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Honeymoon Over For Google?
scubacuda writes "Business Week has an article on some of the challenges Google faces as it gains popularity. For a while, things were looking good: unobtrusive ads, a hardware search appliance, and the fact that 'google' has become a verb (like xerox, kleenex, hoover, etc.). Now, Yahoo! has dropped the 'exclusive' part of its contract, Overture won a series of key contracts, Verity has announced a deal to purchase Inktomi's assets, and Y! announced it was buying Inktomi's web-search business. And other engines such as WiseNut, Teoma, and FAST now mimic Google's 'popularity placement technology.'"
Hey, Kleenex your grammar!
It still does not change the fact:
People love google
Everyone is now using it - as it is small - light - fast - easy - and good
People have irc scripts that use it - Embed it in their webpages
I for one hope that google lasts - I would even pay a small amount if it would help keep them going
They may start to see more channenges, but by and large people will still "google" things. People who always use google will as long as they remain a great search engine...if they start letting the results slip, then all bets are off.
How the hell do you 'kleenex' something?
I thought it was a noun..
The honeymoon may be over, but Google is still getting laid.
Want to know why? Press ALT-HOME to find out.
I actually click on Google's ads.
Searchs on google
Yahoo 86,500,000
Google 19,100,000
Altavista 5,480,000
Cruise TT
It rocks my butthole!
Um...that sounds painful!
1. Google has accurate, intelligent search lists.
2. Google does not pollute those lists with advertisements.
3. Google loads quickly and does not attempt to invasively control your machine with javascript or other methods.
If Google changes any one of these three things to make more money based on their popularity, then their popularity will wane and they will eventually make less money.
Note to Google: Don't kill the golden goose just yet.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
I'm so dependent on Google (professionally & personaly) that it's becoming scary. I don't know what I'd do if disaster struck (they folded, got bought by MS or something similar). As soon as someone comes close to the quality their searches I'll feel better.
Why was wisenut added to this list? Doesn't look like a stable site to me. I'm really sure they're gonna give google a run for their money :P
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It's better to burn out than to fade away
Google Rocks! Plain and simple
I spent the last 6 months explaining what Google is to users at my new job. No way in hell am I going to get them to switch to another site if Google still gets them what I need.
Go ahead, Google me
I don't see Google going away anytime soon. I've never heard of those other engines and do not have any interest in them.
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Hmmm... looks bad... VA should start shopping this jalopy around...
And other engines such as WiseNut, Teoma, and FAST now mimic Google's 'popularity placement technology.'"
Yeah but they don't have those leet google doodles for various holidays and events..
Trolling is a art,
Google has IMHO the best search-engine technology around. However, the time is coming for more intelligent engines--content based searching is around the corner, and I'm sure that development is being done at Google. I want to search for pictures by content (not by filename). I want a larger set of query commands (NEAR, etc). Kartoo has an intuitive (and addicting) interface, and the ties it generates are... cool.
I don't think google losing some contracts will mean very much. Anyone can piggy back off of them, and if they can make a better product, more power to them, but I think google is around to stay.
Any word on an IPO?
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
Is whatever happened to Alta Vista. Remember when they ruled the search engine universe?
:-(
I first heard of Google when I got a semi-hysterical letter from Assembler God Steve Gibson raving about it.
I didn't abandon AV until after their second edition of Personal Alta Vista insisted on using my browser (where the first edition used a little window) and engendered a whole bunch of 505 errors and became useless.
They HAD to add a layer of complexity...
So whatever DID happen to Alta Vista?
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
If you can't beat em, sue 'em?
With all the recent talk about Google becoming a search monopoly, we should welcome this. This will keep the pressure on Google to remain excellent.
Oh, and I know this sounds a lot like the comment I just made under the KHTML story.
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Surffast.com is just a meta search engine, the FAST that is meant here is at alltheweb.com.
Google uses (at the last count I've seen) over 50 different factors in deciding what ranking a website should get on a certain search term. Part of their monthly rankings dance is rebalancing the importance of these factors to try to maintain the integrity of the results. Searchking's earlier lawsuit was over the effects of one earlier dance. PageRank is only the most visible of the components deciding a page's score, due to it's ingeniousness and to it being the only quantitative data released about the evaluation process (because of the google toolbar).
Also, don't forget about google's wildly successful Pigeon rank system.
Google: 1, Google 2, Yahoo Yahoo: 1, Google 2, Yahoo Lycos: 1, Lycos 3, Google Altavista: 1, Altavista 2, Google Pretty amazing that Yahoo doesn't clock out on #1 on their own site...
- makes searches simple
- allows them to be complex if you like
- doesn't innundate you with spyware crap
As far as I'm concerned, the other search engines can do whatever they want, but until they provide a reasonable duplicate of the functionality provided by my precioussss Google toolbar, I'm not switchin'."I don't think I ain't" -Thompson's Corollary to Descartes
Competition between search engines spawned Google. Google did a better job, so it became more popular. If someone else can do a better job...that's progress. Google has a lead and name recognition. If they are smart and keep making good decisions they can stay ahead. Otherwise they will fall into the shadows as AltaVista did years ago.
Since when is that?
I'm going to Kleenex my nose?
Get your own free personal location tracker
for a while now.. My search results on google seem to return less and less accurate results to what I was actually searching for, compared to a year or two ago with similar searches on google.. Perhaps googles time has passed and its time for a NEW king of search engines anyhow??
There are tons of "races" like that on the Internet. Google gets to decide the winners. Yes, it is just silly fun, but the point is that the masses accept google as the definitive source.
--naked
Very popular slashdot journal for adul
From the article:
"Building a channel at the low end is miserable. You have to send people to trade shows where there's no carpet and extension chords are snaking across the floor," says Whit Andrews, an analyst with tech consultancy Gartner.
Gee, I'm glad Gartner has a handle on all this business stuff. No carpet... the horror!
Besides, everyone knows the E-flat diminished ninth is the most dangerous chord; you could lose a finger.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
There was a time when I couldn't imagine using a search tool other than gopher. Then there was a time when I could type 'altavista' more quickly than any other string of characters.
It is the nature of things.
All sweeping generalizations suck.
Yes, Google gives me great serch results is nice and lightweight etc etc, but most people will switch in a second if another engine emerges that provides better results. just as long as they dont mess up on the interface, people will quickly migrate.
Its not as if it is inconvenient to switch.
Google's "competitors" are not. Yahoo is now a portal for email and stock quotes. Overture makes money by charging businesses for position in the search results. This is a different approach, because Google's search listings are not compromised. Ads are clearly labeled. Google is wildly profitable too, although Overture breaks a little better than even, hence so much attention by the media. Google has little real "competition", rather "imitators".
Plus, on holidays they have cool little themes for their logo.
At it's worse "google vs. anything else" will become like "VHS vs. Beta" or "MP3 vs. OGG". My wife and grandma both know and love google -- and even if a better technology comes along -- I can guarentee you that google will still command there attention. It was at the right place at the right time providing the right service. For whatever reason (dumb luck, quality) many people have planted their roots in using google as THE search engine -- and most of those groups of people don't pull up their roots that easily.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
And which of these alternatives have something like google's cache?
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You moron, it is "Google googles You"!
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Google is the best and always will be, and for good reason
It took you six months to explain what google is?
I don't know if the problem is with you or your users, but there's definitely something wrong with that.
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Since George W. Bush has been in office.
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Why should this even make news? Sure, there are sites that will mimic Google because they're good. Google is not the only site out there of it's type. It's the users who will choose which one will work best for them. It's good to see some competition.
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IMHO, of course.
May the SOURCE be with you.
Those of us here in Canada have fairly recently been introduced to a delightful(not) little redirect feature which sends us to google.ca when we type Google.com. NOTE TO GOOGLE: If I wanted to go Google.ca I would type Google.ca. Get your f****** javascripting paws off my browser. Actually I'm not sure what the actual mechanism is but in a way I don't care. The fact that they are doing this dismays me enough to avoid them and try alltheweb or yahoo or even(dare I say) msn. They are still the best but the fact that they have me wanting to abandon ship does not bode well for them.
For great justice take off every sig.
...so I guess the honeymoon's still on! :)
I think one of the key things Google had going for it from the start was a funky, easy-to-say name. The marketing guys thought up a wonder there. Probably the only reason it has become "verbified" is because it's the only damn search engine that's easy to say. Remember when Alta Vista was the shiznit? Anyone ever try to say "i'm gonna altavistararaaadiddlyah some page"? It just doesn't work.
I got a sig so you would remember me.
I mean seriously. Googles very good. But it still is hard to find what you need sometimes. Often the best information doesn't come up when you search. I've been sent links with information from friends of sites I couldn't find when searching.
You can't expect one company to stay on top of anything. There are always companies that want what googles got and are gunning for them. Altavista was once king, as was voodoo and a host of other companies that have fallen from the top.
I say good. Hopefully all search sites get better. Maybe better ai will help? who knows.. These search engines are important to keep the web usefull.
and the fact that 'google' has become a verb (like xerox, kleenex, hoover, etc.).
Since when was Kleenex a verb? I have never kleenexed something in my life. Perhaps the submitter meant Windex? I've never heard Hoover used as a verb either.
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
A Google search on "HTTP" is a pretty decent metric of measuring the most popular Web sites, and Yahoo! is listed first.
So, perhaps Google is indeed the most well-known search engine, but Yahoo! is a more popular Web site overall. I would actually trust Google's assessment over any others.
Yes, but a search for "www" returns Google first.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,108786,0 0.asp
Wow.. so in other words.. um.. Google is competing with other companies in the search engine arena? Google is fast, has a clean interface, unobtrusive ads, a good signal to noise ratio, the ability to search anything from webpages to news to store catalogs, and a rabidly loyal following. I see no reason why it will be having a hard time anywhere in the near future.
slashdot!=valid HTML
If I ever meept you, I will GOOGLE your ASS!
Ive noticed a descrease in spam yet now they are advertising the same scams in google ad words. A shame, but at least I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THEM PAY THE PRICE!
I would pay, for a reasonable fee, perhaps 10 euros a month for a AD FREE google, because the adwords can get annoying.
Who would actually buy this crap?
The article is interesting, and it goes to show you how clueless you can be and still be authoritatively quoted in a major national publication.
Is this logical? 1) Create fast, relevant search engine, 2) users flock to your service becuase it is fast and relevent, 3) add discrete, marked relevant ads, 4) advertisers flock to it. Some bozo in the story wants to add ste 5: Add bigger ads, disguise them in search results. He sees step 6, advertisers flock to it, but misses step 7, customers abandon it, and step 8, advertisers leave in droves. Hmmm. Can anyone say "Altavista." The reporter writing this article should have called this out, because it is so clearly misguided. Better still is a comparison to Yahoo.
Well, let's see. Yahoo! starts out as a fast and lean service, everyone loves and uses it. They decide they need to add content. Then they decide to accept animated ads, flash-ads and pop-ups/ unders. Who loves it now? I use it less, myself.
If I'm Google, I see Yahoo!'s trajectory very clearly and vow not to fall into the same trap. The whole concept of adding ads becuase there will now be public investors is ludicrous. Everyone uses Google because it is fast, lean and relevant. The people in the article who discuss Google adding morer paid listings do not understand Google's appeal. Once the paid, undistinguished ads start, users will flock away in droves. Personally, I'm convinced that Google Inc. is too smart to let that happen.
Google does 90% of the non-msn queries, and that's pretty close to controlling the flow of information on the Internet, something that certainly scare the hell out of many folks out there.
To see other companies truly trying to compete with Google is really very good, good news.
...We need "Google" girls? They could have those neat t-shirts with the appropriate number of OOOOs...
Have you seen my stapler?
(posting as AC due to sensitivity of post)
Errr, what in God's name gave you the idea that Yahoo were dropping Google.
Quite the reverse is true, according to a friend of mine who just, oooh, happens to be a search engineer for Yahoo.
Yahoo are furthering integrating Google into their search systems, and are toning down their old hand-moderated systems. I assume this last part is in an attempt to cut staffing costs.
Yahoo have no plans to integrate another major search partner at present (except for ads). I know this because my friend would be one of the people implementing it, and we've talked about it, and he has specifically said it's not happening.
"Yahoo" is a word that occurs naturally in the english language, and also is the name of a search engine. "Google" and "Altavista" are made-up words to refer to search engines.
So, of course there's going to be more mentions of "yahoo" on the web because it has two contexts in which it can be used, and not all of them relate to the "search engine" turned "web portal" company. Only a yahoo like you would make such an apples-to-oranges comparison.
As soon as there is a better search service than Google, Google will have problems. However, to do that a company needs to be more clever than Google. I think that will be a hard job. A trivial example of the Google folk's cleverness is the "ticker symbol", "I feel lucky" trick. Go ahead try it on "IWOV" (I used to work there).
cuz yeah, once you ignore how damn good, clean and fast google is, and then if you ignore images.google news.google froogle.google and the big kahuna: groups.google ...
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/. only gets excited by the reactionary and the faux-prognostictors. that google has competition isn't news. saying that google is in trouble, and that's newsworthy is insulting to everyone who has a mental capacity (and memory) beyond a fruitfly.
then if we ignore all the featuers built into the googlebar (still shipping for free without bloatware, adware and spyware mind you)
and then if we ignore how tastefully google did the inevitable merge with advertising content. (no pop-ups, no huge flash ads in the middle of the results page : none of that crap)
and then if we forget the reasons that Yahoo, inktomi and teoma botched their first chances (selling rankings, intrusive ads, no other added value, no usenet searches)
yeah - i suppose if we ignore all of this data, we might think that google was in danger.
c'mon - even when they didn't have competition to speak of, in any arena, they were still innovating. but
// "Can't clowns and pirates just -try- to get along?"
Google: "One of these days Yahoo!, one of these days... bang, zoom, to the moon!"
Glog!
there are other search engines?
Google is innovating its socks off, with google news, image search, Google groups, and all the new stuff coming out of Google labs, like their catalogue shopping engine. I'm all for competition, but you'll have to be pretty amazing to make me give up my googling habit.
(Hey, it is a verb. I just noticed...)
And I'd like to add to that: they're clean and simple; an epitome of website design.
They're above all easy to use and the results are good. That's really the most important factor, period.
Plus they're innovative and usefull, especially in their field: google images, google news, google answers; those are things which fit so briliantly within a searchengines core business that it's no wonder google does them so well.
I think google will stick around for a while, especially looking at the direction, usefullness and insightfullness of their R&D.
That said: if they start sucking, they're out. But that's life.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
It's the pigeons, stupid![google.com]
google is the best i use it all the time and it loads fast as hell on my 28k connection its clean. id be lost without my google toolbar
Even if it can be disabled, I consider something that reports back every link I click to be spyware.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
- Absolutely the fastest search, period.
- Relevant results in ~99% of searches (in my experience). Consistently comes up with the most obscure stuff imaginable (and I've checked against other engines)
- Ads look like ads and they're not masqueraded as results (and yeah, everyone's copying that now, whoopi)
- Usenet archive. Heeelooooo!!!
- News meta crawler. Haven't looked at another "portal" since Google News went live.
- Privately held company. No Yahoo-style pressures for revenue.
- The Amazing Browser Toolbar. Also copied by everyone now.
- Excellent site design. Clean, uncluttered, just nice.
- The Zeitgeist (sp?)
- Cool company with a sense of humor.
Wake me up when everyone else (especially "wisenut", which I've never heard about before) gets there.They are friggin' ORACLE. I wouldn't trust my searches to anyone else.
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I think Hoover was a verb in the Great Depression.
Like:
Herbert Hoover: "Prosperity is just around the corner."
Bum: "Hey, Hoover this!"
Google inked a deal with Apple to be included in the Safari Browser - posts indicate that has been dowloaded 500,000 times!! I have read other deals about Google using hardware and software solutions at GM
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
How does one "querry an ASS"?
Does it involve a Perl script?
I like Google.ca, the canadian one.
No DMCA takedowns there.
And I am a US resident..
The law is a weapon of the government, not a protection for the likes of you. Surely you understand that.
is that what the roadrunner does to the coyote?
meeptmeept!
But none of the other engines have Google's PigeonRank technology. http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
The feature I find myself using more and more on Google is its ability to search years worth of newsgroup postings. You can find a wealth of information on there which helps me solve 75% of the problems I run into as a network technician. It's actually made me pretty lazy. How is it that Google obtained this database (I remember news on it years back) and is it possible for other search engines to tap into the database? If not, then Google has it made in my opinion...
At least it's a pure info-for-answer transaction. You give them the URL you're looking at, they give back the PageRank value for that URL... which is a pretty nifty piece of info if you ask me.
They also have the dream of privacy policies promising not to use the URLs you ask about for any other purpose, and letting you use the rest of the functionality of the toolbar if you don't want send the info it takes to use that feature.
How does one querry anything for that matter?
Google will have to stumble, or else someone will have to get A LOT better, for me to switch.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
I have yet to find anything that comes even close to being quite as comprehensive as Google. I try some of the well-known ones (Yahoo, Infoseek, Excite, Altavista, Hotbot, etc.) and, quite frankly, Google beats the crap out of them all.
Google was my first love, how can I ever purge memories of it from my mind? The others are wannabe's. They can't do what Google did for me. I shall never forget Google(tm).
void women (int money, time_t time);
I hate it when people act overly confident. I'd bet that most of the people on /. knew that google was an intentional mispelling of googol.
You look lame
alltheweb.com is just a front for the licensing business for Fastsearch. Yes, you too could become "alltheweb" (allthesite.com, etc)
http://www.fastsearch.com/products/
Except Hoover wasn't president during the great depression I don't beleive, but I think he helped bring it along however....
Lets give the old google honeymoon a run for it's money then. Can any slashdotter out there provide a search engine that yields (in your opinion) a more accurate result for a given phrase?
Aside from a few specialized search engines, I hav yet to see more accurate results than google, which is arguably why google's honeymoon is not quite over.
People keep asking why Altavista died ...
If I remember correctly, it went as follows:
Altavista was the top search engine among the cognoscenti. Then one day, someone found out that Altavista had been selling top search spots to the highest bidder. These spots weren't specially marked in any way -- they were being presented as plain old search results. People felt betrayed by their old standby and started using other search engines. Some time after that, Google appeared on the scene.
At least, that's how I remember it.
-monique
A noble spirit embiggens us all.
What you guys are trying to say is I shouldn't be using Ask Jeeves anymore? Hmmm...
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how could a company that used Dilbert as a mascot on their logo - ever have their business begin to slip?! :)
Seriously tho - I think Google has a good chance of sticking around just because they have such a large user base - which is mostly due to the fact that A LOT of people who search for "things" don't want to look at a big pile of crap like Alta Vista or Yahoo (although I like yahoo's other features). But the fact remains if I want to look for "fish" I don;t want to a site like Yahoo that has hella ads and flashing images and links ALL OVER THE PAGE. I just want to bring up a page that has a field where I type in what I want and THEN get a page full of ACCURATE links.
I think if google was going to start losing money they could very easily add on a "google-groups" feature and "google - email" and keep a significant amount of people.
Ave Molech Setting
taken from http://babel.altavista.com/
I type - "come watch the red German flying chickens eat a bowl of soup at the hangar canteen while the Italians talk of pasta and losing to korea in the world cup."
babelfish translates - "gekommene Bewachung die deutschen Hühner des roten Fliegens essen eine Schüssel Suppe an der Hangarkantine während das Italienergespräch von Teigwaren und von Verlieren nach Korea in der Weltschale."
babelfish retranslates as - "come guard the German chickens of red flying eat a dish soup at the hangar cafeteria during the Italian discussion of teigwaren and from losing to Korea in the world bowl."
Hoover - v. (Hoo-ver). To use ones mouth in a sucking fashion. Eg, She hoovered me righteously.
Google has recently issued a cease and desist letter to Gewgle.com. Seems like their humor has run dry as well, as they no longer understand 'humor' or the concept of 'parody'.
And other engines such as WiseNut, Teoma, and FAST now mimic Google's 'popularity placement technology.
Sounds like what Scubacuda is looking for is a software patent. If Google's process was patented, would you guys boycott them the way you do Amazon?
Google = innovators
Everyone else = followers
Google have a big bunch of super-smart PhD guys working on their new ideas. Everyone else is just (at one level or another) copying them.
The only thing that would make me switch from Google to a another engine is if the other engine is more innovative - it does noticeably better than Google. I think that's a way off.
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The portals have started to get fed up. Over the last three years, Google has stolen 40% of the search market directly at the expense of AOL, MSN, and Yahoo - says Jason Kellerman, CEO of search-technology company LookSmart.
Amen. Google is becomming too powerful.
Here is an interesting relationship chart that was created by Bruce Clay. It shows how google is the authority on searching the web. Big deal - we already know that google is an important search engine but think about google and their value to other companies. Google now sells products through froogle, sells advertising with ad words, and acts as a news portal. My guess is they will eventually be throwing their weight around in areas where they are not welcome and when that day comes they will be too big to stop. I like google but then again MSDos v3.11 was a nice OS for its time and look where microsoft is today.
A simple google and you would have discovered that his term as president was 1929-1933.
I really love google. I remember when AltaVista became a junky, bolated portal loaded with ads and cruft. Google was like a breath of fresh air--light, fast, and accurate.
.NET, 1.5" all stump google), date limits, etc.
The quibbles I have with Google are the lack of more advanced search features. This is a design choice to keep thinks fast.
Here's an idea: a paid subscription to Google (GooglePro?) to allow searches with pattern matching, term proximity, non-alpha characters (C#,
Keep the good and add more real features (more steak for more $, not the AltaVista disaster of artificial sizzle only).
Or, here's a quick link to a Google search of Slashdot Google coverage.
Religion is the opium of the people. Evolution is the opium of scientists.
Google really is the best search engine right now, when a better one comes along I will use it.
I have used all of them at some time or another and google is just the latest.
However I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon, I remember the others getting cluttered with banner ads and being tricked into listing porn for all results 1-1000.
Google has ads, but they are relevant to what I'm looking for, I actually used them today as I was doing price shopping on dedicated boxes.
Google is one of the few things on the Internet done right, as they grow they will become slack and I will find another engine, but for now they make the net a bit easier to deal with.
Google if you are listening, I don't like my results censored, that may be the start of the end.
This seems to me to be a non-issue. So it gives you an Australian version of Google. So what? I went to www.google.com.au, it looks the same as regular Google, by default it still searches the entire Internet.... The only thing that seems to be different is the *additional* option to search only Aussie sites. The ads looked the same too (and if you get ads for services you could actually purchase locally, what's the downside?). I don't get what the problem is. In fact, it's probably better because you wouldn't get DMCA removals and such.
Omnes arx vestrum sunt adiuncta nobis.
I can't disagree more. The "did you mean" only automatically redirects when your original search came up with no results.
So what if you want to tweak your original (unsuccessful) query because you figured out a possible way to improve it?
Now the "did you mean"-ised query is in the search box, and you have to go back to change the original query.
Not in the X-cam "home security"/"b00b5" pop-up league of annoyance, but you see my point....
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
You might also enjoy my browser-based searchpad (click on "Search Pad.") It's like all of those windows programs, but it's browser-based. That means it works on any holy OS :)
It all goes downhill from first post
It's become a verb like Kleenex and hoover? I've never used either of those as a verb. Xerox definitely is a company name that's become a verb though. Another computer related one is "Photoshop" it's now common place to hear people say "he photoshopped that picture" even occasionally in reference to the GIMP, Corel Draw, Jasc Paint Shop Pro or another similar picture editting program.
Everyone always forgets about this guy.
Wow!
Wait... what's the connection between google and goatse.cx?
hmmm... should I post this anonymously?
Looksmart is not looking that smart as it tries to port this thing to a Linux cluster. The NT version has had known scaling problems since the acquisition last summer. $9M got them a prototype, and they've been through two or three engineering directors since that time.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
"And other engines such as WiseNut, Teoma, and FAST now mimic Google's 'popularity placement technology.'"
That's nice. My family mimic normal people, but most people figure it out after not too long.
After reading the topic I went to Wisenut.com and searched for GUI RESEARCH, I was looking for an iteresting thread that appeared on past July here at Slashdot:2 36&mode=thread/)
GUI Research - Is it Still Being Done? (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/21/0046
Besides my interest on the subject I choosed to look for GUI RESEARCH, because I remember that I accidentally closed the thread I was reading at Slashdot.com, and having many webpages opened in my browser it took me some time to find the thread again. The first thing I tried is searching in Slashdot, failed, oddly I can't find the article with Slashdot's own search engine.
I didn't easily find it in the browser History, because I had visited lots of Slashdot topics and other sites. To my surprise Wisenut has given me the article URL in second place!!! And if I set English as the prefered language, the link comes out in first place.
Google.com shows me in place 92, a site that has a link to the thread, the thread itself doesn't appear in any of the 383,000 URLs that Google found, Wisenut.com found 144,913 documents and gave me right away the article that I was looking for. Wisenut.com also returned the site that links to the thread, in 9th place, as I said the thread itself came naturally first.
Just in case, I tried limiting the search in Google to results from the site Slashdot.org, but the searched thread didn't come out either. 238,087 more documents than Wisenut and Google can't find it, weird.
I'm not sure if this lame search demonstrates anything really relevant, and I'm going to keep on using Google.com as my prefered search engine, but I'm also going to keep an eye on Wisenut.com, wonderful results.
You know you want to be an internationally hated American, now dont you?
Nothing like competition, we already have enough monopolies. I still love Google
And don't you forget catalogs.google.com - although it is in the Beta stages, amazing stuff.
a monopoly in the desktop operating system market: BOO!
a monopoly in the web search-engine market: YAY!
I've never heard Hoover used as a verb either.
Come to Vegas. I know plenty of girls who can run a demo for you for a small price.
There's no reason for them to go public, because they don't need more capital. Everything they could do with more money (like advertise) would cut their margins. They may need to find an exit strategy for their original investors, but if Kliener Perkins gets too pushy, they're successful enough that their top management could probably get bank financing to buy them out. And maybe Bush will end taxation on dividends, making profit, instead of growth, look more attractive.
Speaking of sak, I'm about to release the contents of my "sak" all over your face.
you want to know pain? ask Malda to show you the slashdot effect sometime.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
is there a way to p2p a search engine? I mean have the search server run in a distributed manner? Would this be too slow?
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
Right. Xerox, I get. Let's try the other two: I'm going to kleenex my nose then go hoover the rug. No, that doesn't work.
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
Or if need be can find one for me. I will always use google for searches first, unless they put adds such as above in my face.
So I decided to visit the redesigned altavista.com, and the results are almost just as bad.
Search for java and you get this nice list of "sponsored" results;
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Then you get to the "real" results;
AltaVista found 12,729,380 results About
Java - Commander downloads Download.com
Get other Tools & Utilities downloads.
News: java AltaVista News
Chick-fil-A Standardizes on Together ControlCenter for Java Development dBusinessNews.com
Oplayo streams video over Java phones Silicon.com
The Source for Java(TM) Technology
Advanced Search. Technologies. - J2EE. - J2SE. - J2ME. - XML. - Other. Downloads. - Early Access. Documentation. - APIs. - Tutorials. - Code Samples. - See All. Spotlight. - Industry News. - Web...
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More pages from java.sun.com
With that last one being the java.sun.com site.
In google, that site is your first result.
Incredible, THEY STILL DON'T GET IT!
- sigs are for wimps.
While Google's technology is excellent, their domination is due to their credibility. The competition undermines itself again and again by considering pay-for-placement of search results, but Google has understood from the start that they are only as good as their perceived credibility.
/. readers should remember:
After all, who would willingly choose to use a library where the librarians have a clear economic or political slant when a free alternative exists without the slant.
While Google has proven that they can build good technology, they quickly grasped a lesson that we
The are sometimes policy solutions to technology problems. There are never technology solutions to policy problems.
Google first keeps ahead of the policy dilemmas (ensuring credibility, complying with various regulations, etc.) and then, second, builds excellent technology to support good policy.
Are you paying any attention to what you click?
When you download the google bar, you're taken to a page that explains quite clearly what PageRank is, how it works, and the privacy implications. Then you can click "give me the PageRank version" or "no, I'm scared. Give me one without".
The term "spyware" implies that you didn't know about it, and/or you didn't have a choice.
-- Bill "Houdini" Weiss
I remember hearing when I worked at NBCi.com that our #1 search term with our search engine was "yahoo". Besides the utter stupidity of searching for yahoo because they couldn't remember the URL, it was a bit of a slap in the face that people on NBCi.com were searching for Yahoo, since our goal was to be a better portal than Yahoo and they were considered to be our biggest competitor.
Ask people if advertising works, and they will say yes.
Ask people why they use the products they do, and they will list off a ream of answers that rarely include advertising as a reason.
Any quality product can be sold, only those with superior advertising and branding succeed. Google is successful because of advertising and branding.
Google is not a lesson in better technology, it is the internets ultimate lesson in advertising and branding.
google is the best because its run by engineers, not bean counters. For a long time they did not even have a marketing head. The engineers there think like you and me. What do I want? a fast and simple search engine. Its toolbar is the best I've seen. google news is also very popular, it has no ads and loads so so fast. google can afford a miss for 3 hits unlike yahoo or other public company. Google does'nt have investors sitting on its head to get a hit everytime they venture something new. Therefore they do not need to push out half cooked ideas out of the door. So it's better if Google remains private and provides us features all of us have come to love.
I would like to meet a girl with that ammount of appropriate OOOO's
That will be why ive never hard of WiseNut, Teoma, and FAST then. Google rocks.
All it would take is hiring a stupid CEO who would turn Google into a portal, or some future buzzword equivalent.
Google is cool because their management have understood what the users wanted, and provided it, in spite of whatever was the "common wisom" among managers at the time.
Anyone know where we can find this fantabulous search engine XWEBS (or XWEG) that won the Irish ESAT-BG award. It is supposed to boost a 56k modem 6x.
This just shows that the Capitalist model works. Altavista did well by outperforming previous search engines, but then got idle and tried to milk the market instead of improving the model. Google cam out of nowhere and knocked AV out by being in all ways better. If anybody beats Google, they can only do so by being better - which is great for us users. Whatever happens, we win. If someone outperforms Google - we win. If Google keeps ahead of the competition by providing a better service - we win.
/., but this focusses on the problem I have with them. M$ appears to want to be the *only* provider in the fields it operates in - OS, Office software and all the others it is stepping into. Apple, Sun want to be the biggest, but not the only, supplier in their fields. For the world at large (rather than the companies concerned), the latter is far more healthy.
Actually, I think the Google management (including techies) are pretty smart. I don't think they ever expeced to rule the world. If they can remain the top search engine, but not the only one, they will sitll be very profitable.
I know it is terribly predictable to bash Microsoft on
So a system in which Google has a number of hungry competitors on its heels is excellent for all of us. Particularly, if Google were to manipulate Pagerank for devious reasons (not saying thay do), you would have somewhere else to go.
Consciousness is an illusion caused by an excess of self consciousness.
Yeah! It is possible to build an excellent search engine with just one man's power. Check it out at www.gigablast.com.
Here you go
Personally, I think alltheweb may have a beat on Google in the next year or so. Huge index based on their own search product, some bells and whistles to boot, and rather lightweight.
Oops.
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Sorry, I'm only a 1336 h4x0r.
Google can rot. Everyone knows SEARCH KING is the best Search Engine available.
Can you find crooked moving companies on Google's front page? NO! Only on SEARCH KING.
How about horoscopes? NO! Only SEARCH KING will predict your future while you search!
Remember the name: it's SEARCH KING. It's not Mr. Search. That name again, SEARCH KING.
Get a Google appliance and set it loose on the web?
The company 'FAST' quoted in the article should NOT link to www.surffast.com. Obviously this is refering to the Norwegian company www.fastsearch.com who operates the supposed 'Google-killer'(obviously a bit magnamimous, yet still a good alternative) www.alltheweb.com .
These days, you aren't considered "competitive" unless you are engaging in anti-competitive behaviour (customer lock-in, standards pollution, collusion, etc).
Oh my. That's one for the quote book.
Lately democracy seems to be based on the skybox, the Happy Meal box, the X-box, and the idiot box.
...working for me. Teoma sucks donkey nards because no site will appear on Teoma that hasn't PAID to appear there. As long as Google continues to do what it does, (my web site continues to list acceptably and my searches return fruitful results) I will continue to Google happily.
The day Google starts charging for listing sites or giving preferred search results to web site owners who pay a fee, I will stop using Google so fast my web browser sustains micro-fractures from the G forces. If worse comes to worse, I'll write my own bloody web search engine.
They can advertise all they want. My system is pretty impervious to that crap.
Vortran out
Knowledge is like ignorance.. too much can be just as bad as not enough.
...just head to labs.google.com. Keyboard shortcuts look cool!
His name did become a prefix. As in "Hooverville" to describe a shanty town.
I believe his name also became an adjective. I'm pretty sure I remember there being a term "Hoover Recovery" to describe a continuing economic malaise. This bit of sacrasm would doubtless have been inspired by his continual insistence that recovery was right around the corner. Needless to say, that attitude didn't exactly endear the man to the 1/3rd of the US workforce that was unemployed during the '32 election...
So you're using Windows because you're afraid all the browser plugins only available for Linux are potential security hazards? Right. Oh wait...
-- I was raised on the command line, bitch
They should not create mini googles that annoy the hell out of users (in Germany I got the German version of Google but I am used to the normal one. Pain in the a**).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You fly tomorroy to Germany, go to a cybercafe, try www.google.com and you are received by the German version of the site.
You speak squat of German.
It happened to me, it could happen to you.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
The poster to whom you replied is saying basically that Windows OSes are crap for enterprise services (which is mostly correct), you are saying that Windows is fine for desktop users(which is a matter of taste, but to each his own poison). You are agreeing with him!
What is the fscking point!
Oh yes, and:
Unix user since 1989 (AIX,SunOS,Solaris,Irix).
Linux user since 1993 (productionized it as desktop since 1995).
Windows user sometimes briefly. Forced.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I use groups.google.com and news.google.com all the time. I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a portal-type subscription if I could:
- Customize the news (Politics & tech section on the top. No sports or entertainment news please).
- Give priority to certain news/RSSfeeds (slashdot.org , indymedia.org)
- Keep a list of subscribed newsgroups, as in a newsreader
I think that Google should continue to provide access to the raw information, but I want more ways to get the information that I need and filter out the crap.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
beefcake rides again #14
scene 6
INT. BEDROOM. NIGHT.
BEEFCAKE (OFFCAMERA): oh - that's good, that's so good
THE BIMBO: ah, oh
BEEFCAKE (OFFCAMERA): uh, uh
<B>note to self:</B> <I>post as html</I>
You have to check the archive for altavista.digital.com to get the original sites
Remember the $3.35 million domain name dispute from 1997 ?
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
Usenet has a lot of problems; Slashdot did look like a viable Usenet replacment once upon a time, but is getting to be less and less of one.
Seems to me more as though blogs as a class are the successor to Usenet. In my opinion, a few things about Usenet make it less than suitable nowadays -- the expectation of a competent admin at every site (sorry Joe Sixpack), the lack of cryptographic security measures (whee! forged cancels!), and the legal climate (spray copies of a DMCA takedown notice at every news node? What a mess!).
I also think the the moderation system should allow certain anonymous postings to be completely deleted.
Given that consignment to the -1 cellar keeps a post out of the way of everyone except those who explicitly choose to read at -1 (and should be expecting to find crapola there). The moderation system works reasonably well so long as it isn't abused in an organized fashion (inappropriate bitchslapping, karma trading, etc.)-- but then again, no system is immune to being "gamed".
...when you're writing a game...tweak the difficulty of "Easy" to something [your mother] can cope with. -- onion2k
Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this
big field of rye and all. Thousands of little kids, and nobody's around --
nobody big, I mean -- except me. And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy
cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go
over the cliff -- I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're
going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I'd do
all day. I'd just be the catcher in the rye. I know it; I know it's crazy,
but that's the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's crazy.
-- J.D. Salinger, "Catcher in the Rye"
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