I wouldn't be so certain. I think such tasks are better left to consumer advocacy groups.
Yeah... damn that FDA. I wish we could roll back to the late 1890s when companies sold radioactive water because "radation was nature's miracle worker". The whole hole in your jaw side effect was just... a coincidence.
So when HR sends list of everyone salaries to the CEO of the company and fat fingers the email address and sends it some else. They won't be able to read it. Whats so evil about that?
There's this thing. It's called "only send it to the people who are supposed to see it". It's called, don't leave it on your shared drive on the network.
When we start compensating for the basic mistakes people shouldn't be making, then things are wrong. It's like designing protective noseguards so you don't shove steak knives up there. There's just no need.
Not to mention, in your scenario, some moron VP will probably just print it out to a network printer and leave it sitting there for 45 minutes until he/she can be bothered to pick it up.
I remember reading that MSFT was going to tie some DRM into future versions of office... only "authorized" people could view documents. You'd, of course, need a MSFT policy server somewhere on your network to make sure you could set these permissions, and view documents, and all that good stuff...
If OpenOffice decided to reverse engineer this, the loophole lets MSFT sue them.
Does anyone remember the good old days when you could save your Word 6 doc, open it in WordPefect, and work on it there? Or, hell, when you could save your GeoWrite document, open it it Word Writer, and work on it there? What the hell happened?
am I wrong? It sounds to me like it's just hype. Like all the companies are waiting for the other companies to start putting it in their products. So they wait, and wait instead of implementing and using.
You're wrong. Bluetooth is starting to appear in more and more cars. It's great to just hop in your car and let the car and cellphone sync up and not have to worry about slapping on a headset, plugging wires in, etc.
So, if the US goes into NK, we are pretty much going to go mano-a-mano with the PRC for domination of the globe. Neither the US or the PRC really want that.... yet.
And don't, for a second, think that the US or the PRC really want to do that... ever.
This ain't the cold war. Our economies are so intertwined that a war between us would result in huge economic depressions, job losses, people going hungry, cats and dogs living together, etc.
Put it this way, if you lived during the cold war, you'd never pick up a piece of merchandise you bought from the store and see "Made in USSR" on the bottom. "Made in China" is farily common, last I checked....
For grins and giggles, go download "The Last Ninja" and throw it into your c64 emulator of choice (Vice). The soundtrack on that is absoluetly amazing, and it was made.. what, almost 16 years ago? One of the best gaming soundtracks ever.
I don't get it: Verizon has rabidly faithful customers already. They do a great job with the high-speed data service. Why don't they go the last mile and carry a decent Bluetooth phone? It's not like I'm asking for it for free - I'll *give* them the money, they just won't take it....
It's all about the extras. If they gave you a fully functional Bluetooth phone, with a functional OBEX profile, you wouldn't have to use their Get-It-Now service to send yourself the pictures you've taken using the camera phone you bought from Verizon. Could you imagine, getting your photos off your phone(which you paid for) for free? It'd almost make that.3 megapixel picture somewhat compelling. And I know you can do it with the transwhatever card that's in the phone, but imagine how nice it would be to do it wirelessly...
But that's not all. If you had Java on the phone, instead of that redheaded stepchild BREW, you could use bluetooth to send yourself the games you've bought in the past for your older phones. And Verizon wouldn't make a penny! Could you imagine the horror of getting to use your old games and Verizon not making a penny out of that, other than the initial cost of selling you the game?
But wait, there's even more! If you had multiple cellular phones, you could take a ringtone from off your fiance's phone and send it to yours! For free! Verizon wouldn't make a penny, except for the money they made when they sold you the ringtone to begin with. The horror.
Its called a contract. When a cell company that you've never had major problems with before lies to get you on a new phone with a new 2 year contract, there's not much you can do.
Sure there is... you can get out of your contract early. See this post:
FYI -- verizon no longer accepts phones with non-Verizon ESNs. Meaning... if you want to use it on the Verizon network, you have to buy it from Verizon.
FYI2 -- The phone in question sells for around $250-350. That ain't a penny.
Bluetooth is for wireless speakerphone/headset/car kits.
Great. But it can also be used for syncing, file transfer, business card pushes, gaming, etc.
Any other questions?
YES! Why would someone have to buy the phone, and then spend another 40 dollars for the datacable when you could do it via bluetooth if Verizon hadn't crippled it?
As I understand it, they will seel you a physical cable that can accomplish the downloading pictures or synching, or you can use their secure service to send pics to others or the net. Either way, you still have to use VZW's private server and/or a cable -- no full bluetooth.
The cable only works for sync. To get your pictures off, you have to pay VZW,.
About 3 years ago, one of their account people noticed that my contract had expired and I was a month to month customer. He called me, pushing a new 2 year contract. I didn't really want it, but he swore new bluetooth phones were coming that fall. Since I wanted bluetooth, and none of the other carriers had good coverage in my area, I figured why not... the new plan was cheaper and all. Seemed good.
Cut to 2 years later, with 6 months left on my contract. I have a Bluetooth PDA, laptop, and the car I was expecting delivery of (Prius) had the Bluetooth Handsfree in it. There were rumors of a Motorola with bluetooth coming soon on the Verizon network, but I couldn't risk it. I had to get out. Here's what I did...
I emailed customer support. Sounds simple, right? But the beauty of this is, a real live person emails you back. Sure, it's a form letter at first, but if you keep emailing back, and keep bringing up your original points (bluetooth, customer rep lied to me, etc), they'll go off script.
And clearly they underestimated my resolve to keep hammering at them. It cost me nothing to email them. They had customer service reps spending time trying to figure out how to respond. The time they spent with me couldn't be used for other customers... And, honestly, it was funny as hell for me.
After nearly 2 dozen back and forth emails, they agreed to let me out of the contract early. I switched to Cingular, and now have an uncrippled and fully functional bluetooth phone. And a signal. Life is good.
Verizon's *main* reason for disabling the OBEX functionality on this phoen is simple... they do not want you to be able to take pictures from your phone and send them to others via bluetooth. If the disabling of BT was simply for security, you'd be able to transfer pictures using that nice 40 dollar data cable they'll happily sell you. But you can't with that either.
I bought my bluetooth phone from Cingular for 2 reasons. I can sync my calendar, and use the handsfree in my car. The phone itself was 100. With Verizon I would pay 200 for the phone (yeah, I know you can get it for 179 from joe's phone shack, but whatever) and I'd pay another 40 for the data cable to sync with my calendar.
What's the point of Verizon even offering this....?
I couldn't even get a Bluetooth enabled phone from Verizon until about 2 months ago.
That's the problem then, isn't it? From all the reports I've seen, Verizon has crippled the BT implementation on the Motorola to only support the handsfree stuff.
To contrast, I have a BT enabled cellphone from Cingular. Cingular doesn't cripple their phones (well, not the BT at least). It talks to my palm, and I can dial the internet with it, no problem. I use Cingular as my ISP, and it doesn't cost me anything (except minutes). I can send my palm's phonebook to my phone, and my computer's phonebook to either. It just works.
The problem is, I think, that you mention Bluetooth to most people, and those who have heard of it think it's Just Another Wireless Thingy. They think about 802.11b or whatever and don't see the need for bluetooth.
Then when they're with you in your car, and you get an incoming call and your stereo automagically cuts off and a message pops up on the radio display with all your caller ID info, they're confused and a little shocked. Then when you hit a button and your talking via a mic in the car, and hearing the caller come in over the speakers, they're amazed.
The PDA to cellphone via bluetooth to browse the internet, IMO, is even better than a hotspot, but to the non-techie, the car thing is like seeing into the future.
Actually, the IIgs came out around 87, as I recall....
The various II flavors (//, IIe) were available in the early 80s, and I distinctly remember using a II in 5th grade, which was around 1978/9. Good lord, I'm old.
I agree with you there, it's possible for poor code to be produced in *any* language. But what I thought you were saying in your original message was that the core java classes were not intuitive.
Not that they're all easy to follow... but if you know a bit about what you're working with they should be easy to follow.
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I wouldn't be so certain. I think such tasks are better left to consumer advocacy groups.
Yeah... damn that FDA. I wish we could roll back to the late 1890s when companies sold radioactive water because "radation was nature's miracle worker". The whole hole in your jaw side effect was just... a coincidence.
So when HR sends list of everyone salaries to the CEO of the company and fat fingers the email address and sends it some else. They won't be able to read it. Whats so evil about that?
There's this thing. It's called "only send it to the people who are supposed to see it". It's called, don't leave it on your shared drive on the network.
When we start compensating for the basic mistakes people shouldn't be making, then things are wrong. It's like designing protective noseguards so you don't shove steak knives up there. There's just no need.
Not to mention, in your scenario, some moron VP will probably just print it out to a network printer and leave it sitting there for 45 minutes until he/she can be bothered to pick it up.
What could happen is this...
I remember reading that MSFT was going to tie some DRM into future versions of office... only "authorized" people could view documents. You'd, of course, need a MSFT policy server somewhere on your network to make sure you could set these permissions, and view documents, and all that good stuff...
If OpenOffice decided to reverse engineer this, the loophole lets MSFT sue them.
Does anyone remember the good old days when you could save your Word 6 doc, open it in WordPefect, and work on it there? Or, hell, when you could save your GeoWrite document, open it it Word Writer, and work on it there? What the hell happened?
That's exactly what I did...
Went from Verizon to Cingular, and am much happier now. And in light of how Verizon has crippled their only bluetooth phone, it was a smart move.
am I wrong? It sounds to me like it's just hype. Like all the companies are waiting for the other companies to start putting it in their products. So they wait, and wait instead of implementing and using.
You're wrong. Bluetooth is starting to appear in more and more cars. It's great to just hop in your car and let the car and cellphone sync up and not have to worry about slapping on a headset, plugging wires in, etc.
So, if the US goes into NK, we are pretty much going to go mano-a-mano with the PRC for domination of the globe. Neither the US or the PRC really want that. ... yet.
And don't, for a second, think that the US or the PRC really want to do that... ever.
This ain't the cold war. Our economies are so intertwined that a war between us would result in huge economic depressions, job losses, people going hungry, cats and dogs living together, etc.
Put it this way, if you lived during the cold war, you'd never pick up a piece of merchandise you bought from the store and see "Made in USSR" on the bottom. "Made in China" is farily common, last I checked....
Totally agree.
For grins and giggles, go download "The Last Ninja" and throw it into your c64 emulator of choice (Vice). The soundtrack on that is absoluetly amazing, and it was made.. what, almost 16 years ago? One of the best gaming soundtracks ever.
Ericsson, the original inventor of Bluetooth, bowed out last week - so, yeah, it is pretty much dead in the water.
Go away troll. Ericsson bowed out, Sony Ericsson (ya know, the guys who make the phones that actually use bluetooth) didn't.
I don't get it: Verizon has rabidly faithful customers already. They do a great job with the high-speed data service. Why don't they go the last mile and carry a decent Bluetooth phone? It's not like I'm asking for it for free - I'll *give* them the money, they just won't take it....
.3 megapixel picture somewhat compelling. And I know you can do it with the transwhatever card that's in the phone, but imagine how nice it would be to do it wirelessly...
It's all about the extras. If they gave you a fully functional Bluetooth phone, with a functional OBEX profile, you wouldn't have to use their Get-It-Now service to send yourself the pictures you've taken using the camera phone you bought from Verizon. Could you imagine, getting your photos off your phone(which you paid for) for free? It'd almost make that
But that's not all. If you had Java on the phone, instead of that redheaded stepchild BREW, you could use bluetooth to send yourself the games you've bought in the past for your older phones. And Verizon wouldn't make a penny! Could you imagine the horror of getting to use your old games and Verizon not making a penny out of that, other than the initial cost of selling you the game?
But wait, there's even more! If you had multiple cellular phones, you could take a ringtone from off your fiance's phone and send it to yours! For free! Verizon wouldn't make a penny, except for the money they made when they sold you the ringtone to begin with. The horror.
Its called a contract. When a cell company that you've never had major problems with before lies to get you on a new phone with a new 2 year contract, there's not much you can do.
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Sure there is... you can get out of your contract early. See this post:
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=
There are ways out of the Verizon contract, without having to pay any exit fees! See my earlier post here.
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FYI -- verizon no longer accepts phones with non-Verizon ESNs. Meaning... if you want to use it on the Verizon network, you have to buy it from Verizon.
FYI2 -- The phone in question sells for around $250-350. That ain't a penny.
Bluetooth is for wireless speakerphone/headset/car kits.
Great. But it can also be used for syncing, file transfer, business card pushes, gaming, etc.
Any other questions?
YES! Why would someone have to buy the phone, and then spend another 40 dollars for the datacable when you could do it via bluetooth if Verizon hadn't crippled it?
Erm, according to the PC Magazine Article linked in story you can use flash cards to transfer pictures between PC and the phone.
Great... what's the data cable for then? What's the bluetooth get you?
As I understand it, they will seel you a physical cable that can accomplish the downloading pictures or synching, or you can use their secure service to send pics to others or the net. Either way, you still have to use VZW's private server and/or a cable -- no full bluetooth.
The cable only works for sync. To get your pictures off, you have to pay VZW,.
This works, swear to god.
About 3 years ago, one of their account people noticed that my contract had expired and I was a month to month customer. He called me, pushing a new 2 year contract. I didn't really want it, but he swore new bluetooth phones were coming that fall. Since I wanted bluetooth, and none of the other carriers had good coverage in my area, I figured why not... the new plan was cheaper and all. Seemed good.
Cut to 2 years later, with 6 months left on my contract. I have a Bluetooth PDA, laptop, and the car I was expecting delivery of (Prius) had the Bluetooth Handsfree in it. There were rumors of a Motorola with bluetooth coming soon on the Verizon network, but I couldn't risk it. I had to get out. Here's what I did...
I emailed customer support. Sounds simple, right? But the beauty of this is, a real live person emails you back. Sure, it's a form letter at first, but if you keep emailing back, and keep bringing up your original points (bluetooth, customer rep lied to me, etc), they'll go off script.
And clearly they underestimated my resolve to keep hammering at them. It cost me nothing to email them. They had customer service reps spending time trying to figure out how to respond. The time they spent with me couldn't be used for other customers... And, honestly, it was funny as hell for me.
After nearly 2 dozen back and forth emails, they agreed to let me out of the contract early. I switched to Cingular, and now have an uncrippled and fully functional bluetooth phone. And a signal. Life is good.
Verizon's *main* reason for disabling the OBEX functionality on this phoen is simple... they do not want you to be able to take pictures from your phone and send them to others via bluetooth. If the disabling of BT was simply for security, you'd be able to transfer pictures using that nice 40 dollar data cable they'll happily sell you. But you can't with that either.
I bought my bluetooth phone from Cingular for 2 reasons. I can sync my calendar, and use the handsfree in my car. The phone itself was 100. With Verizon I would pay 200 for the phone (yeah, I know you can get it for 179 from joe's phone shack, but whatever) and I'd pay another 40 for the data cable to sync with my calendar.
What's the point of Verizon even offering this....?
I couldn't even get a Bluetooth enabled phone from Verizon until about 2 months ago.
That's the problem then, isn't it? From all the reports I've seen, Verizon has crippled the BT implementation on the Motorola to only support the handsfree stuff.
To contrast, I have a BT enabled cellphone from Cingular. Cingular doesn't cripple their phones (well, not the BT at least). It talks to my palm, and I can dial the internet with it, no problem. I use Cingular as my ISP, and it doesn't cost me anything (except minutes). I can send my palm's phonebook to my phone, and my computer's phonebook to either. It just works.
The problem is, I think, that you mention Bluetooth to most people, and those who have heard of it think it's Just Another Wireless Thingy. They think about 802.11b or whatever and don't see the need for bluetooth.
Then when they're with you in your car, and you get an incoming call and your stereo automagically cuts off and a message pops up on the radio display with all your caller ID info, they're confused and a little shocked. Then when you hit a button and your talking via a mic in the car, and hearing the caller come in over the speakers, they're amazed.
The PDA to cellphone via bluetooth to browse the internet, IMO, is even better than a hotspot, but to the non-techie, the car thing is like seeing into the future.
Actually, the IIgs came out around 87, as I recall.... The various II flavors (//, IIe) were available in the early 80s, and I distinctly remember using a II in 5th grade, which was around 1978/9. Good lord, I'm old.
I agree with you there, it's possible for poor code to be produced in *any* language. But what I thought you were saying in your original message was that the core java classes were not intuitive.
Not that they're all easy to follow... but if you know a bit about what you're working with they should be easy to follow.
That may be true in some cases... but truly if something like...
...
String s = "Test";
String t = "test";
if (s.toLowerCase().equals(t))
{
}
If something like that is hard to follow, and those are weird class/method names, then I dunno what to tell ya.
Great....
What if my first 3 is in Hex and my 2nd is in Dec?
Does 3 == 3? Yes.
Does 62 == 62? No.
Will Kilngon be on their next release?
Today is a good day to compile!
SuSE distributes unmodified copies of Java, so I don't know what the issue with the FreeBSD port is.... but it is possible.