I've found that with a little extra studying of the language, TIMTOWDI isn't such a big deal. If you know the language well, you know many ways to do something, as the motto says.
If you're programming perl and having a hard time reading some code because another programmer took an odd approach, you don't know the language well enough and shouldn't be working for Yahoo.
I've found that TIMTOWDI gives you ways to make Perl programs short. I have a short attention span, and I'll write programs and not only forget how I wrote them a month later, but forget that I even wrote it. The size of the code is very important when I need to do maintenance.
When most of my programs are less than one screen of code, it's damn easy to do maintenance on them.
The presentation indicates over 3M lines of Perl. I'd imagine their move to PHP is nearly total thus eliminating Perl as a major tool.
When major companies like Yahoo are involved with Perl then they help the overall Perl effort - their vested interest in it drives them to make it better by participating in the development community. Now they'll be helping PHP, not Perl.
And I mean that I'm glad that, when choosing which new system to use, where MS is an option, they chose not to go that route.
I'm glad Yahoo is moving to OSS and recognizes the dangers of proprietary software.
I'm a Perl guy, and it was very interesting to note that:
1. Perl beat PHP in all of their performance tests 2. They listed TMTOWDI as a "con" yet, 3. One of the requirements was a language that didn't require a CS degree to use. TMTOWDI helps that, I've noticed.
I'm saddened that Perl has lost a major cheerleader but at least it isn't MS technology.
Even so, I can actually see how PHP is more appropriate. For a site with lots of content, with code mixed in, PHP's "code in the page" model is more ideal. I've had to reinvent something similar in Perl many times, appropriate for whatever I'm working on at the time (I don't like Mason, I prefer my own solution.)
I can see how a solution such as mine - where I prepare an output hash of data then show a webpage by opening and printing the file, using s/// to insert my hash contents with a search/replace method, isn't exactly ideal for Yahoo's high-content needs.
While PerlScript somewhat solves this problem, I remember it being buggy and certainly not as mature as PHP in that regard.
I can't say that I think this is a mistake on Yahoo's part - more like, I think if they wanted to, they could solve Perl's shortcomings and reap the benefits that Perl has over PHP. I guess they're just not interested.
The presentation was a little vague, wish I knew more about the details of their decision.
You know, you don't have to be developers ALL the time. Some of the time, you could try to act like normal people. I know it's hard, I'm one too, but really - resist the urge to be totally literal and precise 100% of your waking hours, and you might find you get laid more.
You're right, and I probably should have said "convert him" instead of "shut him up". Usually the Linux folks are the ones that need shutting up.
I actually use Windows 90% of my day, and Linux 10% as I'm still learning, but I'm working hard to convert.
An even better phrase than "shut him up" would be "to get your point across about the evils of proprietary software, Microsoft, and why OSS is a direction we should all be heading."
If you're not trying to open Windows users' minds to this sort of thing, you're not helping.
RMS's head must be exploding. "Whip hand! Whip hand right there!!!"
"By posting Your Stuff, You grant to Microsoft, under all of Your intellectual property and proprietary rights the following worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up rights: (1) to make, use, copy, modify and create derivative works of Your Stuff; (2) to publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease, and lend copies of Your Stuff (and derivative works thereof); (3) to sublicense to third parties, including the right to sublicense to further third parties; and (ii) You agree You won't commence any legal action against Microsoft or any Participant or Visitor for exercising any of these rights."
If you were stranded on an island with an MS user, what would be the one thing ever published anywhere, ever, that you would wish you had with you to shut him up? Yeah, that.
I had a Geforce2 GTS 64mb fan quit on me, and I didn't even know it for a long time. Funny, I ran the card for over a year without the fan, with no problems. Of course, I didn't overclock it.
True. I did HTML in the early 90s. Now I don't, I use WYSIWYG editors and site management tools - Web-Dev-In-A-Box 1.0. But, am I still trying to make money doing HTML 10 years later?
If I were trying to do that, I'd be living under a bridge.
These boxed apps that do all the work previously done by hand simply enable engineers to move onward to more advanced tools and advance technology as a whole.
These boxed products will only be "all we need" when the complete set of specifications for all the needs of all the clients of all the software and computer work in the world is no longer changing and evolving. That will never happen.
I used the built in Mandrake 8.2 drakdisk or whatever to resize my 40gb FAT32 WinXP partition to 30gb. I then alloted the remaining 10 to MDK8.2.
Without any further cajoling, it set up LILO with dual boot between XP and MDK8.2. XP never knew what hit it, and still doesn't.
I also have complete confidence that I can repeat this with 9.0, wiping out my 8.2 distro partition and letting 9 use it all, reinstalling LILO along with it and continue dual booting.
I have tons of critical data on my XP volume that isn't backed up. Don't plan to back it up either. I have total confidence based on my 8.2 install experience and my general experience with 8.2 as a whole product. It is outstanding.
These are great days we're livin bros. We're jolly green giants, walkin the earth, with guns. These (other distros) we've killed here today.. were the finest (distros) we'll ever know. When I (get MDK9 installed), I'm gonna miss not having any (distro) around who's worth (installing)!
I love Full Metal Jacket. I love Mandrake. This is one of the happiest days of my life.
I hope the install goes well. Hell, I just hope I can get the iso's downloaded and burned here at work before I go home!
Like Virtual Memory. I don't need a very big swap file, having 768mb of RAM, but wouldn't it be cool to use the unused portion of 128mb as your swap file? When doing apps that don't use much VRAM but gobble lots of DDRAM, an extra 128mb would be cool.
How about a ram disk? I wonder if anyone has written utilities to leverage this extra RAM for such applications. I wonder a lot of things. Like, did I leave the iron on?
What we need are UNIQUE STORYLINES and INTERESTING CHARACTERS, not the other way around.
Most characters are either a serious cliche knockoff (Max Payne) or are unique but completely uninteresting and lack personality.
Most storylines are cliche "save the world" rehashing to the extreme. They do need to be interesting, but the first step to making it interesting is to actually try to make it unique in the first place.
And most gamers care more about SOLID and NOT ANNOYING gameplay and control. Counter-Strike's graphics are seriously outdated, it has templated characters, and no storyline, and it has no storyline, but it's popular because of it's rock-solid gameplay.
Is it just me, or is this site absolutlely freaking out Mozilla 1.1 on Win2K, but it's OK in MSIE? IE opens the flash right away, Mozilla starts some crazy loop.
Looks like this command:
Is making it go berserk refreshing as fast as it can. Am I the first/only to see this?
I would like to retract my post after discovering that this exploit includes the ability to see what's in the location bar, which is a more serious bug. I read several pages about it before seeing that part of it.
I'd like to clarify. I said "true" when I didn't mean that.
It does NOT assume anything, especially hoping that my friends won't email anyone.
Regardless of whether I change my address or not, I could publish my address openly on a site right now with no fear, and let the robots harvest it and end up on every list in the world. I don't care, I'm not going to see any of that anyway. My friends can forward me to anyone they want.
I've seen friends of mine take part in a favorite pasttime: Signing up enemies' email addresss into spam lists and porn lists by hand. They could even do that to me, and it wouldn't matter one bit.
Slashdot Mirror
I agree totally.
I've found that with a little extra studying of the language, TIMTOWDI isn't such a big deal. If you know the language well, you know many ways to do something, as the motto says.
If you're programming perl and having a hard time reading some code because another programmer took an odd approach, you don't know the language well enough and shouldn't be working for Yahoo.
I've found that TIMTOWDI gives you ways to make Perl programs short. I have a short attention span, and I'll write programs and not only forget how I wrote them a month later, but forget that I even wrote it. The size of the code is very important when I need to do maintenance.
When most of my programs are less than one screen of code, it's damn easy to do maintenance on them.
The presentation indicates over 3M lines of Perl. I'd imagine their move to PHP is nearly total thus eliminating Perl as a major tool.
When major companies like Yahoo are involved with Perl then they help the overall Perl effort - their vested interest in it drives them to make it better by participating in the development community. Now they'll be helping PHP, not Perl.
And I mean that I'm glad that, when choosing which new system to use, where MS is an option, they chose not to go that route.
I'm glad Yahoo is moving to OSS and recognizes the dangers of proprietary software.
I'm a Perl guy, and it was very interesting to note that:
1. Perl beat PHP in all of their performance tests
2. They listed TMTOWDI as a "con" yet,
3. One of the requirements was a language that didn't require a CS degree to use. TMTOWDI helps that, I've noticed.
I'm saddened that Perl has lost a major cheerleader but at least it isn't MS technology.
Even so, I can actually see how PHP is more appropriate. For a site with lots of content, with code mixed in, PHP's "code in the page" model is more ideal. I've had to reinvent something similar in Perl many times, appropriate for whatever I'm working on at the time (I don't like Mason, I prefer my own solution.)
I can see how a solution such as mine - where I prepare an output hash of data then show a webpage by opening and printing the file, using s/// to insert my hash contents with a search/replace method, isn't exactly ideal for Yahoo's high-content needs.
While PerlScript somewhat solves this problem, I remember it being buggy and certainly not as mature as PHP in that regard.
I can't say that I think this is a mistake on Yahoo's part - more like, I think if they wanted to, they could solve Perl's shortcomings and reap the benefits that Perl has over PHP. I guess they're just not interested.
The presentation was a little vague, wish I knew more about the details of their decision.
Wow, anal! It was a joke, relax.
You know, you don't have to be developers ALL the time. Some of the time, you could try to act like normal people. I know it's hard, I'm one too, but really - resist the urge to be totally literal and precise 100% of your waking hours, and you might find you get laid more.
Due to pressure from the FSF, since Linux was used as part of the car production process, GM will be forced to release the 2003 GNU/Taurus.
Anyone know the terms of release (if any) of such information, as noted by the courts?
You're right, and I probably should have said "convert him" instead of "shut him up". Usually the Linux folks are the ones that need shutting up.
I actually use Windows 90% of my day, and Linux 10% as I'm still learning, but I'm working hard to convert.
An even better phrase than "shut him up" would be "to get your point across about the evils of proprietary software, Microsoft, and why OSS is a direction we should all be heading."
If you're not trying to open Windows users' minds to this sort of thing, you're not helping.
RMS's head must be exploding. "Whip hand! Whip hand right there!!!"
"By posting Your Stuff, You grant to Microsoft, under all of Your intellectual property and proprietary rights the following worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up rights: (1) to make, use, copy, modify and create derivative works of Your Stuff; (2) to publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease, and lend copies of Your Stuff (and derivative works thereof); (3) to sublicense to third parties, including the right to sublicense to further third parties; and (ii) You agree You won't commence any legal action against Microsoft or any Participant or Visitor for exercising any of these rights."
If you were stranded on an island with an MS user, what would be the one thing ever published anywhere, ever, that you would wish you had with you to shut him up? Yeah, that.
vpn + firewall = screw certs
if you're relying on SSL certs for "security" it sounds like your systems are open. veddy bad man!
I had a Geforce2 GTS 64mb fan quit on me, and I didn't even know it for a long time. Funny, I ran the card for over a year without the fan, with no problems. Of course, I didn't overclock it.
Homer said it best:
"Less yappin more zappin!"
Oh, and watch out for those "add-ons"!
I guess ergonomics aren't important. Dig the straight keyboard. I guess in the future medical science will obsolete the need for ergo inputs.
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/Mandrake/is o/
I found this in the FTP "too many users" response message. I figured since it wasn't clickable, or copy/pastable, that nobody would go there.
I was right and got a great download speed, even while every mirror on the MDK site was totally booked.
Of course, I'm only posting it now that I have my ISOs and no longer have a need for it. So, slashdot away!
True. I did HTML in the early 90s. Now I don't, I use WYSIWYG editors and site management tools - Web-Dev-In-A-Box 1.0. But, am I still trying to make money doing HTML 10 years later?
If I were trying to do that, I'd be living under a bridge.
These boxed apps that do all the work previously done by hand simply enable engineers to move onward to more advanced tools and advance technology as a whole.
These boxed products will only be "all we need" when the complete set of specifications for all the needs of all the clients of all the software and computer work in the world is no longer changing and evolving. That will never happen.
Doesn't an engineer more qualified than the users of Engineer-in-a-box 2.0 need to WRITE Engineer-in-a-box 2.0?
And do we still live in a capitalist nation where other real engineers will attempt to create Developer-in-a-can 2.0 to compete?
Did many developer tools obsolete many engineering fields, while closing that engineer off from moving on to other types of engineering?
These tools enable us to engineer, you will always need skills to make a computer do it's magic.
Computers will stop needing engineers and math skills when they are no longer operate on math-based principals.
No no no...
I used the built in Mandrake 8.2 drakdisk or whatever to resize my 40gb FAT32 WinXP partition to 30gb. I then alloted the remaining 10 to MDK8.2.
Without any further cajoling, it set up LILO with dual boot between XP and MDK8.2. XP never knew what hit it, and still doesn't.
I also have complete confidence that I can repeat this with 9.0, wiping out my 8.2 distro partition and letting 9 use it all, reinstalling LILO along with it and continue dual booting.
I have tons of critical data on my XP volume that isn't backed up. Don't plan to back it up either. I have total confidence based on my 8.2 install experience and my general experience with 8.2 as a whole product. It is outstanding.
Don't think, just do it.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3
That's the only download location mentioned by distrowatch. I'd love a mirror. Good luck everyone
These are great days we're livin bros. We're jolly green giants, walkin the earth, with guns. These (other distros) we've killed here today.. were the finest (distros) we'll ever know. When I (get MDK9 installed), I'm gonna miss not having any (distro) around who's worth (installing)!
I love Full Metal Jacket. I love Mandrake. This is one of the happiest days of my life.
I hope the install goes well. Hell, I just hope I can get the iso's downloaded and burned here at work before I go home!
I think they prefer that you use Mandrake Update. I believe it's similar. Hope that answers your question. I've used it in 8.2 and it's very good.
Like Virtual Memory. I don't need a very big swap file, having 768mb of RAM, but wouldn't it be cool to use the unused portion of 128mb as your swap file? When doing apps that don't use much VRAM but gobble lots of DDRAM, an extra 128mb would be cool.
How about a ram disk? I wonder if anyone has written utilities to leverage this extra RAM for such applications. I wonder a lot of things. Like, did I leave the iron on?
Interesting storyline and unique characters?
What we need are UNIQUE STORYLINES and INTERESTING CHARACTERS, not the other way around.
Most characters are either a serious cliche knockoff (Max Payne) or are unique but completely uninteresting and lack personality.
Most storylines are cliche "save the world" rehashing to the extreme. They do need to be interesting, but the first step to making it interesting is to actually try to make it unique in the first place.
And most gamers care more about SOLID and NOT ANNOYING gameplay and control. Counter-Strike's graphics are seriously outdated, it has templated characters, and no storyline, and it has no storyline, but it's popular because of it's rock-solid gameplay.
Rant over.
this command, I mean:
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content=";URL=">
Is it just me, or is this site absolutlely freaking out Mozilla 1.1 on Win2K, but it's OK in MSIE? IE opens the flash right away, Mozilla starts some crazy loop.
Looks like this command:
Is making it go berserk refreshing as fast as it can. Am I the first/only to see this?
I would like to retract my post after discovering that this exploit includes the ability to see what's in the location bar, which is a more serious bug. I read several pages about it before seeing that part of it.
I'd like to clarify. I said "true" when I didn't mean that.
It does NOT assume anything, especially hoping that my friends won't email anyone.
Regardless of whether I change my address or not, I could publish my address openly on a site right now with no fear, and let the robots harvest it and end up on every list in the world. I don't care, I'm not going to see any of that anyway. My friends can forward me to anyone they want.
I've seen friends of mine take part in a favorite pasttime: Signing up enemies' email addresss into spam lists and porn lists by hand. They could even do that to me, and it wouldn't matter one bit.