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Frozen Chip from IBM hits 500 GHz

sideshow2004 writes "EETimes is reporting this morning that IBM and Georiga Tech have demonstrated a 500 GHz Silicon-germanium (SiGe) chip, operating at 4.5 Kelvins. The 'frozen chip' was fabricated by IBM on 200mm wafers, and, at room temperature, the circuits operated at approximately 350 GHz."

417 comments

  1. Ah! by irn_bru · · Score: 5, Funny

    Still hope for the G5 Powerbook then!

    1. Re:Ah! by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have to wonder about RF shielding. After all, even 802.11 gear runs at 2.4GHz, that's enough to cook ones private parts after extended use of a laptop. And with processors going in the same frequency range you can bet they're radiating RF. Luckily I made the decision not to have kids, but to those who might, you may want to reconsider resting that laptop in your lap.

      Cooked gonads tend not to work so well.

    2. Re:Ah! by aplusjimages · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe IBM will have two markets, one for super computers the other birth control.

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    3. Re:Ah! by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Funny
      Better plan on buying a Powerplant to run *that* Powerbook.

      -Eric

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    4. Re:Ah! by dubmun · · Score: 3, Funny
      Cooked gonads tend not to work so well.
      Lead codpieces for everyone!
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    5. Re:Ah! by insanehomelesguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Free with every laptop. 1 container of liquid hydrogen.

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    6. Re:Ah! by starm_ · · Score: 1

      500GHz is mightlily close to the frequency of visible light. Do you think this processor glows when it run?

    7. Re:Ah! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Likely not. it is designed such that the energy is focused on work not light emmission. That said I'm sure there is some IR emmission as there is with any uP chip.
      -nB

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    8. Re:Ah! by furry_wookie · · Score: 5, Informative


      Not quite... 500 Ghz (500 x 10^9) is a LONG WAY away from even the beginning of Infrared 3 TerraHz (3x10^12), and visible light does not start until about 430 TerraHz (4.3x10^14).

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    9. Re:Ah! by Enrique1218 · · Score: 4, Funny

      absolutely, all we have to do is keep it supplied with liquid helium at $24/gallon. We are mac users, we are use to these extra expenses.

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    10. Re:Ah! by Carewolf · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It will glow just as much as current processors will microwave your brain!

    11. Re:Ah! by odourpreventer · · Score: 1
      Infrared 3 TerraHz

      Is that radiation emitted from Earth?

    12. Re:Ah! by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Informative

      After all, even 802.11 gear runs at 2.4GHz, that's enough to cook ones private parts after extended use of a laptop.

      No, it isn't. 802.11 kit has an RF power output of around 100mW - absolute peanuts compared to your 800W microwave oven. The RF radiation from an 802.11 network isn't enough to cook anything.

      What you might be referring to is the thermal output produced by a laptop, which is down to the CPU and hard drive rather than the 802.11 transmitter and that can cook your privates mostly through conduction, not radiation.

    13. Re:Ah! by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Excellent point! I hadn't even thought of that when I saw it.

    14. Re:Ah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when we do get processors that fast, we can stop modding our cases with those cool LEDs for the most part. The processor will be cool enough to look at as it is

    15. Re:Ah! by chgros · · Score: 2, Insightful

      500 Ghz (500 x 10^9) is a LONG WAY away from even the beginning of Infrared 3 TeraHz (3x10^12)
      So a 6x factor is a LONG WAY?

    16. Re:Ah! by theGeekDude · · Score: 1

      No matter how high the speed, Norton Anti Virus will slow it enough that it still seems equivalent to a 486.

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    17. Re:Ah! by dangil · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, IBM helped the nazi to catalog the jews.. also, the nazi , before deciding to simply kill the jews, where experimenting with "neutering" the jews. now this comes to surface ! .. make your own connections.....

    18. Re:Ah! by jeriqo · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but it's a stupid point.
      Does 2Thz sound produce light ?
      huh.

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    19. Re:Ah! by pixellette · · Score: 0
      Did you read the article fully?
      [...] developments like this one typically found their way into commercial products in 12 to 24 months. [...] At 500 gigahertz, the technology is 250 times faster than chips in today's cellphones, which operate at 2 gigahertz.
      Nothing about laptops, it's all for cellphones. So don't worry about those body parts. Prepare for ultra super-duper cellphones next year!
    20. Re:Ah! by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Someone please mod parent "dumb". The difference is between 5 x 10^11 and 3 x 10^12, less than an order of magnitude. The statement about the frequency of visible light is accurate, however (though the boundary between infrared and red is closer to 4.1 x 10^14 Hz).

    21. Re:Ah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absolutely, all we have to do is keep it supplied with liquid helium at $24/gallon. We are mac users, we are use to these extra expenses.

      still cheaper than filling my car's tank. sign me up.

    22. Re:Ah! by redcane · · Score: 1

      Sound is pressure waves travelling within matter. As i understand it light is "electromagnetic" radiation, the same thing that radio transmissions operate on.

    23. Re:Ah! by TWX · · Score: 1

      I'm remembering a science fiction novel that featured those, and I think that it was Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were another one of his works like The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. It's been awhile since I've read anything of his.

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    24. Re:Ah! by TWX · · Score: 1

      "Nothing about laptops, it's all for cellphones. So don't worry about those body parts. Prepare for ultra super-duper cellphones next year!"

      What if I like my cellphone on Vibrate and in a certain place, huh?

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    25. Re:Ah! by dubmun · · Score: 1

      It was Do Androids.... I read it recently and it was the inspiration for the comment.

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    26. Re:Ah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon, 500 x 10^9 sure is a long way from 5 x 10^11 ;)

    27. Re:Ah! by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Correct. Sound waves at the same frequency of visible light would just be vibrations, not radio energy.

    28. Re:Ah! by papercut2a · · Score: 1

      IBM did nothing more than sell Germany the same census equipment that they sold the rest of the world, most of it before the Nazis came to power. It was how the Nazis used it that was evil, not that the equipment existed in the first place or that it was IBM who had sold it.

    29. Re:Ah! by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      Oh, I see. So let's sell weapons to terrorists. You know it's how they use them which is evil not the weapons themselves. And why don't we start with selling nuclear power plants to Iran and while we're at it equip North Korea with some cool trans-continental rockets. It's just the same stuff as anyone else is using...

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  2. but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does it run linux?

  3. I RTFA.. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 5, Informative
    "By comparison, 500 GHz is more than 250 times faster than today's cell phones, which typically operate at approximately 2 GHz, according to the organizations."


    I think that speaks for itself.
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    1. Re:I RTFA.. by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Several cell phones just run at real time. So they really do run at 2.4 ghz for the signal processor, while the system itself is on another chip at a different speed.

      REmember even though it's running at 2.4 ghz it's extremely dedicated and doesn't produce a lot of heat.

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    2. Re:I RTFA.. by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, but....it's 2.4Ghz!!! They're reeeaaally fast!!

      I can play Qbert on mine, so it must be fast!!

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    3. Re:I RTFA.. by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's the point. Reading between the lines, this isn't about general-purpose CPU chips, this is about specialised signal processors. In other words, don't expect to be buying an Intel or AMD chip running at 30+GHz anytime soon.

    4. Re:I RTFA.. by not+already+in+use · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't read the article, but people don't seem to be making a big deal out of the fact that they are comparing the frequency at which a cellphone transmits data to the clock speed of a processor.

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    5. Re:I RTFA.. by ignipotentis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can understand your concern. However, after IBM backs this up, it forces me to do more research (which, I haven't finsihed yet obviously).

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    6. Re:I RTFA.. by GundamFan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well it is all frequency of electomagnetic pulses... but you are right the comparison is mighty strange.

      It seems the linked article was writen (badly) for a non technical audiance by a non technical author... So why write about super cold and super fast processors?

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    7. Re:I RTFA.. by snarkh · · Score: 3, Funny


      Hah, that's nothing. My microwave runs at 100 Ghz.

    8. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well something in your cell phone must be producing the 2Ghz! i seem to recall a simple NOT gate went at around 5Ghz last time i timed it. Im guessing the chip is just a couple of gates.

    9. Re:I RTFA.. by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless you custom built your microwave, it actually runs at 2.4ghz...

      However, this is Slashdot... Does your microwave also have a big spoiler (vent), and 30" rims (buttons)?

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    10. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, I got ripped off. I just spent 150 bucks on a cellphone and it only runs at 850MHz. :-(

    11. Re:I RTFA.. by dushkin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I overclocked my phone to 3.0 GHz and added watercooling. Works like a charm now

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    12. Re:I RTFA.. by k33l0r · · Score: 1

      I think that's the performance you get if you freeze the cellphone to 4.5K...

      Though I'm not too sure about how the LCD [LIQUID Crystal Display] and battery will take it.

    13. Re:I RTFA.. by garaged · · Score: 1

      can you be so kind to tell me where did you get your qbert rom ? I haven't played it since 10, thats about 21 years now you now ??

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    14. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I understand, this is a transistor, and not a CPU. That means that we are now able to create silicon based transistor that can operate at 500Ghz. But it was already possible with other type of transistors. More over, the 2.4Ghz is the frequency of wifi, so I think it is not the speed of CPU which is discussed here, but the frequency of waves.
      The only really interesting thing here is that it is based on silicon, and not that it's an incredible speed...

      ZooL

    15. Re:I RTFA.. by not+already+in+use · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would be a much more impressive comparison if they compared it to say, the typical 60hz refresh rate of a monitor. God... monitors these days, they're so slow!

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    16. Re:I RTFA.. by snarkh · · Score: 1


      It is overclocked, of course.

    17. Re:I RTFA.. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they would take it by getting really hard.
      I mean um...
      yeah that didn't come out right but it works.
      -nB

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    18. Re:I RTFA.. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but no. It came with my Sony Erricson T616, I didn't get it anywhere.

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    19. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think that's the performance you get if you freeze the cellphone to 4.5K...


      Though I'm not too sure about how the LCD [LIQUID Crystal Display] and battery will take it.


      They'd take it a fair bit better than your face... well maybe not your face, but...
    20. Re:I RTFA.. by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The official QBert game online:

      http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/qb.html

    21. Re:I RTFA.. by atmurray · · Score: 1

      I don't know if anyone has explained this but I promise you there is no 2 GHz digital in mobile phones. Saying a mobile phone operates at 2 GHz is like saying my laptop runs at 5 GHz as its got an 802.11a wireless card in it (which uses the 5Ghz specturum).

      There is a 2 GHz ANALOG BASEBAND signal from the antenna but this is demodulated IN ANALOG and then by the time the analog signal is converted to digital its sampled in the order of a few MHz.

      There is certainly no processor in a mobile phone which is fed by anything like a 2 GHz clock, this is just absurd.
      Reporters like this should be taken out and shot for not runing their story by someone with knowledge in the area before publishing.

    22. Re:I RTFA.. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Interesting but I can not see much use in a 350ghz rf system. Talk about line of sight!
      Could be very interesting for the next generation of lans.

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    23. Re:I RTFA.. by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      That makes little sense to me as SiGe isn't exactly NEW tech. I think Cray did this back in the 80's for vector processors and before that TI or Bell Labs was making some transistors based on simular.

      This is just a pre-pre product anouncement AFAIK.

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    24. Re:I RTFA.. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      But does it run Linux?

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    25. Re:I RTFA.. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      And it runs a custom BSD kernel and is also a web server.

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    26. Re:I RTFA.. by frostilicus2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pah! My flashlight runs at 750000 Ghz (7.5 x 10^14 Hz). Its portable, has a 12 hour battery life, lets me see in the dark AND sports a durable andonized aluminum casing.

      Beat that IBM.

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    27. Re:I RTFA.. by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I initially thought that, but then realised that the article doesn't at any point describe what this chip actually does. So, I surmise that it isn't a general purpose processor (which would be a ridiculous leap forward: a processor that clocks in at around 200 times current-gen consumer systems?), but probably a digital signal processor of some kind. 500GHz might then be its sampling frequency, meaning that it could work with 250GHz signals. At this point, comparing its clock speed to the frequency of a radio signal is a useful, meaningful comparison.

    28. Re:I RTFA.. by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      These are RF frequencies, not CPU frequencies folks.

      --Joe
    29. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several cell phones just run at real time. So they really do run at 2.4 ghz for the signal processor, while the system itself is on another chip at a different speed.

      Why wouldn't they just down convert the signal like normal cell phones?

    30. Re:I RTFA.. by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Or even the frame rate of NTSC televisions at 29.97 Hz. Or of typical film-based movies at 24 Hz.

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    31. Re:I RTFA.. by p00ked · · Score: 1

      Hah, that's nothing. My microwave runs at 100 Ghz. Well let's hope you don't switch it on near a flightpath of a migrating flock of birds.

    32. Re:I RTFA.. by Pollardito · · Score: 1
      "By comparison, 500 GHz is more than 250 times faster than today's cell phones, which typically operate at approximately 2 GHz, according to the organizations."
      I think that speaks for itself.
      it certainly does. finally i can replace this beowulf cluster of 2000 cellphones with one simple-to-maintain device
    33. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... are they really confusing the carrier frequency of the cellphone with the internal clock of a microprocessor?

      Journalists ... ahahah

    34. Re:I RTFA.. by dushkin · · Score: 1

      No, it runs Vista, because Vista is superior to any other operating system because the start menu graphic is prettier. (True story.)

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    35. Re:I RTFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      err... no, the signals are modulated at around 2GHz, actual bandwidth is around 5MHz. WCDMA (the 3G tech most commonly used here in Europe) uses a chip rate of 3.84 Mbs.

    36. Re:I RTFA.. by snarkh · · Score: 2, Funny


      I don't know about BSD kernels but popcorn comes out fine.

    37. Re:I RTFA.. by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      They can't even get a 4 GHz chip.

      I don't want multiple cores, etc.

      More GHz and I can use time slicing to run more programs in parallel.

      Multiple cores don't help with non-parallelizable problems.

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    38. Re:I RTFA.. by JDevers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but one is feasible and the other isn't.

      This 500GHz chip is massively smaller than a general purpose CPU. With CPUs the size of the modern A64 or P4 (or Core for that matter), 500 GHz would be physically impossible without using some alternative to electricity to propagate signals or at least run async. Electricity literally doesn't flow across the chip fast enough. Now a 2 square millimeter DSP doesn't have near those issues.

    39. Re:I RTFA.. by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      My LED runs in Planck time.

      You're going to need 20 years of Stephen Hawking to beat that. Owned.

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  4. So... by kjart · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...above 500 GHz by cryogenically "freezing" the circuit to minus 451 degrees Fahrenheit (4.5 Kelvins).

    How long before I can get a kit like that for my P4?

    1. Re:So... by insanarchist · · Score: 1

      Actually, cryogenically freezing P4's is the only way to get them to comfortable levels at STOCK SPEED

    2. Re:So... by foamrotreturns · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...above 500 GHz by cryogenically "freezing" the circuit to minus 451 degrees Fahrenheit (4.5 Kelvins).
      How long before I can get a kit like that for my P4?

      Fahrenheit -451, eh? Sounds familiar. I wonder if that's the temperature at which paper is fragile enough to break into millions of tiny pieces, T-1000 style.
  5. Only one further step now.. by BlackMesaLabs · · Score: 2, Funny

    and that is to IMAGINE A BEOWULF CLUSTER!
    Oh, you thought I had something insightful to say? Nope ^_^

  6. I had no idea by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 0, Redundant

    By comparison, 500 GHz is more than 250 times faster than today's cell phones, which typically operate at approximately 2 GHz, according to the organizations.

    Wow, I didn't realize that cell phones typically run at 2GHz+

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    1. Re:I had no idea by xav_jones · · Score: 4, Funny

      They do if they have a good run-up and are going downhill with a tailwind.

    2. Re:I had no idea by bshatley · · Score: 2, Funny

      That really is a great reference. With the ever increasing speed of processors these days, it would be useful to have a good reference unit, like horsepower. My desktop has 1 cellphonepower, but you can overclock an 805D to 2 cellphonepower!

    3. Re:I had no idea by rcamera · · Score: 1
      it would be useful to have a good reference unit

      isn't that kind of the point of the scoring system in winvista? the 500GHz processor would get a score of 243, but the overall system would score a 2 because there's only 128Mb of video memory.
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    4. Re:I had no idea by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1
      isn't that kind of the point of the scoring system in winvista? the 500GHz processor would get a score of 243, but the overall system would score a 2 because there's only 128Mb of video memory.
      Real Men benchmark with glxgears.

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    5. Re:I had no idea by Reverend528 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wow, I didn't realize that cell phones typically run at 2GHz+

      How else would they be able to run java?

    6. Re:I had no idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DSP on a cellphone typically runs around 2 GHz. The general purpose CPU runs at a much, much slower clockrate.

    7. Re:I had no idea by QuesarVII · · Score: 1

      I realize you may have meant that as a joke... but glxgears is a horrible benchmark.

      If you really want to benchmark graphics, try viewperf. glxgears is too simple to actually stress a modern gpu. You're testing the rest of the system more than the graphics card with glxgears.

  7. i want by present_arms · · Score: 1

    a compile farm of these :D

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    1. Re:i want by Maelwryth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its all good......until you hit the bus.

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    2. Re:i want by doti · · Score: 5, Funny

      i want a compile farm of these

      The poor soul uses gentoo.

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    3. Re:i want by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Imagine a Beo...

    4. Re:i want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better than getting hit by a bus, i guess

    5. Re:i want by p00ked · · Score: 1

      i want a compile farm of these
      Why bother? you still wouldn't get windows vista to operate at a decent speed with a whole cluster of these.

  8. In other news... by Kiaradune · · Score: 5, Funny

    Suit has been filed against a well known business and a school for violations of Moore's law.

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    1. Re:In other news... by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do know Moore's Law relates to the number of transistors on a chip, and doesn't have anything to do with clock speed, right?

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moore's Law states that microprocessor complexity (i.e. # of transistors, not clock speed) at a certain price point doubles every 24 months. So this chip is probably right in line with what was available 2 years ago for the same $$$.

    3. Re:In other news... by imbaczek · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1 Encyclopedia Nazi

    4. Re:In other news... by William+Robinson · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention 'AMD annonced, this chip will be 25% cheaper than that of IBM'.

    5. Re:In other news... by akuma(x86) · · Score: 1

      How do you get more transistors on a chip with the same area?
      You reduce the transistor dimensions by making it smaller - Moore's law roughly says that the transistor density follows an exponential (2x/24 months or 18 months, depending on who you ask).
      By making it smaller, you ALSO make it faster as a side-effect.
      So, in effect, the original poster is correct - clock speed increases with Moore's Law.

      The problem is that power/area remains constant.

      So at some point this wonderful ride will come to an end - because even with cryogenic cooling, there is a fundamental thermodynamic limit to the amount of heat you can dissipate from a solid.

      I win the "my-post-is-more-pedantic-than-your-post" award.

  9. Why? by reset_button · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting, but wouldn't it be better to just use two of these chips at room temperature, rather than spend time/money/space on cooling the chip to 4.5 Kelvins?

    1. Re:Why? by Mushdot · · Score: 1

      This is similar to the goals of creating superconducting materials - can they get this to happen at room temperature rather than when supercooled? I guess only time and further research will tell.

    2. Re:Why? by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He meant that 350GHZ in room temperature is by far more revolutionary than 500GHZ at 4K.

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    3. Re:Why? by Serious+Simon · · Score: 2, Informative

      These are not microprocessors, and the achievement is not the amount of computing power you can get from them but the extremely high frequency of the signal they can generate. And that is not something you can increase by adding more chips!

    4. Re:Why? by pomakis · · Score: 1
      It's interesting, but wouldn't it be better to just use two of these chips at room temperature, rather than spend time/money/space on cooling the chip to 4.5 Kelvins?

      Yeah, but now they can operate two of these chips at 4.5 Kelvins. Blammo! One terahertz!

    5. Re:Why? by Nutria · · Score: 1
      It's interesting, but wouldn't it be better to just use two of these chips at room temperature, rather than spend time/money/space on cooling the chip to 4.5 Kelvins?

      You're missing the point. These are researchers. They are researching how fast the CPU can be pushed.

      How difficult is that to understand?

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    6. Re:Why? by doublebackslash · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do believe that this is a DSP, or digital signal processor and hence the amount of information that can be had from a signal is dependent on the speed that the DSP runs at. It may seem overkill to sample a signal at 210x its frequency (assuming 2.4 GHz range), but that can allow for all manner of interesting signal encoding to help transmissions approach the Shannon limit and allow for more tunable transmission of data (meaning that you get the speed you need while investing as little energy as possible). Plus with a processor like that and a small antenna array one can setup a highly directional signal, saving more energy.

      The why lies a few years away in implementation when the speed is brought down to production levels, but lets give credit to a bunch of scientists with to much funding, time, and liquid helium (?) on their hands. Bravo.

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    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4.5 Kelvins

      Kelvin. No "s". 4.5 Kelvin. Kelvin, dammit. Kelvin, Kelvin, Kelvin...

    8. Re:Why? by BenHoltz · · Score: 1

      Yah if they didnt cost an arm and a leg...

    9. Re:Why? by IorDMUX · · Score: 1

      This technology would not be used to build CPU's doing calculations at 500 GHz (at least not anytime soon), but for signal processing--i.e. sending, recieving, de/modulating, etc. on a band up to 500 GHz.

      Putting two of these in paralell would not improve the frequency any more than holding two 2.4 Ghz cell phones and trying to talk on a 4.8 Ghz band.

      [Yes, I know sin^2(x) -> sin(2x) + others, but that's a different story.]

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    10. Re:Why? by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      Nah, that wouldn't be geeky...

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    11. Re:Why? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing, it DOES work.

      Your normal CMOS chips would NOT work at such low temperatures.

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    12. Re:Why? by wiml · · Score: 1

      For consumer products, probably; but this is cutting-edge research. Also, not all problems are perfectly parallelizable; in fact, some problems are hardly parallelizable at all, and two 350GHz chips will not get you the result any faster than one 350GHz chip.

    13. Re:Why? by alexfromspace · · Score: 1
      It's interesting, but wouldn't it be better to just use two of these chips at room temperature, rather than spend time/money/space on cooling the chip to 4.5 Kelvins?

      It would be better and it is. That is exactly why consumer machines do not have coolers that operate below the water freeze point attached to their processors. And this is also exactly why dual-processor or multi-core machines are made for the general public.

    14. Re:Why? by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Mod up. This is not about CPU transistors, but about transistors as RF amplifiers. These would not even be likely to work at the stated frequencies, since at max frequency the gain would presumably drop to 1x. With fancy engineering and distributed amplifier techniques, a moderately lower frequency could be achieved in useful devices such as communications trancievers and phased-array millimeter-wave radars.

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  10. 500 GHz... by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!!!11

  11. No no... by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    the real step is pondering WHETHER IT CAN RUN LINUX!

    Obviously in soviet russia linux ponders you... or... something...

    1. Re:No no... by theskipper · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's so fast that it will lead to truly self aware computers. Ones that can think up some new lame memes.

  12. Someone's gotta say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this enough for Vista?

    1. Re:Someone's gotta say it by bonehead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not quite, but remember this is still in development. Once they start producing the dual-core, hyperthreading "Extreme Edition", it should run Vista just fine.

    2. Re:Someone's gotta say it by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      As soon as the debug info is stripped, it might.

      Unless of course you want that 3D desktop, too.

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    3. Re:Someone's gotta say it by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Once they start producing the dual-core, hyperthreading "Extreme Edition", it should run Vista just fine.

      ...until SP1 comes out (currently scheduled for 2010, I believe).

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    4. Re:Someone's gotta say it by llvllatrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems for every jump in speed, Microsoft builds a more useless infinite loop...

    5. Re:Someone's gotta say it by vmerc · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean RC1? ;)

    6. Re:Someone's gotta say it by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
      Not quite, but remember this is still in development.

      You troll, Its plenty for Vista, without Aero!

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    7. Re:Someone's gotta say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this enough for Vista?

      I don't know about Vista, but rumor has it that it might just be sufficient to finally permit smooth window resizing in OS X.

    8. Re:Someone's gotta say it by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      And still it wouldn't be enough as soon as you launch a heavy application, like Mine Sweeper.

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    9. Re:Someone's gotta say it by colmore · · Score: 2, Funny

      Microsoft in 2011: "The widely quoted 2010 release date for Vista SP1 was an internal development target and was never intended as a promise to the public."

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    10. Re:Someone's gotta say it by shelterpaw · · Score: 0

      Should be enough for the embedded edition.

  13. How complex of a chip? by interiot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    TFA wasn't clear... I assume this wasn't running a larger fully synchronized CPU with memory and multi-level cache at 500GHz, but is instead running a smaller number of transistors at that speed?

    1. Re:How complex of a chip? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Given the comparison in the article with mobile phone transmission frequencies, I'd guess it was built for some kind of signal processing application.

  14. Can these these chips do any calculations? by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or have they just been fabricated to demonstrate that they can attain high GHz rates?

    1. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by daBass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are right, sort of. This could be useful for some very specialized processors that are very simple but need to do these simple operations very fast.

      A CPU like the one we use now in PCs can't go much higher than 10GHz simply because, at light speed, an electron wouldn't have enough time to make it through the long circuit paths before the next clock cycle.

    2. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      Yes. That's what we have ASIC's for. A CPU is overkill.

    3. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by Carewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually they can't even do 1GHz at light speed. But that's why we have pipelining, and current generation have between 10-20 pipeline steps..

      Next gen with 20+ like the Pentium IV have however already flopped.

      In theory you could have a 100GHz Pentium V with 100 pipeline stages. The problem is really that it most likely wouldn't be faster than a 2GHz Pentium M.

    4. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by mpathetiq · · Score: 1

      I knew Asics made you run faster, but don't you think the speed of light is a bit unattainable with only a simple change of running shoes?

    5. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      Not to beat a dead horse, but the Pentium IV is by no means a flop. In terms of sales, it was a blockbuster for Intel. Although architecturally, it was a dead end.

    6. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by EvanED · · Score: 3, Insightful

      at light speed, an electron wouldn't have enough time to make it through the long circuit paths before the next clock cycle.

      It doesn't need to go through the long circuit path...

      In fact, signals haven't gone through a whole path since (at the latest!) the 286. The processing is already divided into stages, and it only passes through one stage in each clock cycle. (Look up pipelining.)

      It would be theoretically possible to design a chip that operated at a lot higher clock speed just by making the stages shorter.

      Think of an old fire fighting bucket brigade. If you have one person carry the bucket from the source to the fire, you're gonna have a hard time getting control. If you add people, at some point you can add people until everyone just passes the buckets down the line without moving. If you continue to add people, the buckets will probably not move a lot faster, but you'll have more buckets "in flight" at any given time. Note that the time it takes any given bucket to get to the fire has actually INCREASED because there's overhead in the handoffs and everyone isn't synchronized, but you're gonna get a lot more water on the fire than if you just had one person. You'll also see a bucket being thrown onto the fire much more frequently.

      In some sense, the buckets are like instructions, the firefighters are like pipeline stages, and the frequency with which any given person changes buckets is like the clock speed. In a processor, you can add more stages to your pipeline and make it so that each stage has each instruction for less time. There is a limit to the minimum time, just as there is for the firemen (you at least have to grab the bucket from the person before you and let go when the person in front has it, and adding more people to the line won't help at all with that overhead), but the limit isn't the time from fire hydrant to fire.

    7. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually they can't even do 1GHz at light speed. But that's why we have pipelining, and current generation have between 10-20 pipeline steps..

      Not to mention that signals don't travel at c inside the chips. However, the signal path lengths can be decreased substantially by producing 3D integrated circuits. However, then heat dissipation becomes a real problem since there's more silicon for the heat to pass through before it gets to your heatsink. Of course this may not be a problem if your heatsink has a temperature of 4.5K :)

      I'm curious how silicon reacts to these temperatures though - a lot of stuff becomes superconducting at such low temperatures.

    8. Re:Can these these chips do any calculations? by whit3 · · Score: 1

      Probably they CAN'T do any digital operations. This professor's other work is in phased-array
      radar, so this 'chip' is a processor only in the sense that my Cuisinart is a processor. It isn't
      a digital computer.

            At most, it has some digital enable/control inputs.

            But, that doesn't mean it isn't a real and important accomplishment. Vacuum tubes worked for
      decades in radio before their qualities as digital building blocks were exploited!
      Umm... maybe that's a bad example.

  15. Just a sec... by crhylove · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everybody knows you can't trust ghz ratings. I mean, a 3.2 ghz athlon is clearly a bit faster than the 3.2 ghz pentium. Right? Oh, wait, you said .5 TERAHERTZ?!?! Oh, yeah, then I'll take one of those please. And that big ass freezer, thanks.

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    1. Re:Just a sec... by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      I'll take the .35THz version without the freezer, thanks.

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    2. Re:Just a sec... by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      I'll take a few of their rejects that only made it to .1THz

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  16. In other news... by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    AMD today announced the launch of the Athlon XP 500000+. The chip has a "stock speed of around 3.0 GHz, but is named for it's IBM equivalent".

  17. THAT WASN'T THE POINT by technoextreme · · Score: 4, Informative

    Arggg read the article they said they wanted to test the theoretical limits of these chips. They know speed increases with temperature. They wanted to know how much.

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    1. Re:THAT WASN'T THE POINT by nonlnear · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Exactly.

      By finding the last point on the temp/speed curve, they are able to much more accurately determine the entire curve. i.e. It's a lot easier to interpolate to more realistic cooling levels. And it makes for a cool headline too.

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    2. Re:THAT WASN'T THE POINT by sco08y · · Score: 3, Informative

      They know speed increases with temperature.

      Don't you mean "decreases"?

    3. Re:THAT WASN'T THE POINT by jmichaelg · · Score: 1, Troll

      Ahhh /. Where factual corrections get moderated as trolls.

      YO MODERATORS!!! The parent is correct - the grandparent does have the temperature/speed relationship backwards.

    4. Re:THAT WASN'T THE POINT by Surt · · Score: 1

      In the context of the article, he actually most likely meant that speed increases as the temperature improves (approaches zero).

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    5. Re:THAT WASN'T THE POINT by evilviper · · Score: 1
      They know speed increases with temperature.

      Don't you mean "decreases"?

      Umm... Not likely. CPUs don't get slower as they get hotter (blah, blah, except if you count throttling, but that's not the point).

      I think what he means is: "I left several words out of this sentence. You guess which ones."
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  18. Finally a Machine That: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is capable of running Windows Vista

  19. The tempurature at which books freeze by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny
    by cryogenically "freezing" the circuit to minus 451 degrees Fahrenheit
    Somewhere, the mirror-universe Ray Bradbury is stroking his goatee with anger.
    1. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by ThosLives · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This is a wonderful comment!

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    2. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by Mozk · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I actually laughed at that. :)

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    3. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by unk1911 · · Score: 0

      What mirror-universe are you referring to exactly? Last I checked Ray Bradbury was alive and kicking.

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    4. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by aricusmaximus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You clearly have not watched enough Star Trek.

      Go rent old Trek seasons 1 & 2 and pay particular attention to this episode.

    5. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by darb_is_fat · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Brilliant comment.

    6. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by booch · · Score: 1

      Wow. I think you COMPLETELY missed the joke. It's a mirror universe because the article is talking about -451 degrees Fahrenheit. In our universe, Bradbury wrote a book called Fahrenheit 451.

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    7. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in the mirror universe, GP got the joke.

    8. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by Hormonal · · Score: 1

      What mirror-universe are you referring to exactly? Last I checked GP was alive and kicking.

    9. Re:The tempurature at which books freeze by unk1911 · · Score: 1

      my apologies.. i read 'fahrenheit 451' - just missed the mirror-universe reference... sorry

  20. IBM's pretty smart... by idiotdevel · · Score: 0

    ... preparing for Vista already I see

  21. Obligitory Yes but... by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 0, Redundant

    1. Will it run Linux?
    2. Will it run MAME at full speed?
    3. Will Word load up any faster?

    Have I forgotten any?

    1. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by TechNin · · Score: 0, Redundant

      4. In Soviet Russia, computer chip processes you.

    2. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by chemystery · · Score: 1

      Well... Will the hunk of sand run Vista? 'twas said before meetinks...

    3. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Kuxman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Will it run Vista?

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    4. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will my mp3s download faster? (yes, back when the P4 came out, I saw a Dell ad saying that one advantage of the P4 was "Download your mp3s faster!")

    5. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      1. Likely this will be a DSP, so if you try really hard, you'll get uCLinux to run on it, but it's not meant to do that, it will run dedicated assembly tasks best.
      2. No. Not enough cache mem, too slow RAM bus speeds.
      3. This is not a harddrive.

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    6. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4. Will we finally be able to install Gentoo in less than 24 hours?

    7. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Herkum01 · · Score: 0, Redundant
      1. Will it run Windows Vista?
      2. Will it run Oblivion at medium resolution
      3. Will it run Norton Anti-Virus?
    8. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

    9. Re:Obligitory Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will Java/Netbeans load in under 20 seconds?

  22. great by hostylocal · · Score: 0

    all i need now is to get one of these working at room temperature for less than the cost of my current house and then convince microsoft it might be a good idea to do a vista driver for it and then maybe, just maybe vista will boot in under four minutes. happy day!

  23. So how fast was this chip? by demongeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was it blazingly fast? Is this destined to be the new hot item this Christmas? Will IBM come under fire from companies like AMD and Intel?

    1. Re:So how fast was this chip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How fast was this chip?

      I hear with Gentoo you can install KDE in under 48 hours!

  24. Uberistor? by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hrm... a batch of transistors that'll relay at clock speeds of 350Ghz. Then they tossed on their P4 cooler and watched it superconduct. Why am I not surprised at 500Ghz? At 4.5K, it's clearly superconducting. And the phone comparison... I like EE Times, but that writer needs to be shot. The editor deserves a slap on the wrists for letting it in (unless they're referring to some strange property of phones). "For the first time, Georgia Tech and IBM have demonstrated that speeds of half a trillion cycles per second can be achieved in a commercial silicon-based technology, using large wafers and silicon-compatible low-cost manufacturing techniques,[and absurd cooling that allows us to leverage the properties of superconductivity]" (fixed). IBM: Design it Today, Figure out what the hell we're going to do with it 7 years from Tomorrow. (And yes, I'd get a microprocessor designed with these ubersistors).

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    1. Re:Uberistor? by GeffDE · · Score: 1

      If you read the article (or the one at The New York Times), you will notice that in both cases, both authors attribute the cell phone comparison to "the organizations." Neither author was responsible for that.

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    2. Re:Uberistor? by neonv · · Score: 0

      There's no reason to believe the materials are superconducting. If they were to make a chip using superconducting technology, that would be a feat in and of itself. A superconductor isn't made by cooling any conductor down to low temperatures, it depends on the material as well. If they're using aluminum, then the superconducting temperature is no higher than 3.7K, a lower temperature than they were using. There is no superconductor here, sorry.

    3. Re:Uberistor? by sjwt · · Score: 1

      you dont want a superconducting chip, thay woudltn work, theres no resistance, no controll over flow, it just lets the charge stright though with no loss.. BAD(tm) thing for a chip/transitor to do.

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  25. Safety tip by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny
    200mm wafers

    Do not place one of those "thin, mint wafers" on Mr. Creosote's tongue.

    You are welcome.
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    1. Re:Safety tip by the+web · · Score: 1

      Howevur, 200mm is not Wafor thien.

      I think there's an error in the article. Shouldn't it read Nm? 20 centemetres, 200mm (millimetres) is two thirds of a foot.

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    2. Re:Safety tip by ronanbear · · Score: 2, Informative

      200mm is the diameter not the thickness

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    3. Re:Safety tip by the+web · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clarifying that. Of topic a bit then, but completely serious question.

      I'm certain the end product isn't dependant on the size of the resource. So why is it even a point to say it?
      Example: my car was built on a 300 yard long production line, your's was only built on a 250 yard production line, therefor my car is better? Worse? Who gives a hell!? It's not the size it's how you use it?! I'm confused!

      Back on topic, that's still too big a mint for Monsieur Creosote's tongue.

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    4. Re:Safety tip by booch · · Score: 1

      The 200 mm wafer size gives a good indication of what generation of technology it was made with. The latest fabs use 300 mm wafers; 200 mm is the most common in use today. (Another indication that you're probably right that it was meaningless to include. But they also confused 2 GHz RF with 2 GHz CPU speeds.) As you suggest, the only real advantage of the wafer size is how many chips you can make at one time.

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    5. Re:Safety tip by treeves · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between a 150mm fab, a 200mm fab and a 300 mm fab, in terms of capital investment and technology.
      Today's 65nm state-of-the-art CMOS processes run on 300mm wafers.

      BTW, compound semiconductors (like GaAs, et al.) are typically still made on 150mm wafers or smaller.

      The absolute latest technology (extreme UV, not used in production anywhere) research is usually done on 4 inch (100mm) wafers.
      No reason to make tools larger when you're only trying to prove the concept, not sell chips. I'm sure IBM did it on 200mm because it was available.

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  26. 1.2mm per cycle by bytesex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    350 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 (375 809 638 400) cycles per second divided by the distance light travels in a second (299 792 458 000 mm / s) is 1.2 mm. Just thought I'd throw that in.

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    1. Re:1.2mm per cycle by ThosLives · · Score: 2, Informative
      *blinks twice to make sure I really read that math correctly*

      :
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      *sighs in dismay*

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    2. Re:1.2mm per cycle by imbaczek · · Score: 2, Informative

      -1 All Wrong

    3. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... That also means that any given signal could (even with zero overhead) only travel 1.2mm per cycle.

      I guess we're reaching the level where CPUs have to wait not for the peripherals hardware, but for itself, 'cause the signals are simply too slow.

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    4. Re:1.2mm per cycle by bytesex · · Score: 0

      Sorry; that's the reverse of course: 29979245800 mm/s / 375809638400 cycle/s = 0.079772424 mm/cycle

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    5. Re:1.2mm per cycle by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the GHz means 1024^3Hz. More probably it's a real Giga and it means 10^9.

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    6. Re:1.2mm per cycle by PeDRoRist · · Score: 1

      Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that the speed of light in a vaccuum? Shouldn't the signal be significantly slower in this chip?

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    7. Re:1.2mm per cycle by amjacobs · · Score: 1

      I believe the usual first-order approximation is (2/3)*c.

    8. Re:1.2mm per cycle by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I got it wrong again (a zero missing; damn keyboards) ! Never mind; it's (in a vacuum) approximately 0.8 mm/cycle. Reducing that by 2/3's would make it approach 0.5 mm/cycle. Let's just say it's a really tiny little bit of distance for a wave to travel before another one gets stirred up in the medium they travel in. Must be a really small wave, too.

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    9. Re:1.2mm per cycle by shis-ka-bob · · Score: 1
      I was thinking about this too. But I think it is even worse than that ....

      I think you need to divide this by the permittivity of silicon relative to the permittivity of free space is around 12, light is only going to travel about 0.1 mm. (Extra credit to anyone that knows the speed of light varies inversely with the product of permittivity * permiablity. For anything other than a ferromagnetic material, the relative permiablity is very nearly 1, so only the relative permittivity is need for 'back of the envelope' estimates.) At this frequency, the static permitivity is probably a bad value to use. Does anyone know reasonable values for this sort of frequency?

      This must make is tough to build a device. It would be like keeping marching bands 'on beat' along a long parade route (long means the time delay is a beat or two) where they can only use sound to keep the beat.

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    10. Re:1.2mm per cycle by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I never understood why clock repartition is an issue for chip building. Just put the clock in the center and make sure the wires taking the clock signal to the different parts of the chip are all the same length (yes, you will have to coil the closest ones). Then no matter how far they all get the same click at the same time. Make sure connected areas are all smaller than 1.2mm. Done.
      Disclaimer: IANACD (I am not a chip designer... just a user)

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    11. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this means is that the regions farthest away from the clock opperate at a later time than the areas closest. They still operate at the same speed as the rest of the chip.

    12. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Pants75 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hertz arn't in multiples of 1024. And your divide is the wrong way round. (c / (350,000,000,000)) * 1000 = 0.85654988 m / s 85cm ish. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=(c +%2F+(350%2C000%2C000%2C000))+*+1000&meta= I think...

    13. Re:1.2mm per cycle by William+Robinson · · Score: 1

      You did it correct way. Just that multiplying 1000 makes it different. You should get answer of 0.85 mm or 850 micrometer. May be future processors will be multiple tiny neuro networks operating at 350GHz.

    14. Re:1.2mm per cycle by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      The problem occurs when you need to get a signal from the divider circuit back to the register circuit - which is on the opposite side of the chip - in one clock cycle. How it is solved is that you place buffers to delay the signal an integer number of cycles, but that of course slows the computation down somewhat.

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    15. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Pants75 · · Score: 1

      You are correct.... I was incorrectly converting into meters when c was already in meters.

    16. Re:1.2mm per cycle by neovoxx · · Score: 1

      500GHz would be 500 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000.

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    17. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't an electron also have inertia (albeit small) and take time to reach this speed or is it quantum voodoo?

    18. Re:1.2mm per cycle by SassyDave · · Score: 1

      350 GHz is actually 350,000,000,000 Hz. It's not 350 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 Hz like we would convert gigabytes to bytes. Therefore, the actual max distance between cycles is 1.167mm, which is even worse. In reality, the physical clock domains in a chip can be smaller than the entire chip itself, since electrons only need to flow between stages of the pipeline, and not the entire breadth of the chip (hopefully).

    19. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Saberwind · · Score: 1

      You should be multiplying by 1000, not 1024. The number 1024 doesn't factor into clock speed, only memory size.

    20. Re:1.2mm per cycle by treeves · · Score: 1

      Only a CS major would think of this. [rolls eyes]
      And, no a kilometer is NOT 1024 meters.

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    21. Re:1.2mm per cycle by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Most of the signal path is through copper or aluminum, no? IIRC the velocity in copper is about 0.3c. Also, this tech is for millimeter-wave RF, not digital, so the complexity of the critical circuit paths should be less. 100-300 microns is enough to do quite a bit when the feature size is low.

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  27. Finally they froze the design by ghoul · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brings a whole new meaning to the engineers traditional sigh of relief

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  28. You must be a Gentoo user! by Strolls · · Score: 1
    i want a compile farm of these
    For all that leet funroll-loops goodness, huh?

    Stroller.

  29. One or two others... by FoamingToad · · Score: 1

    Does it still take thirty seconds to fire up Acrobat Reader?
    Do you need a pair of them for Oracle 9i?
    Is it on the minimum spec for Vista Ultimate?

    I'll get me coat.

  30. Might help speed up... by blcamp · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...development on Duke Nukem Forever. Or make it compile a trifle faster.

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    1. Re:Might help speed up... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why do you think?

      Oh, right, that has been frozen for years now!

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  31. computers in space by pdjohe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since these temperatures only occurs naturally in space, why not build a super, big cluster of these things, hook them up to a satallite and launch it into orbit.

    1. Re:computers in space by thiophene · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because cold due to vacuum is different than cold due to liquid He.

    2. Re:computers in space by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Since these temperatures only occurs naturally in space, why not build a super, big cluster of these things, hook them up to a satallite and launch it into orbit.


      Maybe because heat dissipation in space is poor? I know you can do magic with water evaporation under such low pressure to dissipate heat, but how much water would you need to send up there to provide cooling for reasonable time?

      Cheers

      Raf
    3. Re:computers in space by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Since these temperatures only occurs naturally in space, why not build a super, big cluster of these things, hook them up to a satallite and launch it into orbit.

      Dr. Evil: I call it moon-base alpha. And I will place my "laser" into orbit.

      Scott Evil: *cough* ripoff *cough*
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    4. Re:computers in space by autophile · · Score: 2, Funny
      Since these temperatures only occurs naturally in space, why not build a super, big cluster of these things, hook them up to a satallite and launch it into orbit.

      Because then your KVM cables would have to be really, really long.

      --Rob

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    5. Re:computers in space by Docula · · Score: 1

      Thank you! Vacuums are not 'cold' - they are the perfect insulators in fact. In space the only way to lose heat is through electromagnetic radiation (i.e., infrared). The 3K temperature of space refers to this inherent background radiation that exists everywhere. If you wore a tinfoil suit in outer space and that was ALL, you would be quite warm!

    6. Re:computers in space by julesh · · Score: 1

      Since these temperatures only occurs naturally in space, why not build a super, big cluster of these things, hook them up to a satallite and launch it into orbit.

      Because the notion that these temperatures actually occur in space is a total myth, propounded by people with virtually zero physics knowledge trying to talk to people with even less physics knowledge about the inherent problems of space flight.

      Temperature is a property of a material, referring to the material's tendency to transfer heat energy into cooler material or away from warmer material due to thermal conductance, and to radiate EM radiation. Space is a (near) vacuum, hence there is no material to have such a property. Therefore, space does not have temperature.

      Keeping stuff cool in space is a big problem. If it generates heat (as the transistors on these chips will), then you have to find a way to dump that heat somewhere. Generally, the only option is radiation. Radiation is a very poor way of losing heat if you need to keep your system very cold.

    7. Re:computers in space by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "If you wore a tinfoil suit in outer space and that was ALL, you would be quite warm!"

      Not to mention being dressed in the height of "Slashdot conspiracy theory" chic. Just don't forget your hat...

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    8. Re:computers in space by johnw · · Score: 1
      Because then your KVM cables would have to be really, really long.

      But on the plus side, it would be a great start for building a space elevator.
    9. Re:computers in space by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      Maybe because heat dissipation in space is poor?

      The 'temperature' of things in the shade in space is about 2.7K. That's 2.7 degrees above absolute zero. As long as you can put the satellite in orbit so that it's constantly in the shade(i.e. keep the earth between the satellite and the sun) this could be a very practical idea. Then there's the problem of how you power the computer...the usual way to do this is with solar power...maybe you'd need a recharge cycle ever week or so before moving the 'computer' back into the shade. Naturually there are infrared emissions from earth that the satellite would absorb...so I'm not sure how much that would impact the resulting steady state temp of the satellite...but it would probably be negligible. So, you'd be relying on the radiative emissions from the satellite to 'cool' the housing of the satellite as the CPU is heating it. Usually that's not very efficient, but we don't have much experience working in a 2.7K vacuum.

      At those temperatures you might even be able to take advantage of superconduction. A superconducting CPU wouldn't produce any heat.

      Any JPL/NASA scientists out there have an hour to kill? This might be a fun little project to model.

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    10. Re:computers in space by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A superconducting CPU wouldn't produce any heat.
      However by not being a semiconductor it will not be a CPU.
    11. Re:computers in space by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      However by not being a semiconductor it will not be a CPU.

      "Superconductivity occurs in a wide variety of materials, including simple elements like tin and aluminium, various metallic alloys, some heavily-doped semiconductors, and certain ceramic compounds containing planes of copper and oxygen atoms. The latter class of compounds, known as the cuprates, are high-temperature superconductors. Superconductivity does not occur in noble metals like gold and silver when they occur in an elemental form, nor in most ferromagnetic metals, though a number of materials displaying both superconductivity and ferromagnetism have been discovered in recent years; noble metals do exhibit superconductivity when in an alloy."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity

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    12. Re:computers in space by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Interesting but not really related to my earlier comment. By definition a material that is in a superconducting state is not in a semiconducting state. Less obviously many materials behave differently at different temperates - the relatively easy to make BiSiCuYt superconductor for example is a good insulator at temperatures not far above that where it is a superconductor.

      It's the semiconducting state we use in transistors and diodes - hence it is not a superconductor at that point no matter what the material can do at different temperatures.

    13. Re:computers in space by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      Ah, yeah you're right.

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  32. Far infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we have a chip that operates at the same frequency as the radiation that it emits as heat. My brain hurts!

  33. Good but by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

    I want a dual core version! That way I'll be able to play Duke Nuke Em Forever on Windows Vista.

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    1. Re:Good but by the+web · · Score: 1

      ... with your grandchildren, in space.

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  34. Joke/Your Head by DragonHawk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You do know Moore's Law relates to the number of transistors on a chip, and doesn't have anything to do with clock speed, right?

    You do know that jokes are meant to be funny, and don't have to be factually accurate, right?
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    1. Re:Joke/Your Head by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh come on! I got the (slightly lame) joke, but I just get pissed off when people keep repeating this fallacy of Moore's Law being clockspeed. Sorry if that makes me a bit anal, and yes, I do always think the Nazis like I was in this case tend to look a bit stupid, but it's like `rediculous' and `MAC' and `legos'... sometimes you just get irritated heheh.

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    2. Re:Joke/Your Head by ThePelt · · Score: 0

      you do know jokes are supposed to be funny too, right?

    3. Re:Joke/Your Head by sendai2ci · · Score: 1

      You must be new here ;)

    4. Re:Joke/Your Head by vmerc · · Score: 1

      Yes, and usually jokes are only funny if they are at least partially factually accurate.

    5. Re:Joke/Your Head by Kiaradune · · Score: 1

      Hi Xerxesdaphat,

      Thank you for your correction for my (slightly lame) joke. I'm glad you enjoyed it enough to note it as only (slightly lame) and not (really lame) because then I would have felt terrible! I'm also sorry you got pissed off as I didn't realize that it was a sensitive issue with you. I'll be sure to check my facts with you in future to avoid posting anything else as rediculous and inaccurate as this! I'll go back to building with my legos...

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    6. Re:Joke/Your Head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... did you post that from your MAC?

  35. Obsolete Units by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From TFA - my emphasis

    IBM (Armonk, N.Y.) and Georgia Tech (Atlanta) claimed that they have demonstrated the first silicon-based chip capable of operating at frequencies above 500 GHz by cryogenically "freezing" the circuit to minus 451 degrees Fahrenheit (4.5 Kelvins).

    Is anyone in the scientific world still seriously using Fahrenheit? What happened to si. Ok, for old farts like me it's nice to have the weather in Fahrenheit because I know that 60 is a nice spring day, 70 is hot and 80, phew, what a scorcher, but if I'm doing science I would no more use Fahrenheit than I would measure distance in poles.

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    1. Re:Obsolete Units by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure that is the author writing down to his audience. I would have thought the cellphone comparison made that clear.

    2. Re:Obsolete Units by saucercrab · · Score: 4, Funny

      If 80 degrees is a scorcher to you, then it sounds like Fahrenheit isn't the only obsolete unit in this post.

    3. Re:Obsolete Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm assuming that in the lab the scientists are NOT using fahrenheit to keep track of temperatures -- but they may when talking to the popular media or to their mothers. I happen to work with ultra-cold atoms, which are chilled to hundreds of nanokelvin. Kelvin is what we use in the lab, but if I'm talking to a lay audience, or my parents, I use Fahrenheit. These are really inconceivably cold temperatures no matter what way you state them, but I've found "a whole mess of degrees below zero" to be more meaningful to friends and family members than "a few hundred nano-whatsits."

    4. Re:Obsolete Units by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

      If you live in northern UK then 80 is a scorcher, two inches of snow is a blizzard, and 3 cm of rain is a downpour. Weather descriptions depend on your outlook. 'Phew What A Scorcher' was a famous national newspaper headline (Daily Mirror, I think, but it might have been the Sun) during a 'heatwave' when the temperature went as high as 88F

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    5. Re:Obsolete Units by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he gives the figure in kelvins, so I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

      He's giving a figure that most americans will be able to at least somewhat relate to.

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    6. Re:Obsolete Units by FrankieBegbie · · Score: 1

      ...and if you think that 80 deg. F is not a scorcher in some places, I suggest you try venturing beyond your county boundary at some point in your life.

    7. Re:Obsolete Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me! We engineers still use Fahrenheit, Centigrade, Kelvin, and Rankin! By God, we use which ever one we feel like! I mean, you have to use R or K for absolute calculations, but other than that, we work in what we're most comfortable with/feel like that day.

      FYI:
          degrees C = K - 273.15
          degrees F = R - 459.67

      0K=0R=absolute 0

      And beyond that, we like to change our units into those that will be most readily understood by our audience (in America, that's degrees Fehrenheit) and the managers/sales people/marketing department likes to have us convert into whatever units sounds most impressive (read: biggest numeral AKA Fahrenheit for low, Kelvin for high [since most folks have no clue what a Rankin is]). Just sayin'.

    8. Re:Obsolete Units by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

      So why is the author writing down to his audience on a web site aimed at The Creators Of Technology (their words, not mine)

      Anybody reading EETimes should be able to think in Kelvin directly, and not have to have it transcribed to an obsolete system. In fact, the cell phone reference is pretty patronising as well

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    9. Re:Obsolete Units by wsxyz · · Score: 1

      Why? Is 80F hotter in some countries than in others?

    10. Re:Obsolete Units by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 1

      hey, don't ask me. I wish i knew.

    11. Re:Obsolete Units by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      The cellphone comparison was valid; the 500GHz chip isn't a general purpose CPU it would be more like the DSP in a cell phone, a general purpose CPU at 500GHz would have a massive cycles per instruction ratio. You just can't run the sorts of data required through logic gates in 2x10^-10 of a second so the pipeline would have to be massive.

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    12. Re:Obsolete Units by Cederic · · Score: 1


      Erm. yes.

      It's all relative..

    13. Re:Obsolete Units by n7022c · · Score: 1
      I know that 60 is a nice spring day, 70 is hot and 80, phew, what a scorcher

      Well, for those of us below the Arctic Circle, 70 isn't all that hot.

    14. Re:Obsolete Units by NeuralSpike · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should upgrade your friends and family to more intelligent models.

      (Just kidding...of course.)

    15. Re:Obsolete Units by hans_e · · Score: 1

      When I read your subject line, I thought you were talking about the other obsolete units in the article, namely GHz. When will these journalists learn? It's bogomips, people. It's all about the bogomips.

      Mmmm...bogomips...

    16. Re:Obsolete Units by karnal · · Score: 1

      70 is hot?

      Holy hell, how old are you?

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  36. If this is ever planning to come home... by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

    If this is ever planning to come home, all you case modders had better start working on a cooling system that'll take it down that far.

    In other words, at these temps, it's not very practical for the end user.

  37. Cool, but 2GHz in cell phones? by digitaldestiny · · Score: 1

    First: Nice. I bet Pixar and Walmart will want a couple of these babies. Second: 2GHz chips in cell phones? No way, it's more like 450-500MHz scalable chips in those brick sized cell phone PDAs, and like 200-300 scaleable chips in regular cell phones. A processor operating at 2GHz in a cell phone would likely not only melt, or atleast damage the thing from the heat produced, but also make short work of the batteries. In fact, I'm quite sure, that if you removed the active cooling from a 2ghz processor, and instead of putting a really big copper heatsink on it, placed a lithium battery on it, it would either explode, or burn like magnesium. At the very, VERY least, the chip would go the way of the dodos, and the battery would degrade and lose it's ability to hold current. Am I talking out of my ass?

    1. Re:Cool, but 2GHz in cell phones? by jam244 · · Score: 1
      2GHz chips in cell phones?
      It's not the central processor but the DSP that runs at 2.4 GHz. Even an old 900 MHz phone has a chip that runs at 900 MHz.
    2. Re:Cool, but 2GHz in cell phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the signal arriving into your cellphone is at 2.4ghz. meanint that at least some circuitry is operating at that frequency. the cpu of the phone is not what is being referred to, this is about how quickly they can get the gates of transistors to open and close, no more, no less.
      think about your post screen when booting up, it will say something like 133*18 meaning 133mhz clock over 18 processing elements. what they were testing was merely wheter one of these elements could be made in such a way that it could operate at extremely high rates. One of these on it's own would be totally useless... once they have made them stable and scalable, then things will get interesting.

  38. But... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Will it be fast enough to handle Vista?

    LK

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  39. 500 Giggles by Sqreater · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The achievement is a major step in the evolution of computer semiconductor technology that could eventually lead to faster networks and more powerful electronics at lower prices, said Bernard Meyerson, vice president and chief technologist in I.B.M.'s systems and technology group. He said developments like this one typically found their way into commercial products in 12 to 24 months."

    I think I'll put off buying a new computer for a couple of years or so...

    NEWS ITEM: Computer industry collapses due to consumers putting off purchases in anticipation of 500 GHz computers coming real soon now.

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  40. Perfect for Duke Nukem Forever ! by javaDragon · · Score: 1

    ... Not to RUN Duke Nukem Forever, of course, just to run the development environment at a decent speed, so that we may have a chance to actually play the finished game (or at least a decent beta, or even a playable pre-alpha, for christ's sake) before we die.

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  41. 10GHz Microwave? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a pretty odd microwave then, since most of them operate at 2.45 GHz, which is chosen because of the way it causes liquid water molecules to vibrate. See this article, particularly the graphs showing dielectric temperature as a function of frequency. It's pretty clear that a 10GHz microwave oven would be a lot less efficient at heating water than a conventional 2.45 GHz one, although I suppose you could choose a multiple of 2.45GHz and probably still have a functional product.

    Overall, unless your goal was to build a miniature microwave (a 21st century E-Z Bake Oven?), I don't know why you'd want to use 10GHz instead of 2.4Ghz ones. The tolerances of parts in the magnetron and waveguide would have to be much tighter, I think, and this would almost certainly cause it to be more expensive.

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    1. Re:10GHz Microwave? by twbecker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ahh the obligatory "I have no sense of humor so I'm going to use my superior intellect to reveal how something that was obviously meant as a joke could not be factually accurate". Do you have some inherent need to demonstrate your superior knowledge of microwaves?

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    2. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Obviously meant as a joke? It wasn't funny it was stupid. Being a dipshit is pretty poor comedy. It's not something that everyone can do well.

    3. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Crisses · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you have some inherent need to demonstrate your superior knowledge of microwaves?

      It wouldn't be slashdot if they didn't!

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    4. Re:10GHz Microwave? by NeuralSpike · · Score: 1

      So, according to the article you posted I should under-clock my microwave?

    5. Re:10GHz Microwave? by deesine · · Score: 1
      It was a joke, yes? Why not try and best his mediocre wit with a brilliant bon mot?

      Pedantic factoiding is not deadpanning and isn't funny.

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    6. Re:10GHz Microwave? by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually enjoy reading posts like his. I learn something that I wouldn't normally learn.

    7. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Being a dipshit is pretty poor comedy.

      I can think of worse, but thanks for demonstrating it to everyone else.

    8. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Ruie · · Score: 2, Informative
      Overall, unless your goal was to build a miniature microwave (a 21st century E-Z Bake Oven?), I don't know why you'd want to use 10GHz instead of 2.4Ghz ones. The tolerances of parts in the magnetron and waveguide would have to be much tighter, I think, and this would almost certainly cause it to be more expensive.

      Yes, but the heating would be more even.

    9. Re:10GHz Microwave? by echo+$jpn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, if I recall correctly, they're translational energy states, not vibrational ones... Vibrational states are much higher energy. But perhaps it's been too long since p-chem.

    10. Re:10GHz Microwave? by legalize.ganja.now. · · Score: 1

      maybe you should enable "thermal throttle"

    11. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suppose you could choose a multiple of 2.45GHz and probably still have a functional product.

      This is a common misconception about microwaves. 2.45 GHz isn't the best absobed. It's isn't some the frequency water vibrates at. Your article does a good job of explaining this all. To save you the time reading it, I'll quote the clearest line about this. The article you link to says, "The frequency for maximum dielectric loss lies higher than the 2.45 GHz (0.0817 cm-1) produced by most microwave ovens. This is so that the radiation is not totally adsorbed by the first layer of water it encounters and may penetrate further into the foodstuff, heating it more evenly; unabsorbed radiation passing through is mostly reflected back, due to the design of the microwave oven, and absorbed on later passes."

    12. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Don853 · · Score: 1

      Obviously meant as a joke? It wasn't funny it was stupid. Being a dipshit is pretty poor comedy. It's not something that everyone can do well.

      Why was this modded insightful? It's STUPID.

    13. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The heating would be more even potentially, but shallow. The other (obvious) thing I didn't think of in my earlier post was that as you increased the frequency, the waves would penetrate less far into the food, meaning that you'd have cold spots in the center. Maybe this would be useful for something (something that you'd want to cook the outside of but not the inside .. liquid-center cakes maybe?), but in general I think it would just be annoying.

      There are probably other molecules that you could heat by using different frequencies: I think any atom which is an electrical dipole will be "microwavable" at some frequency; it might be that there are uses for magnetron-based heating systems at higher or lower frequencies in industry somewhere. (Is SiO2 a dipole?)

      Or were you joking too and I'm going to get flames for responding to this? :)

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    14. Re:10GHz Microwave? by Ruie · · Score: 1
      Good point - I agree that penetration would suffer. On the other hand one could make some easy shells with a wand-like instrument which has slots for emitting microwaves. By dipping it (carefully) into the liquid it would solidify it at some distance from the wand and the intensity of the microwaves emanating from the slot would define how far the wall is - in essence projecting shape out of the wand, which can be easily removed after the process.

      Or were you joking too and I'm going to get flames for responding to this? :)

      I think the other guy does not know how to combine his humor with his logic. Who ever spoiled the joke with a technical comment ?

    15. Re:10GHz Microwave? by treeves · · Score: 1

      Not vibrational (which would be infrared: that's how IR spectroscopy works), not translational, but rotational, IIRC.

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    16. Re:10GHz Microwave? by brokenbeaker · · Score: 1

      actually, microwave energy corresponds to molecular rotations, not vibrations. vibrations happen at higher energies, in the infrared region...

  42. Link to GaTech/IBM press release by cinexero · · Score: 1

    Sadly, even my own school's press release says the chip operates at 250x cellphone speed. But the press release has much more techincal info then the EE Times article http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/half- terahertz.htm/

    1. Re:Link to GaTech/IBM press release by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      So I know the "official word" has the silly comparison to cell phone "speed", which is sad. I also understand that the implication is that these chips can do RF signal processing/generation on their own, which is what engineers are excited about.

      But what people don't realize is these chips are over 16,000 faster than ham radios!!11!!1!

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    2. Re:Link to GaTech/IBM press release by shis-ka-bob · · Score: 1

      If you are the hardware guy, this is the correct analysis of their problem space. They are trying to figure out stuff like 'how do I make a stable, high-q oscillator?' and 'what is the capacitive coupling between parallel conductors seperated by 300 nm' , not 'how many MIPS does this turn out?' Building cell phones doesn't require processing power as much as it requires being able to fabricate cheap gigahertz oscillators. What I want to know is if IBM can mass produce these strained layer semiconductors and if they can scale up to millions of components. If IBM can support Linux and violate Moore's Law, they will really be a cool company. Perhaps its time to invest in Big Blue :-)

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  43. The joke was factually inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be why it was crap, then.

  44. P.S. by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it can be overclocked? And if so, by how much?

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  45. Radiation, most likely by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Radiation is a big issue for computers in space. Shielding equipment is heavy (=expensive to get up there), and the smaller (and faster) CPU's ICs become, the more susceptible to radiation they become.

    There's a reason why NASA is trying their best to get their fingers on ancient CPUs.

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    1. Re:Radiation, most likely by amjacobs · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There's a reason why NASA is trying their best to get their fingers on ancient CPUs.

      Yes, space applications necessitate the need for radiation hardened processors. Due to the nature of the hardening process (special design rules, triple modular redundancy, etc.), these chips dissipate much more heat and operate at lower clock frequencies than the original processor they were based on. But these chips are still made at state-of-the-art facilities; they may not use the smallest processes out there, but technology like SOI (silicon-on-insulator) dramatically improves the radiation-tolerance of the process.

      But, NASA is interested in using newer commercial-of-the-shelf processors (IBM PPC based) in order to increase the amount of processing power available on satellites. As an example, take a look at this project that I previously worked on. (Hopefully it will fly sometime in 2009)

    2. Re:Radiation, most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radiation Hardening is your friend.

    3. Re:Radiation, most likely by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      There's a reason why NASA is trying their best to get their fingers on ancient CPUs.

      NASA doesn't have to try particularly hard... They just order 'em from a catalog. Seriously. Motorola, Intel, etc... have whole production lines dedicated to providing rad hard and extreme eviroment qualified chips to NASA, the DoD, defense contractors, and specialty hardware manufacturers (for things like deep ocean ROVs).
       
      Because of the time it takes to redesign the silicon and the expense involved in testing and qualification they tend to keep 'ancient' processors so modified in production for a fairly long time. Which is OK, because many of these CPU's are used in devices with optimized OS/application enviroments - beside which even Linux looks like bloated snailware.
    4. Re:Radiation, most likely by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Um, the reason they want old chips is to replace borked ones.

  46. Fahrenheit -451 by PowerEdge · · Score: 1

    The temperature at which a SiGe chip freezes.

  47. Re:cell phones? by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, incompetence is my guess here also. Most cell phones are running around a 500Mhz chip operating at a 2-2.4 Ghz transmit frequency.
    Now saying that the chip is running 1000X faster than the chip in your cellphone would have been a good comparison, or some quote about the average PC chip being 2Ghz & this being 250X faster would have been good comparisons, but comparing the chip to the transmit frequency of the cell phone was stupid.

  48. PS3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if we'll have to wait for Sony to put these in the PS3

  49. Re:cell phones? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't you ever think that if you had a digital signal entering your cell phone at 2.4 Ghz, you'd need a transistor in there that could switch at least that fast? You realize that there are other types of chips than microprocessors, right?

  50. No more secrets? by hotspotbloc · · Score: 1
    If and when (a very big if and when) this chip makes it into machines belonging to those in "three letter agencies" I have to imagine this is going to make old-school brute force attacks fashionable again.

    Could this chip going "break" the crypto community for a while? WWBSD?

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    1. Re:No more secrets? by Sloppy · · Score: 1
      Could this chip going "break" the crypto community for a while?

      Nope. Breaking modern crypto is going to require a math revolution; a few orders of magnitude in computer speed ain't nearly enough. Of course, if "few" becomes "few hundred" then yeah, we'll all have to start using longer keys.

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    2. Re:No more secrets? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Breaking modern crypto is going to require a math revolution; a few orders of magnitude in computer speed ain't nearly enough.

      That's a bit over-simplistic.

      While you might not consider something like RSA with a 512/1024-bit key "modern", it's still quite common.

      Actually modern (and actually a cipher) crypto like AES128 could potentially be vunerable to a combinaton of a huge ammount of number-crunching, and the potential vulnerabilities that are already known.
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  51. Re:cell phones? by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nope. It's just slashdot posters taking the story out of context. Go actually read the article and notice that it doesn't say anything about PC chips or microprocessors.

    Do you think that 2.4Ghz digital transmission is generated by magic?

    The problem isn't that the writer is incompetent, it's that he assumed his readers weren't.

  52. Doom, Quake!! by LlamaDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    OMGFramerates!! FRAME RATES!!!!!11!1!12@3#

    *ahem*

    Sorry about that, Pavlovian reaction...

    1. Re:Doom, Quake!! by k_187 · · Score: 1

      now what'll really cook your noodle: Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these?

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  53. Computers in the artic region by Roy+van+Rijn · · Score: 1

    The colder, the faster we can make computers run..right?

    So why don't we have supercomputers located on the Artics yet? It won't be a huge problem to get data-transport there. And the natural cooling will be very cheap and energy efficient.

    1. Re:Computers in the artic region by PeDRoRist · · Score: 1

      Because it would be too costly to have maintenance teams there every day of the year.

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    2. Re:Computers in the artic region by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still only gets -100ish in the polar regions if you're lucky. That is a far cry from the 4.5 degrees above absolute zero that these guys used. Also, who wants to work in Antarctica?

    3. Re:Computers in the artic region by dragonsomnolent · · Score: 1

      ---- At least until the ice caps melt :)

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    4. Re:Computers in the artic region by p!ssa · · Score: 0

      Until you melt off the ice caps in about 2 days, Al Gore is coming to your house to beat you RUN!

    5. Re:Computers in the artic region by Roy+van+Rijn · · Score: 1

      Well, if those are melted we can do some more research in water cooled pc's...

    6. Re:Computers in the artic region by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.arsc.edu

      you're welcome.

  54. minimum VISTA requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Microsoft (TM,C,BS), this will finally meet the minimum requirements for Windows VISTA when it ships in 2006, er. 2007, er. 2008.

  55. Article was in EE Times! by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    EE as in Electrical Engineering!

    Their readership would be mostly EE's and other technical types, I would think. Which makes the comparison between a cellphone's RF output and a processor clock even more ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Article was in EE Times! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would assume EE's are aware that the radio chip in a cellphone is generally synched to the RF output signal, which makes it considerably less ridiculous. This is not about GP processors, a cell phone typically has one of those running at between 33 and 400 MHz. /A friendly EE who forgot his slashdot password

    2. Re:Article was in EE Times! by Enigma_Man · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really, because an EE would know that it's not just the RF output on a cellphone that works at 2.4 GHz, but also the signal processing unit. There is a digital system in the phone that natively controls the signal, rather than using older analog techniques. The general-purpose CPU for playing crappy java games and displaying inane text messages from your friends runs at something much lower than that, of course.

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    3. Re:Article was in EE Times! by flynns · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, an EE would know that the RF output on a cell phone is specifically NOT 2.4 GHz, but is actually 850/900/1300? MHz. See wikipedia for GSM and CDMA (fine, fine, and TDMA) frequencies.

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    4. Re:Article was in EE Times! by dunc78 · · Score: 1

      Why would an EE know that the signal processing unit is operated at the same frequency as the RF? I have never done anything with cell phones, therefore had no idea that the signal processor operated at the same frequency as the RF. I see no reason the signal processing unit would have to run at the same frequency as the RF or is it for simplicity in that only one LO has to be generated?

  56. Even without the cooling! by twazzock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wait a minute! These things can run at 350GHz (o_o) at ROOM TEMPERATURE! The fancy cooling is all nice and good, and 500GHz... well congratulations!
    But heck, I'll take one even without the cooling.

  57. ALL CAPS REPLY ZOMG by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Arggg read the article they said they wanted to test the theoretical limits of these chips. They know speed increases with temperature. They wanted to know how much.

    The word "increases" does not mean what you think it does.

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      -- Coding with assembly is like playing with Legos. Coding an application in assembly is like building a car with Legos.

      Yep, this is exactly why all C++ compilers and car manufacturing conveyers use pre-made lego blocks. They make building lego cars much faster and cost efficient.

    2. Re:ALL CAPS REPLY ZOMG by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

      You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means...

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  58. Ob. Spinal Tap reference by josquin00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because these dials go to 4.5 Kelvin.

  59. mandatory by TheCreeep · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Does it run linux? Immagine a beowulf cluster of these!!! 500GHz? How much is that in bogoMIPS?

  60. Mad overkloking skilz by cttforsale · · Score: 1

    nice

  61. I've heard of this before by kalirion · · Score: 4, Funny

    The chip is codenamed Detritus, right?

  62. Yes you are by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2, Informative

    First, mobile phones do have extremely high frequency chips in them. They have to in order to recieve and process the high frequency signals they deal with. Those high frequency chips are a fairly large part of their power draw, too - yet their draw is *tiny* compared to even the simplest CPU of that clock. Remember that clock speed means very little without a consideration of the number of transistors on the chip, energy leakage rates, and lots more I know nothing about.

    You're making the erroneous equation that "chip" == CPU, which is far from the case. A phone's CPU may be clocked much lower. Even if it's integrated with the RF chip (I'm not sure this is ever done, is it?), the RF processing parts will be clock-multiplied or the CPU parts will be clock-divided to ensure sensible running frequencies.

    I think you'll also find that, contrary to the assumptions made by most posters here on /., this chip is a very fast very simple unit - not a large microprocessor. I'd guess they're looking into ultra-high-speed signal processing (hence the mobile phone analogy) rather than computer CPUs here.

    1. Re:Yes you are by digitaldestiny · · Score: 1

      Mkay, my bad ;)

  63. The speed rating is only half the battle by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine what it would take to design a microprocessor using this technique. At 500GHz, a quarter-wave antenna is only 150 nanometers. If you imagine a square wave at 500GHZ, the next 3 Fourier terms imply quarter wave antennas of lengths of 50, 30, and 22 nanometers. Designing a cpu where you have to allow for transmission effects on the nanometer scale will be extremely challenging, I'd imagine.

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    1. Re:The speed rating is only half the battle by Brane2 · · Score: 1

      You are 3 decimal places off.
      At 500 Ghz 1/4 wavelength is more like 150 micrometers or 0.15mm, assuming relative permeability and dielectricity =1...

    2. Re:The speed rating is only half the battle by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Look at it another way: wireless motherboards.

    3. Re:The speed rating is only half the battle by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Am I? Crap. I did do the math in a hurry. Lemme see...

      Wavelength = C/F = 300,000 m/s / 500,000,000,000 cycles/s = 0.0000006 meters/cycle.

      0.0000006 * 1000 = 0.0006 millimeters

      .0006mm * 1000 = 0.6 micrometers

      0.6um * 1000 = 600 nanometers

      Quarter wave = 600nm/4 = 150 nanometers.

      You sure I missed something? I might have, because 150nm does seem awfully tiny, but we are talking 500GHz here. If I've screwed up let me know what I did wrong up there, I'd really like to know.

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  64. Re:cell phones? by codemaster2b · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, what you need is a signal generator that produces a 2.401 GHz signal and a mixer to produce a beat frequency. Then, you process that much slower signal. You don't work with a 2.4 GHz signal.

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  65. SI Unit == Base Ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the hell marked this as interesting?!?! Hertz is an SI unit of frequency, and as such prefixes follow a base ten scheme (i.e. Megaherz = 10^6 Hz, Gigahertz = 10^9 Hz) not a base two scheme (Megabyte = 2^20 bytes, Gigabyte 2^30 bytes)

  66. TROLL? by ronanbear · · Score: 1
    500 Ghz at 4.5K

    350 Ghz at room temperature (warmer)

    Clearly lower speed at higher temperature. What's up with the mods today?

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  67. ham band interferance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am wondering what kind of rf noise this would make on the 300+ghz ham radio bands

  68. Power by transami · · Score: 1

    It takes two to make a...
    It takes two to make a...
    It takes two to make a THz, YEA!
    It takes two to make it out of sight!

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  69. Sounds good but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will you able to overclock the retail version?

  70. Not necessarily a digital chip by shrubsky · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of people here are irked about the cellphone comparison, but did you stop to consider that this may not be a digital chip? Transistors can also build analog amplifiers, mixers, frequency multipliers, and other lovely gizmos. Comparing the frequency of this chip to the RF frequency of a cellphone may be entirely appropriate.

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  71. You can do signal processing with frozen chips? by damburger · · Score: 1
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  72. Pentium by jimktrains · · Score: 1

    Now only if they had thought of it earlier, they could have stopped all that Pentium melting stuff.....

    Maybe?

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  73. Cool by fmoliveira · · Score: 0

    Now imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

  74. Two speeds: Fast enough and not fast enough by hlh_nospam · · Score: 2, Informative
    "By comparison, 500 GHz is more than 250 times faster than today's cell phones, which typically operate at approximately 2 GHz, according to the organizations."

    And in other news, apples and oranges usually taste different.

    The only question about computer speed that is important is, "Is it fast enough?" Of course, "fast enough" may change over time, and anytime you come up with a faster processor, some company like Microsoft will succeed in loading it down with bloatware. But I've got a customer who runs his company on software that I wrote for him 15 years ago, and the only reason he ever upgrades his hardware is because something breaks that is no longer available. Otherwise, the 8MHz 286 system would have been perfectly adequate.

  75. Re:cell phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey idiot, you realize it's an analog modulated RF signal that gets picked up by the receiver? There's no switching involved in receiving. None. You might make a case about the diode mixer being a switching device but it uses the analog RF input from a linear amplifier.

  76. complexity? by smash · · Score: 1

    So uh... is it a general purpose machine, or has it got an instruction set like brainfuck? No point in running at 500ghz if it's going to take 10,000 clock cycles to perform addition...

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  77. No, you are. by troon · · Score: 1

    First, mobile phones do have extremely high frequency chips in them. They have to in order to recieve and process the high frequency signals they deal with.

    Rubbish. You don't need digital circuitry to handle the 2.4GHz signal. You use standard analogue RF circuitry and only get digital once you've demodulated it.

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  78. This will never work for complex processors by cazzazullu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Simple calculation: speed of light is 3*10^8 m/s, frequency is 5*10^11, so in one clock you can travel 3/5 millimeter at the speed of light. But electrical signals in copper and semiconductors travel at approx. two third of the speed of light, so in one clock an electrical pulse can travel roughly 0.4 mm. Your processor has to be way smaller than this, because all routes signals can take from anywhere to anywhere must be shorter than this distance. And let's forget entirely about phase-problems, synchronization, ... These things are now already causing difficulties in chip-design, at current speeds where signals can travel several centimeters.

    I honestly do not expect that processor speeds will increase very much anymore. The past however has time after time proven everybody wrong that made that statement.

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  79. Just RF chips by ccr65 · · Score: 1

    IBM has actually done this kind of work for a while, but unfortunately I don't think we are talking about CPU chips. The articles about this that I have read before have been about RF chips, hence the reference to cell phones. The author of the article apparently doesn't get it or neglected to mention this. Still an achievement but I doubt you'll be seeing this technology used in CPU's any time soon. It may mean more spectrum for the FCC to dole out in 7 years however.

  80. Inappropriate Units by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    Sure, we engineers can use Fahrenheit if it's appropriate. And it would be a reasonable unit if we were talking about temperatures in the range of 0 F to 450 F. Those are temperatures that the average person can experience firsthand in their home (freezer to oven).

    But these chips were chilled down near absolute zero. That's a physically special temperature, but you'd never guess that from the Fahrenheit scale. What's the difference between -450 F and -460 F? The difference is not 10 degrees. The difference is that one is physically possible and the other is not. Minus 460 F would be below absolute zero.

    So if you're talking about temperatures near absolute zero, the sensible units are K or R. This is especially true if you're talking about chilling to within fractions of a degree of absolute zero. A value of 0.01 K is meaningful. Stating a value of -459.57 F would make me question your understanding of significant figures.

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  81. overclocking... by tomcres · · Score: 1

    You know, someone somewhere is dying to get their hands on that cooling rig so they can overclock the hell out of their Celeron..

  82. Mod Parent Up by tpjunkie · · Score: 1

    you're right, of course, in this instance it is a "real" giga, meaning a billion cycles per second.

  83. halfway there by vtolturbo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The terahertz band is the holy grail of telecommunications because at such high frequencies, we can begin to test communications based on gravitational waves instead of electromagnetic waves. This represents significant progress toward that end. Gravitational waves potentially are not limited to the speed of light, which might pave the way to real-time satellite communications with no lag or communications with operations on other planets with significantly shorter wait times.

    1. Re:halfway there by Zebadias · · Score: 1

      What are you blathering about - firstly gravity waves (if they exist) do only traval at C however they are (theretically) created by large sudden movements of mass. For example colliding black holes. This would need some modifiying to become usful for inter satalite comms.

    2. Re:halfway there by vtolturbo · · Score: 1

      theoretically, gravitational waves are created when acceleration changes, something called jerk, which is the third time derivative of position of a massive object. using a terahertz control input to drive a bunch of MEMS superconducting magnets with MEMS permanent magnets suspended above them, it should be possible to generate a gravitational wave signature that can be detected by the gravitational wave observatories currently in operation (like LIGO) and being designed (like LISA). i unfortunately do not have references on this computer or i'd share them. while these waves are believed to travel at the speed of light, i have heard no specific reasoning for why this should be the case other than pure speculation.

  84. Even faster at 0 Kelvins! by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

    "a 500 GHz Silicon-germanium (SiGe) chip, operating at 4.5 Kelvins."

    Imagine how fast it would run if they got it down to 0 Kelvins!

    1. Re:Even faster at 0 Kelvins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wasn't this the solution to the laser efficiency problem in 'Real Genius'? Ice is nice.

  85. This doesn't mean 500 GHz CPU's by RWalz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just wanted to point that out, I think some posters are thinking about it incorrectly: "The 500 GHz mark was the goal when Feng and UI colleagues received a $2.1 million, five-year grant for the project from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in October. In contrast, the transistors inside the central chip of a powerful personal computer run at around 50 or 100 GHz, Feng said. The fastest that such a chip runs as a package is currently around 3 GHz." http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2003/01/24/ fastest_transistor_made_at_ui/ In addition, University of Illinois broke 600 Ghz last year. http://www.physorg.com/news3662.html "The speeds quoted in this article are maximum rated *switching* speeds of a single transistor. Synchronous logic designs of the type found in microprocessors involve synchronous cells (known as flip-flops) and asynchronous gates providing boolean functions on the signals passing between flip-flops. The maximum rated frequency of any design is limited by the slowest path between flip-flops and this is what the clock signal will be set at. As the paths between the clocked flip-flops are typically anywhere between 2 and 10 logic cells deep and with each one comprising 10's of transistors (usually in complementary configuration to aid switching speed), the overall figure for an ASIC design such as a uProcessor would be at least 2-4 times slower than the maximum transistor switching speed (it's not quite cumulative, because as one transistor starts switching, the voltage at the at the `gate' of the next one has already started changing causing it to start conducting, and so on). I also have a suspicion that there would be other real-world constraints such as cross-talk (noise between transistors) and thermal problems. I'd hazard a guess that a production-quality chip would be somewhere in the region of a tenth the speeds quoted here! However, these new materials and structures still make for an impressive speed gain over traditional Silicon CMOS designs." (The speeds quoted in this article are maximum rated *switching* speeds of a single transistor. Synchronous logic designs of the type found in microprocessors involve synchronous cells (known as flip-flops) and asynchronous gates providing boolean functions on the signals passing between flip-flops. The maximum rated frequency of any design is limited by the slowest path between flip-flops and this is what the clock signal will be set at. As the paths between the clocked flip-flops are typically anywhere between 2 and 10 logic cells deep and with each one comprising 10's of transistors (usually in complementary configuration to aid switching speed), the overall figure for an ASIC design such as a uProcessor would be at least 2-4 times slower than the maximum transistor switching speed (it's not quite cumulative, because as one transistor starts switching, the voltage at the at the `gate' of the next one has already started changing causing it to start conducting, and so on). I also have a suspicion that there would be other real-world constraints such as cross-talk (noise between transistors) and thermal problems. I'd hazard a guess that a production-quality chip would be somewhere in the region of a tenth the speeds quoted here! However, these new materials and structures still make for an impressive speed gain over traditional Silicon CMOS designs." (http://www.physorg.com/news3662.html)

    1. Re:This doesn't mean 500 GHz CPU's by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      Well it would be nice if the HTML 'p' tag actually worked properly on slashdot! Give him a break.

      I've read about the same advances from the University of Illinois so I corroborate it.
      here's another (slightly older) article - http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/03/1106feng.html

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    2. Re:This doesn't mean 500 GHz CPU's by RWalz · · Score: 1

      Well, it was formatted nicely when I typed it out, I should have used the preview button, but being in a hurry to get my first post on slashdot done, I just hit submit, not noticing the posting type, so I apologize for the poor formatting.

      There are two quotes in my post, one from the first article and the other from a comment on the second article. I should have stated it was a users comment, but figured it would be fine as thats exactly what this forum is. For anyone who's interested enough to read these offtopic posts, now they'll know and my post will be formatted better next time ;)

    3. Re:This doesn't mean 500 GHz CPU's by kinglink · · Score: 1

      Sadly as such this won't be helpful. Yes you got moded up for it. But it's barely readable.

      Next time I'd highly advise making sure your tags work or just formatting the text yourself rather then rushing to post. It makes it so that we can enjoy the article more, as it seems you definatly have valuable insight, which is something that we all can appreciate.

  86. Just in Time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....For Duke Nukem Forever.

  87. Here is a better article by Monster_Juice · · Score: 2, Informative

    This article has more of the details correct. http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn93 68

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  88. Because engineers use them by goodben · · Score: 1

    Sure lots of scientists use SI (although depending on the field they may use cgs instead), but many engineers in the US use the standard American units.

    There are several reasons for this: 1) tradition, 2) tooling (especially on the manufacturing scale) is hard to change, and 3) engineers can handle the simple math required to convert between units.

    Plus some units should never change. Who wants to know an automobile's horsepower in kilowatts?

    1. Re:Because engineers use them by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1
      And that's why your spacecraft crash, because one engineer uses si, and the next uses imperial. I guess your naval engineers use knots for things other than ships because of tradition.

      The rest of the world has managed to go metric, even us conservative Brits, espcially when writing in something that advertises itself as 'Global News For The Creators Of Technology', come and join us in the 21st century.

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    2. Re:Because engineers use them by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      {Tongue in cheek}
      Hey, at least the US has spacecraft. All the UK has is Richard Branson forever trying to circle the globe in a baloon....
      {/Tongue in cheek}

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    3. Re:Because engineers use them by goodben · · Score: 1

      Errors because of unit mistakes are indicative of deeper problems that will manifest in other areas if not there. Proper record keeping and simple math are really not that onerous. If an engineer can't handle either of those, then he shouldn't be an engineer.

  89. Baseband Generation and Analog Mixing by dunc78 · · Score: 1

    Well, the bandwidth of the digital transmission isn't 2.4 GHz therefore one wouldn't need a 2.4 GHz DSP to generate the signal. Knowing little to nothing about the inner workings of cell phones, I would imagine the cell phones produce a digitally modulated signal at baseband and then using analog mixing and filtering to shift the baseband signal to RF.

  90. I pwned this one... by NeuralSpike · · Score: 1

    That's only an over-clock of around 42%. My old Celeron 300a ran 500 MHz on air cooling, that's a 66% over-clock!

    Get back to me when you hit 583 GHz, IBM!

  91. Ken by Z80a · · Score: 1

    in other news,ken kutaragi Announces that Playstation 3 Rev 2 will use a 500 Ghz SiGe Cell processor,and that will make the gigant crabs more real than the real life and that PS3 will suck you to inside the television where you will live a matrix like experience with toy story like graphics and yellow ducks

  92. Inductance is why you don't coil by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

    Coils are bad for high-speed circuits. They generate inductance, i.e. there's some energy stored in the magnetic field induced by the flow of electrons, and this energy resists changes in current.

    If you think resisting changes in current is good, remember that current doesn't continually flow in these circuits, but instead ebbs and flows to charge/discharge load capacitance. So we essentially have resistance to overcome to start charging/discharging that cap.

    Disclaimer: I only have a B.S. in Comp. Eng., so some of that may sound like BS to those who know way more than I do...but I'm pretty sure I got the explanation right.

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  93. the mods are on crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who mods down people liking a post?

    1. Re:the mods are on crack by xenn · · Score: 1

      the kind of people that actually read the moderation guidelines. sure their only guidelines, but this is the kind of comment slashdot suggest gets marked redundant. i mean what does a comment like that actually add to the thread? not much, sure, you could say, it's a fairly innocuous comment, but it doesn't add anything intellectual, insightful or funny. in fact, it is fairly redundant.

  94. Oh. . . by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

    at first I read "500mhz" and I was like, "don't they run at 2.4ghz now? Is this a dupe from like 3 years ago?" then I read it again and did one of these O.O, then I read some of the article and relegated to one of these o.0.

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  95. You're both wrong by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You're both wrong, although well intentioned. Saying it "increases with temperature" implies that as temperature increases, so does the clockspeed. Saying that it "decreases" with temperature decreases, so does the clockspeed, which is really the same thing, and also wrong.

    It doesn't increase or decrease WITH temperature. It increases or decreases INVERSELY TO temperature.

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    1. Re:You're both wrong by NeuralSpike · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's more accurate to say that under any given set of operating parameters core temp and core frequency are positively correlated. Remember, correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Perhaps what you meant is that maximum attainable core frequency is negatively correlated with operating environment temperature or, in other words, positively correlated with removal of heat from the core?

  96. the sky is the limit! by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Funny


    ""a 500 GHz Silicon-germanium (SiGe) chip, operating at 4.5 Kelvins.""

    "Imagine how fast it would run if they got it down to 0 Kelvins!"


    Imagine how fast it would run if they got it down to -5 Kelvins!

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    1. Re:the sky is the limit! by noidentity · · Score: 1

      "Imagine how fast it would run if they got it down to -5 Kelvins!"

      In case you didn't get the original joke, it is that something at 0 Kelvins would have no physical movement so the processor would be stopped at that temperature. Thank me for killing it by explaining it.

    2. Re:the sky is the limit! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      But at -5 K the processing speed would become negative, and the CPU would become an uncomputer. Feed it results, and it provides the raw data. Useful for decryption.

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    3. Re:the sky is the limit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine how fast it would run if they got it down to -5 Kelvins!

      Uhm, heat is *slightly* problematic in the negative kelvin regime. From our beloved wikipedia:
       
      Temperatures that are expressed as negative numbers on the familiar Celsius or Fahrenheit scales are simply colder than the zero points of those scales. By contrast, a system with a truly negative temperature is not colder than absolute zero; in fact, temperatures colder than absolute zero are impossible. Rather, negative temperatures are hotter than infinite temperature.
      (Click Me!)

      Figured you should know; I actually worked on this stuff in my ugrad days... ;)

    4. Re:the sky is the limit! by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      The "infinite temerature" theoretical stuff isn't helpful to readers and is essentially a mathematical artifact a.k.a. bullshit. Put simply, "negative" temeratures can come from considering the order in degrees of freedom that are not counted in ordinary definitions of temperature, for instance the order in populations of atoms' nuclear spins. The problem with calling these sorts of spin-ordered states "negative temperature" is that the more-ordered N.T. state has more energy than the positive temperature state and so energy will flow from the "lower" temperature body to the "higher" temperature body when they come in contact.

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  97. Liquid Helium by booch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does liquid helium really cost $24/gallon? If so, we might want to get ahead of the curve and see if we can run our cars on it.

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    1. Re:Liquid Helium by Who235 · · Score: 1

      When you figure out how to run a car on an inert gas, let me know.

      I'll make us both rich.

    2. Re:Liquid Helium by jZnat · · Score: 1

      I know that liquid nitrogen typically costs between $1.50 and $2.00 per gallon, but the containers you need to buy to store it are fucking expensive (well, in comparison to the liquid nitrogen). Then again, that might be because our atmosphere is largely composed of nitrogen, and it's cheap to make liquid nitrogen. If only cars could run on that...

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    3. Re:Liquid Helium by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      What, you never heard of fusion?

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    4. Re:Liquid Helium by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I know that liquid nitrogen typically costs between $1.50 and $2.00 per gallon, but the containers you need to buy to store it are fucking expensive (well, in comparison to the liquid nitrogen). Then again, that might be because our atmosphere is largely composed of nitrogen, and it's cheap to make liquid nitrogen. If only cars could run on that...

      I suspect that liquid nitrogen is cheap not just because N2 gas is so plentiful, but also because it liquifies at a relatively high temperature compared to other gases used in cryogenic cooling.

      Maybe you could run a car on liquid nitrogen by allowing it to heat up, change to a gas, and "poop" it out the back end. I doubt it would be very efficient, though. [Hey, maybe you could use it to cool down a high-Tc superconductor under the car so it can mag-lev. ;-) ]

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    5. Re:Liquid Helium by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      They actually did do this. I forget where I saw it (either on a PBS special or Popular Science) but it worked as you described. The liquid nitrogen was allowed to expand rappidly and the high pressure was used to run a simple single cylinder piston engine. needed a really big heavy insulated tank though. I think MIT made it.

    6. Re:Liquid Helium by modecx · · Score: 1

      When you figure out how to run a car on an inert gas, let me know.

      I'll make us both rich.


      Sure enough, I've got your solution! We'll just pressurize the shit out of our gas and make a pneumatic motor or turbine or whatever, and there's your car that runs on inert gas.

      Now where's my millions of dollars?

      (Personally I'd rather save my inert gas for welding but whatever floats your boat)

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    7. Re:Liquid Helium by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Well, there are two ways to run a car off a compressed, extremely cold inert gas; you can let the gas out of the tank and let it do work driving a turbine with its pressure, or you can use the temperature differential with the environment to run a heat engine.

      Unless I'm mistaken, both methods have been used to run vehicles (not necessarily with inert gases, but neither relies on chemical reactivity), though the rather more usual form of the latter is to use a hot working fluid rather than a supercold one, but the principle is pretty much the same.

    8. Re:Liquid Helium by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Or $72/gallon for the Apple approved helium.

      Mac users are used to paying 3x as much.

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    9. Re:Liquid Helium by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I assume that's regular helium. That's pretty cheap. Although I want the price for Helium-3. I'm sure it's 100-1000 times the price. But man does it make great fusion material.

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    10. Re:Liquid Helium by TWX · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be more efficient to use it to drive a turbine? Granted it might take some work to get the turbine up to speed, but a starter motor could get it spinning enough for the gas pressure to continue to drive it. It could then drive a flywheel or hybrid-style electric generator to power a bank of batteries, and subsequently wheels...

      I'd like to see turbine engines tried again. In the seventies when Chrysler got rid of their turbine project it was driving the car through mechanical means. Now they could instead hook it up to a hybrid electric motor/transmission to keep the turbine at its most efficient RPM, and charge batteries and use regen braking to add more power...

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    11. Re:Liquid Helium by booch · · Score: 1

      They probably didn't have a good continuously variable transmission to work with back then either. A CVT is another good way to keep the RPMs within the most efficient range all the time.

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    12. Re:Liquid Helium by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1
      'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'


      But a woman can box your pop up.
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  98. Compile?? by Rob_Ogilvie · · Score: 1

    There has to be code before it can be compiled...

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  99. I got Debian to install on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After waiting around for what seemed like forever, I got my hands on one of these systems. I wiped off the stupid proprietary OS and installed a much leaner and faster Debian Sarge. I have been kicking ass playing Quake 3 through wine. It's almost as fast as native windows.

  100. This just in by Fred_A · · Score: 1

    Hundreds of thousands of reporters found dead all over the world in a yet unexplained wave of shootings !

    More details in our next edition !

    Huh ? Wha..

    BANG!

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  101. Makes you wonder by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    Why are we STILL waiting for 10GHz CPUS ?????

  102. Mod Parent Up, Insightful by TheStonepedo · · Score: 1

    As said the thing may have its place in kinda fast real time processing of steady input, but that input would have to be supplied at a much greater rate. Until everything down the line from user input to disk/display output is quick enough to move that much data this proof of concept device is just an entry in the Guinness Book.

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  103. Oh those speedy cellphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And jeeze who knew that cellphones ran on 2Ghz processors nowadays... doh!

  104. 4.5K? But that's hot?!?? by infolib · · Score: 1

    Well, seriously, it's a matter of perspective. The other day someone was presenting his results at our group meeting, and one of the post-docs looked at his plots:

    What temperature is that at?
    Errrh, 4 Kelvin.
    Ohhh, it's high-temperature measurements!

    The guy usually works in the milliKelvin range, so I guess it really was high-T for him. A couple of the rest of us exchanged glances...

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  105. Duh nevermind by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    C = 300,000,000 m/s. Ooops. Good grief but I need some coffee.

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  106. Java Running at Native Speeds by Adkron · · Score: 1

    Considering the speeds that average at about 2GHz on current processors even at room temperature this is running 175 times faster. With this increase the drawbacks of interpreted languages and languages run on virtual machines, such as Java, will be null and void. I can't wait until this processor is mass produced, and available at a reasonable price, but at that point Windows will have system requirements that make it seem just as slow as the current processors.

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    1. Re:Java Running at Native Speeds by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1
      With this increase the drawbacks of interpreted languages and languages run on virtual machines, such as Java, will be null and void.
      Oh, I have no doubt that lazy programmers expecting faster hardware to cover their sloppiness will find a way to make it run slowly like they always have. "Oh, this new hardware is so much faster than I can go ahead and use this method that will take 5x longer to execute; No one will notice" or "Ah, I'll just use this BASIC interperter written in Java... my box is so fast no one will notice." *sigh*
  107. False by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Except for extremely high end test equipment, I do not know of anything that performs signal processing at sample rates on the order of 1-2 GSPS (gigasamples/second) or higher.

    Even modern cell phones are *at most* doing direct IF sampling and IF signal generation. Upconversion to/downconversion from a 1-2 GHz carrier frequency is still done in the analog domain. Most likely, upconversion to/downconversion from IF is also done in the analog domain, with the only digital portion being baseband processing. Direct IF sampling/transmission is still rather expensive, too expensive for your average cell phone.

    Unfortunately the article is now Slashdotted so I can't tell whether this 500 GHz chip was RF circuitry operating at a 500 GHz carrier frequency (20-30 GHz plus is common nowadays in this domain), or digital circuitry operating at a clock speed of 500 GHz, and if it was digital, how complex a circuit it was. It's much easier to clock a simple circuit at very high frequencies than a complex one like a CPU.

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  108. Proper Benchmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the Doom3 frame rates?

  109. AI development by zerolander · · Score: 1

    In my opinion it is big chance for development AI, fast large neutral networks etc.

  110. Miss a picture... by lcde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good article but nothing beats a picture from This article

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  111. Re:cell phones? by Zerbs · · Score: 1

    certainly, there are potato chips, corn chips, chocolate chips, ice chips, even banana chips.

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  112. Translational vs Vibrational by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    You're probably right. It's likewise been a while since I've looked at the math closely. If you go to the page I linked in my original post, it probably has the answer on it somewhere.

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  113. Obligatory BttF reference by ThndrShk2k · · Score: 1

    "500 gigahertz! 500 gigahertz! Great Scott!
    "How could I have been so careless? 500 gigahertz! Tom, how am I gonna generate that kind of power? It can't be done, can it?"

    Ahh slashdot :D

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  114. Radar by modecx · · Score: 1

    Interesting but I can not see much use in a 350ghz rf system. Talk about line of sight!

    One word: Radar. I'm no RF engineer, but IIRC, a 300GHz signal has a wavelength of 1 millimeter, which would make it possible to detect radar reflective objects that size, in theory. That would have to be the holy grail of radar technology.

    If one could resolve a signal that has millimeter or sub-millimeter resolution from a distance, it would be a breakthrough in military radar systems. It would make avionics not only be able to tell a fighter pilot exactly what kind of aircraft he was engaging, but also tell him what kind of ordinance the aircraft has mounted to external hardpoints, what the aircraft's attitude is, etc.

    It could also be used to precisely detect incoming ordinance: imagine a mobile Phalanx type system that could detect the direction enemy fire was coming from, and possibly counter the effects of RPGs, missiles, and mortars!

    A system that could react fast enough would be able to protect tanks from armor piercing missiles or DU rounds by shooting a projectile (or many) to intercept the incoming threat. Also, such a system mounted on a HMMWV could shoot RPGs down as they are in flight, or detect where enemy small arms fire is coming from and instantaneously direct fire to that location, and it might be able to detect firearms and other weapons concealed in the clothing of insurgent forces hiding in a crowd of non-combatants!

    In addition, such technology would have civilian uses like supplanting screeners at airports, guidance of autonomous passenger vehicles, computer vision, it could be used for all kinds of applications.

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    1. Re:Radar by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 2, Funny

      what the aircraft's attitude is

      Given that you're in combat, the attitude is likely to be hostile.

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    2. Re:Radar by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 1

      Millimeter wave radar has been declassified military tech for at least a decade. http://quinstar.com/an05_millimeter_wave_radar_sub systems.html

    3. Re:Radar by Digi-John · · Score: 1

      You probably already know this, and I do appreciate the joke, but for the enlightenment of everyone else:
      An aircraft's attitude is the way it is oriented--pointed down, pointed up, leaning to one side, etc. Unless I'm gravely mistaken, the instrument which has a small airplane represented on it and an artificial horizon is called an "attitude indicator", because it allows the pilot to see his plane's attitude even when flying through thick, disorienting clouds/fog.

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    4. Re:Radar by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Millimeter radar has been around for a while. The problem is range.
      BTW I was thinking last night. Since you have to have a sample rate twice the frequency a 300 GHZ would only be good up to 150Ghz. I wasn't thinking of space or military system when I was thinking of uses. But now that you mention it I can think of a good number of space based uses for such a high frequency radar or communications link.
      For Earth bound applications a 300 ghz DSP would tend to limited to wired or optical. But just think of the floating point performance you could get with a 300Ghz DSP :)

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    5. Re:Radar by modecx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you know, something has me confused. I was looking at some of the millimeter wave radar stuff last night and I'm baffled, really (probably because I just don't understand what's going on). Most of the radars are listed at 75.something GHz and I read some papers on a model that a university was experimenting with, and its frequency topped out just over 100Ghz. Yet they called these devices millimeter wave, and those frequencies are in the centimeter range, not millimeter.

      Maybe I'm just hung up on some terminology, I dunno... Maybe it's because I'm thinking of frequencies in a vacuum and the atmosphere somehow increases effective frequency? Then again, maybe it has something to do with how often they sample. I'm not sure, but I'm going to read up some more because I'm really confused at this point :)

      But yeah, a 300GHz DSP would be something to behold... Here's your Cray, on this little frozen wafer! A Beowulf cluster of 300Ghz DSPs might be rated at several thermonuclear explosion simulations per hour! Teehee. Our flight sims could have realtime CFD physics! That sure would be fun... *drewl*

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    6. Re:Radar by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No think about it. 14 millimeters is 1.4 centimeters. It is not unusual in radar to try and avoid decimal numbers. Just like 14 centimeters is easier wrap your head around than 1.4 decimeters.
      Actually 300 Ghz is the room temperature speed and your AthlonFX is probably faster than some of the older Crays. But yea it would be bloody fast.

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    7. Re:Radar by modecx · · Score: 1

      No think about it. 14 millimeters is 1.4 centimeters.

      *slaps forehead*

      Yeah, actually I did think of this possibility, but it wasn't logical to me that they would do this. It's like saying "Hey Joe, let's go for a 1000m jog", and Joe agrees thinking that's pretty easy. Little did Joe know he's actually going for 14k run.

      Mmmm. I dunno, I guess it makes sense, probably better sense after you've been basically hanging around bigass microwaves all day. :)

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    8. Re:Radar by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      It isn't that bad. Think about these values 23 meters or 200 milliliters instead of 20 centiliters or 2 deciliters. It is just common usage after all. decimals are such nasty numbers.
      I work with machinists all the time. They always say things like 10 thous meaning 100 one thousands of an inch. They look at me like a freak when I say a hundredth of an inch.

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  115. Man, just imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just imagine a beowulf cluster of these

  116. Re:In Related News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Redundant by one minute...

    HAW HAW!!!

  117. Re:number of transistors only? by treeves · · Score: 1
    Not quite.
    From wikipedia entry on Moore's Law:
    At the end of the 1970s, Moore's Law became known as the limit for the number of transistors on the most complex chips.
    However, it is also common to cite Moore's law to refer to the rapidly continuing advance in computing power per unit cost.
    And one (albeit imprecise) measure of computing power is clock speed. Certainly if one held everything else constant, and solved all the attendant problems like heat dissipation, etc. and increased clock speed of a CPU from 2.5 GHz to 500GHz, one would be greatly outpacing Moore's Law.
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  118. Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cellphone phone does not operate at 2.4GHz, it's braodcast frequency is 2.4GHz.

    Am I to understand that the chips in the story are CPUs operating at 500GHz ?

  119. Encryption by rick23509 · · Score: 1

    Has anyone but myself thought of the implications this will have on encryption and security... or a lack there of?

    As I'm sure most of you know, SHA-1 has been proven to show signs of collisions on todays computers. http://rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2738
    Now imagine what would be possible with 500GHz. Amazing!

  120. In other news... by Riley's+Rants · · Score: 1

    IBM engineers have just posted on the official Elder Scrolls forums regarding their "out of this world Oblivion frame-rates." One was caught on record as saying "CPU-limited my ass!" I guess all it takes is an artic-chilled CPU and you CAN play Oblivion smoothly.