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Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Released
An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" has been released! Direct links for the US install iso or the US install torrent file." Update: 10/13 18:08 GMT by Z : Linux.com has a look at the release, in-depth.
... or leaked?
OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?
In the USA, we like stuff watered down, like beer, television, and freedom.
would be nice
Maybe in a month or two, people will stop bursting into #ubuntu and #kubuntu IRC channels asking "is Breezy released yet?" Now we can look forward to people bitching about the stability of, erm, whatever the new unstable version is. :-}
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
You might wanna read the review on Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger, while you download the ISO.
w00t
Wake me up when the "Acneous Aardvark" version comes out, ok?
http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
The poster forgot the <a href="bash:apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade">direct upgrade link</a>. :)
BTW, if you're looking for an easy to set up LTSP-based distro, Ubuntu's a good choice (IMHO). The release candidates have been very good improvements over 5.04 - mostly in terms of (lots of) more subtle polish type things.
That site rocks. Got almost everything I could want set up very nicely. I probably won't even move up to 5.10 until Ubuntuguide is updated.
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
If you're not a big fan of the Ubuntu brown default theme, check out the Blended metacity theme and the nuoveXT icon set. They definetly add a 2005.10 (modern day) feel to the system.
Go Ubuntu!Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?
OR is a fresh install needed because of the gcc4.0 update?
what command can I type to see exactly what 'version' I am using right now?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
...but will you do it at the top of a mountain? Check out the Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge!
"On October 2, 2005, two good friends and I hiked up Middle Sugarloaf Mountain in the White Mountains region of New Hampshire. But this wasn't your typical hike; this hike had extreme geek value. For at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop.
To my knowledge, no one has ever accomplished such a feat in history. Probably, this is because no one would want to. I'd like to change that. Ubuntu geeks of the world, I challenge you - where can you install Ubuntu in an extreme environment? Has Ubuntu ever been installed on a skyscraper window-washing scaffold? On an active volcano? While standing on your head the whole time? Just think of the possibilities!
When you have a laptop, a mission, and no sense of social shame, anything is possible. What follows is one man's story of hardship and triumph, as he scales a mountain to install Ubuntu linux..."
Let this be a lesson - Keep your badgers away from beans!!!
Professor Karmadillo Songs of Science
Ubuntu has become my main desktop and laptop (iBook) distro of choice, beating out Gentoo last year. I just did a fresh install of 5.10 Monday on the iBook, and it's just so nice. On the workstation we've been tracking Breezy for about a month now, and the polish just keeps coming. Can't wait till they move on Daper, an am especially excited about it being supported for so many years; you can just feel the momentium.
Use whatever Linux distro you like, but if you're looking for one to change to, give this a shot, there's a reason there's so much good press about this company.
fak3r.com
...everything "just works", the first time, without massive twiddling of configuration files. Or at least Hoary Hedgehog did. This is the Linux distro I recommend first and foremost (Eric, time to switch to Linux buddy!), and 5.10 will definitely be going on my box this weekend.
Will I be able to just continue from the point I have been with the preview release? Anyone ran dist-upgrade and have it work yet??
Ubuntu by FAR has been the BEST Linux distro for me. I just want to work on it I don't want to have to compile a bunch of crap (Gentoo anyone) or put up with RPM dependencies (SuSe, Fedora, Red Hat and Madriva). RPM based distros may have yum and apt now, but Debian based distros do it right.
Gorkman
I can get my hands on an 'old' P3 (about 1GHz) system for free. Would this distro be good? I've used mondern distros on older hardware before and I found they ran slow and I became frustrated with it.
I appreciate any nuggets of wisdom.
Other linux flavours released in the last 24hrs include:
;)
Piebox Enterprise Linux 3-U6, 4-U2
Frugalware Linux 0.3
Damn Small Linux 2.0 RC1
B2D Linux 20051011
PHLAK Beta 1 "Littleboy"
So why are the "-buntu" releases getting all the buzz? It's the animal names, isn't it? And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?
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Science -- Sealed, Delivered.
Here is a list of updated mirrors as the main site is very slow.
Installed quite nicely.. and after some tricky googling.. I found the right information to setup X so that it would work with more than 640x480 res on my Toshiba Tecra laptop.
The only issue left is that it did not recognise the wireless card I have installed.. so I can't put it on the network yet.
I loaded OpenSuSe last week. Had troubles with Radeon and Centrino but usability was wonderful. A searchbox that highlights menu options...who would have thunk it. Loaded Mandriva lasst night and no real problems with video or Centrino though I had to manually configure wireless after install. But usability is horrible. I selected Firefox during install and they didn't even give me a menu icon or desktop icon for loading it. Same goes for other applications. So nifty menu search either. Might have to give Ubantu a try and see if anyone other than SuSe is trying to improve usability.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Now all I need t odo is install Half Life 2 and OFfice 2003 e...rr. oh crap it doesn't work. Why the hell would I use this again?
> at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop
Pah!
Bloody amateurs
Every geek worthy of the name has completed at least one lilo / linux install whilst pissed and/or stoned :-)
I'm using it right now, and apart from a new splash screen that resembles the forums theme and the replacement of the GNOME foot with the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner, the most immediately obvious changes to the end user are the features introduced by GNOME 2.12. Namely, the menu editor, disks manager, clipboard daemon, Evince document viewer, drag-and-drop preview, type-ahead-find for Epiphany and GNOME's help browser, and so on. That stupid gedit focus bug is fixed. The switch from OpenOffice 1.1.3 to OpenOffice.org 2.0 (Beta 2) is a substantial one as well; xine 1.1 and AbiWord 1.1, unfortunately, were released too late Breezy's dev cycle and aren't included. Similarly, 5.10 has shipped with GStreamer 0.8, which is still unusable for video, so you'll want to install totem-xine over totem-gstreamer as soon as possible. Under the hood, Ubuntu is now using the 2.6.12 kernel, modular X.org and GCC 4.0.1. Ubuntu has also updated their ATI fglrx drivers to 8.16.20, which gives a significant performance boost (from crap to less crap) for those cursed with ATI cards.
Overall, my end user impressions are that this is a worthy and welcome upgrade to my distribution of choice, but apparently I'm only really scratching the surface. According to the release notes, the major features of 5.10 are advanced thin client integration, an OEM installer, the Edubuntu project for deploying Ubuntu in schools, and Launchpad integration ("Launchpad.net is the new infrastructure that Ubuntu and its derivatives use for translation, bug tracking, sharing code patches, fixes and technical support."). So, in short, I like what I'm seeing, but what I haven't seen looks even better.
The release page is running very slowly; the official Ubuntu Bittorrent tracker (complete with copies of the .torrent digests) is here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
Pay attention to Ubuntu. Its simplicity makes it the Linux distro which might "break out" and cause widespread Linux popularity for the masses: something that has not happened yet.
One thing holding it back is the overall screen look, and the dumb animal names of the different releases: "Ubuntu? Oh, that must be that kid's computer thing based on the 'Lion King' movie, right?" They need to move beyond the mumpy meerkat and hirsute hyena names.
I think Ubuntu has a good future and now run it on my development workstation, laptop and server. But, what is more interesting are two big feature they added for Breezy that will make it easier for me to get my clients to consider switching over (including many commercial entities and a pro bono private school.)
# Thin Client Integration: Ubuntu is the first distribution in the world to include deeply-integrated thin client technology. This allows you to deploy Ubuntu in large scale networked environments or, for example, in classrooms, with a lightweight Ubuntu image booting over the network. All Ubuntu management tools work for the thin client image as well as for the server.
# OEM Installer Support This release of Ubuntu has special support for OEM hardware vendors. Ubuntu can be pre-installed and tested without configuring end user information. The user will be asked to complete that configuration (name, timezone and password) upon first startup.
Think about it. If Canonical is successful in getting Ubuntu OEM'd with one of the bigger OEMs, this could be a huge success.
Anything else you'd like to add?
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Cunty Cat?
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Those links are insanely useful. Already have one torrent rolling in at >150KB/sec. Hell, post 'em on /.'s front page for that matter! I know /. isn't entirely Linux-centric, but a huge chunk of users will appreciate seeing these all in one convenient place. At least give parent an Underrated or Interesting... throw the guy a frickin' bone, and do the rest of us a favor as well.
Will it go straight onto an SATA drive?
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
Breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy BADGER BADGER!
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Now for a usability question, can it play mp3's out of the box? Does it include
all the movieplayer codecs? If not because they are patent encumbered or restricted give me a frigging button to press that will install support for these. Hell it would take fifteen minutes max to build a gdialog installer with python to do this crap for me.
From the ubuntu web site
"If you add the debian-marillat repository to your Ubuntu sources.list (use testing/main), you can use Synaptic or apt-get to install MPlayer, lame, and other tools to deal with non-free formats like DVD and MP3."
Got Code?
With this announcement, I thought I would go grab the PPC DVD torrent and let the /. effect help me along. I never did get the Hoary Hedgehog DVD image because there never was a working peer for it.
On the site it lists that combination DVD images have been released. I've checked, they aren't on the list. So has there been a maor spring cleaning or are they just going to release the DVD later so that I'll be stuck with 68% looking for peers...
I really do like x86 Ubuntu and I'm glad that they have a PPC distro that gets updated at the same time, but so far I can't actually test it until I can download it.
I found a clapped-out old 600 MHz laptop with 256 Mb of RAM, running a weird AMD K6 processor.
Ubuntu offers a "server" install option, which creates a stripped-down no-desktop server machine. After a few REALLY SIMPLE install commands like apt-get install apache2 , I had a fully-operational Web and file server, which I could put in a closet and administer via ssh.
It just worked.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by mere idiocy.
Thanks for the links :-)
or does my daily "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" cron job bring me in line with the new release?
http://www.watacrackaz.com
Or some other flatulent mammal.
For those upgrading from a previous release, instructions can be found on the official Ubuntu wiki.
But yes, essentially "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" is it.
... because it's an easy-to-install Debian distro, you might want to check out Debian Pure. That's all it is, Debian with an easy install. Not dissing Ubuntu, not at all (no need to flame me, guys), but I've heard some say that's why they like it; they didn't know there's a real Debian out there that's just as easy to install.
I dream of a better world... one in which chickens can cross roads without their motives being questioned.
I've been running the unstable/preview release for almost a month, and after resolving a minor DBUS problem i had right after upgrading, its been running extremely solid. The only noteworthy problem I've had is evince like to chrash when reloading/refreshing .dvi documents, this is really impressive for a unstable release IMHO.
;-)
I've been using Ubuntu now for almost one year (I was seeking an open/free alternative to Gentoo), and since then it has become the only Linux flavor I run (well, that and debian for my server). Simply because it gives me the choice of choosing what I want to spend time on. Meaning, I'm not forced to read a multiple pages of documentation to get my digital camera to work, it just works when plugged in. And then if someday I'm like, "Hey, I wanna learn more about HAL/DBUS/whatever" I'm free to mess around with it.
I know its like this with most distributions today, but since I'm a gnome user ubuntu is a perfect fit with their release schedule trying to follow the gnome one.
The only remotely bad thing about Ubuntu is the documentation, not that the wiki isn't nice, its just no FreeBSD or Gentoo handbook
I have installed the base server on an old ibm 385XD laptop with 96Megs of ram. With ICEwm, it makes an excellent kitchen laptop-- perfect for email and recipe lookup.
The nice thing about that was that I did not have a colossal hassle making it work. Everything I need can be piecewise installed and updated painlessly with synaptic.
...wheezy badger.
Thank you - leave tips at the door.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
replace all references of 'hoary' with 'breezy'
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Badgers?
We don' need no steenkin' badgers!
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Where can I download the KDE or GNOME theme so it looks as if I am running this?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I can't figure out why people are so enamored with LTSP as a thin client solution. I have used it extensivley and find it to be horribly awkward, hard to package up, hard to manage, insecure and uses NFS for Gads sakes! I stumbled on Thinstation about a year ago and have not looked back.
But please do tell me why everyone is so retarded for LTSP, maybe I'm missing something.
Kind Regards
"A few great minds are enough to endow humanity with monstrous power, but a few great hearts are not enough to make us w
I'm South African, you insensitive clod!
I thought wanking was good for you!
Congratulations to all ubuntu developers for the marvelous work!
But I *like* wankery!
"Badgers!? Badgers!? We don't need no stinking badgers!"
(breezy? phew! What's the next version called, "farty feline?")
"They said I probly shouldn't fly with just one eye," "I am Bender. Please insert girder."
I've asked this question before....
Does anyone know whether ACPI works in Breezy?? I installed Hoary on my Dell Inspiron 8200 and I couldn't get suspend to RAM working. I had to move back to Debian testing.
First Acneous Aardvark .etc.
then Breezy Badger
Carnivorous Caterpillar
Dapper Dog (or Dudley Do-Right?)
Enigmatic Elephant
Fantasy Fox
Giggling Giraffe
*Then* Hoary Hedgehog
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Why has no one made a "yo momma" joke about the code name yet? Come on, you perverts! Breezy Badger!
sudo apt-cache search mplayer
and choose one optimized for your architecture. There isn't a generic mplayer apt candidate.
[site]
Mod parent down...
I think that mplayer is in the "multiverse" repository, if there's trouble there.
I'm pretty sure it's in the swish new "Add Applications" menu though, to ease that.
Why is slashdot acting like distrowatch and posting everytime a new linux release comes out? If they have to be fair they have to publicize other distros also otherwise this just aint fair!
Sadly, it is useless for most of Asia because CJK (Chinese Japanese Korean) input is broken:
m /+bug/2565
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/sci
The fonts are there, the localization strings are there, the keyboard LAYOUTS are there but the input server to transform romanized input (for example) to the Asian characters is not working. Particularly frustrating because Ubuntu has decided on not making it a core part (as it is in SuSE or RedHat) of the distro...
Has anyone installed VMWare Workstation on Ubuntu? I use Fedora only 'cause VMWare works with it (albiet with patches). I much more prefer Ubuntu's method of getting apps and patches than RedHat's.
Also, has anyone tried Oracle on it? I know you need to tell the installer to ignore the fact it's not a suse or redhat-based distro, but was there any other issues?
I have an old pentium 3 800mhz, breezy is nice, i like the new adept package feature alot, so i can see what all programs i dont have, or might want/need, to upgrade to breezy in terminal: --> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
(edit your apt sources and replace references to hoary with breezy)
--> sudo apt-get update
--> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Or it won't have quite the correct results.
43 - For those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
This is not like getting SP2. Security and updates are pretty simple in Ubuntu. You can do it with a GUI or automatically.
This is like going from Windows 2000 to XP or from XP to Vista. Frankly updating Ubuntu is much easier than installing Vista. And yes I have done both.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
I been using ubuntu since warty and I have nothing but praise for it. Here are a few things that I like about it. 1) Clean and lean , just one disk , burn and install. 2) Synaptic , excellent excellent program. 3) Very useful guides and great channel #ubuntu on freenode. 4) Bleeding edge yet stable. 5) Fast bootup time Overall , I rate it as 9/10. I would prefer it to have a dvd version thats why I am not giving 10/10. :P
This is NOT a sig - billy
I keep a Compaq Deskpro EN (1 GHz PIII, 512 MB, 20 GB HD) in the front of my shop as an open, public net device (well, with a donation jar on the SFF case ;) ). Two things I can tell you:
1. It runs quick.
2. It runs solid.
On any given day, I get a host of questions (From How did you make Windows look like that? To How much does it cost?) and I've sold quite a few of them because of it (six to be exact). Almost everyone that's played with it loves it. And no one has ever said, "It feels sluggish."
All that being said, I'm generally a Gentoo guy, but Ubuntu makes a great selling point for the newbie linux crowd (easy fellas, I'm not calling it a kiddie distro)-- easy install, simple (and timely) updates, fantastic device detection and a perfect mix of apps (even includes Krita w/ the Kubuntu desktop package). It's exactly what a novice PC user expects -- insert disk, reboot box, answer some basic questions and then use your computer.
In fact, I'm picking up another lot of these little Deskpro ENs to sit below my gaming stations. Next month, I'll be hosting Linux "classes" so people realize that Linux can be a viable alternative.
Sorry so long winded an answer for a simple question... but allow me to recap: Yes, a 1GHz PIII is more than enough muscle for 5.10.
#SickNotWeak
My biggest hassel with a Linux on the laptop is wireless support and especially WPA. How is 5.10's support for ipw2200 and WPA_supplicant?
MC
Ubuntu has always had only one install CD per architecture. They also have one live CD per architecture and one combination install/live DVD per architecture. Perhaps you thought three CDs because there were three architectures or because there are three different disc images, but unless you want both an install CD and a live CD, you only need to download one disc image.
The combined install/live DVD allows you either to install Ubuntu permanently on a computer, or (by entering 'live' at the boot prompt) to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all. There are three editions available:
Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Kubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Edubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Please download using Bittorrent if possible.
-- Eavy (: Linux Is Not UniX
(Un)official release song and dance here
(Warning: Flash animation)
Linux takes a piss.
I'l be DLing this tonight, w/ fingers crossed that it will actually work with my vid card. Not holding my breath, tho.
Ahy can't ATI write some damned Linux drivers??
I'm holding out for Ubuntu Luscious Beaver
The world is everything that is the case
Okay, so I look through the headlines for stuff which interests me. ...what exactly *is* Ubuntu?
And I find this. Ubuntu has been released. Great. Cool. But...
How about writing this in here as well? How about simply telling us that "Ubuntu" Linux has released a new version?
Instead, you're forcing me to RTFA, which doesn't interest me, increasing their server load...
Free PC version of ChipWits at http://www.breueronline.de/klaus/chipwits/
With 256M of RAM. Woot!
hi,
its good to know that this new project continue up
my post is not related directly with the subject, but with a "single" problem.
i ordered Ubuntu CDs for ppc (power processors) because i've an iBook G4.when i try to run setup it crashes everytime when trying detect hardware definitions.
i want to know if is or not a single problem or if someone has (or had) the same problem!
best regards
Paulo A. Silva
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
I'm a Windows Joe user (or joe developer actually, but anyway), and all I want is a Linux whose desktop looks nearly identical to Windows XP, and has a control panel so i can configure stuff. I also want the sound to work with my ASUS NForce motherboard. How long till a windows-like Linux is written? (and released for free, that is, I already spent $200 in WinXP, why should I spend another $80 on a similar Linux?)
:(
I haven't been able to run XMMS at all, it always freezes.
(I tested it with Hoary, but according to the reviews some of the issues haven't been fixed in Breezy).
When I was posting my issues in the Ubuntu forum (or was it here?), someone from Ubuntu told me that Ubuntu wasn't ready for newbies, and recommended SUSE instead. It's very curious that one of the people in the Ubuntu team said more or less the same thing to a poster today: "Ubuntu is very overrated", and "the sound issues aren't solved in Ubuntu".
So is this it? The most "user-friendly" linux is just a bunch of hype over a Debian distro?
My email address is in there for any additions and updates.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
The obvious question of the grand(grand?)prent post as to why Ubuntu is so great, is not an easy one to explain, I guess one just has to try it. I have used Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo (waited 2 days for it to install!) Lycoris (before it was bought by Mandriva) and finally settled with Ubuntu. I guess things just seemed to work right out of the box or perhaps I like the openess and the message behind Ubuntu, or maybe both...
Does it autodetect Soundblaster Live 24-bit yet?
I almost gave up on Ubuntu (actually, Kubuntu) over annoyance at having to find and install the module. How could a card possibly be more mainstream? It should just work. Dselect still keeps trying to overwrite my installation, even though I installed using dpkg. Haven't figured out how to install it with Kynaptic.
I have been using off-and-on since 1998, and I'm beyond the point where I want to spend time futzing around with this stuff. I have things I want to do within Linux other than figure out how to get my hardware to work.
Farty Ferret
Odiferous Otter
Stinky Mink
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
I dist-upgrade'd to 5.10 a few days ago (to beat the Slashdotting of their servers), and it broke my Firefox font handling. For example, all the Slashdot homepage "From the xxx-yyy-zzz dept." subtitles (but not the variable xxx-yyy-zzz, somehow) are illegible, resembling greyed-out skinny elvish runes. As are the "Important Stuff" bullet point sentences below in the page in which I'm posting this message. If I select all the text by click/dragging the cursor, it appears, as well as "wiping" the illegible window with another foreground window. And what's strange is that Firefox run as root doesn't show this bug at all. The bug appears to manifest anywhere the "Serif" or "Sans Serif" fonts appear in Firefox, which can't be changed in its Preferences to another "standin" font. I've (laboriously) reinstalled my fonts, but no help, and dist-upgrade'ing again today (with some delays) hasn't fixed the problem.
That whine isn't really the important Ubuntu point (though it's ruining my day). The important point is that this kind of major release shouldn't have that kind of bug. I'm running straight hoary dist-upgrade'd to breezy on its final release candidate (and then final release). Ubuntu, like any distro, is really a package QA release project. The entire job of the team is to ensure that it's releaseable when it's released. But this bug would make any nongeek flee Ubuntu, and maybe Linux, immediately, possibly never to return. I'm running it on a Dell Inspiron 8000, which sits on a lot of desktops (especially people who don't upgrade more than once in 5 years, who typically can't understand bugs like this). A professional distro shouldn't fail like that, especially in a way which leaves no answers. I posted the bug in even greater detail on Ubuntu forums - it's gotten dozens of looks, but no replies. I expect better from Ubuntu, because I hope it will become the wedge which takes over Desktop share from Windows. Not today.
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make install -not war
Is ACPI fixed yet? I have currently frozen time at 2.6.8-1.521, last known kernel to implement ACPI properly on my laptop...
Yam, yam, uga booga, yam, yam, yade, yade, uga booga, yam, yam, yade, yade
Has anyone else noticed that dowloading directly from the Ubuntu site gives you a file called "ubuntu-6.10..." rather than 5.10? If it weren't my favorite open source group, I would think this was a little fishy... Hm.
I compiled the sources from http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/unstable/ to create the .deb packages. After installation and configuration (nx user was added, local user was added to nx server allowed list, there are no ssh authentication problems), any attempts to connect via the nx client ultimately fail with no indication as to what went wrong.
The indentical setup works on my Mandriva box so this is really making me scratch my head as to what could be going on.
While downloading it, I am trying to determine what makes Edubuntu a better choice for a school environment (in order to be able to convince some schools admins I am in contact with to migrate from Windows) - specially, what features and packages are found in Edubuntu that would be required/nice to have in a school lab. Either I failed to find the links or their website is too incipient yet. Any pointers?
I primarily use Debian for servers because that is where it shines. But important server-related packages like vpopmail-bin are simply not getting updated:
In Debian UNSTABLE, vpopmail-bin last updated on 10 Jun 2004 with version 5.4.4. There are 6 (six) new upstream-stable releases of vpopmail-bin that are being ignored by the maintainer. In fact, this 273 days old bug report complains about 5 (five) upstream-stable releases being ignored by the maintainer in the UNSTABLE branch, Pawel Wiecek (coven@debian.org):
"http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug= 290245"
I wonder why Debian management doesn't implement automatic monitoring of package maintainers and their performance. In some cases, having no maintainer is probably better than having a bad maintainer. It shouldn't be hard to do given the infrastructure already in place. For example, the above maintainer's current status can be obtained by using a URL such as:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint =coven@debian.org
I'm seriously considering a switch to Ubuntu because of issues like this with more than one package that is important to me. I've never had any problems like this with FreeBSD but my hosting company only offers Linux distros (and great hosting companies are VERY hard to find so I'm not willing to switch just for that).
I get the sense that Ubuntu is more practical than Debian for people that need to get shit done without all the power trips or license discrimination (for example, intentionally handling non-GPL licensed projects improperly in hopes that people migrate to or even startup competing GPL projects regardless of technical merits).
I found myself somewhat annoyed that Breezy was released on Yom Kippur, the most holy jewish holiday of the year. Many orthodox jewish ubuntu users won't be able to install Breezy until tomorrow. How rude!
Honestly, I don't think there was any sort of ill-will or anti-semetic overtones...just a lack of forethought. But if ubuntu prides itself on being a community of humans who respects each other...then releasing a distro on a major jewish holiday where members of that faith can't work...is sorta...unthoughtful.
I urge everybody here who thinks Bit Torrent is the best idea since Ethernet to download the iso images via torrent and leave their clients open until the share ratio is at least 100%. Remember, more people sharing means smaller download times for everybody (and incidentally, more instance of Bit Torrent being put to good, legal uses next time somebody asks).
The server install provides a good base for setting up the packages you need for your server. You should be able to find all the packages you might want to run a file, Web, or mail server.
Uhm... no. The "server" install in fact doesn't install any services at all (hell it doesn't even install perl). It also doesn't install any graphical desktop stuff. That of course means you can configure your server post-install to do only what you want (and lessen your security risk from running services you aren't aware of).
You may not be aware of this, but game development is good under Linux also. E.g. you have full NVidia driver support. Using SDL you can be cross-platform pretty easily (this is what Unreal Tournament uses). KDevelop is a good IDE.
Now, if you want certain tools that are only available on Windows, that's another issue; but I find development to be much less frustrating in general on Linux because you can get the source for anything (except those NVidia drivers!). If you've been developing on Windows for a long time, you will have run into various Windows issues where the docs don't exist or don't match up with what the system actually does. Going to the source (kernel, C library, or otherwise) answers those questions.
You also have good version control with good web integration (SVN, Mercurial, etc.), full 64-bit AND SMP support for years (makes a difference on the server side for games), and you can install compilers, IDEs, debuggers, and all the other dev tools without having to worry about licensing or purchasing.
Apparently every server I know of for grabbing the .torrent is on fire. Anyone have a a non /.'ed link to the live/install DVD torrent?
Something from that article the parent listed I really agree with:
Experienced Linux users may find it odd that the Ubuntu installer does not prompt them for a root password. Instead of having a root user, Ubuntu uses the first normal user as the admin user. Instead of having root privileges all the time, however, Ubuntu uses sudo to manage system administration tasks. Mac users will recognize this behavior, since Mac OS X works essentially the same way. You can set up a root user if you need to, but this system works well for newer Linux users who may not be used to working as root.
I found this odd when I installed Ubuntu for the first time too, but it seems logical not to have a root account by default for security reasons especially for people who aren't familiar with best practices.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
I've been using Ubuntu for awhile, first the live CDs and now the hd-install version of Breezy. FWIW I started with the pre-release Breezy, but with the automatic updates I'm now using the latest official version. So far it's been great, but I have a few minor complaints. First, it's a slow on my 700 Mhz laptop w/ 384k -- slower than KDE or Windows on the same machine. Mozilla in particular is slow rendering tables, etc. But I like Ubuntu's desktop so much better overall that I don't care. Second, there's no convenient WiFi management tool, to scan and choose from available networks. The Networking applet will discover and connect to open networks, but it doesn't always work, nor will it always pick the one you want. Otherwise you have to find out the SSIDs ahead of time, create a connection in the Networking applet, and connect manually. Third, because of licensing issues, browser plugins and codecs have to be downloaded and installed separately. This is easy enough for technical users who know what they want, but non-technical users have to choose from a dizzying array of sound and video players, and codecs to go with them. Aaack! There's plenty of installation help at ubuntuguide.org, but more guidance about "the right setup" would be helpful. Fourth, burning a CD is confusing until you do it a few times. Fifth, for some weird reason, my HP printer wouldn't work, even though it was in the list of supported printers. I say weird because I've never had a printer problem with Linux. Finally, as with most Linux systems, suspend/hibernate is nonfunctional or flaky. OTOH, Ubuntu boots and shuts down faster than my Windows system wakes up or hibernates, so for me this is a non-issue. The only thing I need to suspend for is to swap a drive, but with floppies disappearing I never do this anymore anyway. I haven't thought too much about the security issues involved with relying on sudo instead of using a root account, but in practice it's very convenient for a single user machine. This is one thing that drives me nuts with Windows -- repeatedly logging in and out of regular and administrator accounts. So while a few things may be a pain, I have many more complaints about Windows than Ubuntu! --
I have had just about the opposite experience. Ubuntu was my introduction to linux with their first release and I enjoyed it. After using it for a few months, though, I found that there was so much going on that when something went wrong or I wanted to make a change I didn't know where to start. Enter gentoo. With gentoo I have built a desktop system that has everything I want (including gaming) with very little bloat. And by building that desktop I know far, far more about linux and the bones of my system. I still recomend Ubutnu to anyone making their first leap into using linux or who wants a solid full featured desktop on a more powerful machine, but gentoo offers a solid distro that will grow (and shrink) with you.
I need to buy one, and I'd like to avoid the ndiswrapper stuff, and googling for chipsets, etc is taking forever.
Anyone know a model that "just works" with Ubuntu?
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
On Hoary Hedgehog Korean support didn't work. In fact, if you even tried to add Korean as a keyboard layout, you got errors. So, does Korean work on Breezy Badger?
Can't believe this is slashdot, more than 600 comments and I am the first to say BADGERBADGERBADGER
Sometimes people ask if Ubuntu is up to hype. But if you think about, Ubuntu has little competition. How many distros
1- Are totally commited to freedom
2- Have the sole purpose of helping the community*. Are the real deal, not a crippled version of the paid version (this is specially important, and one of the main causes of the other points)
3- Are serious and professional (no RandomGeekPersonalDistro, please)
4- Are focused on usability("Just works", marvelous default package selection, short release cycle with awesome QA, etc.) , good to newbies and experts.**
5- Have great support both from vendors and an outstanding community*** ?
Ubuntu found an almost unexplored market. Its no wonder it is so successful. There is great future for them.
* Canonical being for-profit doesn't invallidate the point. Shuttlework has made clear that the money is secondary, Canonical won't yield huge profits and he doesn't expect it to make him any filthier rich than the already is. And the management of Ubuntu has flawlessly reflected this.
** The "just work" factor is one of the best, and I only don't say *the best* because I haven't tested everyhing out there. I mean excellent hardware support, tight and careful selection of default installed packages , very simple but efficient installer... even the menus are greatly organized. And of course, the usability and maintainability magic of apt and synaptic, now made even easier with the enhanced "Add Applications" tool. And the great release cycle, providing you the latest and greates without resorting to untested packages or compiling from source (still possible if you like but not necessarry). Their QA is amazingly good but still fits in a 6 month schedule. I could go on and on.
*** Great community. Very helpful forums, great help on the web (like www.ubuntuguide.org), agile developers that fix bugs in a second (which is a pleasure to the geek reporting the bug, and stimulates him to report more). Canonical providing support and calling other companies to do the same is good too. All this and the efforts of Canonical to partner with vendors (the HP deal, the OEM installer...) suggest that there is great future for this distro. This distro is well regarded, see for example the partnership with HP and certain commercial programs having versions for Ubuntu when the distro was in its early days, and, well, all the hype around it.
I love Ubuntu for the soothing warm earth toned theme... Sick of the neon blue-green crap. I love wool sweaters and hot cocoa too. Mmmmm... hot cocoa...
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Badger Badger Badger
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I've yet to read anyone posting about the fact they ship free CDs too. Not the free except for shipping crap, but actually at no direct financial cost to you. More info here: http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
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http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/breezy/ubuntu-5.10-i nstall-i386.iso.torrent
So does PPOE work out of the box yet?
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Yeah, I think it's pretty sensible. If you want to be able to log in as root, it's as simple as adding an ssh key or 'sudo passwd'. But of course there are some well-known advantages to never actually logging in as root.
*Puts surrounding nodes on the queue to explore*
Oh wait, **AA, not A*.
*Puts customers on the queue to sue*
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Despite comment being erased.
Stupid yanks.
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You do know that you can get Ubuntu with KDE, called Kubuntu, right?
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
"We were impressed. My wife ran it as her OS for a few months, but ultimately relented and switched back to windows. We simply run and play too many windows games for linux to be a real solution for us."
:)
The simple solution would be to dual-boot; Windows for games and Ubuntu for everything else. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
That's how I have my computer set up... but I'm not a gamer, so my Windows partition takes long naps (I boot Windows on Patch Tuesdays to make sure I'm up to date
as simple as adding an ssh key or 'sudo passwd'.
Those both modify the system disk, and needlessly. If all you want is to login as root, then "sudo su".