no i said that for many people the outage of the internet would defeat the usefulness of email as a whole anyhow, and no that is the only time i have been affected personally, there may have been a second time at some point but i believe that outage in the US was in the middle of the night/very early morning.
what i was saying is some people think they may need it when the internet is out, but actually don't. It is something that needs to be looked at closely on an individual basis before making a decision either way is all.
for some companies yes internal servers are great, for some outsourcing is great.
Here we have me for all IT work and they are really cheap when it comes to any IT expenditures, most of our infrastructure needs to be replaced as it is, and for us the cost of moving to google apps was a great idea.
I understand for some it may not be, I am just saying that it should not be written off out of hand like it was. I have been using gmail since 2004 when you had to have an invite to get on and i tell you this is the first outage that has affected me at all, and it only affected use of the web interface, so its not too bad, and since we have an sla with google we got days added to our contract for free too.
possibly, but the only outage we have experienced was about 2 hours and was only the web interface, i have seen much more downtime on a local exchange server
you claim to be "its a free market they can do what they want. However, it is not a free market, the government has messed with the market and done things like patents and copyright and all kinds of stuff that mess with the market. Without the roadblocks the government has put in the market the restrictions on monopolies would be unneeded because it would not be possible for them to do the things they did.
and it was only the web interface that was not available, if you were using pop or imap from a desktop client or cell phone then you did not notice any outage at all.
That is the first gmail outage that has affected me since 2004, and i was still able to use it because i use the web interface but also imap it to apples mail app and to my ipod touch
actually they did not make a superior product, go back and read all the findings. They did in fact use their position to destroy others before they could compete, which is fine, unless you have a monopoly.
what everyone needs to understand is business really does not pay taxes in the end, the consumers do. If a business has to pay more in taxes, it will only raise the prices of goods and services.
i don't know where you get off calling this pst a troll, the moderation system is not there to mark people as trolls because they may disagree with you.
not this stupid argument again
you are comparing apples and oranges, known bugs in an open codebase, which gets patched relatively quickly.
and known bugs in a closed codebase which gets patched not so quickly. I am sure if we could see the code we could find some more bugs, but alas... we shall never know.
and since we can not know you can not really compare the numbers in a meaningful way.
also, when they do those bug counts on linux they tend to add in bugs from other packages, so are the adding in bugs on popular plugins or anything as well?
unfortunately those numbers are hard to trust, because the people who gather them have shown themselves to be untrustworthy in the past.
that said IE8 is better than earlier versions, I still don't like it and not because its microsoft, but because the interface stinks and it has had some rendering issues with sites I use, I prefer safari on osx and ff when I have to use windows.
If you like IE, more power to you, I would love to see windows users switch from ie6 to ie8, makes my life easier.
Try actually reading that story, they couldn't read each others email per se, it was an error in migrations that put migrated emails in the wrong account.
It would seem to me, if you are publishing it as a webpage purposely and linking to it from a public website, one would think you would like it to be crawled.
I got the email from google since I admin two google apps domains, and have no problem with it. We don't normally publish docs like this, but if I did it would be because I wanted them found.
I am sure a lot of people on here are going to go overboard like they always do because it is google, but it is not going to expose all of your private docs.
i have no problem with it but the person i was replying to seems to think they will be "sticking it" to the big bad companies, when we are the one who will ultimately pay the price for it
and so why should orphaned works, that are no longer printed and produce no income for the copyright holder be protected? So you can hold them back from the world and say mine?
the point of copyright was to protect these works for a time so that authors could make money off of them, and then to be open to the public to promote public good.
The way the government has extended copyright is atrocious and no longer does what it was supposed to.
Read again, short timeframe, how long do you think it would take to mail them and how long till they get it. Plus from my reading she didn't use a maillist, but, carefully selected them
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you would think we could settle something like that inside of 200 years though, wouldn't you?
no i said that for many people the outage of the internet would defeat the usefulness of email as a whole anyhow, and no that is the only time i have been affected personally, there may have been a second time at some point but i believe that outage in the US was in the middle of the night/very early morning.
what i was saying is some people think they may need it when the internet is out, but actually don't. It is something that needs to be looked at closely on an individual basis before making a decision either way is all.
for some companies yes internal servers are great, for some outsourcing is great.
Here we have me for all IT work and they are really cheap when it comes to any IT expenditures, most of our infrastructure needs to be replaced as it is, and for us the cost of moving to google apps was a great idea.
I understand for some it may not be, I am just saying that it should not be written off out of hand like it was. I have been using gmail since 2004 when you had to have an invite to get on and i tell you this is the first outage that has affected me at all, and it only affected use of the web interface, so its not too bad, and since we have an sla with google we got days added to our contract for free too.
possibly, but the only outage we have experienced was about 2 hours and was only the web interface, i have seen much more downtime on a local exchange server
you claim to be "its a free market they can do what they want. However, it is not a free market, the government has messed with the market and done things like patents and copyright and all kinds of stuff that mess with the market. Without the roadblocks the government has put in the market the restrictions on monopolies would be unneeded because it would not be possible for them to do the things they did.
if you can't communicate with your co-workers inside your office in any other way than email you have a bigger problem.
and it was only the web interface that was not available, if you were using pop or imap from a desktop client or cell phone then you did not notice any outage at all.
That is the first gmail outage that has affected me since 2004, and i was still able to use it because i use the web interface but also imap it to apples mail app and to my ipod touch
and microsoft had a monopoly in the operating system market, not the windows market, so yet the analogy was ok.
actually they did not make a superior product, go back and read all the findings. They did in fact use their position to destroy others before they could compete, which is fine, unless you have a monopoly.
Having your own email servers, if you loose internet you still can't send/receive email, so no big deal
You can always pop/imap your email from google and can use offline access with google email/calendar/docs.
We changed over to google apps here at work and the offline access has been good for us here.
what everyone needs to understand is business really does not pay taxes in the end, the consumers do. If a business has to pay more in taxes, it will only raise the prices of goods and services.
only for certain operations
they wouldn't need to have a monopoly in the graphics card market, so long as they had monopoly in the physics rendering market.
I dont know if they do and am not saying it is illegal, just pointing out that it could be even though they don't have monopoly in video cards.
i don't know where you get off calling this pst a troll, the moderation system is not there to mark people as trolls because they may disagree with you.
not this stupid argument again
you are comparing apples and oranges, known bugs in an open codebase, which gets patched relatively quickly.
and known bugs in a closed codebase which gets patched not so quickly. I am sure if we could see the code we could find some more bugs, but alas... we shall never know.
and since we can not know you can not really compare the numbers in a meaningful way.
also, when they do those bug counts on linux they tend to add in bugs from other packages, so are the adding in bugs on popular plugins or anything as well? unfortunately those numbers are hard to trust, because the people who gather them have shown themselves to be untrustworthy in the past.
that said IE8 is better than earlier versions, I still don't like it and not because its microsoft, but because the interface stinks and it has had some rendering issues with sites I use, I prefer safari on osx and ff when I have to use windows.
If you like IE, more power to you, I would love to see windows users switch from ie6 to ie8, makes my life easier.
I used to manage an electronic repair store, let me assure you lightning does enter on the cable line, I have seen many TV's fried this way.
Try actually reading that story, they couldn't read each others email per se, it was an error in migrations that put migrated emails in the wrong account.
It would seem to me, if you are publishing it as a webpage purposely and linking to it from a public website, one would think you would like it to be crawled.
I got the email from google since I admin two google apps domains, and have no problem with it. We don't normally publish docs like this, but if I did it would be because I wanted them found.
I am sure a lot of people on here are going to go overboard like they always do because it is google, but it is not going to expose all of your private docs.
i have no problem with it but the person i was replying to seems to think they will be "sticking it" to the big bad companies, when we are the one who will ultimately pay the price for it
of course WE will be the ones paying the price when the cost of goods increases to reflect the extra cost to the companies.
and so why should orphaned works, that are no longer printed and produce no income for the copyright holder be protected? So you can hold them back from the world and say mine?
the point of copyright was to protect these works for a time so that authors could make money off of them, and then to be open to the public to promote public good.
The way the government has extended copyright is atrocious and no longer does what it was supposed to.
I highly doubt most lawyers are qualified to determine ethics of any sort. the lawyers job is to determine the legality of something not ethics.
this is one of the funniest I have heard today, along with the squeeze bacon from thinkgeek
Read again, short timeframe, how long do you think it would take to mail them and how long till they get it. Plus from my reading she didn't use a maillist, but, carefully selected them
maybe Apple caved because they want to sell iphones there?