Sure, and quantity != quality. I'm not going to say that Windows devs never write good software, but neither are UNIX devs doing things the hard way -- just a different way.
I find that a GUI is easier for some tasks. If I've got a link in front of me it's easier to click and save than it is to find out the address and put it into a command line. On the other hand, when I'm working with my files on my computer (as I am when coding), I do better at the command line since I know the environment intimately. I can just say what I want to do.
...having grown up on windows/a gui based OS that exists to simplify tedious tasks, it makes more sense to me to do it like that.
This caught my eye after I had posted. I've found the opposite to be true. A GUI tends to make simple tasks tedious for me, rather than the other way around. With a GUI I have to do all this File>Open>browsebrowsebrowse>Ok mousing stuff to open the file I want, but in my console I just type "emacs ~/code/foo.c &" or somesuch. It's faster for me.
I've had a sort of dissimilar experience. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "notepad-esque", but I think I share the sentiment. I'd never try to hack in Notepad or a Notepad clone, since I'd have to slit my wrists before I made any progress. On the other hand, I hate trying to work with some massive IDE. First, the built in text editors seem an awful lot like Notepad. When I write code, I like to have a text editor, not some weird program that tries to make coding "easier". I'm an Emacs and Vim kind of guy. With an IDE I feel like it's doing all this stuff and making things complicated, when all I'm doing is typing some code and issuing a "make" command. A bunch of dialog boxes just slow me down.
Are you sure they built in some of the more popular extensions? The impression I got was that they added new stuff but didn't bundle anything. I thought that was why they had a bunch of links to popular extensions on their site.
Yeah, a little clarity wouldn't hurt. I had to sit there for a minute thinking, "How the hell do you innovate color?" I think non-white is the appropriate term here.
You could also find wrong information in a traditional encyclopedia or another book during the extremely long period of time in which it's there. The bottom line is that you should never use only one source for anything non-trivial or you're asking to get bitten in the ass.
He meant there's an option in the boot loader to boot up straight into a root terminal. As a matter of fact, I find that much more unsettling than useful, but it's there.
NoteEdit seems pretty good to me. I just entered the Free Software Song into it with no trouble at all, and created an attractive printable version by exporting it as a Lilypond score.
It's the easiest Linux program I know of for doing what you want, and NoteWorthy Composer is the easiest Windows program for it. So you have two choices. Either try out some of the programs people are listing, or listen to trolls and don't do anything.
You won't need Timidity if you've got a working hardware MIDI synth, and Noteedit installed easily for me on Debian. So you may have no trouble with it at all. You can use it to export a MIDI or just play back the notes from within the program. Rosegarden is a neat program but Noteedit is simpler and probably a better fit for your needs. If you ever want to produce a printed score I recommend exporting to a Lilypond file and running "lilypond file.ly". Naturally you would need to install Lilypond to do that.
I'm not seeing much reason to go with their findings over my own. Are you thinking that most of us who prefer Linux haven't used both Linux and Microsoft Windows enough to make informed decisions?
I've found exactly the opposite. I used Windows for years but now I run Linux. Mostly I got fed up with the pathetic command prompt Windows has (biggest reason for switch evar), but also the messy Start menu, ugly window decorations, and lack of point-to-focus and windowshade mode for open windows. Once I switched I got addicted to virtual desktops, never having to reboot, hardware working out of the box with no driver installations (e.g. my USB 2.0 PCI card, Griffin Powermate, and Yamaha USB MIDI interface), and easy package management.
Is it just me or did Newsfactor just completely miss the point and then make one up?
Newsfactor says "Microsoft wants to turn developers into designers." They also mention how Microsoft wants to eliminate the role of the designer.
Microsoft says it's to "Facilitate collaboration between designers and developers...." They talk about separating code from UI design and creating a back and forth channel between designers and developers.
I think I'll go with Microsoft's line, since they are actually the ones who wrote the software.
Developers write the code and make things happen. Designers design the interface for the program/web page/whatever. The designer worries about the user's interaction with the program and the developer makes sure there's something to interact with.
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Sure, and quantity != quality. I'm not going to say that Windows devs never write good software, but neither are UNIX devs doing things the hard way -- just a different way.
I find that a GUI is easier for some tasks. If I've got a link in front of me it's easier to click and save than it is to find out the address and put it into a command line. On the other hand, when I'm working with my files on my computer (as I am when coding), I do better at the command line since I know the environment intimately. I can just say what I want to do.
This caught my eye after I had posted. I've found the opposite to be true. A GUI tends to make simple tasks tedious for me, rather than the other way around. With a GUI I have to do all this File>Open>browsebrowsebrowse>Ok mousing stuff to open the file I want, but in my console I just type "emacs ~/code/foo.c &" or somesuch. It's faster for me.
I've had a sort of dissimilar experience. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "notepad-esque", but I think I share the sentiment. I'd never try to hack in Notepad or a Notepad clone, since I'd have to slit my wrists before I made any progress. On the other hand, I hate trying to work with some massive IDE. First, the built in text editors seem an awful lot like Notepad. When I write code, I like to have a text editor, not some weird program that tries to make coding "easier". I'm an Emacs and Vim kind of guy. With an IDE I feel like it's doing all this stuff and making things complicated, when all I'm doing is typing some code and issuing a "make" command. A bunch of dialog boxes just slow me down.
Are you sure they built in some of the more popular extensions? The impression I got was that they added new stuff but didn't bundle anything. I thought that was why they had a bunch of links to popular extensions on their site.
You mean apt-get dist-upgrade?
Yeah, a little clarity wouldn't hurt. I had to sit there for a minute thinking, "How the hell do you innovate color?" I think non-white is the appropriate term here.
You could also find wrong information in a traditional encyclopedia or another book during the extremely long period of time in which it's there. The bottom line is that you should never use only one source for anything non-trivial or you're asking to get bitten in the ass.
Well, it's pretty wasteful.
Right -- that's not just an Ubuntu thing.
Good catch, sir! I almost reread the article to check for that until you alerted me to the _filthy_lie_ above.
He meant there's an option in the boot loader to boot up straight into a root terminal. As a matter of fact, I find that much more unsettling than useful, but it's there.
Despite disagreeing with you minutes earlier and calling you a troll, Hydrogen seems like a pretty cool program; thanks for cluing me in.
NoteEdit seems pretty good to me. I just entered the Free Software Song into it with no trouble at all, and created an attractive printable version by exporting it as a Lilypond score. It's the easiest Linux program I know of for doing what you want, and NoteWorthy Composer is the easiest Windows program for it. So you have two choices. Either try out some of the programs people are listing, or listen to trolls and don't do anything.
You won't need Timidity if you've got a working hardware MIDI synth, and Noteedit installed easily for me on Debian. So you may have no trouble with it at all. You can use it to export a MIDI or just play back the notes from within the program. Rosegarden is a neat program but Noteedit is simpler and probably a better fit for your needs. If you ever want to produce a printed score I recommend exporting to a Lilypond file and running "lilypond file.ly". Naturally you would need to install Lilypond to do that.
I'm not seeing much reason to go with their findings over my own. Are you thinking that most of us who prefer Linux haven't used both Linux and Microsoft Windows enough to make informed decisions?
Yeah, I like doing that too. In case you didn't notice.
I don't give a damn how it works. I was just pointing out that he did not, in fact, say what you believe him to have said.
No he didn't. He just said it used a single viewpoint and didn't make much use of the depth axis.
And how do we decide what time to use? We're back where we started!
I've found exactly the opposite. I used Windows for years but now I run Linux. Mostly I got fed up with the pathetic command prompt Windows has (biggest reason for switch evar), but also the messy Start menu, ugly window decorations, and lack of point-to-focus and windowshade mode for open windows. Once I switched I got addicted to virtual desktops, never having to reboot, hardware working out of the box with no driver installations (e.g. my USB 2.0 PCI card, Griffin Powermate, and Yamaha USB MIDI interface), and easy package management.
Is it just me or did Newsfactor just completely miss the point and then make one up?
Newsfactor says "Microsoft wants to turn developers into designers." They also mention how Microsoft wants to eliminate the role of the designer.
Microsoft says it's to "Facilitate collaboration between designers and developers...." They talk about separating code from UI design and creating a back and forth channel between designers and developers.
I think I'll go with Microsoft's line, since they are actually the ones who wrote the software.
Developers write the code and make things happen. Designers design the interface for the program/web page/whatever. The designer worries about the user's interaction with the program and the developer makes sure there's something to interact with.
Viruses would never even finish downloading!
Right. Even turning your vent fan up too high will affect your mileage.