... it's the same stupid WinXP Starter Edition they were trying to get down the Brazil's government throats? Thankfully, Brazil ditched the stupid software -- whose features, among other things, a limit to the number of simultaneous windows open at the same time, 3 -- in favor of Linux for the project in question: popular micros with government finance...
Am I the only one who finds it disturbing that Cuba _actually_ uses Microsoft Windows??! How come? Are those pirated copies? If not, how are they buying legal copies given the economic embargo the USA pushed on them?
sorry, how come? Pascal doesn't easily allow buffer overflows, have proper string handling, is truly lexically scoped ( with proper nested lexically scoped procedure declarations ), has a much more powerful and expressive type system, is a hell of a lot more readable than C and even allows, just as C, to get low-level with pointer arithmetic but somehow... C is much more powerful??!!
i don't get it.
if you said C was a little more concise thanks to the choice of {} rather than begin end block delimiter, than i'd agree with you on that...
at least, here in Brazil, Delphi is the number one software tool, making Pascal ( ObjectPascal ) possibly the most popular language around. though java is coming close and there's also a lot of VB junk...
why not? the JVM is an emulator for an idealized computer. just as i can run Linux on any computer without regards to its firmware being proprietary, i can also run GPLd java code in Sun's JVM.
and there's also Classpath exception when binding code. Besides, you can run it in Sun's JVM using classpath code as the libraries, so as to be completely free and also notice the output of GCJ can be given any license you wish, just like GCC's output.
I for one don't mind their Disney status in videogames, as long as they are capable of pumping out Aladdin, The Lion King, Toy Story or The Incredibles. yes, i know the last few are from a close third party, like Nintendo had Rare...
compilation that's delayed until it's needed. Interpretation implies that it is done on every execution, not just the first.
Interpretation that way is no more ever since old basic days. These days, almost all "interpreted" languages either compile the concrete syntax to some form of bytecode and then execute it, or simply compile it once to bytecode and load that fast, instead. Ruby and Python work that way.
Anyway, yes java compiles to native "just-in-time" just once -- at start-up time. At that time, it's being interpreted. It's also interpreting anytime some new module is loaded, at execution time, when it too will be translated from bytecode to native ASM. Also, it's a performance hog for the loads of stupid libraries that suffer the same process and are needed by even rather simple programs.
All of which are either interpreted or just-in-time compiled, if I'm not mistaken.
Haskell and Ocaml compilers generate fast native ASM, ahead-of-time.
From your points, it seems to me you're aguing we should throw away a clean, separate, modular processing model in favor of a highly monolithic, bloated, "integrated" operating environment. GUIs in kernel space?! Infidel!
While current, modern trend is to put as little as possible into the kernel ( _the_ OS per se ) and even tradicionally kernel-space stuff like filesystems out of the way, you seem to argue that we should do exactly the contrary...
Sadly, it doesn't matter to non-tech software users if your software is built following all software best practices and comes loaded with amazingly rich, powerful and flexible features.
All it matters for non-tech users is that software does its job efficiently, doesn't come in the way and is right on their budget.
Eg: most FF users don't care about standards-compliance ("what the f*** does that mean ?") or even to tabbed-browsing ("ok, now i'm lost!"). They use it because it allows them to surf the web with less annoying popups and the confidence in its security hype.
worse is indeed better and M$ has proved it over time and again...
sorry, call it just-in-time compilation if you like, but no matter how you look at it, it's still a language (bytecodes) being translated to another language ( native ASM ) in execution-time ( execution of the JVM, that is ). That's interpretation for me, not compilation.
"In any case, what do you propose be used for web applications?"
How about Ocaml, Python, Scheme, Haskell or Ruby? Powerful, modular, flexible and concise languages for a powerful, modular and flexible environment like the web...
... all these boring game-related propaganda everytime E3 arrives?
does anyone here at/. gives a damn? there are about 5 consecutive postings about games by now and none have been worth of more than a few comments, possibly like this one...
just imagine all the verborragic redundancy of Java/Struts + loads of xml with PHP's "1 millions inconsistently named functions in the same namespace" + global variables abound...
* you look for things on google * you have a virtual HD on gmail * you have encyclopedics amounts of info with wikipedia/google * and now you surf via google with web accelerator
your hole online life depends on google. there's no web out there anymore, just google's take on it...
1. Unleash badly designed OS on the market with lots of security holes; 2. Make sure everyone uses it thanks to your lock-in of the market; 3. Stay cool as many worms, trojans and viruses attack your consumers' PCs and they despair after a solution; 4. Aquire a cheap antivirus solution; 5. Offer solution as _the_ solution for the security problems with your badly designed OS; 6. Profit.
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how are they supposed to throw ads down my throat if i don't subscribe to the damn feed?
... and opens just 3 windows at once.
... it's the same stupid WinXP Starter Edition they were trying to get down the Brazil's government throats? Thankfully, Brazil ditched the stupid software -- whose features, among other things, a limit to the number of simultaneous windows open at the same time, 3 -- in favor of Linux for the project in question: popular micros with government finance...
Am I the only one who finds it disturbing that Cuba _actually_ uses Microsoft Windows??! How come? Are those pirated copies? If not, how are they buying legal copies given the economic embargo the USA pushed on them?
yes, and i was kidding. :)
the same guy who composed the "American" symphony. true... :)
cheers
a desktop and web search software integrated and bundled with Longhorn. Bye, GoogleDesktop and competition...
only they just work for the same workspace
"C is much more powerful,"
sorry, how come? Pascal doesn't easily allow buffer overflows, have proper string handling, is truly lexically scoped ( with proper nested lexically scoped procedure declarations ), has a much more powerful and expressive type system, is a hell of a lot more readable than C and even allows, just as C, to get low-level with pointer arithmetic but somehow... C is much more powerful??!!
i don't get it.
if you said C was a little more concise thanks to the choice of {} rather than begin end block delimiter, than i'd agree with you on that...
at least, here in Brazil, Delphi is the number one software tool, making Pascal ( ObjectPascal ) possibly the most popular language around. though java is coming close and there's also a lot of VB junk...
this is very unfortunate, but i'm glad to see free pascal evolving this nicely.
and the lazarus project is coming along very smoothly as well...
"can you run GPLed Java software on the Sun JVM?"
why not? the JVM is an emulator for an idealized computer. just as i can run Linux on any computer without regards to its firmware being proprietary, i can also run GPLd java code in Sun's JVM.
and there's also Classpath exception when binding code. Besides, you can run it in Sun's JVM using classpath code as the libraries, so as to be completely free and also notice the output of GCJ can be given any license you wish, just like GCC's output.
I for one don't mind their Disney status in videogames, as long as they are capable of pumping out Aladdin, The Lion King, Toy Story or The Incredibles. yes, i know the last few are from a close third party, like Nintendo had Rare...
compilation that's delayed until it's needed. Interpretation implies that it is done on every execution, not just the first.
Interpretation that way is no more ever since old basic days. These days, almost all "interpreted" languages either compile the concrete syntax to some form of bytecode and then execute it, or simply compile it once to bytecode and load that fast, instead. Ruby and Python work that way.
Anyway, yes java compiles to native "just-in-time" just once -- at start-up time. At that time, it's being interpreted. It's also interpreting anytime some new module is loaded, at execution time, when it too will be translated from bytecode to native ASM. Also, it's a performance hog for the loads of stupid libraries that suffer the same process and are needed by even rather simple programs.
All of which are either interpreted or just-in-time compiled, if I'm not mistaken.
Haskell and Ocaml compilers generate fast native ASM, ahead-of-time.
From your points, it seems to me you're aguing we should throw away a clean, separate, modular processing model in favor of a highly monolithic, bloated, "integrated" operating environment. GUIs in kernel space?! Infidel!
While current, modern trend is to put as little as possible into the kernel ( _the_ OS per se ) and even tradicionally kernel-space stuff like filesystems out of the way, you seem to argue that we should do exactly the contrary...
no way.
worse is better
'nuff said
Sadly, it doesn't matter to non-tech software users if your software is built following all software best practices and comes loaded with amazingly rich, powerful and flexible features.
All it matters for non-tech users is that software does its job efficiently, doesn't come in the way and is right on their budget.
Eg: most FF users don't care about standards-compliance ("what the f*** does that mean ?") or even to tabbed-browsing ("ok, now i'm lost!"). They use it because it allows them to surf the web with less annoying popups and the confidence in its security hype.
worse is indeed better and M$ has proved it over time and again...
here's what a dumbass is:
/. article on becoming a casual gamer just in time to buy the latest idiotic parafernalia coming from E3.
someone who actually cares for a stupid
that is, a moron with an empty life driven by ads
"Java isn't interpreted."
sorry, call it just-in-time compilation if you like, but no matter how you look at it, it's still a language (bytecodes) being translated to another language ( native ASM ) in execution-time ( execution of the JVM, that is ). That's interpretation for me, not compilation.
"In any case, what do you propose be used for web applications?"
How about Ocaml, Python, Scheme, Haskell or Ruby? Powerful, modular, flexible and concise languages for a powerful, modular and flexible environment like the web...
or perhaps just wait for Links...
... all these boring game-related propaganda everytime E3 arrives?
/. gives a damn? there are about 5 consecutive postings about games by now and none have been worth of more than a few comments, possibly like this one...
does anyone here at
i hope the other 90% isn't IE. shame on you, since all over the world, IE is now below 90%... :)
isn't Java bad enough already?!
just imagine all the verborragic redundancy of Java/Struts + loads of xml with PHP's "1 millions inconsistently named functions in the same namespace" + global variables abound...
plus, both interpretetive performance hogs...
"the significance of Google's Web Accelerator"
now take some time to think about it:
* you look for things on google
* you have a virtual HD on gmail
* you have encyclopedics amounts of info with wikipedia/google
* and now you surf via google with web accelerator
your hole online life depends on google. there's no web out there anymore, just google's take on it...
this kinda begins to smell...
but, here it goes anyway:
1. Unleash badly designed OS on the market with lots of security holes;
2. Make sure everyone uses it thanks to your lock-in of the market;
3. Stay cool as many worms, trojans and viruses attack your consumers' PCs and they despair after a solution;
4. Aquire a cheap antivirus solution;
5. Offer solution as _the_ solution for the security problems with your badly designed OS;
6. Profit.
"same version several times for my own use after several reinstalls"
you're a retard and a bandwidth hog. ever heard of file saving?
"s an unrealized danger of OSS that others may take your project in a direction you didn't intend?"
no. if that was the case, it wouldn't be OSS, where anyone can fork the original sources. Look at xorg vs X11R6.