The deal with these fundamentalists is that people that actually have a brain don't dare to speak up anymore.
Unless they are confronted, they will just keep on repeating the lies until it becomes true. And who is going to oppose them? It's becoming more and more difficult to speak up against the people of fate. Real outspoken Atheist are rare, lately. We need a hero:(
>realize that the French are slimy, greedy bastards, too
And your point is?
I want a backup, just in case the U.S. breaks down. France/EU/Congo/Whatever may not be that reliable either, but is good to know that we have fallback positions. The EU is rapidly positioning itself as U.S. backup on many fronts. And that's great news.
'Republican Alabama lawmaker Gerald Allen says homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle. (...) under his bill, public school libraries could no longer buy new copies of plays or books by gay authors, or about gay characters.' (Alabama Bill targeting Gay Authors)
Yea, I know, its only gays getting humiliated/beaten/banned. They are not going after you anytime soon, right?
Libraries in the US are getting closer to censorship than ever. Take for example this new Alabama Bill targeting Gay Authors from an elected Republican representative in the state legislature, Gerald "book-burying " Allen. Consider other minor incidents like the New Mexico Book burning party . Can you spot a trend?
Google already succumbed to China censorship pressures. Would they resist censorship pressures from the Christian right, inside the US? Yea, right, just like Microsoft did.
Don't fool yourself, folks. US companies are no longer a reliable for such a task. If Google is allow t create another de facto monopoly in Library Search, we risk gay books, Evolution volumes or the freaking Harry Potter adventures disappearing anytime now. Let me ask you, who's going to preserve Western Culture heritage if the US completes it's path towards fascism bushflash.com/14.html? India!? The Chinese!!? Well, apparently it's going to be the French. Good for them.
True, that's the ironic part. It was the European colonist fault, but now, somehow, Indians think of homophobia as part of ancestral Indian identity, while gay people are considered just a perverted influence from western countries. Go figure.
>there has been no particular case of court-sanctioned imprisonment because of the law.
You are wrong on this one >URL:http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/india/india.h tm>, they do put people on jail there, and, "More to the point", even if they don't always do you get the same effect: gay people live in fear, their freedom has been curtained, they are oppressed.
>Let me guess...you've never visited nor lived in India
3 month there so far.
> What percent of the population are you stating is forced into arranged marriage and what percentage of the population is gay?
Gay activist usually claim that up to 10% of the population is gay. More conservative assumptions are around 5%. 100/50 million figures is only for gays, add arranged marriages.
>Perhaps one should take that high powered critical eye and focus it in the mirror. Or perhaps you forgot that there are eleven states in the U.S....
Nonsense. I'm Spanish.
>Honestly, what deep dark crevice in your rectum did you pull that number out of?
Well, that was homophobic. Let me guess, you are Indian. Or American.
>Got one word for you. Kamasutra.
Porn is illegal. Gay sex is illegal. Kamasutra? Please...
>In contrast the current United States administration is pushing for "abstinence" from the faith based...
Keep on comparing with the U.S. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>You're a troll. "China actually respect sexual minorites". Good Lord, what kind of crack are you on?
Homophobic, rabidly anti-American, and not very knowledgeable. Que te jodan, capullin.
"'it is not state repression but the views of the society in general."
Not quit true: Is both, democracy at it's best, mob-mentality voters upholding laws for the legal lynching of repressed minorities.
"Homosexuality is not a punishable crime in the sense that no one has been convicted of it in recent years."
Unfortunately that's not true either, they are still putting people in jail, http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/india/india.htm. Gays are also harassed on many other ways, police eats, rob and sometimes rape then on cruising areas, and all form of active discrimination is of course legal. AIDS counselling is unavailable, what usually translates on a death sentence.
You are comparing India intellectual product with that of a country 70 times smaller. That is in itself very telling. Why don't you compare it with Europe, a small 450 Million union? Or the US. Or South America. Go counting literature novel prices, design, technology innovation and plastic arts there.
The truth is Bangalore is not San Francisco bay area, nor Milan, and for good reason.
India is not free country either. India is an ultra-conservative society where people are routinely coerced into arranged marriage, and gays are persecuted. Homosexuality is illegal, a crime punishable with live in prison. That's between 100 and 50 million oppressed gays, more repressed people than any other country in the word , other than China.
None of the expected advantages of democracy can be expected on a country that represses sexual minorities; the intellectual vanguards can not flourish without sexual liberation. Further more, sexual repression inevitably translates into AIDS pandemics. India HIV numbers are going up, fast and steady. Keep in mind that this is a society where you can't talk freely about a condom, let alone buy one on your local village store. Answering straightforward questions about your sex live to an AIDS prevention outfit or seeking help for AIDS may translate on ostracism, being cut off from your family, physical attacks, and/or live in prison, without access to medicines.
Other countries on the region (China, Thailand) actually respect sexual minorities, and are managing to reign over AIDS expansion much better. Yes, India may have managed to get an impressive engineering work force, but how good is that if your workforce is going to be decimated by AIDS on a few years time?
One of the two original creators of Superman was gay. The director of the movie is openly gay. And Superman is, well, a SUPER man. Who's so interested on men made of steel anyway more than gay men do? The question is, why do YOU want to be superman.
Nonsense, we are getting there. According to most observers it may take just a few more Moore years to get it done. In fact, this company may already have a Proto-AI.
That is not the patent for PageRank. PageRank had already been patented by Stanford University, just before Google was created, when it was a community effort.
This new patent is a patent over an improvement of PageRank, what they call now "LocalRank" and "NewRank". It is designed to stop competitor from developing pagerank-like technologies. Armed with that kind of patent, they can stop open-sorce Aspseek, Teoma and others from developing similar technologies. What they are tryng to do is extend patents over citation ranking and peer-review, something that has been around since the creation of the first libraries. This is NOT good.
Basically, this means no more money from the suits to any citation-ranking related effor in any start-up, fearing litigation. It could mean also no more installations of open-source Aspseek (Google Appliance's competitor )in corporate environments, because of fear of litigation.
Nonsense. The same principles applys to bicycles, and they do cohabitate pretty well with "elderly people" in cities all around the world. Think Amsterdam or Rotterdam, for example, where, by the way, Life expectancy is 78.5 years, higher than the US. So much for the "die within a year" nonsense. Greedy politicians an old time lobbying from the motor industry are the most likely explanations, if you ask me.
>. I don't doubt that more people link ro
>furnitureporn.com (you didn't even copy the
>domain correctly!) than to any other "porn" site
>there.
Nonsense. Try link:www.furnitureporn.com. They have about 400 links,(most of them unrelated, by the way), far less than most well promoted adult web sites.
>And from whom did this "true" come?
Hey, true is always relative. Read the news, read the optimicers forums. People suing around, optimicers complaining, funny results for a number of comercial categories. I do have a opinion about it.
You said "If Google becomes too abusive, people will go elsewhere".No, they will not, it is a captive market: They will keep on using google, as the best alternative, no matter how much they manipulate the search results.
Just check for "porn". Do you really think Pornfurniture.com is the most relevant search item for porn? Following pagerank rules it should be way down to result number -3.000. But they do manipulate search results, to force companies to pay for advertisements. That IS the TRUE about Google.
Google does 90% of the non-msn queries, and that's pretty close to controlling the flow of information on the Internet, something that certainly scare the hell out of many folks out there.
To see other companies truly trying to compete with Google is really very good, good news.
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Yes it should. We are working on it, at www.sp.org (front end not ready, Im afraid). Its going to be basically a Aspsearch distribution using grid computing capabilitys.
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I strongly disagree. Fantasy worlds, like hope and alternative thinking is not "Systematic untruth", is human genius at it best. Calling the pursuit of utopic worlds "ethically deviant" is not only stupid, is dangerous. Yous post is the most concret piece of fascist thinking Ive seen in years.
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Well, alcohol and tobacco advertising is illegal now in most democracies, including most of the EU, Internet biggest market, so I guess they are all right: they agree with the mayority of a 300+ million union, good enought for a One Person World View.
After reading the article, I must said that I think Brin is all right. Lets hope he have the streng to resist commercialization's dark side. They have showed signs of weakness recently, anly partially corrected now.
Thanks for your aswer. You see, humor is great, we all love it, but persistent, denigratory coments from a mayority about some very speciffic people is no humorous at all: it is call bullying, and it has very specific, undesirable consecuences.
I don't think many people here will consider bullying as a legitimate way of entertaiment.
It is a joke denigrating gays. You do have the right of posting denigratory comments insulting blacks, jewish people, gays, nerds, or whoever you chose to. And we have the right to point it out, and tell you what we think of bigotry, and people like you. It is a same that someone using that kind of speech would get any support from others here.
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>Can you see my point The deal with these fundamentalists is that people that actually have a brain don't dare to speak up anymore.
moded 2 x troll. It sucks to be right on this one. Oh well...
The deal with these fundamentalists is that people that actually have a brain don't dare to speak up anymore.
:(
Unless they are confronted, they will just keep on repeating the lies until it becomes true. And who is going to oppose them? It's becoming more and more difficult to speak up against the people of fate.
Real outspoken Atheist are rare, lately. We need a hero
>realize that the French are slimy, greedy bastards, too
And your point is?
I want a backup, just in case the U.S. breaks down. France/EU/Congo/Whatever may not be that reliable either, but is good to know that we have fallback positions. The EU is rapidly positioning itself as U.S. backup on many fronts. And that's great news.
Consider this:
'Republican Alabama lawmaker Gerald Allen says homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle. (...) under his bill, public school libraries could no longer buy new copies of plays or books by gay authors, or about gay characters.' (Alabama Bill targeting Gay Authors)
Yea, I know, its only gays getting humiliated/beaten/banned. They are not going after you anytime soon, right?
Libraries in the US are getting closer to censorship than ever. Take for example this new Alabama Bill targeting Gay Authors from an elected Republican representative in the state legislature, Gerald "book-burying " Allen. Consider other minor incidents like the New Mexico Book burning party . Can you spot a trend?
.
Google already succumbed to China censorship pressures. Would they resist censorship pressures from the Christian right, inside the US? Yea, right, just like Microsoft did
Don't fool yourself, folks. US companies are no longer a reliable for such a task. If Google is allow t create another de facto monopoly in Library Search, we risk gay books, Evolution volumes or the freaking Harry Potter adventures disappearing anytime now.
Let me ask you, who's going to preserve Western Culture heritage if the US completes it's path towards fascism bushflash.com/14.html? India!? The Chinese!!? Well, apparently it's going to be the French. Good for them.
Ops, that was NOT the preview button. Oh well...
Libraries in the US are getting closer to censorship than ever. Take for example this new Alabama Bill targeting Gay Authors http://gay.com/gay http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/26/eveningn ews/main691106.shtml from an elected Republican representative in the state legislature, Gerald "book-burying
" Allen http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11 710,1369643,00.html
Consider some 'minor incidents' like New Mexico Book burning party http://books.guardian.co.uk/harrypotter/story/0,10 761,626418,00.html
Google is a US company, who already succumbed to China censorship pressures http://www.rfa.org/english/news/technology/2004/08 /01/142626/. Would they resist censorship pressures from the Christian right? Yea, right, just like Microsoft did http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/ 21/162247.
Don't fool yourself, folks. US companies are no longer a reliable for such a task. If Google is allow t create another de facto monopoly in Library Search, we risk gay books, Evolution volumes or the freaking Harry Potter adventures disappearing anytime now.
Let me ask you, who's going to preserve Western Culture heritage if the US completes it's path towards fascism bushflash.com/14.html? India!? The Chinese!!? Well, apparently it's going to be the French. Good for them.
> inherited from the British Common Law
h tm>, they do put people on jail there, and, "More to the point", even if they don't always do you get the same effect: gay people live in fear, their freedom has been curtained, they are oppressed.
True, that's the ironic part. It was the European colonist fault, but now, somehow, Indians think of homophobia as part of ancestral Indian identity, while gay people are considered just a perverted influence from western countries. Go figure.
>there has been no particular case of court-sanctioned imprisonment because of the law.
You are wrong on this one >URL:http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/india/india.
>Let me guess...you've never visited nor lived in India
...
3 month there so far.
> What percent of the population are you stating is forced into arranged marriage and what percentage of the population is gay?
Gay activist usually claim that up to 10% of the population is gay. More conservative assumptions are around 5%. 100/50 million figures is only for gays, add arranged marriages.
>Perhaps one should take that high powered critical eye and focus it in the mirror. Or perhaps you forgot that there are eleven states in the U.S....
Nonsense. I'm Spanish.
>Honestly, what deep dark crevice in your rectum did you pull that number out of?
Well, that was homophobic. Let me guess, you are Indian. Or American.
>Got one word for you. Kamasutra.
Porn is illegal. Gay sex is illegal. Kamasutra? Please...
>In contrast the current United States administration is pushing for "abstinence" from the faith based
Keep on comparing with the U.S. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>You're a troll. "China actually respect sexual minorites". Good Lord, what kind of crack are you on?
Homophobic, rabidly anti-American, and not very knowledgeable. Que te jodan, capullin.
"'it is not state repression but the views of the society in general."
Not quit true: Is both, democracy at it's best, mob-mentality voters upholding laws for the legal lynching of repressed minorities.
"Homosexuality is not a punishable crime in the sense that no one has been convicted of it in recent years."
Unfortunately that's not true either, they are still putting people in jail, http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/india/india.htm.
Gays are also harassed on many other ways, police eats, rob and sometimes rape then on cruising areas, and all form of active discrimination is of course legal. AIDS counselling is unavailable, what usually translates on a death sentence.
You are comparing India intellectual product with that of a country 70 times smaller. That is in itself very telling. Why don't you compare it with Europe, a small 450 Million union? Or the US. Or South America. Go counting literature novel prices, design, technology innovation and plastic arts there. The truth is Bangalore is not San Francisco bay area, nor Milan, and for good reason.
India is not free country either. India is an ultra-conservative society where people are routinely coerced into arranged marriage, and gays are persecuted. Homosexuality is illegal, a crime punishable with live in prison. That's between 100 and 50 million oppressed gays, more repressed people than any other country in the word , other than China.
None of the expected advantages of democracy can be expected on a country that represses sexual minorities; the intellectual vanguards can not flourish without sexual liberation. Further more, sexual repression inevitably translates into AIDS pandemics. India HIV numbers are going up, fast and steady. Keep in mind that this is a society where you can't talk freely about a condom, let alone buy one on your local village store. Answering straightforward questions about your sex live to an AIDS prevention outfit or seeking help for AIDS may translate on ostracism, being cut off from your family, physical attacks, and/or live in prison, without access to medicines.
Other countries on the region (China, Thailand) actually respect sexual minorities, and are managing to reign over AIDS expansion much better. Yes, India may have managed to get an impressive engineering work force, but how good is that if your workforce is going to be decimated by AIDS on a few years time?
One of the two original creators of Superman was gay. The director of the movie is openly gay. And Superman is, well, a SUPER man. Who's so interested on men made of steel anyway more than gay men do?
The question is, why do YOU want to be superman.
Nonsense, we are getting there. According to most observers it may take just a few more Moore years to get it done. In fact, this company may already have a Proto-AI.
That is not the patent for PageRank.
PageRank had already been patented by Stanford University, just before Google was created, when it was a community effort.
This new patent is a patent over an improvement of PageRank, what they call now "LocalRank" and "NewRank". It is designed to stop competitor from developing pagerank-like technologies. Armed with that kind of patent, they can stop open-sorce Aspseek, Teoma and others from developing similar technologies.
What they are tryng to do is extend patents over citation ranking and peer-review, something that has been around since the creation of the first libraries. This is NOT good.
Basically, this means no more money from the suits to any citation-ranking related effor in any start-up, fearing litigation. It could mean also no more installations of open-source Aspseek (Google Appliance's competitor )in corporate environments, because of fear of litigation.
This is sad.
Nonsense. The same principles applys to bicycles, and they do cohabitate pretty well with "elderly people" in cities all around the world. Think Amsterdam or Rotterdam, for example, where, by the way, Life expectancy is 78.5 years, higher than the US. So much for the "die within a year" nonsense.
Greedy politicians an old time lobbying from the motor industry are the most likely explanations, if you ask me.
>furnitureporn.com (you didn't even copy the
>domain correctly!) than to any other "porn" site
>there.
Nonsense. Try link:www.furnitureporn.com. They have about 400 links,(most of them unrelated, by the way), far less than most well promoted adult web sites.
>And from whom did this "true" come?
Hey, true is always relative. Read the news, read the optimicers forums. People suing around, optimicers complaining, funny results for a number of comercial categories. I do have a opinion about it.
You said "If Google becomes too abusive, people will go elsewhere".No, they will not, it is a captive market: They will keep on using google, as the best alternative, no matter how much they manipulate the search results.
Just check for "porn". Do you really think Pornfurniture.com is the most relevant search item for porn? Following pagerank rules it should be way down to result number -3.000. But they do manipulate search results, to force companies to pay for advertisements.
That IS the TRUE about Google.
Google does 90% of the non-msn queries, and that's pretty close to controlling the flow of information on the Internet, something that certainly scare the hell out of many folks out there.
To see other companies truly trying to compete with Google is really very good, good news.
Yes it should. We are working on it, at www.sp.org (front end not ready, Im afraid). Its going to be basically a Aspsearch distribution using grid computing capabilitys.
I strongly disagree. Fantasy worlds, like hope and alternative thinking is not "Systematic untruth", is human genius at it best. Calling the pursuit of utopic worlds "ethically deviant" is not only stupid, is dangerous. Yous post is the most concret piece of fascist thinking Ive seen in years.
Well, alcohol and tobacco advertising is illegal now in most democracies, including most of the EU, Internet biggest market, so I guess they are all right: they agree with the mayority of a 300+ million union, good enought for a One Person World View.
After reading the article, I must said that I think Brin is all right. Lets hope he have the streng to resist commercialization's dark side. They have showed signs of weakness recently, anly partially corrected now.
Thanks for your aswer. You see, humor is great, we all love it, but persistent, denigratory coments from a mayority about some very speciffic people is no humorous at all: it is call bullying, and it has very specific, undesirable consecuences.
I don't think many people here will consider bullying as a legitimate way of entertaiment.
It is a joke denigrating gays. You do have the right of posting denigratory comments insulting blacks, jewish people, gays, nerds, or whoever you chose to.
And we have the right to point it out, and tell you what we think of bigotry, and people like you. It is a same that someone using that kind of speech would get any support from others here.