http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7n8x-d/ov erview.htm
Whether or not this one is Firewire 800, it still has firewire and all the other features of the new mac hardware and it's been out for months(a year?).
We can easily draw the line. The line is firmly entrenched in human beings. If you want to determine how intelligent a computer is, you compare it to us. While a computer may be able to do a task, and do it well, that is not thinking in the way that humans do. It is a well defined algorithm.
The fact of the matter is not that Chess is not a difficult task, or that it doesn't require intelligence for a HUMAN to solve the problem. However in this case clever engineers sat around and looked at the problem of chess. They found a simple set of rules to model the game, and then simply brute forced their way to a solution. All of the intelligence is on the human end. CS guys built the machine, CS guys programmed the machine, etc.
It can't be intelligence if you have no idea what you are doing, and why you are doing it. Chess in the way we play it is still a human only skill. Even for today's computers a flawless chess game is unfeasible because they simply do not have the memory to handle it.
Currently, if a computer can do it, it's all the intelligence of the programmers and engineers who built the system, combined with algorithms and number crunching.
If you want to make some ridiculous attempt to say that because my computer knows how to send e-mail, or can keep 10million chess moves in memory so it's intelligent, keep telling yourself that. If you think that it's spellchecker can spell better then you, great, worship it. However, you are still dealing with a machine that some intelligent human wrote, and that machine is no brighter then the cathode ray tube on your desk.
AI != Thinking like a human being, imitating a human being, etc.
AI has many branches, several of which are applied AI and have to do with having a computer do some complicated task. Whether or not the computer is thinking should be seperated from whether or not we're talking about AI.
If this article is about how computers may be becoming more intelligent then human beings, then they weren't paying attention when Deep Blue first beat Kasparov. No one at IBM ever said: "Behold, the first intelligent computer! It can think for itself!"
However, they did very clearly say that chess is sufficently well understood that a fairly basic AI algorithm and heuristics (and a lot of specialized "Chess Processors" could essentially turn the game into a huge search problem.
I think that people should not mix terminology here. If they are talking about computers having human intelligence, then that is what you should talk about, not AI. Because AI includes all of the things like playing chess, and emulating human intelligence, and learning algorithms, and...
So if I get beaten up... I should sit idly by? Forgive? Assuming I'm hurt seriously enough to need to spend time in the hospital, they likely exerted more then a reasonable amount of force. Even if you start a fight, that rarely justifies someone beating you until you end up in the hospital. At that point, it's not a fight, it's assault.
Hell yes, if joyriders trash my car they can certainly at least pay to fix it up. That is in the unlikely event that I know their name, address, phone number, etc and can make them.
Someone kills MY friend or family member they'll be lucky to be locked up for life, god forbid I get my hands on them.
You seem to be having difficulty seperating RETRIBUTION and RESPONSIBILITY. If you do something, you are responsible for the consequences. If someone punches you in the face and in return you break his leg and a couple of ribs, be prepared to spend some time in jail, or pay his medical bills. If you commit a crime you deserve to be punished. We live in a society that gives you rights, and with those rights comes responsibility to others. There is a point, possibly where someone has killed another person where simply killing the killer makes little difference or sense(it's just more death, you can't bring back your friend or family member now can you.) In terms of medical bills, repair costs etc, that is simply a case of someone being responsible for abridging someone elses rights.
In this case I think that those people who feel like spamming the spammers have a good idea. It's essentially a way of taking the protest directly to the spammers, and it get's this argument on whether spamming is criminal into public forums.
Are there any computer geeks out there who are as sick as I am of hearing "Geek" thrown around in reference to EQ players?
I mean, you play EQ... If you play 40-50 hours a week, that's pretty much all you do. I think that a computer geek is not just someone who plays a game. The fact that it is a computer game doesn't make the player a geek.
Being a Geek should be more creative, more generative and constructive. If you simply consume the dreck being fed to you, you are not a geek. Car geeks, music geeks, and so on usually work on their cars, music, etc. They do more then simply look at car magazines, or buy cd's.
"I'm very lazy. As part of that continuing effort..."
Don't we have a contradiction right here?
"...I've come up with a guide for installing a soda fountain in the house..."
Why do people bother to say things like: "I'm really lazy, so I decided to repaint my house!" Or, "I'm really lazy so I built and documented the process for building a soda fountain."
I mean, aren't you expressing a lot time and hardwork spent on a project, in the name of laziness?
Whatever...
Oh come on! Have major hollywood crapfests taught you nothing. There are at least TWO courses of action assuming we get a heads up on the imminent impact of a life-ending asteroid.
1: We send oilmen into space to blow it up.(Armageddon)
2: We stoically stand on the beach and wait to die.(Deep Impact)
I mean, just imagine how long it will take congress to decide which we're supposed to do. Advance warning would be quite useful.
I think someone should mod the parent poster up. Even if this is a serious attempt to criticize linux, it's more funny then a troll. I guess it is sort of off topic though.
"Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to..."
I feel so awful, since I didn't link to the site...
There was a post earlier today/yesterday stating that both Panasonic(?) and more importantly Sony are building linux consumer devices and GPL'ing the code. I also thought that the Linux for PS2 thing was blessed by Sony, unlike Xbox Linux.
I read about this a month ago in at maximumpc.com. They mentioned that it was really quite cool, with the agp slot and everything, and is really quite stable. They also mentioned that it was very quiet do to a heat pipe for the processor. So there is a dedicated heat pipe assembly already installed for you to use with your 2.4gig proc. I wasn't able to connect to read the article on Tom's but I really doubt they didn't mention that.
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http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7n8x-d/ov erview.htm
Whether or not this one is Firewire 800, it still has firewire and all the other features of the new mac hardware and it's been out for months(a year?).
amen brother
We can easily draw the line. The line is firmly entrenched in human beings. If you want to determine how intelligent a computer is, you compare it to us. While a computer may be able to do a task, and do it well, that is not thinking in the way that humans do. It is a well defined algorithm.
The fact of the matter is not that Chess is not a difficult task, or that it doesn't require intelligence for a HUMAN to solve the problem. However in this case clever engineers sat around and looked at the problem of chess. They found a simple set of rules to model the game, and then simply brute forced their way to a solution. All of the intelligence is on the human end. CS guys built the machine, CS guys programmed the machine, etc.
It can't be intelligence if you have no idea what you are doing, and why you are doing it. Chess in the way we play it is still a human only skill. Even for today's computers a flawless chess game is unfeasible because they simply do not have the memory to handle it.
Currently, if a computer can do it, it's all the intelligence of the programmers and engineers who built the system, combined with algorithms and number crunching.
If you want to make some ridiculous attempt to say that because my computer knows how to send e-mail, or can keep 10million chess moves in memory so it's intelligent, keep telling yourself that. If you think that it's spellchecker can spell better then you, great, worship it. However, you are still dealing with a machine that some intelligent human wrote, and that machine is no brighter then the cathode ray tube on your desk.
AI != Thinking like a human being, imitating a human being, etc.
AI has many branches, several of which are applied AI and have to do with having a computer do some complicated task. Whether or not the computer is thinking should be seperated from whether or not we're talking about AI.
If this article is about how computers may be becoming more intelligent then human beings, then they weren't paying attention when Deep Blue first beat Kasparov. No one at IBM ever said: "Behold, the first intelligent computer! It can think for itself!"
However, they did very clearly say that chess is sufficently well understood that a fairly basic AI algorithm and heuristics (and a lot of specialized "Chess Processors" could essentially turn the game into a huge search problem.
I think that people should not mix terminology here. If they are talking about computers having human intelligence, then that is what you should talk about, not AI. Because AI includes all of the things like playing chess, and emulating human intelligence, and learning algorithms, and...
So if I get beaten up... I should sit idly by? Forgive? Assuming I'm hurt seriously enough to need to spend time in the hospital, they likely exerted more then a reasonable amount of force. Even if you start a fight, that rarely justifies someone beating you until you end up in the hospital. At that point, it's not a fight, it's assault.
Hell yes, if joyriders trash my car they can certainly at least pay to fix it up. That is in the unlikely event that I know their name, address, phone number, etc and can make them.
Someone kills MY friend or family member they'll be lucky to be locked up for life, god forbid I get my hands on them.
You seem to be having difficulty seperating RETRIBUTION and RESPONSIBILITY. If you do something, you are responsible for the consequences. If someone punches you in the face and in return you break his leg and a couple of ribs, be prepared to spend some time in jail, or pay his medical bills. If you commit a crime you deserve to be punished. We live in a society that gives you rights, and with those rights comes responsibility to others. There is a point, possibly where someone has killed another person where simply killing the killer makes little difference or sense(it's just more death, you can't bring back your friend or family member now can you.) In terms of medical bills, repair costs etc, that is simply a case of someone being responsible for abridging someone elses rights.
In this case I think that those people who feel like spamming the spammers have a good idea. It's essentially a way of taking the protest directly to the spammers, and it get's this argument on whether spamming is criminal into public forums.
Are there any computer geeks out there who are as sick as I am of hearing "Geek" thrown around in reference to EQ players?
I mean, you play EQ... If you play 40-50 hours a week, that's pretty much all you do. I think that a computer geek is not just someone who plays a game. The fact that it is a computer game doesn't make the player a geek.
Being a Geek should be more creative, more generative and constructive. If you simply consume the dreck being fed to you, you are not a geek. Car geeks, music geeks, and so on usually work on their cars, music, etc. They do more then simply look at car magazines, or buy cd's.
"I'm very lazy. As part of that continuing effort..." Don't we have a contradiction right here? "...I've come up with a guide for installing a soda fountain in the house..." Why do people bother to say things like: "I'm really lazy, so I decided to repaint my house!" Or, "I'm really lazy so I built and documented the process for building a soda fountain." I mean, aren't you expressing a lot time and hardwork spent on a project, in the name of laziness? Whatever...
Oh come on! Have major hollywood crapfests taught you nothing. There are at least TWO courses of action assuming we get a heads up on the imminent impact of a life-ending asteroid. 1: We send oilmen into space to blow it up.(Armageddon) 2: We stoically stand on the beach and wait to die.(Deep Impact) I mean, just imagine how long it will take congress to decide which we're supposed to do. Advance warning would be quite useful.
I think someone should mod the parent poster up. Even if this is a serious attempt to criticize linux, it's more funny then a troll. I guess it is sort of off topic though.
This is what you see when you visit there site...
"Due to the people at slashdot.org linking to this site without asking the owners or the hosters, asciipr0n.com is offline until further notice. Maybe you guys should start mirroring the sites you link to..."
I feel so awful, since I didn't link to the site...
Oh wait...
There was a post earlier today/yesterday stating that both Panasonic(?) and more importantly Sony are building linux consumer devices and GPL'ing the code. I also thought that the Linux for PS2 thing was blessed by Sony, unlike Xbox Linux.
That's at least one major company.
I read about this a month ago in at maximumpc.com. They mentioned that it was really quite cool, with the agp slot and everything, and is really quite stable. They also mentioned that it was very quiet do to a heat pipe for the processor. So there is a dedicated heat pipe assembly already installed for you to use with your 2.4gig proc. I wasn't able to connect to read the article on Tom's but I really doubt they didn't mention that.