Why is there no mention of fuel cells or hydrogen in the article? Weren't these supposed to give the greatest energy density?
10L of water + (electricty from an outlet) -> lots of 2xH + 0 -> convert to electricity via fuel cells -> 10L of water goes back into the car's reservoir for another recharge.
HOWEVER, if you play games, regardless of whether or not you are on an AMD/INTEL system currently--if your system is pretty new--Do not upgrade at this time, as you are GPU limited, not CPU limited. Basically conroe: Large performance gains in cpu bound applications Little performance gain in gpu bound applications, obviously.
I'm not sure why everyone keeps repeating this, is it really based on your experience? My current system is an AMD SD 3700+ w/ SLI 2 X 7800GTs + 2gigs of PC3200. I'm also running at 1920X1080 for most of my games. When I'm monitoring FPS in games like HL2 I usually see 60fps, but whenever a lot of physics happens...like blocks breaking on glass maps, or other map related factors involving environmental computation I see my fps drop like a stone...sometimes to as low as 15fps. This is usually when I get shot and killed.
I can't help but believe that a faster CPU like the conroe would be exactly what I need to speed up these physics computations that are litteraly frame lagging me to death.
I guess one could argue that physics computations in games are not 'gpu bound applications', but we are talking about general gaming performance here right? If so, I would say the CPU is becoming more important as game designers are using more and more advanced physics algorithms in their games.
I have a better idea, one that is easy for everyone to implement. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Treat it as such.
The flip-side of this is that harmless facts have more staying power.
Noone cares about a rare species of marmont so it's very likely that information about the marmont will be accurate, but if facts are politically endangering to a particular individual (or company) there's an increased likelyhood of falsification.
Expect huge smokescreens and misrepresentation of the facts for GWD, Iraq War, Kenneth Lay, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, Wal-Mart, Nike, media monopolies etc.
excerpt: "It follows the story of a troublesome schoolboy in reform school as he tries to _stand up to bullies_, gets picked on by teachers, plays pranks, and even tries to get the girl. All of this takes place in the fictional Bullworth Academy."
Emphasis mine.
Don't listen to Jack Thompson, k? He has no clue what he's talking about.
My apologies. Well this is what forums are for, getting to the heart of things.
A difficult console transition, FTC investigation, re-rating of GTA: San Andreas and more have put Rockstar and Take-Two in an unenviable position. We've received word that in addition to people who left because of studio closures, even more either fled or quit. Are Rockstar employees jumping ship or is this just a result of cost-cutting at Take-Two?
Maybe, or Rockstar was actually populated with conscientious people and most people didn't know it.
The development of Bully in which you play a schoolyard thug who tortures fellow classmates for fun might just have been the breaking point for some of Rockstars talent. It's time to move on when you're asked by your boss to do work that is morally contrary to your beliefs...I think a number of Rockstar's best and brightest did just that.
The GTA series was sylish and artistic, 'Bully' is irresponsible and sadistic.
I wonder if proper body and vehicle armor is cheaper than prosthetics, multiple surgeries, psychological counseling, and a lifetime of subsequent health problems. I also wonder what these soldiers lost their limbs for.
While I agree with your antiwar tone, it's because of proper body and vehicle armor that the number of soldiers losing their limbs (instead of their lives) is increasing steadily. There is no body armor technology capable of keeping a soldier's foot from being destroyed by an IED mine, his hand being blown off by an IED boobie trap, or whole limbs being blown off by the larger anti-vehicle IEDs.
"I am new to liquid-cooling, and I have designed a system for use in a micro-ATX OpenBSD server, with the following layout: Fillport > Reservoir/Pump > Y Split (one to CPU and the other to chip-set) > Y Reconnect > Radiator/Fan > Back to the fillport. I don't like the idea of having the hot coolant coming from the CPU going directly to the chip-set, hence the Y split. Could this split cause any problems? Would there be a difference in pressure (considering the CPU is most likely a lot hotter) that could cause an issue? How would you handle liquid-cooling more than one component? What if I wanted to cool 3 components, such as in the case where I add a video card to this setup later on?"
Splitting the main(Y-split) to cool several devices is generally not recommend over cooling multiple components in serial.
Most people go: Pump->CPU->radiator->reservoir
some people go: Pump->CPU->Video GPU->radiator->reservoir
and very few people go: Pump->CPU->Video GPU->Chipset->radiator->reservoir
( or even Pump->CPU->Video GPU #1>-Video GPU #2->Chipset->Memory->radiator->reservoir)
As you add more and more stuff to the circuit, you'll also need a bigger pump, a bigger radiator, and you'll have to seal the connection points more carefully to gaurd against leaks resulting from higher pressure. It's the general consensus that splitting the coolant in a parallel fashion like you're describing is less effective than connecting the components in serial. The primary reason is that flowrate X volume is king in water cooling...with a Y-split you're cutting your CPU water cooling volume in half, and probably restricting flow even further with narrower tubing. Also, pressure drop in the system is a function of how much tubing you use. More tube, less pressure. People have tried this before...and their results weren't comparable with serial.
I'm assuming you want to water cool so you can overclock. If this is so, then you need to prioritize your CPU over everything else. If you don't plan on overclocking and just want the silence, then you're still better off using serial because it's cheaper and safer(less connection points means a lower leak probability).
Don't worry about warm water returning from the CPU and 'heating' the chipset. Fast flowrate and the high heat capacity of water keep this from being a problem. Generally the water temperature across the entire circuit is nearly homogenous(maybe 1-2 degrees difference).
The congresscritters claim to be examining this issue fairly on behalf of the consumer. Here's the response from my representative after signing the google petition:
Dear Mr. xxxxxx:
Thank you for contacting my office regarding the issue of internet neutrality. I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and the opportunity to respond to you.
Net neutrality is the philosophy that internet service providers (ISP's) should not be allowed to prioritize content and services (particularly video) that come across their "pipes". I believe there is a need to strike a balance between preventing interference with internet traffic, while allowing the ISP's to continue to invest in this nation's internet and telecom infrastructure. Ultimately, I think it is important to provide equal access for these consumers and a balanced playing field for all involved. I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and will keep them in mind as legislation comes before the Senate for consideration.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.
This same argument was used to deregulate california power companies in the 90s so they would have incentives to build more power stations, it didn't work. Rolling blackouts(or in this case poor service based on your packet identity) on the internet will not 'benefit consumers'.
The government should rigorously regulate the telecoms to _ensure_ best access for _all_ consumers, as well as allowing new technologies like youtube.com a chance to grow. I'd much rather see my tax dollars subsidizating of faster routers than supporting more bloodshed in Iraq.
However by not being a semiconductor it will not be a CPU.
"Superconductivity occurs in a wide variety of materials, including simple elements like tin and aluminium, various metallic alloys, some heavily-doped semiconductors, and certain ceramic compounds containing planes of copper and oxygen atoms. The latter class of compounds, known as the cuprates, are high-temperature superconductors. Superconductivity does not occur in noble metals like gold and silver when they occur in an elemental form, nor in most ferromagnetic metals, though a number of materials displaying both superconductivity and ferromagnetism have been discovered in recent years; noble metals do exhibit superconductivity when in an alloy."
The 'temperature' of things in the shade in space is about 2.7K. That's 2.7 degrees above absolute zero. As long as you can put the satellite in orbit so that it's constantly in the shade(i.e. keep the earth between the satellite and the sun) this could be a very practical idea. Then there's the problem of how you power the computer...the usual way to do this is with solar power...maybe you'd need a recharge cycle ever week or so before moving the 'computer' back into the shade. Naturually there are infrared emissions from earth that the satellite would absorb...so I'm not sure how much that would impact the resulting steady state temp of the satellite...but it would probably be negligible. So, you'd be relying on the radiative emissions from the satellite to 'cool' the housing of the satellite as the CPU is heating it. Usually that's not very efficient, but we don't have much experience working in a 2.7K vacuum.
At those temperatures you might even be able to take advantage of superconduction. A superconducting CPU wouldn't produce any heat.
Any JPL/NASA scientists out there have an hour to kill? This might be a fun little project to model.
What it boils down to is that Congress is once again whoring itself to telecom giants who, rather than evolving their business models to fit the Internet, are using their money and their knowledge of just how willingly politicians will prostitute themselves.
Yes. And though I'm probably going to get modded into oblivion for saying this, the net neutrality bill was defeated along party lines with Republicans selling your internet to corporations.
The next time you, or a friend of yours, decides they are going to vote Republican please remember this bill.
I thought maybe you had a sport 30" display LCD, not a converted TV.
haha.
Actually it is a monitor. It's perfectly compatible with HDTV but you need to purchase your own tuner. I thought this was a good approach given the FCC bs over Broadcast Flags etc.
Here's my current gaming rig, I need SLI to drive the very high resolution 37"(1920X1080) display (anti-aliasing etc.)
CPU: AMD 3700+ SD Overclocked to 2530mhz (230X11 Aircooled 80mm @ 5,500RPM w/ 4 Heatpipes 1.456V 36C/44C) (very loud, my PC is in a seperate sound isolated room...I have been considering water cooling but have yet to take the plunge) Board: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe RAM: 4 X 512 OCZ Platinum EL Rev. 2 TCCD (230mhz 2,3,3,5 Aircooled NB 2.8V 37C/41C) Video: 2 X eVGA 7800GT SLI (stock) Drive: 74GB WD Raptor Sound: Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic + PA2v2 Headphone Amp + Sennheiser HD595 Headphones PSU: Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 550W Power Supply (not recommended, poor quality control on these...some are fine others are not...I got a not) Case: CM Stacker Display: Westinghouse 37" 1920X1080 LCD (best purchase of my life)
37" may seem too large for a PC display, but I sit back in a reclining chair with a viewing distance of about 6 feet. It's so comfortable I can game for 16 hours straight(which I do on occasion).
It's a sweet setup...I'm CPU and fsb limited but I can play almost all games at max settings 1920X1080. Low resolution emulated games (Dos, MAME, Atari ST, NES, commodore, amiga, apple IIgs) etc. all look great on this screen.
PS2 was a disappointment. PS3 was a disappointment. SOE is a disappointment.
Three strikes, you're out. Not suspended.
Yeah it's disappointing to see how poorly Sony understands the origins of gaming. They really need to hire some old-school table-top/PnP gamers as consultants. The nerdier the better.
Actually, the entire board of directors should attend gen-con and dragoncon annually...that'll learn 'em.
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What I don't understand about these programs is...what good is a laptop without internet access?
Do these laptops come standard with modems and free internet access? If not, what's the point?
Wow, support the US government and get modded flamebait.
Yeah, the same government that overwhelmingly supports the abolition of net neutrality...go figure.
They can't take the sky, but they sure as hell took the airwaves. Damn Fox.
And the internet is next, *sniff*
it's the pressurized tank of hydrogen
Palladium can absorb "up to 900 times its own volume of hydrogen at room temperatures." There's no need to pressurize anything.
Why is there no mention of fuel cells or hydrogen in the article? Weren't these supposed to give the greatest energy density?
10L of water + (electricty from an outlet) -> lots of 2xH + 0 -> convert to electricity via fuel cells -> 10L of water goes back into the car's reservoir for another recharge.
rinse repeat?
HOWEVER, if you play games, regardless of whether or not you are on an AMD/INTEL system currently--if your system is pretty new--Do not upgrade at this time, as you are GPU limited, not CPU limited. Basically conroe: Large performance gains in cpu bound applications Little performance gain in gpu bound applications, obviously.
I'm not sure why everyone keeps repeating this, is it really based on your experience? My current system is an AMD SD 3700+ w/ SLI 2 X 7800GTs + 2gigs of PC3200. I'm also running at 1920X1080 for most of my games. When I'm monitoring FPS in games like HL2 I usually see 60fps, but whenever a lot of physics happens...like blocks breaking on glass maps, or other map related factors involving environmental computation I see my fps drop like a stone...sometimes to as low as 15fps. This is usually when I get shot and killed.
I can't help but believe that a faster CPU like the conroe would be exactly what I need to speed up these physics computations that are litteraly frame lagging me to death.
I guess one could argue that physics computations in games are not 'gpu bound applications', but we are talking about general gaming performance here right? If so, I would say the CPU is becoming more important as game designers are using more and more advanced physics algorithms in their games.
I have a better idea, one that is easy for everyone to implement. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Treat it as such.
The flip-side of this is that harmless facts have more staying power.
Noone cares about a rare species of marmont so it's very likely that information about the marmont will be accurate, but if facts are politically endangering to a particular individual (or company) there's an increased likelyhood of falsification.
Expect huge smokescreens and misrepresentation of the facts for GWD, Iraq War, Kenneth Lay, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, Wal-Mart, Nike, media monopolies etc.
excerpt:
"It follows the story of a troublesome schoolboy in reform school as he tries to _stand up to bullies_, gets picked on by teachers, plays pranks, and even tries to get the girl. All of this takes place in the fictional Bullworth Academy."
Emphasis mine.
Don't listen to Jack Thompson, k? He has no clue what he's talking about.
My apologies. Well this is what forums are for, getting to the heart of things.
As a general rule, you're not supposed to pan something unless you've given it the courtesy of suffering through it.
Yep, and the devs have suffered through it and they're jumping ship. You tell me!
I dislike Jack Thompson as much as the next gamer, but this game is undefendable trash.
A difficult console transition, FTC investigation, re-rating of GTA: San Andreas and more have put Rockstar and Take-Two in an unenviable position. We've received word that in addition to people who left because of studio closures, even more either fled or quit. Are Rockstar employees jumping ship or is this just a result of cost-cutting at Take-Two?
Maybe, or Rockstar was actually populated with conscientious people and most people didn't know it.
The development of Bully in which you play a schoolyard thug who tortures fellow classmates for fun might just have been the breaking point for some of Rockstars talent. It's time to move on when you're asked by your boss to do work that is morally contrary to your beliefs...I think a number of Rockstar's best and brightest did just that.
The GTA series was sylish and artistic, 'Bully' is irresponsible and sadistic.
I wonder if proper body and vehicle armor is cheaper than prosthetics, multiple surgeries, psychological counseling, and a lifetime of subsequent health problems. I also wonder what these soldiers lost their limbs for.
While I agree with your antiwar tone, it's because of proper body and vehicle armor that the number of soldiers losing their limbs (instead of their lives) is increasing steadily. There is no body armor technology capable of keeping a soldier's foot from being destroyed by an IED mine, his hand being blown off by an IED boobie trap, or whole limbs being blown off by the larger anti-vehicle IEDs.
"I am new to liquid-cooling, and I have designed a system for use in a micro-ATX OpenBSD server, with the following layout: Fillport > Reservoir/Pump > Y Split (one to CPU and the other to chip-set) > Y Reconnect > Radiator/Fan > Back to the fillport. I don't like the idea of having the hot coolant coming from the CPU going directly to the chip-set, hence the Y split. Could this split cause any problems? Would there be a difference in pressure (considering the CPU is most likely a lot hotter) that could cause an issue? How would you handle liquid-cooling more than one component? What if I wanted to cool 3 components, such as in the case where I add a video card to this setup later on?"
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Splitting the main(Y-split) to cool several devices is generally not recommend over cooling multiple components in serial.
Most people go: Pump->CPU->radiator->reservoir
some people go: Pump->CPU->Video GPU->radiator->reservoir
and very few people go: Pump->CPU->Video GPU->Chipset->radiator->reservoir
( or even Pump->CPU->Video GPU #1>-Video GPU #2->Chipset->Memory->radiator->reservoir)
As you add more and more stuff to the circuit, you'll also need a bigger pump, a bigger radiator, and you'll have to seal the connection points more carefully to gaurd against leaks resulting from higher pressure. It's the general consensus that splitting the coolant in a parallel fashion like you're describing is less effective than connecting the components in serial. The primary reason is that flowrate X volume is king in water cooling...with a Y-split you're cutting your CPU water cooling volume in half, and probably restricting flow even further with narrower tubing. Also, pressure drop in the system is a function of how much tubing you use. More tube, less pressure. People have tried this before...and their results weren't comparable with serial.
I'm assuming you want to water cool so you can overclock. If this is so, then you need to prioritize your CPU over everything else. If you don't plan on overclocking and just want the silence, then you're still better off using serial because it's cheaper and safer(less connection points means a lower leak probability).
Don't worry about warm water returning from the CPU and 'heating' the chipset. Fast flowrate and the high heat capacity of water keep this from being a problem. Generally the water temperature across the entire circuit is nearly homogenous(maybe 1-2 degrees difference).
To learn more:
1) Goto http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=099a5c
2) Spend at least 2 hours reading the stickies etc. (or register and ask your own question, the folks there are very knowledgeable.)
Good luck with it!
The congresscritters claim to be examining this issue fairly on behalf of the consumer. Here's the response from my representative after signing the google petition:
Dear Mr. xxxxxx:
Thank you for contacting my office regarding the issue of internet neutrality. I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and the opportunity to respond to you.
Net neutrality is the philosophy that internet service providers (ISP's) should not be allowed to prioritize content and services (particularly video) that come across their "pipes". I believe there is a need to strike a balance between preventing interference with internet traffic, while allowing the ISP's to continue to invest in this nation's internet and telecom infrastructure. Ultimately, I think it is important to provide equal access for these consumers and a balanced playing field for all involved. I appreciate your thoughts on this subject and will keep them in mind as legislation comes before the Senate for consideration.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.
Sincerely,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator
For future correspondence with my office, please visit my web site at
http://isakson.senate.gov/contact.cfm
This same argument was used to deregulate california power companies in the 90s so they would have incentives to build more power stations, it didn't work. Rolling blackouts(or in this case poor service based on your packet identity) on the internet will not 'benefit consumers'.
The government should rigorously regulate the telecoms to _ensure_ best access for _all_ consumers, as well as allowing new technologies like youtube.com a chance to grow. I'd much rather see my tax dollars subsidizating of faster routers than supporting more bloodshed in Iraq.
Ah, yeah you're right.
However by not being a semiconductor it will not be a CPU.
"Superconductivity occurs in a wide variety of materials, including simple elements like tin and aluminium, various metallic alloys, some heavily-doped semiconductors, and certain ceramic compounds containing planes of copper and oxygen atoms. The latter class of compounds, known as the cuprates, are high-temperature superconductors. Superconductivity does not occur in noble metals like gold and silver when they occur in an elemental form, nor in most ferromagnetic metals, though a number of materials displaying both superconductivity and ferromagnetism have been discovered in recent years; noble metals do exhibit superconductivity when in an alloy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity
Maybe because heat dissipation in space is poor?
The 'temperature' of things in the shade in space is about 2.7K. That's 2.7 degrees above absolute zero. As long as you can put the satellite in orbit so that it's constantly in the shade(i.e. keep the earth between the satellite and the sun) this could be a very practical idea. Then there's the problem of how you power the computer...the usual way to do this is with solar power...maybe you'd need a recharge cycle ever week or so before moving the 'computer' back into the shade. Naturually there are infrared emissions from earth that the satellite would absorb...so I'm not sure how much that would impact the resulting steady state temp of the satellite...but it would probably be negligible. So, you'd be relying on the radiative emissions from the satellite to 'cool' the housing of the satellite as the CPU is heating it. Usually that's not very efficient, but we don't have much experience working in a 2.7K vacuum.
At those temperatures you might even be able to take advantage of superconduction. A superconducting CPU wouldn't produce any heat.
Any JPL/NASA scientists out there have an hour to kill? This might be a fun little project to model.
Net Neutrality According to Google
What it boils down to is that Congress is once again whoring itself to telecom giants who, rather than evolving their business models to fit the Internet, are using their money and their knowledge of just how willingly politicians will prostitute themselves.
Yes. And though I'm probably going to get modded into oblivion for saying this, the net neutrality bill was defeated along party lines with Republicans selling your internet to corporations.
The next time you, or a friend of yours, decides they are going to vote Republican please remember this bill.
I love the idea of a dual-core 4ghz processor, but the memory and video card selections on that rig are pretty shabby.
Most game programmers optimize their engines around video cards these days, not the CPU.
How much did all of that cost, and was it worth it?
Roughly $4,000.
It's worth it to me because I game 7 days a week. My car is a piece of junk and I live on a very thin budget, everything else goes into the PC.
I thought maybe you had a sport 30" display LCD, not a converted TV.
haha.
Actually it is a monitor. It's perfectly compatible with HDTV but you need to purchase your own tuner. I thought this was a good approach given the FCC bs over Broadcast Flags etc.
Here's my current gaming rig, I need SLI to drive the very high resolution 37"(1920X1080) display (anti-aliasing etc.)
CPU: AMD 3700+ SD Overclocked to 2530mhz (230X11 Aircooled 80mm @ 5,500RPM w/ 4 Heatpipes 1.456V 36C/44C) (very loud, my PC is in a seperate sound isolated room...I have been considering water cooling but have yet to take the plunge)
Board: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
RAM: 4 X 512 OCZ Platinum EL Rev. 2 TCCD (230mhz 2,3,3,5 Aircooled NB 2.8V 37C/41C)
Video: 2 X eVGA 7800GT SLI (stock)
Drive: 74GB WD Raptor
Sound: Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic + PA2v2 Headphone Amp + Sennheiser HD595 Headphones
PSU: Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 550W Power Supply (not recommended, poor quality control on these...some are fine others are not...I got a not)
Case: CM Stacker
Display: Westinghouse 37" 1920X1080 LCD (best purchase of my life)
37" may seem too large for a PC display, but I sit back in a reclining chair with a viewing distance of about 6 feet. It's so comfortable I can game for 16 hours straight(which I do on occasion).
It's a sweet setup...I'm CPU and fsb limited but I can play almost all games at max settings 1920X1080. Low resolution emulated games (Dos, MAME, Atari ST, NES, commodore, amiga, apple IIgs) etc. all look great on this screen.
PS2 was a disappointment.
PS3 was a disappointment.
SOE is a disappointment.
Three strikes, you're out. Not suspended.
Yeah it's disappointing to see how poorly Sony understands the origins of gaming. They really need to hire some old-school table-top/PnP gamers as consultants. The nerdier the better.
Actually, the entire board of directors should attend gen-con and dragoncon annually...that'll learn 'em.
I liked that article, it's too bad they won't mix WoW and EQ...as many mistakes as WoW made they did make some sizeable improvements over EQ as well.
Corpse runs are definately something that should be left in the past.