GrBear (63712): Nice illusion of security....wonder how many people will fall for it.
- How many corporations continue to run MS IIS to drive their corporate websites?
- How many people continue to run IE?
- How many people continue to run Windows and download the latest spyware infected software because it's trendy, even after they've had their computers infected countless times?
Your right, security is an illusion, and some people prefer to turn a blind eye rather than look at the root cause.
You are not alone, I'm now using it at work. With some toolbar customizing it looks like firefox. I'm using it so I can switch between IE and firefox engines, we have some web apps here that require IE to render properly.
Whats neat is being able to set certain sites to always use IE and the rest to use Firefox by default, very damn handy. The only catch is it still (rightfully) identifies itself as Netscape/Mozilla.
All we need now is for extensions to work (adblock!). I'm guessing that some already do if you monkey with the manifest or whatever.
Really you get most all the benefits of Firefox a few more features like switching rendering engines, built in tab customizing and better form filling options. Not too bad, I assume it can only improve.
k96822 (838564): Wow, proof that Anonymous Cowards do eventually register.
If my windshield broke due to a vulnerability in the windshield, the company does a recall. Since viruses/attacks/etc. exploit FLAWS in the design, the company is responsible for FIXING those FLAWS.
No, go read a book on how to debate intelligently.
Your argument is weak, wrong and poorly thought out. First off, if your windshield broke due to a DEFECT then sure it may get replaced and no probalby not recalled, that is simply a warranty otherwise you are shit out of luck just like with Windows. And they sure as hell won't do a recall because of a vulnerability.. you are simply wrong.
I'll define the word since I don't think you know what it means... Vulnerability: open to attack or damage. A windshield is obviously vulnerable in a million and one ways and your car manufacturer will not pay to replace any of them. It is hardly their fault that people do not protect their property. THIS SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO _ALL_ PRODUCTS.
Few viruses are as a result of OS design, they are as a result of users. The few that are as a result of the OS or other Microsoft products DO (eventually) get fixed; See winxp sp2, that fixed a shitload especially with IE. _ALL_ operating systems are vulnerable to viruses. Saying that microsoft is responsible for viruses is wrong and just typical slashdot trolling bullshit. Now it is true that viruses may run as admin on windows but it hardly matters since it could just run on user accounts all day just the same. User data is the most valuable part of a computer, not the OS and so running as a user is just as damaging.
In my opinion Microsoft should not sell this product, if anything they should give it away for free or not do it at all. Now having said that, it would be illegal for Microsoft to include Antivirus software in their OS. Go research monopolies, anti-competitive behavior and also research what happens when you sell products below cost or give them away at a loss.
I could get into this further but it would probably be a huge waste of time and I've already waste enough of my time with this response..
k96822 (838564): No, no, no! It should be part of the OS. If I buy an OS and it is vulnerable to viruses, it is a flaw in the OS's design. Why do I have to pay extra to make my machine usable?
You are so full of shit. Does Ford/Chevy pay for your car if someone breaks your windshield? Its a known weakness... Does the government reimburse you money if someone burns it on you? Its a known weakness... Does your dog breeder give you a new puppy for free because someone hits it with their care purposely? Its a known weakness...
Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism. You want free repairs for vandalism? Tough shit, I don't want to pay more because you can't protect yourself. This is no different.
Herr_Nightingale (556106):I just wish Microsoft would pull an Apple and stick a GUI on top of it. Sigh. Longhorn would come a lot sooner (mid-2010?) if they took this route. Plus it might not suck hairy donkey balls then.
I've always wanted the same thing, sadly however the majority of./ would just call Microsoft theives, etc... but its okay for Apple to do it...
I'm also waiting to see how receptive./ is of the [potentially] new Apache project.. an implimentation of Java. Lets see if they treat it the same as mono or again hipocrits.
Considering that a lot, if not most, computers are used by one user then the whole root access thing is moot.
1.) All the important, not easily recoverable files are typically in/home/ which is obviously (intentionally) vulnerable
2.) Malware can still run automatically from things like ~/.bash_rc everytime the user logs in which is typically how a lot of malware works on windows too...run_once/run/etc in registry.. autoexec.bat.. whatever.
Going back to my first statement, if only one user uses a machine and he/she/it gets malware the whole root thing doesn't help. All you really saved was the OS and thats easily replaced (don't mistake time for simplicity).
Does linux, freebsd and soloaris have a better security model than windows? Yes obviously (IMHO). Is it going to save you from malware? Hell no... Will it protect your valuables? Not likely.
Any asshole can whip something up to scan for r/w directories and empty the contents. Hell its easier to do than in windows with shell scripts. From my point of view a root account wouldn't be much more useful than the user account you want to spy on.
Agreed, but shouldn't NASA also acknowledge that fact and let the people know about it? Case in point, recent "crack" which was discussed on slashdot. Yesterday, I read an article, which states that NASA is downplaying it. May be it is nothing but shouldn't their attitude be more realistic?
Do you think you are a fucking rocket scientist!?! Most of them are... you are not smarter than the lowest 5% of people at NASA... why don't you people quit thinking you know everything and leave the worrying up to the people who REALLY know what they are talking about.
As for "and let the people know about it", what does it matter to you? You aren't on the ship and the people on the ship DO know the risks. Am I missing something here? Are you their fucking lawyer or union rep or what?
CSS 2.1 has come along. The standard is time stamped 25 Feb 2004, so it has been out for over a year.
Thus, I hope that I speak for all of us when I say: If you think CSS 2.1 is better than CSS 2, just go ahead and implement it. I sure won't mind if you choose 2.1 over 2.
Follow your own link, it is a CANDIDATE RECOMMENDATION. Additionally, slashdot people get pissed when Microsoft doesn't impliment a standard perfectly and you are saying you speak for all of us and encourage them to do just that? hahaha
bcmm (768152): "There are legitimate reasons to sell on ebay, but a gun is for shooting people with (don't talk bullshit about hunting with handguns)"... "If no one has guns, no one gets to shoot people."
You are a fucking idiot and I'll burn up karma saying so...
Let me introduce you to elementry thinking 101. First off it is impossible to not have guns available, it will NEVER happen and as such the few people with guns would have a lot of power, same idea as prohibition jackass. Its the same idea as the bully in school is always the big kid or if you were on a jet with a boxcutter... In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. I wonder if they sell books for common sense?
Good luck with your anti-gun campaign Rosie ODonnell. It amazes me how beligerance clogs the thought process...
This gets worse as I think about it, there is some caching when you listen to cds too! What about the antiskip cd players! They have a buffer built right in! Those people are reproducing music!
Oh man, I forgot how eyes work, I cannot look at anything without my eyes sending a reproduction of what I see to my brain via nerves.
The downloading = reproduction crap, even though I am sure people have already been in trouble for, is BS.
It's #4 that is the show-stopper since the original post implies (or at least I inferred from it) that content is to be served to more than just localhost requests.
It takes all of a few seconds to recompile cassini to answer to anyone... IIRC you simply comment out 3 lines.
I'm pretty sure this guy hit #C# on Freenode yesterday or so, he is on linux so the cassini stuff isn't going to work for him anyway.
In the short term which may be just weeks or months you are correct, there is much fewer malicious programs floating around for non Windows computers. Do not fool yourself into believing that it is not coming!
Your statement however "The best antispyware is buy a Mac, or install your favourite distro." is no where near true, in fact it is pure bullshit... The best anitspyware is to educate yourself about 1.) the sources of spyware 2.) prevention (browser and software choices) 3.) and cleaning it.
jo_ham (604554):The best antispyware is buy a Mac, or install your favourite distro.
I have to disagree, while there are ignorant users this will continue no matter the OS/platform used. Easily half of this stuff comes from users WILLINGLY installing it... see Kazaa, et al.
And Linux innovated... what? They copied everything from UNICES and Windows. What came out on linux prior to UNIX, Windows and Mac? Quit drinking the slashdot koolaid and think for yourself.
I use linux over half the day, I love it but it doesn't change the fact that everything on Linux is 'ported' or is a clone of exisiting software witht he only difference being the license. I hate hipocrits, its okay for the linux community to copy everything but not microsoft? interesting...
This reminds me of TommyBoy... Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting. Ted: I'm listening. Tommy: Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside. Ted: Yeah, makes a man feel good. Tommy: 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter. Ted: What's your point? Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times. Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then? Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.
Funny you mention that! The first thing I tested with this OO snapshot was my resume (several versions of it). They looked the exact same as on Word for the first time, even the extra blank page that I can't get rid of.
Holy shit you are so right! And what next, the whitehouse site? Microsoft? Oh wait.... thats right, there are probably people with 2 IQ points adding sites to the list. Or do you think that is a fully automatic system? hahahha..
Thats a bit different, there is NOT a good supply of nurses and doctors willing to work anywhere in the country, some areas such as where I live have not been fully staffed for decades, and that generally causes the long hours, not a greedy hospital... YMMV
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GrBear (63712): Nice illusion of security....wonder how many people will fall for it.
- How many corporations continue to run MS IIS to drive their corporate websites?
- How many people continue to run IE?
- How many people continue to run Windows and download the latest spyware infected software because it's trendy, even after they've had their computers infected countless times?
Your right, security is an illusion, and some people prefer to turn a blind eye rather than look at the root cause.
IIS 6 (3 advisories)http://secunia.com/product/1438/
IIS 5 (11 advisories) http://secunia.com/product/39/
IIS 4 (6 advisories) http://secunia.com/product/38/
Apache 2 (24 advisories) http://secunia.com/product/73/
Apache 1.3 (15 advisories) http://secunia.com/product/72/
Apache - 29 Advisories
IIS - 20 Advisories
Did I miss something?
You are not alone, I'm now using it at work. With some toolbar customizing it looks like firefox. I'm using it so I can switch between IE and firefox engines, we have some web apps here that require IE to render properly.
Whats neat is being able to set certain sites to always use IE and the rest to use Firefox by default, very damn handy. The only catch is it still (rightfully) identifies itself as Netscape/Mozilla.
All we need now is for extensions to work (adblock!). I'm guessing that some already do if you monkey with the manifest or whatever.
Really you get most all the benefits of Firefox a few more features like switching rendering engines, built in tab customizing and better form filling options. Not too bad, I assume it can only improve.
k96822 (838564): Wow, proof that Anonymous Cowards do eventually register.
If my windshield broke due to a vulnerability in the windshield, the company does a recall. Since viruses/attacks/etc. exploit FLAWS in the design, the company is responsible for FIXING those FLAWS.
No, go read a book on how to debate intelligently.
Your argument is weak, wrong and poorly thought out. First off, if your windshield broke due to a DEFECT then sure it may get replaced and no probalby not recalled, that is simply a warranty otherwise you are shit out of luck just like with Windows. And they sure as hell won't do a recall because of a vulnerability.. you are simply wrong.
I'll define the word since I don't think you know what it means... Vulnerability: open to attack or damage. A windshield is obviously vulnerable in a million and one ways and your car manufacturer will not pay to replace any of them. It is hardly their fault that people do not protect their property. THIS SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO _ALL_ PRODUCTS.
Few viruses are as a result of OS design, they are as a result of users. The few that are as a result of the OS or other Microsoft products DO (eventually) get fixed; See winxp sp2, that fixed a shitload especially with IE. _ALL_ operating systems are vulnerable to viruses. Saying that microsoft is responsible for viruses is wrong and just typical slashdot trolling bullshit. Now it is true that viruses may run as admin on windows but it hardly matters since it could just run on user accounts all day just the same. User data is the most valuable part of a computer, not the OS and so running as a user is just as damaging.
In my opinion Microsoft should not sell this product, if anything they should give it away for free or not do it at all. Now having said that, it would be illegal for Microsoft to include Antivirus software in their OS. Go research monopolies, anti-competitive behavior and also research what happens when you sell products below cost or give them away at a loss.
I could get into this further but it would probably be a huge waste of time and I've already waste enough of my time with this response..
k96822 (838564): No, no, no! It should be part of the OS. If I buy an OS and it is vulnerable to viruses, it is a flaw in the OS's design. Why do I have to pay extra to make my machine usable?
You are so full of shit. Does Ford/Chevy pay for your car if someone breaks your windshield? Its a known weakness... Does the government reimburse you money if someone burns it on you? Its a known weakness... Does your dog breeder give you a new puppy for free because someone hits it with their care purposely? Its a known weakness...
Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism. You want free repairs for vandalism? Tough shit, I don't want to pay more because you can't protect yourself. This is no different.
Herr_Nightingale (556106): I just wish Microsoft would pull an Apple and stick a GUI on top of it. Sigh. Longhorn would come a lot sooner (mid-2010?) if they took this route. Plus it might not suck hairy donkey balls then.
./ would just call Microsoft theives, etc... but its okay for Apple to do it...
./ is of the [potentially] new Apache project.. an implimentation of Java. Lets see if they treat it the same as mono or again hipocrits.
I've always wanted the same thing, sadly however the majority of
I'm also waiting to see how receptive
Considering that a lot, if not most, computers are used by one user then the whole root access thing is moot.
/home/ which is obviously (intentionally) vulnerable
2.) Malware can still run automatically from things like ~/.bash_rc everytime the user logs in which is typically how a lot of malware works on windows too ...run_once/run/etc in registry.. autoexec.bat.. whatever.
Going back to my first statement, if only one user uses a machine and he/she/it gets malware the whole root thing doesn't help. All you really saved was the OS and thats easily replaced (don't mistake time for simplicity).
Does linux, freebsd and soloaris have a better security model than windows? Yes obviously (IMHO). Is it going to save you from malware? Hell no... Will it protect your valuables? Not likely.
Any asshole can whip something up to scan for r/w directories and empty the contents. Hell its easier to do than in windows with shell scripts. From my point of view a root account wouldn't be much more useful than the user account you want to spy on.
1.) All the important, not easily recoverable files are typically in
While many there are rocket scientists, the people doing the downplaying are PR people A.K.A. politicians by a different name.
Duh? And they speak on behalf of whom?
Agreed, but shouldn't NASA also acknowledge that fact and let the people know about it? Case in point, recent "crack" which was discussed on slashdot. Yesterday, I read an article, which states that NASA is downplaying it. May be it is nothing but shouldn't their attitude be more realistic?
Do you think you are a fucking rocket scientist!?! Most of them are... you are not smarter than the lowest 5% of people at NASA... why don't you people quit thinking you know everything and leave the worrying up to the people who REALLY know what they are talking about.
As for "and let the people know about it", what does it matter to you? You aren't on the ship and the people on the ship DO know the risks. Am I missing something here? Are you their fucking lawyer or union rep or what?
CSS 2.1 has come along. The standard is time stamped 25 Feb 2004, so it has been out for over a year.
Thus, I hope that I speak for all of us when I say: If you think CSS 2.1 is better than CSS 2, just go ahead and implement it. I sure won't mind if you choose 2.1 over 2.
Follow your own link, it is a CANDIDATE RECOMMENDATION. Additionally, slashdot people get pissed when Microsoft doesn't impliment a standard perfectly and you are saying you speak for all of us and encourage them to do just that? hahaha
Once again it amazes me how beligerance clogs the thought process... You seam to think that you can easily see someone with a gun... hahaha.
bcmm (768152): "There are legitimate reasons to sell on ebay, but a gun is for shooting people with (don't talk bullshit about hunting with handguns)" ... "If no one has guns, no one gets to shoot people."
You are a fucking idiot and I'll burn up karma saying so...
Let me introduce you to elementry thinking 101. First off it is impossible to not have guns available, it will NEVER happen and as such the few people with guns would have a lot of power, same idea as prohibition jackass. Its the same idea as the bully in school is always the big kid or if you were on a jet with a boxcutter... In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. I wonder if they sell books for common sense?
Good luck with your anti-gun campaign Rosie ODonnell. It amazes me how beligerance clogs the thought process...
Downloading is a form of reproduction, and reproduction is an exclusive right of the copyright holder.
So what you are saying is that it is impossible for me to LOOK at websites containing copyrighted material since it is first downloaded to my computer and second saved in my cache... doh! Oh no, I just realized, at the bottom of slashdot is "All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 1997-2005 OSTG.". Please don't sue me OSTG, I was REQUIRED to copy your copyrighted material to view it since I cannot borrow your server(s).
This gets worse as I think about it, there is some caching when you listen to cds too! What about the antiskip cd players! They have a buffer built right in! Those people are reproducing music!
Oh man, I forgot how eyes work, I cannot look at anything without my eyes sending a reproduction of what I see to my brain via nerves.
The downloading = reproduction crap, even though I am sure people have already been in trouble for, is BS.
It's #4 that is the show-stopper since the original post implies (or at least I inferred from it) that content is to be served to more than just localhost requests.
It takes all of a few seconds to recompile cassini to answer to anyone... IIRC you simply comment out 3 lines.
I'm pretty sure this guy hit #C# on Freenode yesterday or so, he is on linux so the cassini stuff isn't going to work for him anyway.
I believe it was Xandros waaaaaaay back when it was first released that included solitaire as part of the install
You are talking about Lycoris.
In the short term which may be just weeks or months you are correct, there is much fewer malicious programs floating around for non Windows computers. Do not fool yourself into believing that it is not coming!
Your statement however "The best antispyware is buy a Mac, or install your favourite distro." is no where near true, in fact it is pure bullshit... The best anitspyware is to educate yourself about 1.) the sources of spyware 2.) prevention (browser and software choices) 3.) and cleaning it.
jo_ham (604554): The best antispyware is buy a Mac, or install your favourite distro.
I have to disagree, while there are ignorant users this will continue no matter the OS/platform used. Easily half of this stuff comes from users WILLINGLY installing it... see Kazaa, et al.
And Linux innovated... what? They copied everything from UNICES and Windows. What came out on linux prior to UNIX, Windows and Mac? Quit drinking the slashdot koolaid and think for yourself.
I use linux over half the day, I love it but it doesn't change the fact that everything on Linux is 'ported' or is a clone of exisiting software witht he only difference being the license. I hate hipocrits, its okay for the linux community to copy everything but not microsoft? interesting...
and now postgres
Redhat is one of their sponsers, maybe one of their contributions is the design? _THIS IS JUST A GUESS_
This reminds me of TommyBoy...
Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting.
Ted: I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.
Ted: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.
Ted: What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.
Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.
Funny you mention that! The first thing I tested with this OO snapshot was my resume (several versions of it). They looked the exact same as on Word for the first time, even the extra blank page that I can't get rid of.
Holy shit you are so right! And what next, the whitehouse site? Microsoft? Oh wait.... thats right, there are probably people with 2 IQ points adding sites to the list. Or do you think that is a fully automatic system? hahahha..
Thats a bit different, there is NOT a good supply of nurses and doctors willing to work anywhere in the country, some areas such as where I live have not been fully staffed for decades, and that generally causes the long hours, not a greedy hospital... YMMV
Oh and before the grammar nazis get me, I know it is pursue not persue...
Maybe, and I realize you may be joking but why would Microsoft persue another antitrust trial? Thats what they would be doing...