something frustrating with slashdot is the non-scientific zealotry about things that are so much scientific themselves. programming languages for example. there was a story this week who bringed many discution about which programming language was for what. there was some post who explained really well the situations and they merited their score of 5. but many other 5 modded posts were really badly overrrated. thats bad.
i think about a site who could make an inteligent and relatively neutral synthesis of important slashdot discutions, which slashdot story themselves could link once the story became read-only mode. a kind of strongly modetared and monitored WIKI of post discutions.
how can he (gates) help the poors of our world to get some education while not encouraging the open source movement? If you want the people on earth being well educated and more intelligent, then you normally also want to use the open source philosophy as the way to make the world better.
I am fully thinking the same as you. Linux itself exist because there are existing standards.
Computers architecture is a tree of standard compliant things. isnt that absurd many distros are still maintained? because linux is open source and you technically make what you want with it, its easy to create one customizable distro. This one will maybe look like slackware or debian once you will have customized it as you want it, but at least there always be the same OS standard at his base.
think if intel had many employees who was working on the same processor but not choosing to work on the same exact standards because the other one dont fits his needs! common, we are all humans and our needs arent that diferant to have to use diferants standards in our distros.
And think. Think about WHY the standard exist? because people got together to find out the best solution to a problem. is every distro manager a god who KNOW how this should be? Because computers is a SCIENCE, there always will be needs of tight and respected standards to make things works the better together. YES humans have diferants needs but the power of a computer is that it can easily run application desinged to be fully customizable to fulfill the goal of makes everybody happy of what he use.
isnt that logic?
Kde or any other standard linux desktop environnement should have in common a really high level and *simple* programming language.
Many not-so-skilled programmers are developing thousands of apps usefull-for-enduser under windows with visual basic.
No one should underevalutate the number of VB-only coders.
Maybe VB is not the most used language in big windows based apps projects, but some programmers begin with VB and eventually learn C and/or C++, ASM, Java.
Even if the big projects arent coded in VB, there is actually a couple of good programs sold by vb coders.
If there was an easy to use and learn language like VB under the linux desktops, the open source community could profit of many more (begginers)coders, which is good.
i dont think it could be an enormous differance for the moment if we think about the linux desktop solution popularity, but it could for sure accelerate this solution visibility at middle-term, which is good.
What do you think about it?
Thanks for your reply.
;)
First, even the capitalists who care about keeping ressources longer is simply trying to keep his business to last longer, not to help people around to get their part of what they could have took right now in a massive quantity.
Second, sure there will always be people less intelligent. But i'm also sure that the separation between the more intelligent ones and the stupid ones could be impressively shrinked. Its about education. I would like to know the percentage of the potential intelligence by the normal human body with the correct needed food and best education as possible during the childhood. I'm ready to bet that everyone of us start relatively close in term of potential of inteligence, who ever are our parents. Then come our parents, who will educate us and physicaly feed us which will make a enermous differance between each other intelligence.
I'd like to know more at this exact subject...
third: i understand you have the liberty of sharing or selling what you coded. But rationaly, what do you think is the best for the science advancements? If you could get paid and could easily live with the cash given to you to produce free code, would you still refuse the job and want a independent emplyer that will pay you the same but keep the source closed?
Finally, i'm saying that not wanting to share your source is your personnal choice, but this choice obviously not profit to the rest of the world. But of course, it profit to you. yourself.
(note that if people around you feel that the code you shared can help us, they will certainly be willing to help you in return, whichever for what or why. At the opposite, i often see people getting jealous about people being rich because they are good at what they do and get big wages and big houses and cars for the same reason. jealous people are statisticly not really willing to help)
I mean, sharing the code can make someone jealous because he realise that is own code was shitty, but the worst thing he can do with his anger is to code something better and share it or take the code of the same guy and make it better by patching and submiting the patches. Selling the work that he think is better is not that good... because people will already had bought one of the product! dammit! even if they try the demo they wont be atracted to buy the app, because they bought the other some months before. The open source often post update fast and they are free. You can test and choose which one to adopt without paying for any license then...