Mandrake 9.0 (Dolphin) Is Available [updated]

joestar writes "What else to say? I've tested the RCs and they were great... There are two very interesting links: the Press Release, and a very nice presentation. From the presentation: 'Affirming its leading position in the Linux desktop arena, Mandrake Linux 9.0 introduces many newly redesigned graphical desktops and configuration utilities. The famous "Mandrake touch" is evident throughout the many clean, attractive and friendly desktops to make everyday tasks easier for all users of a Mandrake system.' And apparently it's already LSB-1.2 certified!" Update: 09/25 23:57 GMT by T : Apropos new releases, an anonymous reader writes "Parts of Red Hat's next OS have been unofficially leaked, as news.com reports here. The official release date is scheduled for next Monday, 9/30/02." Update: 09/26 00:29 GMT by T : Gaël Duval points to less-swamped links to the press release and to the Presentation & Features page. Thanks, Gaël.

Comments

no thanks...

[edrugtrader]

i hear the red hat desktop is going to kick ass... i'll wait.

Re:no thanks...

[Anonymous Coward]

Lets just say this, RPMS SUCK!@ Any distro that uses RPM's for their primary or only packaging system sucks. RPM are evil!!! Look at gentoo, they use sources but with the ease of installation of a RPM but far superior dependency system and not to mention it is faster.

Re:no thanks...

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you say "Kick Ass" or "Lick Ass"? I am confused.

Re:no thanks...

[Anonymous Coward]

yeah, me too!
i'm a debian user, but i heard rh8.0 will kick ass, and i'll try it :)

Re:no thanks...

[(v)Jargon(v)]

I heard, you heard, its a god damn operating system!!!!!!!
see if you like it and use it. just remember its a god damn operating system!!!!!!!

Re:no thanks...

[Sciamachy]

I hear it's going to suck ass - Bernhard Rosenkraenzer has just quit RH because he reckons they're trying to make KDE crippleware in RH8.

Re:no thanks...

[edrugtrader]

-1 serious reply to sarcasm

FINALLY

[Sir Bard]

I've been waiting for this release for sooooooooooooooooo long, I love mandrake ;)

First Post, I think

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry I got excited, I cant wait for 9.0

Berlin Brown
bigbinc@hotmail.com

Re:First Post, I think

[Anonymous Coward]

Somebody faster beat you off. I think that is the english exprission?

But is it any faster?

[night_flyer]

not to troll, but is it?

Mandrake 8.2 (running KDE) is dog slow on my 333p2,128RAM and 16 meg video card. Windows 98 was much faster.

Re:But is it any faster?

[jonman_d]

Try using something like WindowMaker or Blackbox/Fluxbox. I'd expect KDE to lag like hell, with those specs.

Not to troll, but KDE is bloat. It's not intended for systems such as yours.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Sir Bard]

But it was less stable and secure, that's what you get for using Linux my friend.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

No that's right, Win98 is much faster than Mandrake/KDE. KDE is more like OSX or WinXP in terms of resource hoggage.

Oh and especially with your hardware, give Fluxbox a try :)

Re:But is it any faster?

[joib]

MDK 9 uses KDE 3, which is supposed to be slightly faster than KDE 2.2.2 which is used in MDK 8.2. Also it uses gcc 3.2, which also is supposed to produce faster code than older gcc versions. So probably it will be faster. Noticably faster? Go figure.. If you want a noticable improvement in speed, change to a lightweight wm instead of heavy desktop environments like kde or gnome.

Re:But is it any faster?

[(startx)]

kde 3.0.3 runs great under Gentoo on my p266, 64MB RAM laptop. Not to troll, but Mandrake is bloat. KDE works just fine.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Tellalian]

Actually, this may be somewhat trivial but I'd like to know if they've included some utility to *conveniently* adjust mouse speed. To date, Debian is the only one to implement such a utility that doesn't force you to search for some discrete x11 file everytime kudzu makes a tweak. It still alludes me as to why no other distros have done the same. It's just such a small annoyance made larger by its simplicity.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Coplan]

I'm not throwing darts. But when you make a statement like that (a rather bold one, mind you), you should use specifics. If nothing else, someone might have advice.

If by "slow", you mean file accessing and what-not, I'd be willing to bet that Windows 98 is far slower at file access than any linux distribution, even the crapiest. WinXP, NT or 2000? It's a close call, I'd have to see the data.

But if by "slow" you mean the FPS on your graphic applications, well then, you have a valid point. If you're fortunate enough to have an NVIDIA based video card, you'll want to jump on over to the NVIDIA website and check either the Linux Display Drivers or the IA64 Drivers, whichever applies.

Re:But is it any faster?

[geekd]

Mandrake/KDE has had this for a long time.

KDE Control Center -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Advanced -> Pointer Acceleration (nice slider)

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

windows 98 is a toy based on DOS (which was decent/simple little OS till they stuck win9x on top of it)

Re:But is it any faster?

[mickwd]

Well if you use KDE, try Control Center -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Advanced.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

DOH!!!

Re:But is it any faster?

[marick]

Also, Mandrake 8.2 ships with KDE 2.2.2, which is much slower than 3.0.3

IMHO, of course...

Re:But is it any faster?

[SCHecklerX]

Mandrake is snappy on my 64MB libretto (P233). The thing is, you just have to customize a bit. Remove all the cruft, and use a lighter window manager (I use windowmaker). I do this no matter what distro I use anyway. That's the whole point of linux...being able to run what you want, only what you want, and how you want to run it. Right?

Another thing I did was to remove many of the scripts in /etc/profile.d along with disabling medusa from running every time X starts. The scripts in profile.d by default run jobs that index all kinds of stuff that I really don't need indexed.

The only thing I haven't figured out is what causes modprobe to be called on the first console login/logoff. Not much of an issue, as I never really log off, but put the system into hibernation mode.

Here's my process list:

PID TTY TIME CMD
1 ? 00:00:07 init
2 ? 00:00:10 keventd
3 ? 00:00:06 kapmd
4 ? 00:00:01 ksoftirqd_CPU0
5 ? 00:01:22 kswapd
6 ? 00:00:24 bdflush
7 ? 00:01:08 kupdated
8 ? 00:00:00 mdrecoveryd
11 ? 00:00:00 kreiserfsd
64 ? 00:00:01 devfsd
516 ? 00:00:11 cardmgr
739 ? 00:00:05 syslogd
748 ? 00:00:01 klogd
798 ? 00:00:00 atd
873 ? 00:00:05 esd
973 ? 00:00:00 crond
998 ? 00:00:47 xfs
1052 tty1 00:00:00 login
1053 tty2 00:00:00 mingetty
1054 tty3 00:00:00 mingetty
1055 tty4 00:00:00 mingetty
1058 tty5 00:00:00 mingetty
1059 tty6 00:00:00 mingetty
1315 vc/1 00:00:00 bash
2082 ? 00:00:29 sshd
15441 ? 00:00:00 xinetd
25484 vc/1 00:00:00 startx
25496 vc/1 00:00:00 xinit
25497 ? 00:21:17 X
25503 vc/1 00:00:00 sh
25504 vc/1 00:00:40 wmaker
25507 vc/1 00:00:02 wmcms
25508 vc/1 00:00:00 wmCalClock
25509 vc/1 00:18:20 wmtop
25510 vc/1 00:00:09 wmifs
25511 vc/1 00:00:05 wmwave
25512 vc/1 00:00:01 wmtuxtime
27676 ? 00:00:00 dhcpcd
28096 vc/1 00:00:00 run-mozilla.sh
28101 vc/1 00:04:38 mozilla-bin
28103 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
28104 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
28105 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
28107 vc/1 00:00:01 mozilla-bin
28115 vc/1 00:00:00 mozilla-bin
28162 vc/1 00:00:00 aterm
28163 pts/0 00:00:00 bash
28184 pts/0 00:00:00 ps

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

And if you want to bother with the "x11" thing you refer to:

XF86Config-4

Under Mouse section, add:
"Resolution" "1600"

Re:But is it any faster?

[SCHecklerX]

What's wrong with 'xset m speed threshold?'

Re:But is it any faster?

[billstewart]

KDE may be bloated, but GNOME was also bloated, and for both of them, the default window manages were big, fancy, overdecorated before applying skins, etc., bloatware, or (put more nicely) taking maximum advantage of Moore's law in RAM and CPU speeds to provide a feature-rich environment. But as other posters have said, if you want a lean mean windowmanager, there are plenty of them to go install.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

By slow I mean clicking an icon and waiting 5 to 10 seconds with a frozen screen before a window pops up.

Re:But is it any faster?

[leviramsey]

Sawfish (the default wm in GNOME 1.x and some distros' GNOME 2.x) is actually a very light wm. GNOME is bloated because of the panel and Nautilus.

Re:But is it any faster?

[EvilAlien]

GNOME + Metacity is zippy as hell. Mandrake is zippy. I'd rather gnaw my own leg off than use KDE, but that is because I was attacked by a KDE as a child. I'm getting over it, the therapy is helping...

Re:But is it any faster?

[vadim_t]

Maybe it uses devfs? devfsd will try to modprobe everything you try to access in /dev. If you're feeling really curious, you could replace modprobe with a wrapper shell script and write the output of pstree to a file from it.

Re:But is it any faster?

[uchian]

Sorry, but as a KDE advocate I would still recommend Gnome over KDE on low specced machines.

The problem isn't inherantly KDE's fault; more GCC's current handling of C++, which is where most of the "bloat" (i.e. startup time) is taken up.

This was mentioned ages and ages ago, but as far as I am aware, still hasn't been resolved properly.

Re:But is it any faster?

[uchian]

Oops, thought you was saying Gnome was more bloated than KDE :-)

Remove the "Sorry, but" from the beginning of my post and it still stands :-)

Re:But is it any faster?

[jonman_d]

I _believe_ that is probably because Gentoo ownz. ;) Compiling from source definitly helps speed it up, while the precompiled binaries used in Mandrake don't have that advantage. (I say this because when I use the precompiled binaries for KDE (used, I should say, since this was at least 2 months ago), my system was slow as hell...I compiled from source, and I got an amazing improvement.)

Re:But is it any faster?

[leviramsey]

Maybe it uses devfs? devfsd will try to modprobe everything you try to access in /dev. If you're feeling really curious, you could replace modprobe with a wrapper shell script and write the output of pstree to a file from it.

Yeah, Mandrake uses devfs, which is something that more distros should definitely do. It's only been in the kernel for a couple of years.

As for supermount... well... I won't go there...

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

so are you saying a toy is better than Linux then?

Re:But is it any faster?

[__aahlyu4518]

If mdk 8.2 (running KDE) is dog slow on your 333p2 128RAM and 16 meg videocard,.... then your box is f*cked up. Have been running same config at home and it was running just fine. Or maybe you have a weird interpretation of dog slow... Or maybe I have :-) And you can't compare it to win98... they're completely different OS'es... If you'd like to compare it to a MS OS, then you should use XP as a comparison. mdk 8.2 is about 6 months old. If you use a mdk distro from 1998 (was there a mdk in '98 btw?... nevermind), you'll notice that it is much faster as 8.2 as well. But just FYI. Yes... 9.0 feels faster and more responsive (running KDE).

Re:But is it any faster?

[jregel]

128MB of memory is your problem. A 333Mhz chip will be fast enough, but I'm guessing you're swapping. Memory is cheap - get another 128MB and you should see much better performance.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

The others folks have said that KDE has this utility. GNOME has also had it for ages.

The GNOME one actually look pretty slick, haven't seen the KDE-one recently.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Yokaze]

Sorry, my experience is a different one.

I've used Gentoo (once 1.0, and recently 1.4) on my p233, 64Mb laptop. I did not find KDE 3.0.3 (more exactly Konqueror) very snappy.
Have a look at memory usage. At least in my case, with KDE, RAM was maxed out, and starting a program leaded to swapping.

>but Mandrake is bloat

How can Mandrake be bloat? Granted, it is equipped with more gimmicks, themes and the like than Gentoo and requires you to install MySQL and Postgresql, which is a waste of diskspace, but you don't have to use them.
Of course, this is a kind of "bloat", but not the kind, which is performance degrading.

Memory usage of KDE under Gentoo and Mandrake is roughly the same. Depending on the grade and type of optimisation the code-size may vary. But the data-size and heap-size should be the same.
And at least in my experience, that is where performance is lost on such a system.

Lastly, Mandrake already optimises for Pentiums, so when you gain a great deal of performance on your P266, you should wonder wether it's rather your perception than hard evidence.

BTW, switching to Fluxbox did give me a great deal of a snappier system. Under MDK and under Gentoo.

Re:But is it any faster?

[KeyserDK]

c++ shouldnt matter that much in a gcc 3.2 inviroment.

Such as redhat 8.0/mandrake 9.0

Re:But is it any faster?

[tempest303]

no, no, and no.

First, Sawfish is a heavy, nasty bitch of a WM. Metacity, the GNOME 2 WM is MUCH faster - this is all on my 400mhz K6-III at work - Metacity was *very noticably* faster and more responsive.

Second, Gnome's panel is no more bloated than KDE's, and for that matter, it's only using like 10MB on my system at work. Not trim, no, but for all the stuff its holding and all the stuff it does, I'd hardly call it "bloat".

Finally, Nautilus 2 is so NOT bloated. Have you even tried GNOME 2? Nautilus 2 is damn fast, even on moderate hardware.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

I think his question is valid.
When Win98 is not blue it is actually very fast. Also, for the sake of comparison, i'm forced to use a pentium166 mmx 64ram as a desktop once in a while. I installed (for testing purposes) Mandrake 8.2 on it and KDE was unbearable (dog slow sounds fast). On the same machine, Red Hat 7.2 makes KDE completely ok to work with, no problem at all.
At least on my (limited) experience Mandrake has a tendency to be very slow (compared to Red Hat and Source Mage which are the distros i use).

Re:But is it any faster?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Only" 10 MByte? You do realise that an Amiga managed a usable 32-bit, pre-emptive multitasking, GUI Operating System environment in 1/10th that space? Today's computer systems are horrendously inefficient.

Re:But is it any faster?

[tempest303]

Ha. Don't quote Amiga to me, son. I used to USE one. For 7 years. And you know what I think about Amiga OS and Amiga hardware after using Linux for 4 years?

AMIGA FUCKING SUCKED.

I'll take "inefficiency" anyday over featureless, unstable crap, thanks.

Re:But is it any faster?

[Cro Magnon]

Frankly, I don't recommend either one on low-end machines. Saying Gnome is faster than KDE is like saying a snail is faster than a slug. Xfce is much faster than either of the Big 2 desktops.

Re:But is it any faster?

[ShavenYak]

and requires you to install MySQL and Postgresql, which is a waste of diskspace

A basic install of Mandrake doesn't require either MySQL or Postgres. The catch is, if you install libqt3-devel (needed to build KDE stuff, obviously) there's a dependency on postresql-devel and libmysql10-devel. Which means that if you check 'Development' in the install, you're gonna get both DBMSs.

Still, your point holds true - it wastes disk space, but as long as you don't run them, it shouldn't make your system slow.

Re:But is it any faster?

[ShavenYak]

Saying Gnome is faster than KDE is like saying a snail is faster than a slug.

Shouldn't a slug be faster since it doesn't have to tote a shell around? Oh, I get it. You're getting a quick jab in on Gnome while you're pointing out the silliness of comparing it to KDE on low-end machines. Clever, if that was your intent.

Re:But is it any faster?

[tomhudson]

You could always forego X and have 12 consoles

90% of what you want to do can be handled by these commands:

1. mc
2. lynx
3. ls
4. mv
5. cp
6. cat
7. vi
8. man
9. telnet
10. ftp

Even a 386 will run fast in this config, and you'll learn something

Re:But is it any faster?

[Isle]

Noticably faster? Go figure

Actually gcc-3.2 can do optimized linking and with the new binutils prelinking. This means that start-up times for C++ programs have bin cut down to 10% of old upstart times.

So unless they used to old unstable prelinking hacks in MDK 8.2 MDK 9 is going to feel a lot more responsive

Re:But is it any faster?

[Tellalian]

Christ on a cracker people! Speed != Acceleration!!!

Yousee, speed = (distance traveled / time) whereas acceleration = (speed changed / time). ...Not a troll, but this is a fairly simple principle that Gnome and KDE developers don't seem to be able to grasp.

I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Karma Sink]

Since I'm running low on CD-Rs, and I wanted to install Mandrake tonight, can anyone tell me what changes there have been between rc3 and the final release?

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[dunkelfalke]

don't know about changes, but why don't you just use cd-rws?

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Since I'm running low on CD-Rs, and I wanted to install Mandrake tonight, can anyone tell me what changes there have been between rc3 and the final release?

If you sync to Mandrake Cooker tonight, you'll have 9.0. To do this, add a Mandrake Cooker mirror (there are many to choose from) as a urpmi source and do a urpmi --auto-select from a shell.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Aanallein]

700MB rewritables aren't exactly common yet, though due to Mandrake they have become so for me...

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Karma Sink]

Thanks! You're still wrong about the Rams this Sunday, though. Heh.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[rnd()]

Sort of a basic question, but how does one "sync"? Can this be done using the Mandrakeupdate tool?

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Anonymous Coward]

No changes, RC3 is 9.0 final -- renamed

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Mandrake Update is designed for deployment of security updates after release.

These instructions are for the commandline... I've not used the new GUI front-ends to urpmi.

1) Find a mirror that has Cooker... many mandrake mirrors do.. if your mirror has a directory named "mandrake-devel", you're in business.

2) Find where that mirror keeps its RPMs... in most cases it will be in path-to/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS. Also find where the file "base/hdlist.cz" is, relative to the RPMS directory. In most cases, this will be ../base/hdlist.cz

As root, issue this command (assuming that your mirror is an ftp mirror):

# urpmi.addmedia Cooker ftp://$PATH_TO_RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz

At this point, you can auto-install any packages which have changed by issuing:

# urpmi --media Cooker --auto-select

You can also use rpmdrake to do the upgrade (rpmdrake is "Configure | Packaging | Install Software" in the Mandrake menu system).

Please note that, due to some changes in package names and improvements made to urpmi between 8.2 and 9.0 betas, it is questionable whether Mandrake 8.2 can be upgraded to 9.0 in this manner.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[packeteer]

Ok p[ersonally i use mandrake a lot and rc2 has been fun to plauy with so i waited for 9.0 before i dled again. But i have one question. Can you explain cooker to me. I know what makes it the sme as the rest but how is it different? I find some of the info on cooker to be obscure so can you please explain it or link to a good beginner explanation of cooker?
-thanks

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been looking for an easy way to add and then reference that media source for ages. You are the MAN!

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[rnd()]

THANKS!! That is very useful info!

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[elliott666]

Here's how to update to the latest cooker graphically.

first open up the 'mandrake control center' (under the 'configuration' menu)

click on 'software management' on the left

click on 'software sources manager'

click on the 'add...' button

for the 'type of source', choose 'FTP server'

type in a name (like cooker)

for the URL, you can point it to
'ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Ma nd rake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS'

for the 'Relative path to synthesis/hdlist' enter
'../base/hdlist.cz'

click Ok and wait a minute while it downloads the hdlist

click on 'save and quit'

now once you're back in the control center, click on 'Install Software'

Next to All packages there's a scroll box, choose 'by update availability'

expand the upgradable branch and select the packages you want to update, or click on the checkbox next to upgradable to select them all. once you've selected what you want click on install and wait until it's done.

quit out of the software packages installation (which should read software package installation, but try arguing that one on the cooker list and see how far it gets you!)

that should be it.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[packeteer]

Well here is the distro watch page on the diff between all mandrake (no rc sorry). So if you are thinking of going from 8.x to 9.0 here is the info.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Can you explain cooker to me. I know what makes it the sme as the rest but how is it different? I find some of the info on cooker to be obscure so can you please explain it or link to a good beginner explanation of cooker?

Basically Cooker is Mandrake's development/testing branch, somewhat like Debian Sarge (or Woody before Woody went stable). When a Mandrake developer finishes packaging something, they upload it to Mandrake's internal cooker mirror and then it propagates through the publically accessible mirrors. For this reason, the packages in Cooker change constantly, though there will be the occasional burst (such as when gcc was upgraded to 3.1 and then to 3.2 or when perl was upgraded to 5.8 and then to a thread-enabled perl) when a lot of packages get upgraded.

When Mandrake makes a release (beta or final), they basically just take a snapshot of what Cooker is on a given day (generally a few days before the release is announced), do a bit more testing on that frozen Cooker and then declare it to be a stable release.

For the few weeks before a final release, Mandrake will freeze Cooker, which essentially means that only bugfixes will be accepted.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Minor error in the above post...

# urpmi.addmedia Cooker ftp://$PATH_TO_RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz

Before executing this, you should make sure that urpmi's package db is sane (adding media should do this, but it doesn't always do it properly).

# urpmi.update Cooker

Also, after syncing to Cooker to bootstrap your way into 9.0, you have a choice: you can either run Cooker full time after this (Cooker is fairly stable... things aren't constantly breaking) or you can choose to essentially treat it as a 9.0. If you choose the former, you don't have to do anything. If you choose the latter, you should remove Cooker as a source for packages (otherwise security updates could get hairy). To do this, just issue the following at a shell:

# urpmi.removemedia Cooker

Also, I can't stress this enough, but this trick will only work until Cooker development starts up again and new packages get uploaded. Also, if you downloaded RC3, there's probably no need to download 9.0 final... the only changes seem to be in the installer; no packages have changed.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[rnd()]

fantastic! thanks!

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Jesus Christ... I think my brain is fried...

Minor error in the above correction:

You should run urpmi.update after running urpmi.addmedia

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Anonymous Coward]

My cd-rws dont hold as much data. The ISOs dont fit.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[uchian]

Please note that, due to some changes in package names and improvements made to urpmi between 8.2 and 9.0 betas, it is questionable whether Mandrake 8.2 can be upgraded to 9.0 in this manner.

The most notable change is from using GCC 2.9x to using GCC 3.2, which for C++ programs are completely binary incompatable.

If you are doing a urpmi.updae/urpmi --autoselect, be prepared for perhaps > gig of "updates" to your system.

On the plus side, as somebody who ahs followed cooker, I don't believe that you will have any significant problems updating other than the aformentioned size of the update.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[hansroy]

That should be if you installed RC3, there's no need to download 9.0 final. [g] It seems a lot of us laptop users had problems getting the previous installers to work properly.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[hansroy]

Thanks. I had been wondering how to do that for awhile. Couldn't find it in any docs

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[hansroy]

Thank you.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[Anonymous Coward]

It depends *which* RC3 you downloaded. There were two, the second of which was identical to the release. If your ISOs are of size

728334336, 733544448 and 478511104 then what you have there is the actual release.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[ShavenYak]

Actually, you get the current hdlist when you run urpmi.addmedia, so you shouldn't have to run urpmi.update after it.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[packeteer]

Thanks for the info, but i have one more question. Does this make cooker at least semi-stable? Like i know its probably not totally tested to be bug free but is at least not hacked apps and drivers?

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[leviramsey]

Thanks for the info, but i have one more question. Does this make cooker at least semi-stable? Like i know its probably not totally tested to be bug free but is at least not hacked apps and drivers?

Cooker is quite stable... in the past six months, I can think of only one occasion where I hosed anything important (an issue with X Font Server). In that case, the Cooker mailing list was able to provide a workaround (commenting out a line in XF86Config-4) before fixed packages made it my way.

Would I use it on a workstation? Yeah, I do. Would I use it on a mission-critical server? No way.

If you're going to run Cooker, at least subscribe to the Mandrake changelog list, so you know what's been uploaded.

For the most part, Cooker does not have alpha-level software (as tagged by the upstream maintainers). We run a stable kernel and all that goodness (some apps do use patches from CVS).

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[packeteer]

This sounds like something i would like to be a part of. I appreciate you helping me and i assume becuase you use "we" when talking about cooker you are involved. Your going on my friends list and i think ill try it out on some of my workstatons boxes. Thanks a lot.

Re:I just downloaded and burned 9.0rc3...

[AdamWill]

Levi - there were two RC3's, remember? The first release of RC3 came out, um, the 17th or something, and had several bugs, remember the really dumb initscripts fuckup which broke USB for people with separate /usr partition? A few days later, an "updated" RC3 got uploaded - same filenames, but different images and a later file date. This is probably the release you're thinking of, which does indeed seem to be almost identical to the final.

Linux Standars Base

[ivanandre]

Apparently?

Ive read in Mandrakes site that the Pro version (will be released in October) just today 25th September has been certified LSB.
Anybody knows if this certification applies to download edition too?

Re:Linux Standars Base

[Dave_bsr]

I imagine it is certifiable, but they didn't go to the trouble to do so because it's not anything anyone is going to pay for. The two are virtually identical, +/- a few non-free packages - the core is essentially the same, so download follows standard. It just wasn't certified because that takes time and it's a free version.

Re:Linux Standars Base

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.opengroup.org/lsb/cert/cert_prodlist.tp l

Proper name

[The Z Master]

That should be Mandrake GNU/Linux 9.

Re:Proper name

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually it should be GNU/Dolphin

Re:Proper name

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it should be GNU/Apache/XFree86/KDE/WindowMaker/Linux. Come on, credit where credit is due!

Re:Proper name

[Anonymous Coward]

GNU/Apache/XFree86/KDE/WindowMaker/Microsoft/Linux

Re:Proper name

[sgtron]

It's ok to refer to distributions by whatever the distributors call them, "Mandrake Linux", for example. The GNU/Linux thing only refers to the operating system when refered to in the abstract. That is, Linux is the kernel, and GNU is what is combined to make the operating system, GNU/Linux.. this distribution of GNU/Linux is "Mandrake Linux"... got it?

Re:Proper name

[deno]

AMEN. :-)

YEEEE HAWWWW!

[joshsnow]

Goodbye RedHat 7.3, hello life, love and linux!!

Lindows sounds promising too...

[Anonymous Coward]

Lindows 2.0 sounds good. After reading this long review about Lindows I have changed my mind as to what it might be able to do for me.

Red Hat 8 is another one I want to try too. Not sure if I will try Mandrake 9. Their installer and their desktop environment looks are just so outdated these days.

good job

[Anonymous Coward]

way to go mandrake, just when Red Hat is having problems!!!

I'm gonna hold out on this one

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm waiting for Mandrake XP.

gotta remember...

[Anonymous Coward]

make sure you remember to stimulate the blowhole.

There goes my bandwidth

[Zemran]

It sounds great and I will definately give it a try. I think that by the time I have a real opinion this tread will be history though :)

Mandrake Rocks

[buswolley]

9.0 Final Release.. Yeah Baby!!!As I am not a developer, I've been waiting for this release. I want to install Mandrake as the network for my friend's corner Gallery. Artists appreciate openSource. L0l

Re:Mandrake Rocks

[Anonymous Coward]

Artists appreciate openSource.

Artists appreciate it even more when you pay them for their work instead of stealing it under the guise of freedom.

I'm not sure, but..

[Anonymous Coward]

they sure didn't read Stallman's FAQ: 'Affirming its leading position in the Linux desktop arena, Mandrake Linux 9.0 introduces

Silly rabbit, it should beGNU/Linux. R-E-S-P-E-C-T, tell you what it means to me.

Poor mirrors

[ivanandre]

Usually the mirrors will be rammed for a week or two, poor servers and bandwith!

Good to switch to

[I Am The Owl]

This is excellent news! I am sick and tired of RedHat taking away my Constitutional rights and destroying the KDE project, but I lacked a better alternative. This is truly a step ahead for Linux on the desktop.

Has anyone here used it yet? Could you report on your experience? I hope the mirrors aren't Slashdotted...

Re:Good to switch to

[jerkychew]

Hmmm... RedHat is modifying their product that you are most likely getting FOR FREE, and you call it a loss of "Constitutional rights".... riiight. Cuz I mean, it's not like you have a choice of another Linux distro or anything.

Re:Good to switch to

[ivanandre]

Unfortunately, the mirrors where rammed 3 hours ago...

Re:Good to switch to

[PhB95]

I loaded RC2 a week ago. Installed fine and straightforward on 2 PCs (dual boot with XP on a Duron 1GHz, and dual with w98 on an Athlon 700)
It lokks great an until today it is, I did not change a single setting since the install and everything works, including CD burner. Also tried Unreal 2003, it went seamless but of course needed a Nvidia driver from their website. The RC2 for me is so good I'll wait for the release of the standard package in french to buy it.

Re:Good to switch to

[Rick the Red]

Yeah, Red Hat's not forking the code or anything, just saying they prefer their defaults to the developer's defaults; anyone is still free to tell them both to "stuff it" and customize the look and feel all they want. Try that on Windows or a Mac! (just don't try to make your KDE desktop look like Windows or a Mac, or Gates and Jobs will sue your lame ass).

Re:Good to switch to

[Anonymous Coward]

Hehehe... unfortunately for YOU ;-)

Re:Good to switch to

[Anonymous Coward]

Could you tell me exactly which of the nvidia drivers you installed? I tried to do this with 9.0rc2 as well, but after i had installed the drivers (GLX and Kernel) and modified the XF86Config (Load glx and nv to nvidia) i could no longer get X to run.

I am running suse 8.0 at the moment. I would switch to mandrake 9.0 if i thought i could get the nvidia drivers installed. On the nvidia website there are no drivers for version 9.0 of mandrake yet.

Any help appreciated.

What version of GCC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just wondering if this Mandrake distribution has made the jump to GCC 3.

Re:What version of GCC?

[King of the World]

GCC 3.2

Re:What version of GCC?

[King of the World]

aha!

Re:What version of GCC?

[King of the World]

I speak of the love that dare not speak it's name!

Hats Off to Mandrake...

[GundyRage]

GREAT JOB. 9 is everything I hoped 8.2 would be. So I say "Hats off to Mandrake." (When I put my hat back on, you will notice it happens to be red and will say "null" on it)

Re:Hats Off to Mandrake...

[Anonymous Coward]

Uhh..okay? Fucking troll. You didn't even try, you just made a lame-ass hat joke. You must still be stuck back in that "grey-hat" crapfest story.

Re:Hats Off to Mandrake...

[GundyRage]

You sound so smart; You think you know everything? You should have known that I don't even know what this "grey-hat" story is (new here - 2nd post - nice to know it so friendly here). Also, you got the one about me not having it installed wrong. Anonymous Coward is right!

Macintosh homos

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are all Macintosh users homosexual? I mean, not one of these little twerps has the mental cojones to do anything USEFUL with a computer, except cooing over iPhoto and ordering cool picture books from Apple to give Gramma and Grampa and Mommy and Daddy and sister Susie.

Re:Macintosh homos

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you post a link? That always gets noticed here.

Re:Macintosh homos

[Anonymous Coward]

hehe, that's true. all this stuff isn't original at all, but it's still fun though

I doubt it's fast enough :)

[403Forbidden]

I'm running a P3 450MHz right now with a Mandrake/XP dual boot and it's just fine, a little slow, but fine... I tried 8.2 on my old P1 100 (overclocked to 120) and it was painful... i almost cried (j/k) I'm installing slackware right now, i think that's the best distro for me.

Re:I doubt it's fast enough :)

[minus9]

For a P1 100 tomsrtbt is probably the best distro 8-)

Looks great!

[joestar]

The presentation at:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.0/presentat ion/
is *very* impressive... They really have the best features for end-users, in particular what they call the "dynamic desktop"...!

Ah, irony.

[Anonymous Coward]

The 'release of Mandrake 9.0' story comes immediately after this slashdot article, quoted:

Vicegrip: '(Bero's) worries about what Redhat is doing to KDE for 8.0 have me rather concerned and thinking of switching distributions.'

Have at it, Vicegrip. A distribution to switch to. ;)

Perfect timing

[Vicegrip]

Makes me pleased that I joined their club in support of their distribution. I expect to be wiping my Redhat installation soon, cancelling my rhn subscription and making the jump.

The new control panel looks awesome; I've been looking forward to being able to try out gcc 3.2 on a distro compiled for it.

Good job guys.

Re:Perfect timing

[GigsVT]

Perfect timing that you got your FUD story posted you mean, right?

Re:Perfect timing

[Anonymous Coward]

Feel free to explain where the fear, uncertainty, or doubt is in his statement of preference. Or learn what the word means, that would be helpful, too.

Re:Perfect timing

[Vicegrip]

Hardly. I was ready to wait-and-see through all the comments over the last two weeks about what was happening to KDE in Redhat. I felt Bero would ensure whatever came out of Redhat was good. It was mostly because Bero worked for Redhat (and because rhn works pretty well) that I switched to them a year ago.

This post is perfect timing for me because the announcement came on Slashdot exactly at the time I was mulling over what I was going to do regarding my computer's OS.

Re:Perfect timing

[HiThere]

Red Hat has earned the community reaction through their impoliteness. I'm sure that their configuration changes are perfectly legal, but it is still quite impolite.

I'm also contemplating a switch. (No big thing. I switch frequently. But apropos.)

Re:Perfect timing

[GigsVT]

So it's impolite to change the default configuration of anything in your distro without the permission of the author? That makes no sense. Why even have distros? I think Red Hat should take a lesson from this and drop KDE completely, since the KDE community is obviously a bunch of whining assholes.

Re:Perfect timing

[HiThere]

There are many changes that one can make. It is impolite to make changes that the author disapproves of. One of these was the replacing of the small menu icon at the lower left of the screen, which was a K placed on top of a gear wheel, and it now the red hat man in a hat logo. There were others.

Version inflation?

[madenosine]

I'm suprised nobody else seems to be annoyed with the version inflation of both red hat and mandrake.

.0 releases are starting to loose their meaning...mandrake even passed AOL for gods sake!

Pretty soon, they will have to start using random letters, like "PX" or "EM"

Re:Version inflation?

[mz001b]

They break binary compatiblity, because of the new version of gcc (the older Redhat and Mandrake versions used gcc 2.9x). Breaking binary compatiblity is a very good reason to start over with a new major number.

Re:Version inflation?

[Clue4All]

They have NEVER lost their meaning. A .0 release represent a major version jump that breaks compatability. In 8.0 it was glibc 2.2, in 9.0 it's GCC 3.2. These releases are binarily incompatible. Perhaps people should learn what a version jump is supposed to mean before they start spewing from their ass^H^H^Hmouth on Slashdot.

Re:Version inflation?

[Anonymous Coward]

0 releases are starting to loose their meaning

Yeah, they're starting to lose meaning, too.

Re:Version inflation?

[IpalindromeI]

What compatibility was broken between 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 then?

Re:Version inflation?

[uchian]

Lemme see:

- KDE now 3.x, which is binary incompatable with previous verison (was 2.x)
- Gnome now 2.x (is that binary incompatable? I don't follow gnome) - was 1.x
- GCC changed to 3.x, which is binary incompatable (was 2.x)
- Ships with Mozilla 1.0 (previously, 0.x)
- Ships with Open Office 1.0 (previously 0.x) ... Exactly how more more stuff do you *want* to change before you announce a major release???? ;-)

Re:Version inflation?

[Clue4All]

Mandrake started at version 6. Feel free to go look up the answer to your own question, I'm not going to do your research. Try Google.

Re:Version inflation?

[Arandir]

Mandrake started at version 6

Actually it started with version 5.3. And if 0.0 to 5.3 isn't version inflation, I don't know what is...

Re:Version inflation?

[Anonymous Coward]

It started at 5.3 because at the time Mandrake really was just Red Hat with KDE (some of the about type files still said 'Red Hat'), and RedHat was at version 5.2 at the time.

Re:Version inflation?

[dohcvtec]

Actually it started with version 5.3.

Actually it started with version 5.1. IIRC 5.1 and 5.2 were based on RedHat 5.1 (Mandrake 5.2 was released just as RedHat 5.2 was being released) and 5.3 was based on RedHat 5.2. I still have RedHat 5.2 and Mandrake 5.2 CDs which I had ordered at the same time. And as another poster mentioned, Mandrake originally was simply RedHat (curses-based installer and all) with KDE pre-configured as the desktop environment.

Re:Version inflation?

[nzhavok]

Mandrake started at version 6

No you're wrong, mandrake actually had a version 5. I think 5.1 was the first one to hit FTP servers.

see this google groups link

Feel free to go look up the answer to your own question, I'm not going to do your research

Well we could hardly expect you to do that when you haven't done your own now could we...

Re:Version inflation?

[nzhavok]

Actually it started with version 5.3

No actually, mandrake actually had a version 5. I think 5.1 was the first one to hit FTP servers.

see this google groups link

This was my first linux distro and IIRC I had to download 90% of the files from local redhat mirrors (in new zealand) and grab the last few files from overseas.

Community is what counts for me, not new features

[LM741N]

I recently bought a new laptop to I had plenty of room to try out Mandrake and Suse. Both seem to be excellent software distributions, with just a few faults. So I subscribed to the mailing lists. I found them to be a total turn-off. I am not certain why, but I just don't get the sense of community that I get from the FreeBSD people. So now I'm back to running just FreeBSD. Maybe I will give Linux another try. Am I the only one who has these feelings?

Not sure...

[ivanandre]

Do you really think ANYBODY besides some zealots cares about Stallman rants?

Re:Not sure...

[Anonymous Coward]

actually, a lot of people do. Please don't try portray your own opinion as "ANYBODY"'s.

Re:Not sure...

[Anonymous Coward]

Stallman lost all credibility when he wrote that bloated piece of horse manure called emacs. VIVE LE VIM!

Red Hat, Mandrake

[Bobb Sledd]

With Bero no longer working on KDE, I suggest that Mandrake may become more in the spotlight, especially if they see an opportunity to make emphasized advancements.

Red Hat will have to work a bit harder now or slip behind. Either way, both of these two recent events have interesting dynamics that could fuel competition between perhaps all distros.

Re:Red Hat, Mandrake

[JoeBuck]

Mandrake mainly applies polish to software developed elsewhere, while Red Hat produces the software that all distros use (right down to the basics: they do the lion's share of the work on glibc, GCC, a lot of the work on the kernel, etc). If Red Hat died, Mandrake would soon follow and we'd all have to switch to the BSDs.

Re:Red Hat, Mandrake

[KeyserDK]

So very true =)... not the BSD part thou.. ;)

searching "Ripped or "redhat" in mandrake packages changelogs gives quite a few hits.

Re:Red Hat, Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

Most Mandrake generated work is in the area of GUI utilities for administration and/or installation. Other projects already exist to make the rest of the user experience a good one, so they focused on the holes.

Re:Red Hat, Mandrake

[Bobb Sledd]

Honestly, I don't know shit about Linux. I just wanted to see if my Karma would go up if I could make a post that had the words "Linux" "Red Hat" and "Mandrake" in an ambiguously written sentence. I'm just talkin' out my ass, man.

Oh, by the way, it did make my karma go up like I thought.

Actually

[Anonymous Coward]

In order to pacify both RMS and the feminists, we should call this release GNU/Myndrake.

Re:Actually

[Anonymous Coward]

In order to pacify both RMS and the feminists, we should call this release GNU/Myndrake.

The funniest post on Slashdot this month!

Re:Actually

[xanadu-xtroot.com]

Shouldn't it be:

GNU/Persondrake?

Re:Actually

[brain159]

but "drake" is a MALE term - surely GNU/Mynduck, no?

Re:Actually

[sconeu]

But "Person" has "son" in it.

Therefore it should be GNU/Peroffspringaquaticavian/Linux

gcc3.2

[Screaming Lunatic]

It looks like all the big distros have got gcc3.2 packaged. Which would be one of the big reasons at this point in time to pick up one of the newer distros. I've been burned by gcc2.9x a bunch of times. Personally, I'm waiting for the next version of Gentoo for my next distro (Currently running RedHat7.3). RPM has just become a bother.

So it comes down to either wait 8 hours for it to compile (portage), or wait 8 hours to figure out the dependencies (rpm), or wait 8 months for someone to package it (deb).

Re:gcc3.2

[(startx)]

try slackware-current (aka 9.0 beta). it's got gcc-3.2 standard, and has for a couple months.

Re:gcc3.2

[leviramsey]

So it comes down to either wait 8 hours for it to compile (portage), or wait 8 hours to figure out the dependencies (rpm), or wait 8 months for someone to package it (deb).

Or:

Download Mandrake and use urpmi or it's graphical front-end, the redesigned rpmdrake, to automatically figure out dependencies. There's even talk of hacking urpmi to support automatic compilation of source on a per-package basis (so you can compile X but not other packages).

Re:gcc3.2

[CentrX]

gcc3.2 is packaged in Debian testing and Debian unstable.

Re:gcc3.2

[jhines]

Yeah?

I tried installing RC3, and it wouldn't install a single program, always giving me a library dependancy problem.

Yeah, gcc was the program I wanted to install, but nothing else (games) worked either.

I don't understand how I can download what seems like everything in the world on the cd images, and not get a set that works.

Re:gcc3.2

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, so for this guy, with Slack, he could wait 8 YEARS to figure out just how to make a handful of things work, thanks to the "usability == st00pid lus3rs" slackware attitude.

I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC...

[saskboy]

...Didn't work with the default installation, like they did in Windows. Does anyone have some advice on how I can get drivers from the Internet, and make them available to my Linux system so I can try to load them. And how do I even load the drivers?
Will 9.0 have better support for my NIC and soundcard which are cheap knockoffs I guess?

I agree

[403Forbidden]

It seems that people today seem to think "hey, it's a big number, it HAS to be better!"

I say there should be a universal naming system for versions...

I remember Netscape 2.0 comming out and that being the big thing, then *gasp* 2.1!

Dear developers: If you arn't going to use the "point" then don't include it.

Re:I agree

[ChaoticLimbs]

Are you unfamiliar with the fact that GNU/Linux distributions are maturing at a rate faster than other operating systems and software? Since an operating system contains more components than say, a web browser, it has a much greater chance of reaching a major revision than a minor revision. Consider the transition from win95--win98--wimME. None of these could be truly considered Major revisions from Win95. They should, therefore, been named Win95 1.0, Win95 1.2, Win95 1.3. Some people exhausted huge amounts of money "upgrading" from Win95 to Win98 just to get USB support. Then they screwed their systems up completely by installing winME. Lets not forget there were also TWO versions of Win98 , OSR2 should have been a free patch to Win98 OSR1 but M$ got greedy. Sure, some OSs go by kernel revision, but the kernel is, of course, only one component of a complete distro, so it has less chance of becoming incompatible with previous components. Mandrake has, in my opinion, brought Linux to the masses by making it feasable for a non-CS major to actually use a computer in conjunction with Linux to do WORK. Sometimes we all have to remember that the function of a computer is to retrieve, manipulate and send data. Everyone needs to be able to use their data, and isn't quite so interested in doing things the most difficult way possible.

Re:I agree

[swv3752]

Actually, win95 is version 4.01. Win98 is 4.1998, and 98SE is 4.2222. WinME is 4.9 and win2k is 5.00 and winxp is 2002. So most windows releases were minor version jumps until the really huge jump with winXP. :)

Re:I agree

[Phil the Canuck]

Actually, Win2K is NT5.0 and XP is NT5.1.

Differences

[phorm]

Aside from general personal preference, can anyone outline the functional differences between the various linux-based systems?
For me, it seems that on any system, once everything is up and running, then I'm good to go. When it comes to desktops, etc, there seems to be a large area of contention.

Currently I'm running RedHat. The GUI installation was nice. Driver detection was good. Most things I configure I have no problems with. Trying Debian recently was like jumping in a cold shower. I suppose I'm spoiled with GUI and quick-and-easy tools, but besides these what is the core difference?

Oh, and in addition, in terminal mode I will currently say that the RedHat VIM (default VI editor) is the nicest editor out of all I've seen from RedHat, Debian, Unix and FreeBSD - as I've tried all of these through terminals into various systems I have access to.

Can perhaps somebody post a page outlining a list of core/important differences between distros?

In another note: the presentation page has been slashdotted already, since it's probably running on Mandrake configured by the Mandrake people, perhaps I'll take this as a cue to stick with RedHat...

Anyone with a GUI is spoiled - phorm

Re:Differences

[Apostata]

Check this out. I wrote it for linux.ca (when their site is renovated, it'll hopefully get posted there). It'll give a general overview of the major distros: http://members.rogers.com/m-cahill/so_linux-rev3.h tml

Re:Differences

[Apostata]

...sorry, there's an accidental space in the address I posted. Just click here.

Re:Differences

[Anonymous Coward]

yuck, you used a table for all that text? No wonder I need to use a horizontal scrollbar if I wanted to read your page. Take out the tables and maybe I'll give the page a read.

Re:This is sad...

[Surye]

And others complain bout kernel news. We have it both, there is no loss in "focus". Mandrake is very important, and I think that as it develops more, and as long as it stays on track(and not follow the road RH is going).

mirrors

[Dave_bsr]

you just have to know where to look. keep trying, and you'll get an open, pretty fast one. usually people mirror it as well - keep checking this thread (nested, scan for "mirror") and you're bound to get one or two private mirrors. Also check public universities-i know of three in the midwest that mirror mandrake that aren't on any public list - just go to xyz.edu and find their computer science/engineering servers and poke around. i've gotten quick iso's this way too....

sample - indian.cse.msu.edu hosts mandrake, but they aren't updated yet to 9.0.

Keep looking, you will find one.

Re:mirrors

[ivanandre]

Thanks... im downloading the second cd rigth now...

Re:mirrors

[AvitarX]

The MD5 sums of RC3 are the same as the final!

The mirrors listed under i486 are unjammed and have the i586 rc3 (actually I couldn't find the i486 stuff at all).

I am right now downloading off of cable (well probably done now). at under 2 hours a CD.

More information about Mandrake 9.0 (full PR)

[joestar]

As their server seems slashdotted, here is the full PR from LWN.NET:

__________

Altadena, CA; Paris, France - September 25th, 2002 - MandrakeSoft today
announced the release of Mandrake Linux 9.0 (Dolphin), a new-generation Linux
operating system for servers and desktop workstations. Mandrake Linux 9.0
combines all the power & stability of Linux with many new and unique features
plus the famous "Mandrake touch" which has a long tradition of excellence and
leadership on the desktop.

It includes the latest versions of the premiere Free Software packages,
including the newest stable releases of Linux Kernel 2.4.19, KDE 3.0.3, GNOME
2.0.1, OpenOffice 1.0.1, Mozilla 1.1, GCC 3.2, CUPS 1.1 -- over 2000
packages in all.

The Mandrake Linux 9.0 Download Edition is immediately available as a free
download from many Internet locations. Mandrake Linux retail packs (Standard
9.0: $30 USD/30 EUR, PowerPack 9.0: $69 USD/65 EUR, and ProSuite 9.0: $199 USD
- 166 EUR) - all including support plans -- are now available for pre-order at
MandrakeStore http://www.mandrakestore.com. Availability of the retail packs
is planned for mid/end October.

The Mandrake Linux 9.0 ProSuite Edition has been Linux Standard Base (LSB 1.2)
certified on Sept 25th, 2002.

* A major step toward global IT solutions *

Mandrake Linux 9.0 is the result of over four years of work to offer the most
powerful Linux operating system and world-class applications to the public.
With the growing power of PC hardware and widespread adoption of Internet
protocols, the distinction between 'server' and 'desktop' has begun to blur.
Server implementations now generally require a polished graphical desktop,
while many desktop workstations routinely include professional features such
as a firewall or a small FTP/webserver.

Mandrake Linux 9.0 answers all these needs with a unique solution to satisfy
the widest range of uses. At installation time, the system easily adapts to an
individual users' needs and expertise without requiring any difficult
configuration choices or options. As a result, individuals receive the best
set of desktop features, and corporate users benefit from the most powerful
server features.

* What's new and unique in Mandrake Linux 9.0? *

Mandrake Linux has a long tradition of excellence on the desktop: Four years
ago we were the first Linux distribution to focus on the "human factor" with
Linux. Since that time, MandrakeSoft has continually introduced solid
improvements for desktop users and has become widely imitated. As a result of
our years of experience and expertise, Mandrake Linux 9.0 offers highly
polished graphical environments and many newly redesigned graphical desktops
and configuration utilities with the highest level of features and quality.

Unique features make unique products: The Mandrake Linux desktops are dynamic.
This means, for instance, that when a new software package is installed or
removed, the corresponding icon will appear or disappear instantaneously in
the application menu. This same "dynamic" feature also applies to hardware
devices: Plug in a USB scanner or WebCam and a corresponding icon appears
automatically on the desktop.

Another unique feature in Mandrake Linux 9.0 is "supermount" which lets users
access removable media (CD-ROM, floppy, Zip, etc.) instantaneously and
transparently without using the traditional "mount/umount" commands.

Additionally, MandrakeSoft is proud to release one of the most advanced Linux
systems in regards to hardware recognition. Most of the "latest & greatest" PC
devices and protocols -- such as USB 2.0 -- are recognized and configured
automatically in Mandrake Linux 9.0. Mandrake 9.0 is the first Linux
distribution to natively support NTFS partitions and the WebDAV protocol (for
editing and managing files on remote web servers).

Last but not least, Mandrake 9.0 takes the important issue of security to a
new level. In early 2000, MandrakeSoft first introduced the concept of
"security levels" to the Linux world; in Mandrake Linux 9.0, that concept is
expanded with the integration of professional Intrusion detection tools and
utilities, encrypted communication support, encrypted filesystems, secured
authentication, and more. Even regular desktop users will appreciate the
ability to send & receive encrypted email with Mozilla, KMail and Evolution.

* Providing choice *

Each user is unique, therefore different users prefer different applications
for the same task. Following a long-standing MandrakeSoft tradition, Mandrake
Linux 9.0 doesn't impose any applications as so-called "standards", but
instead provides the widest range of choice for all. "Choice" never means that
Mandrake 9.0 is a "bloated" Linux distribution since it's extremely easy to
install and remove software packages with the greatly improved "Software
Management" utilities.

Since people have different levels of knowledge and expertise, most
Mandrake-specific tools & utilities are available with an attractive graphical
interface for point-and-click ease, yet are also fully functional from the
command line for power users.

Since Linux is truly a worldwide phenomenon, Mandrake Linux 9.0 supports
nearly 60 different languages - from Afrikaans to Welsh!

Mandrake Linux 8.2 was the first Linux distribution to become certified by the
Linux Standard Base (LSB 1.2). MandrakeSoft implements LSB compatibility in
Mandrake Linux 9.0 as an option during the installation. This important
standard ensures that Mandrake Linux will be compatible with a greater number
of leading enterprise-class applications such as Database, CRM, Accounting.
Last minute: the Mandrake Linux 9.0 ProSuite Edition has officially been Linux
Standard Base (LSB 1.2) certified on Sept 25th, 2002.

* Comprehensive support & services for all *

Mandrake Linux 9.0 is an outstanding product on its own, but a complete range
of associated services makes it an indispensable product for all occasions.
MandrakeSoft offers a comprehensive range of services:

- Support for corporate and individual use is provided through
MandrakeExpert.com and by our team of experts.
- Software update and security advisories are delivered through MandrakeOnline
- Hardware and software certification is available on demand in MandrakeSoft
testing labs.
- Consulting teams are ready to answer & assist with any Linux deployment.
- Tailor-made OEM solutions are available for PC manufacturers and system
integrators.
- High-quality Linux training is available via a network of Training Centers
located throughout the globe.

For additional information please see:

- Mandrake Linux 9.0 Pre-orders (Standard 9.0, PowerPack 9.0, ProSuite 9.0)
http://www.mandrakestore.com

- Mandrake Linux 9.0 full specifications, screenshots and package list
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/9.0/presentation/

- Mandrake Linux 9.0 Packs, description and comparatives
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/90/

- MandrakeSoft service offerings
http://www.mandrakesoft.com

Press contact:
press@mandrakesoft.Com

About MandrakeSoft

MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information
technology and Open Source developers. The company offers its enterprise,
government and educational customers a complete range of GNU/Linux and
OpenSource software and related services, plus user-friendly and highly
competitive information technologies. Additionally, MandrakeSoft offers
technologists committed to Open Source software and courseware a trusted
channel to offer their services.

MandrakeSoft has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris
Euronext Marche Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the
US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998,
MandrakeSoft has established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal and France.
Please visit the website: http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.

Re:More information about Mandrake 9.0 (full PR)

[Rick the Red]

Mandrake Linux 9.0 is the result of over four years of work to offer the most
powerful Linux operating system and world-class applications to the public.

Gee, has it been four years since 8.2? It seems like it was just six months. Time flies!

Re:More information about Mandrake 9.0 (full PR)

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of those features aren't unique to Mandrake 9.0, sadly, and a few of them were severly broken in earlier versions (anyone try to use Menudrake with KDE3 on 8.2, or change them only to find that your customizations mysteriously disappeared?) The USB one isn't new either, my USB webcam used to pop up on the desktop in 8.2 whenever I'd plug it in. Got to be annoying too, since they included the entire device name in the shortcut and made it misalign with the other icons in GNOME..had to go edit launcher files just to get rid of the thing.

Who cares?

[baxshep]

They're busting their asses, putting their time, money, and reputations on the line trying to bring Linux to the masses. Its their distro so cut them a break or roll your own distro and enumerate the releases Mozilla style...

Re:Who cares?

[403Forbidden]

They're busting their asses, putting their time, money, and reputations on the line trying to bring Linux to the masses. Its their distro so cut them a break or roll your own distro and enumerate the releases Mozilla style... To avoid any confustion I wasn't cutting on the developers as much as I was cutting on current "net" society that weighs appearance over functionality.

I think the Mandrake team is doing a WONDERFUL job and have made a very nice Linux distro for the masses. Go Mandrake!

Re:Who cares?

[madenosine]

I always found this amusing...

from the slackware (my favorite distro) FAQ:
Q: Why the jump from 4 to 7?

The following was posted to the Slackware.com Forum by Patrick Volkerding (Slackware Project Lead), at 21:43 10-10-1999.

I've stayed out of this for now, but I do think I should lend a little justification to the version number thing.

First off, I think I forgot to count some time ago. If I'd started on 6.0 and made every release a major version (I think that's how Linux releases are made these days, right? ;), we would be on Slackware 47 by now. (it would actually be in the 20s somewhere if we'd gone 1, 2, 3...)

I think it's clear that some other distributions inflated their version numbers for marketing purposes, and I've had to field (way too many times) the question "why isn't yours 6.x" or worse "when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0" which really drives home the effectiveness of this simple trick. With the move to glibc and nearly everyone else using 6.x now, it made sense to go to at least 6.0, just to make it clear to people who don't know anything about Linux that Slackware's libraries, compilers, and other stuff are not 3 major versions behind. I thought they'd all be using 7.0 by now, but no matter. We're at least "one better", right? :)

Sorry if I haven't been enough of a purist about this. I promise I won't inflate the version number again (unless everyone else does again ;)

(emphasis mine)

Mandrake and Free Software

[leviramsey]

From the presentation:

Since Netscape and the last few remaining proprietary applications have been removed, Mandrake Linux 9.0 is a "100% Free Software" product. This means that everyone is granted the right to access the sources, modify and redistribute the software. This also means that Mandrake Linux 9.0 can be deployed on as many machines as desired.

Woo hoo!

Re:Mandrake and Free Software

[Clue4All]

Yeah, but apparently neither Pine nor Pico are free enough to distribute, even on the COMMERCIAL CD. Give me a break, Pine was open source before there WAS open source.

Re:Mandrake and Free Software

[deno]

kiddy stuff. Developers removed it from the distro because it's not free software/open source, and marketing folks obviously haven't understood the value of the package, so it's not on commercial CDs either.

Rather stupid situation, but not such a catastrophy as some folks would like to present it: There is pine on PLF, and I'll sure as hell get a GPG signed package on MandrakeClub (i have to use email quite a lot, and i happen to do it with pine). Suppose the marketing folks will learn from this, and pine will be on commercial CDs next time...

Re:Mandrake and Free Software

[AdamWill]

And pico isn't a problem, since nano *is* packaged (though it may be in contribs, I don't remember).

Does it still hate the Turtle Beach Montego?

[403Forbidden]

It seems that Mandrake has some personal vendetta against the TBM because i've never gotten mine working... I've serached for dirvers and such, but have been diverted to message board posts about how Mandrake hates Turtle Beach.

Re:Does it still hate the Turtle Beach Montego?

[Anonymous Coward]

go to sourceforge. look for turtle beach. use the cvs repository and build yourself a driver. thats what i did.

Re:Does it still hate the Turtle Beach Montego?

[Anonymous Coward]

I've used the release drivers as well as the CVS version from here with my Montego II card and it works fine.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/aureal

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[baxshep]

i'm going to hope that you're not trolling... Go to www.linuxquestions.org and register so you can search THEN ask questions. Most of your questions will have already been answered there. Good luck!

The timing is interesting...

[ackthpt]

Bero Quits Red Hat Over Treatment of KDE

Vicegrip writes "In an article on leaked release notes on Redhat 8.0 CNet also revealed that Bernhard Rosenkraenzer, ... His worries about what Redhat is doing to KDE for 8.0 have me rather concerned and thinking of switching distributions."

Mandrake, maybe?

Re:The timing is interesting...

[Anonymous Coward]

Not if you want to get away from mindless point-and-drool GUIs. Only incompetent winows lusers use Mandrake.

APT-GET

[vinayski]

Is there apt-get on mandrake.
i tried using urpmi but havent found any ftp sources list anywhere which can download dependencies while installing packages.
Does 9.0 take care of this ??

Re:APT-GET

[Anonymous Coward]

As of 8.1 there is apt-get for Mandrake though I don't know how well ti has been tested.

Re:APT-GET

[erikdotla]

I think they prefer that you use Mandrake Update. I believe it's similar. Hope that answers your question. I've used it in 8.2 and it's very good.

Re:APT-GET

[symbols]

No. You need to select which ftp you wish to update with and find packages from. I have never experienced a problem with it within 8.2; actually I found it verry usefull for installing new packages and udpating packages. Guess you just gotta get lucky with a server the same way you need to get lucky to download 9.0 because all the servers are /.'d ;p

/. already

[Anonymous Coward]

I have been trying to get Mandrake from a mirror from their download site, and all of a sudden the site goes down, I come over to /., and yep you guys once again take down another server. I guess I'll wait till next week to get it.

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[Graelin]

Nah dude, I get those feelings too. Every time I wanna get reamed and told to "RTFM idiot" I *always* go to the BSD community. Boy, that's when I even get an answer at all!

Better yet, I'll go to #linux and get r00ted and 0wnz0red. Whatever that means.

This will be great

[bigbinc]

That is all

Wireless experience?

[baxshep]

Anybody tried wireless on any of the Mandrake 9.0 betas or RCs? Or installed it on a ATI Mobility M7 laptop?

Re:Wireless experience?

[AdamWill]

Wireless is, um, patchy in MDK at the moment. As for drivers - 0.11b of the orinoco drivers are in there, which is the best stable version ATM according to the author (he says 0.12 shouldn't be used). The linux-wlan-ng *drivers* are there, but for some reason the support software wasn't officially packaged for MDK 9.0, so they're basically useless. The older drivers - wvlan_cs etc - are there too. The card database is a bit incomplete, it's missing cards listed in more recent releases of orinoco, for example. There are a few cards which work excellently - so long as MDK actually *knows* about the card, the standard MDK tools work to configure it - but equally there's lots of cards that will actually work that MDK doesn't know about. For my card, I have to manually add its id info to the PCMCIA config files, which isn't really ideal. I'm hoping this will get worked on a lot for 9.1 - a better card database and packaging the wlan-ng tools would be a start. But it does have *driver* level support for a wide range of cards, so you ought to be able to get things working with any prism2-based card at least.

SuSE beat them to it with 8.1

[Anonymous Coward]

No offence to Mandrake users. Suse 8.1 has all of the "9.0" features, comes with a more complete installer (YAST) that also comes in ncurses flavor (remote admin over ssh anyone), and it comes with CDs *and* a DVD, for $50. I mean use whatever distro you want, but I just don't get why anybody would pay $60 for a stripped "workstation" DVD or $199 for the ProSuite, which is most similar to SuSE professional, when you can get the SuSE professional DVD for $50. Cab anybody justify the $150 price difference with something other than "if you don't like it don't buy it" or some other "distro-war" banter? I'm not trolling but I am curious as to why anybody would pay the difference for the same software bundle.

Re:SuSE beat them to it with 8.1

[Anonymous Coward]

"I'm not trolling..... but SUSE is better" Oh please if that wasn't a troll I'm santa claus.

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[soosterh]

I agree, there is not the community feeling of FreeBSD, but after installing the Mandrake beta, I was amazed at how well everything worked. I found that things executed quickly, though Mozilla had a nasty habit of crashing... The Mandrake Control center made administration a breeze. One interesting piece to note is that KDE and Gnome seemed faster then in 8.2. The big problem is that I am feeling a little guilty recommending Mandrake after years of using Slackware and FreeBSD.

HTTP request sent; waiting for response.

[horatio]

Either my uplink is being stupid, or they've already been /.'d. Geez.

Maybe there needs to be some kind of delay built into stories being posted on /. where a hostmaster is notified 15 minutes before a link to their domain is posted. At least it would give the admins enough time to get to the bar and get a few drinks in before the boss starts wanting to know why the hell his game of "MS-Hearts" isn't working anymore.

Re:HTTP request sent; waiting for response.

[bigbinc]

Did slashdot kill the server, maybe that is the test of a distro. It is a superstition kind of thing. If server goes down, means bad luck for 7 months after the release date, otherwise 7 months of good luck.

Everybody stop clicking the links!

[jedie]

I'm trying to watch the presentation but you people are /.'ing it!
I command you all to stop clicking the links! NOW!!! :p

Goddammit, SOMEBODY mod me DOWN!

[Anonymous Coward]

Unh. Unh. Somebody pay attention to me!

A computer company is slashdotted.

[Futurepower(R)]

If Mandrake is so good with computer systems, why are both links slashdotted?

I like Mandrake, but... it makes me think.

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[Anonymous Coward]

"... it makes me think"

Doubtful.

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[PhB95]

Just to say, from here (Paris) I have fast and responsive connection to them, so maybe the bottleneck isn't at theirs ...

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[zulux]

Just to say, from here (Paris) I have fast and responsive connection to them, so maybe the bottleneck isn't at theirs ...

Wow! I diden't know Linux could run on a Minitel!

(kidding)

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[vsprintf]

Why was Infoworld slashdotted yesterday? Possibly a sudden huge influx of unexpected traffic? Count the links in articles lately that haven't been slashdotted. A link here is the internet kiss of death for all but the big players.

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[vsprintf]

Oh, BTW, I should have mentioned that the other Mandrake sites are working just fine, and no, I'm not providing links. Only the linked front page with all the eye candy for prospective new users is hurting.

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[buchanmilne]

If Mandrake is so good with computer systems, why are both links slashdotted?

Maybe because they think it's better to keep one more developer than pay his salary in bandwidth?

In the post-dot-bomb era, companies don't need to prove uptime to be successful, they need to make a profit! Redundant servers and bandwidth waste money most of their life, and are bad for generating profit.

I like Mandrake, but... it makes me think.

Rather think on the increasing market share Mandrake has on web servers ....

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[JoeBuck]

They aren't slashdotted (meaning that the reason that they are slow isn't that slashdot has linked to them). Their site is overloaded because they put out a new release, and everyone is downloading it. Slashdot picked up the story from other sites, who had it first, and I'm sure that their site was overloaded before slashdot ran the story.

Re:A computer company is slashdotted.

[Anonymous Coward]

Because they're so good with computer systems.
Really. Mandrake is actually becoming popular enough that a posting on Slashdot alone is -far- too much bandwidth for them to handle. And please don't try to tell me that's an abnormal occurance, either. They're doing things right and they're getting noticed..meanwhile they're giving the fruits of their labour away for free, and yet the people who are draining all of their bandwidth not only leave them with the bill, but -complain- about the service they didn't pay for.

Nice attempt at a troll, I almost thought you were trying to make a serious point!

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[RealAlaskan]

... I just don't get the sense of community that I get from the FreeBSD people.

Interesting. The few times I've looked at the *BSD lists, I didn't like what I saw, and went back to Linux. My impression was that folks were a bit snottier. This was a couple years ago, so I really can't give any details.

Ahh, Anonymous Coward

[baxshep]

The name for cowards and trolls.

Re:Ahh, Anonymous Coward

[leviramsey]

The US Marines: the military branch for those who couldn't play with the big boys

Mandrake 9 DVD

[robson]

I pre-ordered the Mandrake 9 DVD release about a month ago. It looks like it'll ship by the end of October.

Having run (GNU/)Linux for just about 4 months, I'm still very new to it, and I'm proud to support Mandrake financially for providing a distro that's making my transition easier. If you download Mandrake 9, and end up using it, consider buying the next boxed version. Good developers deserve our support.
(I'm not affiliated with Mandrake in any way other than as a user.)

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[Anonymous Coward]

that's all good and well, but Mandrake have gone on record saying that they don't make decent cash from the boxed versions, and would rather people downloaded and then joined their club. Still, the DVD will save all those swaps...

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[UVABlows]

I also pre-ordered the Mandrake 9 DVD release about a month ago. With the hat deal right? The thing said the hat would ship right away and the dvd would get shipped later. Did you get your hat? I sure didn't. I've heard some real horror stories about mandrakestore's shipping. Anyone here used it before? How did it go? Can you track your package with the number they gave?

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[leviramsey]

that's all good and well, but Mandrake have gone on record saying that they don't make decent cash from the boxed versions, and would rather people downloaded and then joined their club. Still, the DVD will save all those swaps...

They actually make the most money if you buy a DVD from their store, especially if you buy the ProSuite with every new version (twice a year, iow).

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[Galvatron]

Yeah, "horror" is just about right. After, I think it was 8.1, over a month went by after the release with no dvd shipped. Emails to customer support went unanswered. The forums were filling up with people complaining about not having received anything. Finally, Mandrake made a public post to the effect that they weren't ready for the demand, and Sept. 11th delayed shipping. Eventually, I did get my DVD, but yeah, it was pretty screwed up.

Oh, and in case it wasn't clear from the above, no, your number is useless, it doesn't track, and it's impossible to get a hold of anyone in sales anyway, so you can't use your number with them, either.

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[deno]

Send me an email (denis at mandrake), and we'll clear that up in no time. DVD of course can't ship yet, but if they said that cap will ship first then it should have been at your place long time ago.

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[deno]

Oh, yes, your experience from the time we just opened up the store, and then bumped in the middle of post Sept. 11 chaos, which made shipping next to impossible (followed by an avalanche of emails which paralised the services dep.) is really VERY relevant to what's going on today.

Kind of reminds me of the "Mandrake? that's this RH ripof with KDE, no?", and "Linux? Oh, that's VERY difficult thing. I tried it five years ago, and ..." type of stories..

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[Dave_bsr]

How can anyone complain when mandrake people read posts on slashdot and ASK to be emailed about problems?. ASK! Un-be-leivable.

Deno, I think people just like to whine. I say - great work, great distro - you won't hear any whining out of me. **** out of 5, and keep it up!

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[Dave_bsr]

dangit i can't even count. that should b ***** out of 5. *slaps forhead*

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[Galvatron]

Listen, being swamped is one thing. Waiting a month before giving us any kind of explanation is another thing entirely though. It would not have been hard to set things up so that the customer support center automatically sent back a form letter explaining what was going on.

It's not the delay I (or many others) minded so much as the complete and utter silence. Also, this is not a story from 3+ years ago. This is a story from exactly one year, as in 12 months, ago.

Re:Mandrake 9 DVD

[UVABlows]

I'm not complaining. If a month and a half started to go by, then I'd be complaining. I'm just anxious. Deno is the strongest community-oriented person that I know of from mandrake and there are many people out there whose windows->linux transitions are directly attributable to his efforts. He makes it so easy for mandrake users to get in touch with each other and solve problems that arise. Posts in the forum have led to many of mandrake's tools that make it the great distro that it is.

Re:This is sad...

[mickwd]

"It's very sad that such an influential news website as /. is lowering itself to promoting incremental upgrades of individual distributions".

No, it isn't. It's interesting techie news, and news that will interest a lot of people here. Let's watch and see how many comments get posted to this article, to find out whether I'm right.

"The focus should be on the overall effort of the Linux development community".

Then why don't we talk about the excellent community that exists around Mandrake (more so than some other distros), and let's discuss whether this has helped make Mandrake 9.0 a superb release or not.

"I understand how important Mandarke is.....since it is for 'n00bs'".

Not just for n00bs. I use it, I'm pretty happy with it, and I've been a Unix programmer (and system administrator) for 15 years, and a Linux user for many of those years. If Mandrake can stop the occasional QA howlers, it'll be even better. But they've really made an effort with 9.0 - let's find out whether they've succeeded.

"...the focus should still be on the overall development of the kernel".

Why ? Of course it's of interest, but it's not the only thing. The kernel, on its own, is more-of-less useless - it doesn't do anything on its own. But what is does do is enable everything else to work. It is a means to an end. That end is a may be a work tool, a plaything, a communication tool, or a hobby (for some even a cause). Any of those ends, or the means to those ends, is worthy of discussion.

ftp mirrors

[BollWeevil420]

Anyone managed to get the iso's to a mirror or found one that can take some bandwidth? This could be my most anticipated iso download since Quake 2... :)

Re:ftp mirrors

[erikdotla]

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3

That's the only download location mentioned by distrowatch. I'd love a mirror. Good luck everyone

Re:ftp mirrors

[Anonymous Coward]

You're a petty theif. You've already stolen Quake 2 so why not steal a real OS?

Re:ftp mirrors

[timmyf2371]

ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/un ix/Linux/Mandrake/iso/

Currently getting 75 kbps on a 600k broadband connection (Sept 26/2002)

Tim

Re:ftp mirrors

[Airline_Sickness_Bag]

Well, I was getting 840kBps here - each ISO took less than 15 minutes to download. While surfing, too.

-asb

Re:ftp mirrors

[Anonymous Coward]

ahem, i believe it should be

ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/ un ix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-iso/ [mirror.ac.uk]

but im having a lil trouble with it, (im also on a DS3 to IntetV2.. but here to hoping ::[ Alibaster ]::

Re:Not to troll?

[unicron]

My verdict is you shouldn't mod someone down because you don't agree with their opinion. Make a reply explaining your side, try to make others believe you're the one in the right, but, for example, to call someone a troll because he likes Windows more than Linux is assinine, and counter-productive to everything this page is supposed to stand for.

I switched to

[geekoid]

mandrake 9.0 for moral porpoises...

Re:I switched to

[Anonymous Coward]

somebody please mod the parent up!!!

Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[The Analog Kid]

Sure, its not for the more Advanced so much as the Newbies, but atleast the Newbies have something that can get them started. We should be promoting switching to Linux not scaring them away with something complicated(not that Linux is complicated but still the command-line scares people). So stop being Anti-Mandrake and be more accepting. *Gets a garbage lid and waits for rotten fruit to be thrown*

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

What are you talking about, Mandrake more for the newbies than for the Advanced ! That's utter nonsense, it's for both ! Mandrake wants to deliver a distribution that will provide everyting to everybody.

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

What exactly can you do with other distros that makes them for advanced users that is impossible to do with Mandrake?

Are you saying Mandrake is for n00b's because it offers gui tools where normally editing a text file would suffice?

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been using Linux for 6 years, and I use Mandrake all the time. It's great.

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[InodoroPereyra]

I agree in general terms. But first, it is not an Anti-Mandrake thing. People who disregard Mandrake as a "newbie distro" are actually anti-massive adoption of Linux. Also:

Sure, its not for the more Advanced so much as the Newbies, but atleast the Newbies have something that can get them started.

The idea that if it is good for Newbies it isn't for advanced users is just elite thinking. Maybe the experts don't what to use what newbies use to differenciate themselves ?. I would actually agree in what you say if you mean that Mandrake spends part of the effort on (very useful) GUI tools, and advanced users who don't need these tools would be better off using a distro which spends its efforts in stability and robustness. However, note that the growing popularity of Mandrake means it is being more tested, and hopefully they'll be able to alocate more resources in quality assurance.

And BTW. I see no freaking reason why editing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcg* by hand is faster, safer or even more instructive than doing it with a GUI. I can do both, I prefer the GUI. It saves me time. The computer does not see the difference, and the text files are always there in case something goes wrong.

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[Anonymous Coward]

Anybody remember when Redhat used to be "for the Newbies"?

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake

[Mr.Ned]

Just because it's easy to use doesn't mean it's only for newbies.

I've been running Gentoo for the better part of a year. I switched to gcc-3x fairly early on and have been assaulted with many problems that have only been fixed in the past couple months. My gentoo works, but it's a bit cobbled together.

I installed 9.0-rc3 the other day for a LUG meeting. I was impressed. Really impressed. Everything worked, and worked well. Little tools like DrakSync just made my life easier going between desktop and laptop. NFS and SMB were no longer minor headaches. Printing actually worked. Fonts are beautiful. I'm keeping it, at least until I get bored with not having anything to fiddle with!

Am I going to replace the server? No way. Gentoo's definitly a keeper there. But Mandrake has re-convinced me that Linux really can be a desktop.

ISO's

[nocomment]

If someone got a screenshot of the download page, or a list of the mirrors, would you post them please? The site has been /.ed

Re:ISO's

[Joe Tie.]

I tried a little before the story was posted on slashdot and found all the ftps full, and reports from one person who had gotten in that they were getting 4kbs. Surprisingly there were only three mirrors listed at the time I looked.

Re:ISO's

[GETerry]

I don't have a complete list of mirror's but here is the one I am currently leaching the iso's from:

ftp.fi.muni.cz

Please be nice to it, I am still downloading.

Re:ISO's

[Anonymous Coward]

Australia
# ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/

Austria
# ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna)

Czech Republic
# ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/
# ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)

France
# ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
# ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)

United States
# ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake /iso/ (California)
# ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/iso (NY)
# ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

rh null, suse pro 8.1 and now this...

[small_dick]

can someone familiar with these distros respond the the following?

Suse pro has:
1) neat firewall tool, services, user, nis/yp management tools.
2) samba and nfs are trivial on it (exports/imports).
3) Oracle, DB2 (from what I've heard, not seen) are easily installed--some kind of scripting thing makes them easy to install.
4) Possible to make a local "up2date"-style server so not all the local machines need to log into, or have accounts on, red hat network.
5) Suse pro appears to cost much less than RH pro.

If any of this is false, please correct me. I only saw it from a distance, or heard from heresay. How do the distros compare regarding these features?

Re:rh null, suse pro 8.1 and now this...

[Anonymous Coward]

So many times and so many posters with the same kind of questions, i.e I was seen but not touched X, I know its got ABC, how does it compare to Y and Z.

I'd really hate to call you retarded but why don't you get X, try it out, then if you see something you like in Y try that out too, instead of asking lame questions and whoring for retard points.

Re:rh null, suse pro 8.1 and now this...

[bogie]

Redhat gives out free ISO's and Suse does not.

Redhat also has most of those features. Regarding cost, well since Suse doesn't pay for most for the people's work that they are distributing with their distro, I don't feel like paying for Suse's work either.

slashdot change site

[bigbinc]

Did slashdot just change the site, realtime. wtf is going on. I click mandrake site cant get on, I check the slashdot link again and the site has changed, ahhh...

Where to buy Mandrake 9.0 now!

[pheph]

A company I do work for has jumped ontop of this and now sells this distribution. Check out Open Soars for a cheap copy of Mandrake 9.0.

They make published donations to Mandrake and other Open Source projects with the profits from each sale.

We've run into some problems with Credit Card processing, so only PayPal, Check, and Money Order are accepted, but we should get CC processing up soon!

Re:Where to buy Mandrake 9.0 now!

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh yeah..you just work for them, eh? Answer this for me..why would I think it a better idea to give Mandrake a fraction of a donation when I could just buy from them directly instead? Wouldn't that be a more sensible method of supporting them, giving them the full price that they're (graciously) asking for?

Nice spam, though.

Re:Where to buy Mandrake 9.0 now!

[pheph]

Most people cannot afford $90 for a distribution, and we are taking the time and effort to distribute Mandrake at a very reasonable price while donating to Mandrake, which most Linux CD retailers don't do. On the site we even suggest that you register with Mandrake Club.

Nice troll, though.

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[CoolCash]

Be easier to get a new nic and sound card. I recommend (for cheep) a DLINK NIC ($10) and any SB card.

long was the wait... long debugging time...

[lems1]

After 3 exellent RCs that had a lot of minor glitches it was about time they release a final version... ... now if only people would stop complaining about stupid errors in the cookers-list...

get a life! Do a clean install and restore your personal files afterwards...

hooray

[erikdotla]

These are great days we're livin bros. We're jolly green giants, walkin the earth, with guns. These (other distros) we've killed here today.. were the finest (distros) we'll ever know. When I (get MDK9 installed), I'm gonna miss not having any (distro) around who's worth (installing)!

I love Full Metal Jacket. I love Mandrake. This is one of the happiest days of my life.

I hope the install goes well. Hell, I just hope I can get the iso's downloaded and burned here at work before I go home!

Re:hooray

[Anonymous Cowrad]

"This is one of the happiest days of my life.".

Step away from the computer. Go outside.

I'm pretty happy to see Mandrake 9.0, but today is nowhere near the best day of my life because of it.

does it have a WORKING JAVA?

[linuxlover]

The last I heard that no JDK is available (prepackaged atleast) for GCC 3.x. has that changed?
(Can't get to mandrake.com, seems slashdotted!)

Re:does it have a WORKING JAVA?

[EthSoma]

Yeah, Java works. I'm using RC2 right now and java 1.3.1, 1.4.0, and 1.4.1 all work without having to do anything special.

Re:does it have a WORKING JAVA?

[Anonymous Coward]

It has kaffe, Java 1.1 SDK.

Re:does it have a WORKING JAVA?

[linuxlover]

damn, I didn't even know Jdk 1.4.1 is available!

Does it gave an auto update feature ala SuSE?

[Anonymous Coward]

I love the fact the with the touch of a button SuSE will check the ftp for updates and allow me to download the ones I want, including drivers for Nvidia cards, etc.

Does Mandrake also offer this?

Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Backov]

Maybe some of you linux gods around here can help me out..

I installed Mandrake 9 RC3 last week, and here's what happenned..

Install Win2k on first partition..

Install Mandrake on second partition.. No problem, Mandrake works.

Update Win2k to SP3 - Win2k silently formats the Mandrake partitions fat32.

Scream in frustration.

REinstall Mandrake. Works fine.

Booting into Win2k is painful, Windows basically seizes up whenever you open Explorer, I assume because it's trying to access the extfs3 (?) partitions, and has no idea what they are. It doesn't format em this time, but unfortunately my Win2k setup is useless.

Relucantly format the Mandrake partitions, problem goes away.

Now - is this deliberate, or is there some workarounds I am missing?

Cheers,
Backov

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, I've not tried it on Win2k, but 98/XP seem not to like dual booting anything but another M$ OS.
What I did was make an extended partition, then put the Linux partitions under that. Of course, if your Win2k install thinks the partitions should be accessable via FAT32, you'll probably need to reinstall.
I'd try installing Mandrake first, then Win2k

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[woobieman29]

Hmmmmm... This is similar to the way that my system is configured, except I also have Win98 on a third partition. All three OS's work on my machine (at least the Windoze OS's worked last time I bothered booting them, which was several weeks ago).

Did you create the partitions under Windows and then format them as ext3 during the Mandrake install? If so, I wonder if you might have better luck whacking all partitions but the Windows one and then creating new partitions for Mandrake during the install process. It's just a guess, but I could see Windows getting it's little brain confused if it stored some info about the partition table, and then when you rebooted Windows after formatting it as ext3 it didn't know how to mount the ext3 filesystem. Again, this is just a guess.

Of course, the best option of all might just be to remove Windows entirely as I'm going to do when I install the released Mandrake 9, but I realize that this isn't an option for everyone.

Good luck Backov.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[erikdotla]

No no no...

I used the built in Mandrake 8.2 drakdisk or whatever to resize my 40gb FAT32 WinXP partition to 30gb. I then alloted the remaining 10 to MDK8.2.

Without any further cajoling, it set up LILO with dual boot between XP and MDK8.2. XP never knew what hit it, and still doesn't.

I also have complete confidence that I can repeat this with 9.0, wiping out my 8.2 distro partition and letting 9 use it all, reinstalling LILO along with it and continue dual booting.

I have tons of critical data on my XP volume that isn't backed up. Don't plan to back it up either. I have total confidence based on my 8.2 install experience and my general experience with 8.2 as a whole product. It is outstanding.

Don't think, just do it.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[alyandon]

Windows is definately NOT going to format a partition unless you explicitly tell it to do so. However, under 2000's disk manager my extfs3 partition shows up as a empty partition (ie: ready to format/map a drive letter to) instead of an unknown partition. Make sure you don't have any drive letters mapped to the extfs2/3/linux swap partitions.

My main system is set up very similar to yours (ie: W2K installed first, SP3 update then Mandrake) and I've never had issues with dual-booting via lilo/grub. The only major difference is that I use NTFS for most of my partitions -- except for one that is fat32 so I can transfer files between linux and Windows.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Anonymous Coward]

Install Windows First!

I have donw this on dozens of machines without error. Good Luck.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Anonymous Coward]

resistance is apparently futile, something to do with some sort of assimilation? :D

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Backov]

Yes, except that it did.. Mandrake was installed and working fine.. Install SP3, reboot to mandrake, and the partition was clobbered.. Insert the Mandrake install disks, the former mandrake partitions are now showing as fat32 - ergo, Win2k silently formatted them.

I will have to give it a shot soon.. And also, I do not ever use FAT32, I use NTFS as well, on the windows side.

Cheers,
Backov

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[BranMan]

If you can't get it to work there is a product out there called SystemCommander - I'm looking to get that (but haven't yet, so I can't tell you how good it is). It claims to be able, in addition to allowing you to install as many different OSs as disk space allows, to hide partitions from any of those OSs. Might do the trick if nothing else helps.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Robber Baron]

You can even get rid of the FAT32 if you want because 8.2 can mount (and read) NTFS partitions. It just can't read the NTFS permissions.

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[Da Schmiz]

How did you create the partitions? If the partition type flags aren't set to 83 (Linux), then Windows might think that there's nothing on them. (Linux mount can sometimes do the right thing even though the partition flag is wrong, but it looks like Windows isn't that intelligent.) Also, Win2k (IIRC) has a tool in the drive manager that allows you to hide partitions completely... that should stop the problems you're having with Explorer...

Re:Windows 2000 and Mandrake 9.0

[lamikr]

Do following in the Windows 2000:

1) Go to
Settings/Control Panel/Administrative tools/
Computer Management/Disk Management
2) Select your extfs3-partition
3) Press Right mouse-button and select "Change drive letter and path)
4) Select remove to remove drive-letter mapping from your ext3-partition
5) Close

That way windows 2000 will stop drying to use that partition. After that check also that you do not have any path-assignments to that partition.

Mika

winows lusers

[baxshep]

And only incompetent A/Cs post just to talk shit instead of maybe extolling the virtues of their favorite distro so someone might try it over Windows. How about helping out someone try Linux instead of talking shit? Or maybe learning how to spell/type?

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[zero0w]

You can check out ALSA project for sound support.
http://www.alsa-project.org/

For network card check out the Mandrake homepage for hardware compatibility list. Should work with most NIC.

Great timing

[hansroy]

I just installed RC3 on my laptop Monday. Upgrading....a welcomed curse.

highpoint raid controller

[smutman]

Has the problem with booting from/using highpoint raid controller cards been fixed in this release? I was very pleased with 8.2 but stopped using it because I was tired of switching the cables on my hard drives.

AC'97

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it finally support AC-97?

Slashdotted...

[MakerBreaker]

psst...I think they are using IIS

New Release: "Big Hairy Animal/Illusionist"

[Futurepower(R)]

The Worldwide Association of Gnus (WAG) asks that the word Gnu should not be used unless it refers to the animal Gnu. When referring to something else, WAG suggests "big hairy animal".

The Magician's Council says that Mandrake should be used only when referring to a certified magician. "Illusionist" should be used instead.

Therefore this release should be called "Big Hairy Animal/Illusionist" to keep everyone happy.

Re:New Release: "Big Hairy Animal/Illusionist"

[Xenographic]

Therefore this release should be called "Big Hairy Animal/Illusionist" to keep everyone happy. >>>>> But that would get confusing, especially since we've been talking about Ballmer & MS so much today...

Re:New Release: "Big Hairy Animal/Illusionist"

[Anonymous Coward]

HAH

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[Anonymous Coward]

Mandrake has a great community feeling which is why that has been my distro of choice since 8.1. Check out #mandrake on Efnet. There are a bunch of friendly people on there. Most of them are university students who are admins or have nothing better to do than hang out on #mandrake and answer people's questions :).

You are probably right.

[Futurepower(R)]

You are probably right. However, it wouldn't be difficult to have a U.S. server. Both Mandrake and RedHat need better marketing.

P2P Please!

[Anonymous Coward]

It would seem to me that this is the perfect opportunity to show of legit uses of P2P. Anyone who downloads Mandrake successfully over the next week should share the ISO's on gnutella, kazaa, etc. Not only would this reduce server load, but it would prove that not all P2P traffic is RIAA/MPAA owned content.

I'll be waiting on downloading it

[gatesh8r]

I figure I'll download it in about two weeks, and that just may be enough for the slashdot effect from completely knocking the living crap out of the mirrors.

Mandrake for n00bs only - who can convince me?

[Anonymous Coward]

Lets start with the facts - Mandrake is a lot easier to use than a lot of other Linux distros, especially for desktop productivity, multimedia and installation, system configuration and maintenance.

Now for the assumption - since Mandrake is easy to use it must only for 'n00bs' (novices, the unimformed).

I belive that a good OS can be user-friendly and easy to use, yet powerful at same time. If Mandrake gave a 'power-user' full control over the system to do whatever the hell she wants, then given the choice between a 'hard' distro and an 'easy' distro, then wouldn't any sane user chose the 'easy' distro?

Now for you few people that state that Mandrake is only for n00bs, I assume you mean that it is not only easy to use (which I'm sure is universally acceptable) but it also limits your control and power over the system somehow? But how?

The other angle I could look at is that you get some perverse pleasure doing something manually that Mandrake does for you automatically. Mounting removeable media is one such task that comes to mind. Sure I am well versed with typing such things as 'mount -t vfat /dev/zip0 /mnt/zipdrive' for example but bugger me if I have to do that everytime I put a new disk in!

Re:Mandrake for n00bs only - who can convince me?

[ChaoticLimbs]

I've used Suse 6.0, Mandrake 7.0, 7.2, 8.0, 8.2 and so far haven't found Mandrake to be crippled in any way that affects me. Why should I use Slackware if Mandrake's as easy as it is? Is it worth all that extra effort just to be more 1337? I also would like to know what slackware can do that MDK can't do. I've noticed quite a bit of elitism on the part of the users of the more difficult to implement distros. If I have 7 boxen to install and configure, why in the world would I want to do them all by hand? Sometimes it's nice to have a GUI frontend for common tasks. Or is it?

Re:Mandrake for n00bs only - who can convince me?

[NiceGeek]

I agree...I've used RH, SUSE and even Slack and I'm sticking with Mandrake. Sometimes you just want things to work and not have to hand configure every friggin thing. That's what is great about Linux...you can choose what distro suits your needs. Too bad some elitists don't seem to see that.

Re:Mandrake for n00bs only - who can convince me?

[ChaoticLimbs]

That's 30 posts in a row with no moderation! Fuck it, I'm burning off a little to say how come I get no mods? Is it the lameness of my .sig or the fact that I'm on a n00b distro?

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[dvdeug]

I just don't get the sense of community that I get from the FreeBSD people

Probably because Mandrake and SuSe are commerical distributions designed to serve a wider set of users than just community players. If you want community, I invite you to listen on the Debian lists, where all the development and flame wars are done in the open.

Here is an idea....

[phreakinb]

Try slackware. You dont have to try 9.0beta, but it hass gcc2. With slackware you will learn a lot more. I learned much more on slackware than i ever did on SuSE or Red Hat(which by the way crashed).

Re:Here is an idea....

[lowtekneq]

The reason you probably didn't learn much in those might be because. A) You started out in them. and B) You didn't get outside of X much. I've used a few flavors of linux (Slack, Red Hat, SuSE, Debian) and really didn't notice much difference in how beginners can learn. Just because an OS has a simple install and boots into X doesn't mean people can't learn from it. Also, please don't push your flavor upon others.

Marketing is the limiting factor...

[Futurepower(R)]

Another thought: Marketing is becoming the limiting factor in the acceptance of Linux. The product itself is very impressive. Someone has to educate all those not technically knowledgeable enough to read Slashdot.

Re:Stop being so Anti-Mandrake!!!

[symbols]

Mandrake is not for 1 specific group of people its for everyone. Linux is linux whats the big deal? If its not to your linking you can change it with Mandrake as with any distro.

Use SP2

[buchanmilne]

There are a lot of compatability issues with SP3, for example profiles on a samba server.

So, I would revert to SP2.

Also, have you tried removing the FAT32 partitions from Windows 2000s disk management first, then installing.

Of course, you might have considered backing the Mandrake install up with something like partimage ...

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[Anonymous Coward]

Mandrake 8.2 had a broken ne2000 support, corrected after some time (updating the kernel package). 9.0 worked for me just fine, first shot.

It was out monday

[Anonymous Coward]

Its been out since monday night, named as rc3.

Just checked the md5sums and they're the same in 9.0 final and the renewed rc3.

Story was out on pclinuxonline.com a few days ago... thank god /. never got a hold of that ;P

Anyhow, it rocks! Faster than any rc's and just wonderful in every aspect.

Nevermind

Re:It was out monday

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, and by the by... the md5sums are

f7a093af34b8cbe1abc165213fea9deb Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso
05a3ccafaacc37d6d1e2 f260fc274549 Mandrake90-cd2-ext.i586.iso
1a2fd731fb6e30d39b0b9 9f504b231b3 Mandrake90-cd3-i18n.i586.iso

in case you want to check if that rc3 you downloaded is the 9.0 in disguise.

Nevermind

MD5s and a correction

[bukharin]

These are the MD5s for the official release:

39411c02efa52ebb06cea09431304046 MandrakeLinux-90-i18n.i586.iso
ee98e7043913f59ee0 b57f748f63fd70 MandrakeLinux-90-inst-1.i586.iso
48083326bd492ec8 5a5c48e48ad03b5e MandrakeLinux-90-inst-2.i586.iso

(newbies: see http://linuxiso.org for information on using MD5s properly)

Please note that these MD5s are _different_ from the RC3 iso files dated Tue Sep 23 that a lot of people thought were the final release.

I couldn't get a list of mirrors because the Mandrake site is slashdotted (big surprise!)

bukharin

Re:MD5s and a correction

[gadfium]

According to the Mandrake mirror site, these are the md5sums (already posted in an earlier comment).

MD5 checksum:

f7a093af34b8cbe1abc165213fea9deb Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso
05a3ccafaacc37d6d1e2 f260fc274549 Mandrake90-cd2-ext.i586.iso
1a2fd731fb6e30d39b0b9 9f504b231b3 Mandrake90-cd3-i18n.i586.iso

Does the parent of this comment know something I don't? I see his iso names are different to mine - does he have a re-issue of the iso files?

Re:MD5s and a correction

[bukharin]

Where are those md5s posted in an earlier post? I can see lots of posts with lists of mirrors, but none of them have the md5s. The official site is slashdotted so I can't check.

The md5s that I posted come from ftp.planetmirror.com, my local mirror and one of the sites listed as an official mirror.

bukharin

Re:MD5s and a correction

[bukharin]

Aha!

Finally got onto the official Mandrake site, and you're correct - the MD5s that I posted are wrong! That's pretty damn weird, since they came from ftp.planetmirror.com which is listed as an official mirror.

It turns out that the dates on those files I posted are 19 September. So planetmirror must have renamed the -RC3 ISOs to final, even though they're not. /me is very confused.

Anyway, please mod down my original post since it's wrong.

To repeat, the _correct_ MD5s, direct from the Mandrake website are:

MD5 checksum:

f7a093af34b8cbe1abc165213fea9deb Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso
05a3ccafaacc37d6d1e2 f260fc274549 Mandrake90-cd2-ext.i586.iso
1a2fd731fb6e30d39b0b9 9f504b231b3 Mandrake90-cd3-i18n.i586.iso

In a way I'm kind of relieved, since those files are the ones I got (named -rc3) a couple of days ago, so technically I'm already running 9.0! :-) (btw it's really, really good)

bukharin

Much cleaner look

[ActiveSX]

It looks as if Mandrake finally invested in some professional graphics design. Those old icons looked like hell compared to 9.0's.

Whine for Pine... Where is it?

[Anonymous Coward]

I know, I read Mandrake's explanation, but for the shell's sake, don't bastardize it!

dr

huh?

[Anonymous Coward]

333p2?

This is a joke, right?

If you are going to run a modern OS, run it on a modern processor.

Re:huh?

[Anonymous Coward]

funny I thought Linux was supposed to run on minimal hardware...

Re:huh?

[FCAdcock]

Why, those cost too much money sometimes. I have my MP3 server on an ancient Compaq Portable.

Location of ISO's Anybody ?

[Eu4ria]

Seeing as the site seems a little slow I have been doing manual searches for the latest ISO's on mirror sites but they all seem to be carrying rc3 as the latest verison. Am I just looking in the wrong place? does anybody know where they should be ? I can find the rpm directories but need the ISO's ;)

Re:Location of ISO's Anybody ?

[SmlFreshwaterBuffalo]

These are 9.0 ISO's for i586 & higher:

• Australia
  
• ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/
• Austria
  
• ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna)
• 
  Czech Republic
  
• ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/
• http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)
• 
  France
  
• ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
• ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
• 
  United States
  
• ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake /iso/ (California)
• ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/iso (NY)
• ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

Re:Location of ISO's Anybody ?

[crizh]

I may be wrong but..

The rc3 files that are on all the other mirrors are the finals.

They have the same file sizes and checksums.

They claim to be 9.0 during install.

They have simply been synced to the mirrors as rc3 to avoid the mirrors getting slashdotted early.

Iso's 1 and 2 were uploaded on the 23rd and iso 3 was uploaded on the 24th.

The mirrors that haven't changed the names yet aren't slashdotted.......

my favorite PC term

[commodoresloat]

PC folks used to write "s/he" to mean "she or he", but since "s/he" only accounts for males and females of animate species, the more all-encompassing abbreviation should be "s/h/it."

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[Anonymous Coward]

It will have more support than 8.2 yes, but as to whether it will support your exact cards you'll need to list them, obviously.

ok

[kingkade]

Any distro that uses RPM's for their primary or only packaging system sucks

All generalizations are dangerous, even this one.

CR-RW vs CD-R for operating systems

[billstewart]

CD-R works on a lot more machines; unless you've upgraded all your machines, CD-R is much more portable. For a while the drives were more expensive, and slower, though they're pretty cheap by now. The ability to reuse the disk for CD-RW is theoretically nice, but CD-Rs cost ~US$0.15 on sale, or 0.25-0.50 not on sale , while the CD-RWs I bought the other day were about $1 on sale. I'd rather keep archives / backups / spares of my data around, and CD-Rs have become the new floppy disk. Also, you can't overwrite the things by accident.

Re:CR-RW vs CD-R for operating systems

[ottothecow]

About a month ago I got 100 memorex CDRrs from target for about $.05 each (and the 100 spindle was only a dollar more than the 50)

I think its a pretty good deal being the CDRs are (I think) rated to 32x but they burn perfectly at 48x without any errors that I have found so far

If Red Hat 8.0...

[tanksimpson]

ever sees you in real life - it will kick your ass!

Update: Oh, BTW, Red Hat!

[matthewn]

I wish I could moderate the update to this post as Offtopic.

Mirrors!

[(v)Jargon(v)]

Here is a list of the Mandrake Mirrors

Australia ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/

Austria ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso / (Vienna)

Czech Republic ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/ ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)

France ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/
(Lyon)
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/
(Nancy)

United States ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrak e/iso/
(California)
ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mand rake/iso
(NY)
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

Last modified: Wed Sep 25 12:52:31 2002

Focus of linux

[Daath]

the focus should still be on the overall development of the. kernel

The kernel development is important - but the important thing, no the mission, for distributions like mandrake is bringing linux to the desktop - this is very, very important!

If we get a lot more people interested, the quality will become better, and hey, we might even attract gifted people that could end up giving a lot to the community.

Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso is now 89% downloaded - Can't wait even though I'm happy with my SuSE 8 installation :)

mirrors from /. Mandrake site

[jayteedee]

Australia
ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso

Austria
gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna)

Czech Republic
mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/

ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)

France
fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)

United States
ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/iso/ (California)
ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandra ke/mandrake/is o (NY)
mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

All mirrors are hammered, of course!
I was able to get on in Australia, but good luck.

Java not the issue, plugin in Mozilla was ...

[buchanmilne]

The whole issue with Java is that, being built with gcc2.9x, it can't interface to C++ code compiled with gcc3.2.

So Mandrake 9.0 ships with Mozilla compiled with gcc2.96, so Java works fine. Been using the plugin on cooker quite a bit in the last few weeks (webCDwriter, which really rocks).

Re:Not to troll?

[FCAdcock]

I agree for most posta. If a Windows user posts and lists reasons why he prefers windows to linux, that isn't always a troll. If he comes out and gives reasons why linux sucks, then there is reason to mod down that post. I feel that the whole modding system on Slashdot has become a way to promote Linux and to dismiss Windows. I haven't ever seen a pro-windows post that was modded up. Slashdot keeps giving the same people mod points when it should instead give different people those points. Instead of giving 20 people 5 points each, maybe 100 people should be given 1 point each. More people= more points of view. Mod me down, I don't freaking care. I'm not a Karma Whore, I'm just a whore.

Re:Not to troll?

[leviramsey]

counter-productive to everything this page is supposed to stand for.

Q: What is this page supposed to stand for?

GeForce4 support

[JWhiton]

When I installed Mandrake 8.2, it didn't detect my GeForce4, so I had to do a bunch of wacky stuff to get it working. Does anyone know if 9.0 can detect 'em? How does it go about installing the nVidia drivers?

Re:GeForce4 support

[Anonymous Coward]

What@! (*&Q@#$...rebuild X, are you kidding?

MDK 8.2 should load the generic nv.o driver by default, but to get the optimized drivers,just download the kernel and GLX src.rpm's (source RPM's) and build/install them (rpm --rebuild, and then rpm -ivh on the resulting rpms).

Once you have them installed, just edit your /etc/X11/XF86config-4...where it says "nv.o" change it to "nvidia.o", done!

This is all in the NVidia readme.

Always take the least drastic solution.

Get the TweakUI kit for Windows

[Anonymous Coward]

Your standard Windows 2K installs will try to make some sense of the Linux partitions, which they won't be able to do. TweakUI, a control panel containing a mixmash of several different tweaks to the Win interface, allows you to specify which partitions you'd like to have available under the My Computer window. Problem solved. (for me at least, it nearly drove me insane till I found a way to stop it).
Steve, the anonymous coward

urpmi tutorial

[buchanmilne]

I maintain a number of Mandrake servers and desktops, and also run cooker on one machine, and have run RCs on a few more.

In the end, set up an updates source:

# urpmi.addmedia updates ftp://mirror/path/to/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz
# urpmi --auto-select

Then, in future, just run:
# urpmi.update updates
# urpmi --auto-select

You can also do it with the normal distro (but doesn't need urpmi.update), new RPMs in the new MandrakeCLUB unsupported directory in the mandrake-devel mirrors, and some peoples RPMs (like Texstar and me).

You can customise what will not get updated (/etc/urpmi/skip.list), and what will be installed instead of updated (/etc/urpmi/inst.list). For example, you will need to manually specify the kernel to install:

# urpmi kernel-2.4.18.13mdk

Of course, you can do this all with the rpmdrake gui, but some people were whining about no console-only support ...

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[JoeBuck]

If community is important to you, then Debian is the flavor you want.

List of mirrors

[woobieman29]

For those that cannot get to the /.'ed Mandrake mirrors page:

Australia

ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/Mandrake/iso/

Austria

ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna)
Czech Republic

ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/

ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno)
France

ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
United States

ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake /iso/ (California)

ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/Mandrake/mandr ake/iso (NY)

ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)

Buy the distro!

[buchanmilne]

The commercial distro ships with NVidia drivers.

There will be drivers on Mandrakeclub soon.

Otherwise, you must download and rebuild, install, and run XFdrake again.

There were some rumours that the GF4 was working with the latest XFree86 (4.2.1) packages, but haven't tested myself.

A Quick Review

[InodoroPereyra]

For what it's worth, here go my fist impressions after more than a day running it (I dowloaded the newsest rc3 ISOs yesterday, I believe they were renamed as "final" later). Here is what I liked the most:

• Supermount. This is so cool. Get floppys and CDs in and out without need for mounting/umounting. I hope the patch makes it to 2.4.* and 2.6.* . Applying the patch is NOT trivial at this point.
• RPM manager. I forgot the name, but the graphical interface to urpmi is very sweet. This is a killer (yeah, kind of apt/get I know). For instance, I forgot to install LaTeX. So I go afterwards:
  Control-Center -> Software Management ->Install Software
  Then I search for "tex", I get a list of packages, I can see descriptions of each, I select some, it tells me that I will need some more to satisfy dependeces, I say OK, it tells me what CD to put in, THATS freaking it !. Sweet.
• Control Center. Very useful, most configuration can be done consistently from there.
• Menus . Very friendly way of organizing the menus, and consistency across different desktop environments.
• Installation Easy, simple, good looking, intuitive, very, very nice. Had some problems with the ATI 128 mobility card though, luckily I had an old config file around !

In short, it is a great distro. It gives you the feeling of a consistent operating system, not just a collection of free software. But nothing is perfect. Mandrake's configuration utilities are very nice for basic, typical stuff, but they'll need some work in future releases to cover more complex situations. That's the main drawback I found. I cannot really use ONLY their tools for everything. But they are getting there.

Overall, I have the feeling that they are not as mature as RedHat, but they have many other advantages as I said before. I hope they build on 9.0 . It is already a great release, and so far my best Linux experience. If they just keep improving what they have right now (as opposed to adding new tools/functionality), the next release will be far ahead of the rest of the distros, at least to my taste and needs.

Thank you Mandrake, I am having so much fun :-)

Re:Not to troll?

[Anonymous Coward]

lol omg wtf, stfu!

The most important question

[fatquack]

Which version of NetHack does it contain? It is not on the packagelist.

Re:The most important question

[Salsaman]

I'm not sure if you're serious, but anyway NetHack Falconseye was included in 8.2. I'd imagine that it will be there in 9.0 as well.

Re:The most important question

[fatquack]

See, that version hasn't been upgraded to 3.4.0 yet, so the poor Mandrake users have to do without the latest of the greatest. :-)

APT for RPM.

[IpSo_]

apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

Thats all I've used since version 7 of Mandrake, it works great!

http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/42

Dude. up2date.

[Anonymous Coward]

Red Hat's up2date mechanism automatically downloads and installs dependencies for the software packages you have installed. Use up2date -u for the whole system, or up2date [package-name] for a specific package. It's great stuff.

Off topic: Browser language preferences

[Michael Woodhams]

Following the 'non-swamped' press release link, I have now doubled the number of web sites I know of that pay attention to your browser language preferences.

Some time ago, I set my preferences to (1) Latin, (2) French, (3) English (despite being monolingual) just to see what sites would notice. Until a few minutes ago, the exhaustive list of sites I had found that did so was: Google*. (Not even the Quebec government site noticed!)

With my alledged French preference, Mandrakesoft came up with a little message saying (in English!) that the release was not available in my prefered language, and gave me a link to the English version.

* Except that I generally get there via bookmark with a URL demanding Google in Sweedish Chef instead - which overrides the language preference.) Occasionally a link somehow looses the URL-supplied preference, and then Google switches to Latin for me.

Deja Vu

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow, I could've sworn I submitted this story like 4-5 hours ago.

(I love trolling.)

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[Anonymous Coward]

Make sure that you have the plug and play option in your BIOS turned off, worked for me!

Mandrake NTFS read-write could repair Win XP.

[Futurepower(R)]

The press release says, "NTFS partitions are now supported (read-only)."

When they can supply NTFS read-write, Mandrake could be used to repair problems with Windows XP. (Windows XP cannot copy some of its own files, even if the files you are trying to copy are not on the partition from which the system was booted. No, I am not kidding.) See Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going. if you don't believe me. The third-party tools for read-write to NTFS are expensive, or have shortcomings.

Re:Mandrake NTFS read-write could repair Win XP.

[Chokolad]

See Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going. [hevanet.com] if you don't believe me.
Wow, one of the dumbest Microsoft bashing articles I ever read.

Slashdot effect [tm]

[Jantastic]

From their page [http://pst.mandrakesoft.com/]:

" Note: Due to the "Slashdhot effect" you are curently at a temporary location."

Spelling error and emphasis not mine this time.
I am looking for a new place to live - now I know why: it's the slashdot effect!

Dumb Question (re:Ga?l)

[Apostata]

Why is it that on the Slashdot mainpage, his name is "Ga?l", but on the story page, it's "Gaël"?

Suck Me

[Anonymous Coward]

If I had any mod points (or an account, for that matter), I would mod your fucking twat-ass down becasue you are a tiddering sack of shit. Here's my *reason*: you are *clearly* a tiddering sack of shit.

Blah blah blah, fucking fucker fucker.

Another mirror

[cureless]

You can download from here to:

sluglug ftp

cl

Re:Another mirror

[cureless]

s/to/too

Not available on P2P?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just checked out Kazaa to see about getting the iso's. No luck?!? Aren't there any distributed file sharing services used for this kind of thing? If not, why not?

Wow, UCR.

[TheDanish]

UCR's hosting ISOs. They're very brave to be one of the only sites listed for ISOs in the US (so are theo thers, but I attend UCR, so :p). Well, cool. They, btw, are very big on Linux. Afaik, most of the profs require you to make your software under Linux, and most of their desktops boot to Linux. I'm a CS major there, but I'm not taking any CS courses for at least two semesters (I'm a freshman), so I can't say for sure. :/

Hot Damn!

[Anonymous Coward]

I went to their presentation site, and first off, this banner on the top of the page was classic- if not Taco-esk:

"Note: Due to the "Slashdhot effect" you are curently at a temporary location"

But wow the UI looks incredible! Plug in a USB device and an icon appears on the desktop? Wow! The configuration windows are awesome, and am I blind or do they make KDE and GNOME look gorgeous?

Now, do they have an NVidia driver I can install so I can throw up Tuxracer and Q3 and the like to game? If so, Redhat just might become a thing of the past.....damn that looks nice!

Awesome job Mandrake-soft.

What is this page supposed to stand for?

[Anonymous Coward]

Free pr0n, software and mp3's?

All we are saying, is give pr0n a chance,
All we are saying, is give pr0n a chance.

zach

Re:What is this page supposed to stand for?

[unicron]

I have to agree with him. /. these days is about misinterpreting free speech laws. I'm surrounded by people that think any software developer and/or musician that might want to profit from their craft is evil, as are their management. It's pretty sad actually, that so many people can justify theft and copy-right violations to themselves.

Are you drunk?

[BrunoC]

Slashdot people should read their own posts. Why the hell are you linking to a story that has just been posted *before* this one??? And what the hell does Mandrake 9 have anything to do with RedHat 8 leaking???

A little known slashdot secret

[Anonymous Coward]

All the oroginal people who used Linux in the past as a status symbol have already switched to more obscure operating systems like Netbsd...

Its amusing to see /. elitism is about 3 years behind the rest of the hacker community. If you go on undernet and tell them that Mandrake is for n00bs they will tell you that all linux distros are for n00bs. Even Slackware and especially Gentoo.

Besides the fact that 95% of /. readers are WINDOWS USERS, its amusing that many still feel that using a linux distro like Slackware gives them some kind of status over Mandrake users.

If you're a linux user then you're lame! And aint nothing gonna change that. :)

yea whatever

[mao che minh]

If they include the Wild Eeep, I'm sold.

Testing my Faith

[OzJimbob]

I have been a fan of Mandrake, but it's been a love-hate relationship. I have always found 7.2 to be the most complete, stable release, and have constantly been annoyed with every release afterwards feeling fundamentally incomplete. Here's a list of "first day" impressions of Mandrake 8.2. The idea was great; the execution wasn't. Bugs were everywhere, the configuration utilities didn't do their job properly, there was poor interface design in places. It just felt like they were pushed to release it before they had done any REAL indepth testing. Or, more likely, that they were so obsessed with being on the bleeding edge and releasing early, that they forgot about quality control.

I have experienced this with pretty much every Mandrake version I've tried. You can see the distribution SHOULD be good, just just end up wishing the damn thing would work like it's supposed to. And on the issue of version numbers; I can understand them moving major version numbers quickly; I think the problem is more with the minor version numbers. So, I had problems with 8.0 - I try 8.1 and I just get a pile of new features (and mistakes) instead of bug fixes and increased stability. I try version 8.2, same thing happened. Surely minor versions should focus on perfecting the suite of software included with the major version?

So, I'm worried about 9.0. Will I be dissapointed again? I've switched to FreeBSD on my server box because, despite it's minimalist slant, it just WORKS well, without frustrating bugs (also...I couldn't upgrade to Mandrake because my server only has 32mb of RAM. Why would you need more than 32mb to do a FTP install??)

Re:Testing my Faith

[swv3752]

I found RC2 to be remarkably good.

I just saw the presentation...

[Perdition]

and my credit card just happened to pop into my hand. Wow. Seriously, I love drake for several reasons which have already been listed above, and I'm not gonna vote for drake in some silly poll that has Cowboy Neal in it. I'm voting with cold, hard, plastic, debt-generating credit!

WOO!

Re:Hey Levi!

[leviramsey]

It figures that a jarhead would get confused by all the "Reply to This" links on the page....

Red Hat vs. Mandrake

[FunkyELF]

I'm new to linux. I used Red Hat for a week and some of my mounts would become unmounted after a reboot. Also, the text in any web browser i used was ugly and unreadable. I used Mandrake after that, and WOW, all my partitions and cd-drives were mounted for me automatically from the start. But had the same problem with the web browser. Then I formated my windows (my OS only partition) partition and i lost the partition that i kept everything else on. So in fixing that problem with norton utilities, i lost my linux partitions and haven't run it since. My question...Besides the installation and initialization, what does one distro have over the other? Also, are there programs out there that will only run on KDE and not Gnome, or programs that will run only on Red Hat and not Mandrake?

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[Arandir]

My impression was that folks were a bit snottier.

Well, the people on the BSD lists do take their list charters much more seriously. For example, the freebsd-newbies list is not for technical questions. It's in the charter and once a week a reminder is posted telling everyone not to post technical questions. If you ask a technical question on -newbies expect to be flamed.

p.s. Of course, if you post a technical question to a list populated by newbies, you should not be expecting any correct technical answers.

Still want mirrors?

[AvitarX]

I am having luck with the other architecures section (including i486). The sights still say i586 for the folder though, so I am hoping it is that. Anyway, there are rc3 files there with the same MD5 sum as on mandrakes sight.

w00t w00t

Trolling?

[baxshep]

Is that all you've got? What are you-a ROTC cadet or something? Too bad you're not on the west coast. We could see if you can walk the walk. Although I doubt you can backup your big words. So were you just trolling or what?

Re:Trolling?

[leviramsey]

Me troll?

Never in a million years...

Sawfish is not lightweight.

[Tord]

Sorry, but Sawfish is actually quite heavy on resources nowadays, much thanks to feature creep combined with its built in interpreter, running interpreted code in realtime.

I don't have any hard numbers here right now, but I remember seeing a comparison of memory consumption in window managers, landing Sawfish around 2-3 megs, making it one of the heaviest in the test.

Both blackbox and IceWM is much lighter.

Re:Hey Levi!

[Anonymous Coward]

Shut the fuck up babykiller.

More mirrors

[tubabeat]

Also at...
ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrak e/Mandr ake/iso/

NOTE: this is Mandrake/Mandrake/iso not the promising looking Mandrake-iso directory.

This site is also mirrored on mirror.ac.uk (http or ftp) for those in the UK

Looks cool

[pointwood]

Since I last tried Mandrake (7.x I think), it looks like it has become a lot better. Especially the configuration tools looks much more well-arranged and usefriendly. I have found the previous versions confusing.

A question

[Salsaman]

I have MDK 8.2 on my desktop machine, which I keep pretty current from the Cooker. Is there any point in me upgrading to 9.0 ? Will I gain anything which I wouldn't otherwise get from Cooker ?

Not just for Newbies

[Thnurg]

Having used Unix since 1992, GNU/Linux since 1998, and successfully building Linux From Scratch I'm not a newbie. But Mandrake is still my distro of choice.
While on the surface it has an easy to use GUI for just about anything it is still GNU/Linux under the hood, and can still be hacked through config files if you like that sort of thing. After all, the GUI is just a front end to the config files.
The purists out there can have no quarrel with Mandrake since it is both LSB1.2 compliant and 100% free software.
The only problem I have with Mandrake is that they neglect to use the word GNU in the name, but apart from that Mandrake is easily the best general purpose distro out there for both newbies and old farts alike.

really hope so.

[mrselfdestrukt]

I've been a Mandrake fan for a long time now and even defended it bravely against other distro's , but 8.2 really dissapointed me. I felt like the whole distro treated me like a newbie trying out GNU/Linux for the very first time. That pissed me off and I went back to FreeBSD and then back to Mandrake 8.0 after I needed to run some customized perl stuff.Now, I'm ready to try an update again ,but I'm too damned scared that 9.0 might suck even harder! I won't easily change to another distro (tried most of them),but I'd hate to listen to another buddy looking over my shoulder at the install saying"Hey dude,that really sucks!What's that Linux for dummies?" and not having to say " Oooohh, shit, you're right man! What happened to Mandrake?"
Let's try it and see anyway. I'd like to think of myself as a power user with 8 yrs exp in most *nixes and not some script kiddie that wants to play games in X.

you morons dissing RED hat over the KDE flap

[Anonymous Coward]

"Diversity is a strength of Free Software: This is why MandrakeSoft not only provides the two leading graphical environments KDE and GNOME, but also WindowMaker 0.8, IceWM 1.2, Enlightenment 0.16.5, BlackBox 0.62 and others as an option. All Mandrake users will be pleased to discover that application menus are consistent across all the various graphical desktop environments. "

Mandrake has been already doing this for a long time. You guys are all stupid clueless and useless trolls. That just run around and attack things without any facts.

http://pst.mandrakesoft.com/index.php#3

P2P Mirrors?

[redcliffe]

Has anyone got this on Gnutella or giFT or Freenet? Using these networks to distribute ISO's is a perfect thing to do emphasize how P2P can be used for more than copyright breaking. I just checked giFT and it doesn't seem to be there....

All you need to do is just confirm the MD5sum to make sure it's not been tampered with. So if you have this - please upload to a P2P network!!! :-) Thanks

Re:Not to troll?

[Zemran]

If his reasons are valid opinions I can see no reason to mod him down. I am a linux advocate but I know of many winders users with good and valid reasons to prefer winders. I will mod up anyone that gives a good debate regardless of their point of view. I cannot remember the last time I modded down. I would only do it for abuse or bad troll. I do not even mod down a good troll because if it is well written I am likely to see it as good humour but maybe off topic.

Sign me up!

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh boy!

An OS that destroys filesystems!
A distribution that does not follow posix standards!

Authors that do not care about the above.

My opinion is, Buy American, stay safe.

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[chadm1967]

I agree. There does seem to be more of a "community" feel with FreeBSD.

Re:Community is what counts for me, not new featur

[LM741N]

Thanks for all the replies. I will take a serious look at Debian.

hope you can read german

[Anonymous Coward]

and soon they'll have all the manuals and tech support for version 7 translated from german!

Correction Please

[Futurepower(R)]

Would you care to mention one way in which the article is wrong?

Re:Correction Please

[Anonymous DWord]

Well, saying things like "Very few people realize that Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows ME (all closely related to each other) were designed to crash." is pretty moronic. It's kind of hard to take the rest of it seriously.

Re:Correction Please

[owain_vaughan]

United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales)

Thanks, that was so useful. Perhaps you could also list all the US states in brackets everytime you use the phrase 'United States'

Not redundant when it was posted.

[Anonymous Coward]

Moderator: This was not redundant when it was posted.

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[Drachemorder]

Do any of the distros use ALSA for sound by default?

Karma whoring

[ivanandre]

New list of mirrors, from mandrakes site Important note: new ISO images need at least 700MB CD-R. Austria ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Vienna) Czech Republic ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/iso/ ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/m andrake/iso/ (Prague) http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Brno) Denmark ftp://ftp.darenet.dk/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ Finland ftp://ftp.song.fi/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Espoo) France ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distribu tions/Mandrake/iso/ (Paris) ftp://ftp.cs.univ-paris8.fr/pub/linux/distribution s/mandrake/iso/ (Paris) ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake /iso/ (Paris) ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandr ake/iso/ (Paris) ftp://ftp.univ-lille1.fr/pub/os/linux/distribution s/mandrake/iso/ (Lille) Germany ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandra ke/iso/ (Esslingen) ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Goettingen) ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/Mandrake/ Mandrake/iso/ (Munchen) Ireland ftp://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ Netherlands ftp://ftp.cs.uu.nl/mirror/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/ iso/ (Utrecht) Russia ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/mandrake/iso/ (Chernogolovka) ftp://ftp.kiae.su/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ ftp://ftp.kiarchive.ru/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ Slovakia ftp://hq.alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake /iso/ Sweden ftp://ftp.chello.se/pub/Linux/Mandrake/iso/ ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/os/mandrake/iso/ (Dalarma) Switzerland ftp://ftp.pcds.ch/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Neuhausen) Taiwan ftp://linux.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/pub/mandrake/iso/ ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/pub/mandrake/iso/ United Kingdom ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/un ix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/iso/ (Canterbury) United States ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/iso/ (Florida) ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake /iso/ (California) ftp://ftp.stealth.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.mandrake.com /Mandrake/iso/ ftp://ftp.umr.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/iso/ (Missouri) ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/mandrake/Mandra ke/iso/ (Hawaii)

Re:Not to troll?

[AvitarX]

I actually disagree wiith your windows stuff not getting modded up. It doesn't happen as often, but a well written post that is pro windows gets points. Of course a fairly good pro linux post would get just as many (instead of redundant?)

Krufty Krapp

[Anonymous Coward]

I use a REAL MAN's Os... DOS 4.0!

Only DOS has direct access to hardware -- no certificates, tokens, or other messy schemes!

Only DOS has killer apps like WordStar!

Only DOS comes on five-inch floppies! ... er... ...wait...

a mirror that WORKS!

[erikdotla]

http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/Mandrake/is o/

I found this in the FTP "too many users" response message. I figured since it wasn't clickable, or copy/pastable, that nobody would go there.

I was right and got a great download speed, even while every mirror on the MDK site was totally booked.

Of course, I'm only posting it now that I have my ISOs and no longer have a need for it. So, slashdot away!

I changed the wording to...

[Futurepower(R)]

At the introduction of Windows 95, there was a big discussion of this. A computer magazine columnist persuaded Microsoft to double the allocation of resources, from 64k to 128k.

So that it will seem less bothersome, I changed the wording to "Few people realize that Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows ME (all closely related to each other) were designed in such a way that it was inevitable that they would crash."

You are right, the language was bad. The facts are good.

Would you care to mention something else that should be corrected?

If you visit the article again, press Reload on your browser so that you don't see the old version: Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

Can't burn leaves, so I'll burn Karma

[Keith Russell]

Would you care to mention one way in which the article is wrong?

Given the number of assertions that are unproven, anectodal, and/or cited without source, I don't think I could come up with just one.

Well, OK. I'll knock a few off...

1. Launch a Command Prompt (not "DOS Prompt", mind you), and type START /?. Note that START's default behavior is to return control to the command line immediately. Also note that this behavior is identical to START on Windows 2000.
2. A government that uses proprietary software is not an independent government, regardless of who the Evil Empire of the decade is.
3. The entire section titled "This article is support for your own investigation." It takes a lot of chutzpah for someone with an axe to grind to say "Anyone who disagrees with me just has an axe to grind."
4. Typing "hate %LARGE_CORPORATION%" into Google only proves that there's a lot of righteous indignation on the web.

Good points

[Futurepower(R)]

1. Yes, but it doesn't always work. Apparently it fails when started from an instance of the command.com command processor. The behavior is different from Windows 98 SE, where it works as advertised.

2. True.

3. Okay, I've made that section clearer by including these sentences at the beginning: "If you don't have enough technical knowledge to evaluate the thoughts presented here, do not simply believe the author of this article. Find someone with technical knowledge who can help you." The new version is live now; anyone re-visiting the article should press Reload in their browser so that they don't see the version in their browser cache instead of the one on the web.

4. You're right. That section needs to be re-written. The point is valid, however. There is an amazing depth of dislike of Microsoft.

Re:But is it any faster - VI hogs CPU on RXVT quit

[Anonymous Coward]

i have 8.2 running on a 133/64m just fine. disk is a tad slow. run vmstat to check your bottleneck.

one Big problem i found, is if i X out an RXVT window, 'top' shows VI hoging 99% of CPU.

anybody know why?

What worries me ...

[Scholasticus]

is what happens when they get to the next full point version. Will it be called Mandrake-Linux X? And after that, will the incremental versions be something like Mandrake-Linux X 10.2 (Cheetah)? Will there then be televeision commercials starring fake ordinary people who used to use another OS and couldn't figure it out so they switched to Mandrake? It's all very confusing.

Urpmi parallel

[imann]

A mis-known feature of 9.0 is the parallel version of urpmi. This tool allow people to deploy RPMS to a group of linux hosts using an intelligent parallel copy.
I've tried this option in cooker and it rocks !

How does it works:
You create a group of hosts so the server can ask the nodes (using urpmi) to prepare for an update/install of packages.
Each computer tell the server the packages it needs then the server copy in parallel (using ka-tools) the rpms on the nodes (that's very fast even for a hudge number of nodes).After that, nodes update their system using local rpms !
This feature seems to be designed for clusters but should be used by admins !
Another point for urpmi vs apt-get

Someone from Wales complained...

[Futurepower(R)]

Hey, you know that, but many people don't. Someone from Wales complained, so I enumerated all the countries.

Re:Whine for Pine... Where is it?

[AdamWill]

I believe it's kept in PLF, where stuff that can't go in Mandrake for legal, patent, license etc reasons goes. http://plf.zarb.org

I would have been happy with

[Anonymous Coward]

A fix to msec. It took me months to find out that it was msec that was enabling the "list all users" option in kdm.

Re:I installed Mandrake 8.2, but the sound and NIC

[Anonymous Coward]

Bullshit...I have a standarb SB 16 card...worked fine in 8.2 but,not a peep from it in 9.0!
Still shows up in the bios on boot and I even see the module loading but,no sound in X windows at all...no idea what's wrong....I didn't change anything...just upgraded from 8.2 to 9.0
can't wait to see what else is broken

Last Post!

[alpg]

A disciple of another sect once came to Drescher as he was eating
his morning meal. "I would like to give you this personality test", said
the outsider, "because I want you to be happy."
Drescher took the paper that was offered him and put it into the
toaster -- "I wish the toaster to be happy too".

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