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Chrysler Adopts Linux For Vehicle Simulations
eMilkshake writes "According to this ComputerWorld article, Chrysler is adopting Linux for vehicle crash testing. According to the article, 'the new system is expected to improve simulation performance by 20%, while saving about 40% in costs....'" Insert knee-jerk reaction joke about computers and crashing here.
The article doesn't mention the software used for the simulations themselves... anyone else curious as to what it is and who is writing it or providing it?
What OS will the crash test dummies run?
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
Better served by windows.
Seems the obvious choice. Otherwise you'd have to use Windows.
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Hiring a couple *nix hackers/gurus is a lot more cost effective then spending millions on Windows licenses. The only obvious block in moving to Linux is if the particular software package was not available. I hope this makes cars cheaper as we wont have to support the high Windows license costs everytime we buy a car!
Multiple Intel Xeons, a few terabytes of gigabit speed network storage. I wonder what FPS they get in Tux Racer. :)
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What's this Submit thingy do?
HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"
Customer: "I got in my car and closed the door and nothing happened!"
HelpLine: "Did you put the key in the ignition slot and turn it?"
Customer: "What's an ignition?"
HelpLine: "It's a starter motor that draws current from your battery
and turns over the engine."
Customer: "Ignition?Motor?Battery?Engine?How come I have to
know all these technical terms just to use my car?"
I was going to say that Microsoft could compliment it's "Switch to XP" ad campaign with "Linux Crashes", but that would be too easy.
There's another article at eWeek.com: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642716,00.asp
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After running a simulation on windows to simulate a simulation crash of their testing simulations.
--"The perfect example of the man of action is the suicide." - William Carlos Williams
Chrysler Group is using a new Linux cluster computer for crash simulation testing and analysis in an effort to make safer cars and trucks.
Well I guess using Linux makes sense for crash simulation testing. While Linux can simulate a crash, Windows will ACTUALLY crash.
Headline, six months from now:
The more I learn about the Internet, the more amazed I am that it works at all.
sheesh, use a grammar checker
MS-DOS: You get in the car and try to remember where you put the keys.
WINDOWS: You get in the car and drive to the store very slowly, because attached to the back of the car is a freight train.
MAC SYSTEM 8: You get in the car to go to the store and the car drives you to church.
UNIX: You get in the car and type GREP STORE. After reaching 2000 mph en route, you arrive at the barber's shop.
WINDOWS NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says 'go to the store'. Then you get out of the car and nail the letter to the dashboard.
TALIGENT/PINK: You walk to the store with Ricardo Montalban who tells you how wonderful it will be when he can fly you to the store in his Learjet.
OS/2: After fuelling up with 6000 gallons of gas you get in the car and drive to the store with a motorcycle escort and a marching band in procession. Halfway there, the car blows up, killing everyone in town.
S/36 SSP: You get in the car and drive to the store. Halfway there you run out of gas. While walking the rest of the way you are run over by kids on mopeds.
AS/400: An attendant kicks you into the car and then drives you to the store where you watch everyone else buy filets mignon.
BeOSYour car goes faster, looks better, draws amazed stares everywhere you go, and has amazing preformance. Yet, when you try to fill it up, you find that it is incompatable with almost all know gas products.
Once
There were these guys who
Thought that using Linux would
Improve their product's safety
And when
they fin'ly did it
They found
Gates had set fire to their work
He said that it was because
The Sherman act had smacked him
sooooo hard
mmmmm mmmm mmmm mmm
mmmmm mmmm mmmm mmm
Ah, the good ol' Crash Test Dummies...we hardly knew ye.
We now have confirmed reports from an informed Orange County minister that Ethel is still an active communist.
There's yet another article at News.com.com.com: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-962661.html
For all you windows pirates out there you can always say you are running FreeBSOD.
And how precisely are they going to save money ? And save money relative to what ? The old system ? (I kind of doubt it) The same hardware system with a proprietay OS ? Maintenance costs ?
This article has all the characteristics of a "negative" FUD.
The Raven.
The Raven
The technical name for Step #3 is "Insert Miracle Here".
The bitter lessons of a veteran coder: http://bitterprogrammer.blogspot.com
On the off chance that you actually read the article, you'll see that they're replacing Unix machines, not Windows, with Linux. This is a no-brainer, especially since their software is probably custom-developed and can easily be recompiled under GNU/Linux.
If a thing is not diminished by being shared, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned & not shared. S. Augustine
HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"
,000 for this car!Now you tell me that
Customer: "My car ran fine for a week and now it won't go anywhere!"
HelpLine: "Is the gas tank empty?"
Customer: "Huh?How do I know?"
HelpLine: "There's a little gauge on the front panel with a needle
and markings from 'E' to 'F'.Where is the needle
pointing?"
Customer: "It's pointing to 'E'.What does that mean?"
HelpLine: "It means you have to visit a gasoline vendor and purchase
some more gasoline.You can install it yourself or pay
the vendor to install it for you."
Customer: "What?I paid
I have to keep buying more components?I want a car that
comes with everything built in!"
HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"
Customer: "Your cars suck!"
HelpLine: "What's wrong?"
Customer: "It crashed, that's what wrong!"
HelpLine: "What were you doing?"
Customer: "I wanted to run faster, so I pushed the accelerator pedal
all the way to the floor.It worked for a while and then
it crashed and it won't start now!
HelpLine: "It's your responsibility if you misuse the product.What
do you expect us to do about it?"
Customer: "I want you to send me one of the latest version that
doesn't crash any more!"
HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"
Customer: "Hi, I just bought my first car, and I chose your car
because it has automatic transmission, cruise control,
power steering, power brakes, and power door locks."
HelpLine: "Thanks for buying our car.How can I help you?"
Customer: "How do I work it?"
HelpLine: "Do you know how to drive?"
Customer: "Do I know how to what?"
HelpLine: "Do you know how to drive?"
Customer: "I'm not a technical person.I just want to go places
in my car!"
It says the Linux solution saves 40% over the prior Unix solution, but it doesn't say what the prior solution is. Are the savings here really coming from using Linux, or just from using cheap commodity hardware clustered together?
...especially for a public announcement. I remember a while ago Microsoft was touting their big thing with how their clustering was going to out-do anything opensource with a few months, yet more and more large corporations, and not simply startups or new, tech-savvy ones, are adopting Linux or some other form of open source instead. I hope this demonstrates a continuing shift away from poorly written server code to something more viable and of better spec.
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
Four men rode in a car, a mechnical engineer, an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a computer engineer. The car stalled out.
The mechnical engineer said it must be the pistons, let's repair them and we'll be okay.
The electrical engineer said it has to be the spark plugs, we'll replace them and be ready to roll.
The chemical engineer said it's got to be bad gas, we'll flush the system and be on our way.
They turned to the computer engineer. What do you think we should do?
Let's get out of the car and get back in.
Isn't the full name Daimler Chrysler?
Windows would crash before the car could!
Windows crashes pretty well....
The article make no mention of a switch from Windows, it's a switch from Unix.
Nope, not karma-starved, just writing slowly while the previous RTFA'er submitted. Without using the +1 bonus. Take it easy, I just replied rather than using a mod point to drop your comment.
Oh yeah, never have done crack. Quite happy with my fucking life, and the rest of my life is pretty good, too.
1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
So this might explain why the SGI Octane I just bought off eBay had chrysler.com nameservers referenced in it. /me wonders
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
Due to pressure from the FSF, since Linux was used as part of the car production process, GM will be forced to release the 2003 GNU/Taurus.
# Erik
...just kidding.
So wait a minute, you save money by using Linux? Are you telling me that the folks at MS are lying and that the TCO for Winodws isn't lower?
I thought that paying $200 for every copy of Windows and regular forced "update fees" would be cheaper than buying one Debian GNU/Linux CD and then updating using apt for free.
Are you telling me that a product which costs less and functions equivalently will actually save you money? That doesn't make any sense. Microsoft says it doesn't.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Well of course they're going to use linux.
Can you imagine the price of all those new Windows XP licences they would have to buy to replace all those damaged computers?
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
It won't be funny, but watch, someone will do it anyway
Well, its a good thing they chose Linux instead of Windows.
Now they won't have to worry about the system crashing before the car
Windows is much better in crashing.
...nah, forget it.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
That's not true for home users, though. That market will come eventually, but we'll see Linux on corporate desktops before it's widely used in the non-geek home market.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
This is the one time were Linux users are happy that their OS is crashing.
grep >= ! == $your
What sort of happy crappy candyland are you living in where linux doesn't crash?
All operating systems crash, bub.
Yes, even linux.
Shocking, I know.
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pants ahoy
Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!
C'mon, people, you can think of better material than this.
Err... yes!, Linux?, crash?, Crysler?, Linus doesn't write in linux-kernel for a few days... Oh my god, it's true. They hit Linus!!!
sgis ddo ekil t'nod i
This comment alone attached to the end of the story just forced me to read that article.
props to CowboyNeal!
~knee-jerk reaction joke about computers and crashing~
Don't you mean WINDOWS and crashing? This despite the fact that neither 2000 nor XP has crashed on me in any significant way in three and a half years?
Whereas every Linux box I try to set up doesn't even fucking recognize half the shit I plug into it?
It said in the article that 18 simultaneous impacts can be conducted at once. Apart from emulating an autobahn pile-up, why do they want to do that ?
Semper ubi sub ubi
The next release of Tux Racer will have improved front and rear crumple zones, wing mounted side airbags, and will meet California emission standards.
134340: I am not a number. I am a free planet!
Yeah, well most people grew up with a car so they had experiences with all those terms and ideas, so that generally doesn't happen. Plus, you have to take drivers education class in most places in the US, so people are informed. Kids now a days have computers everywhere - at home, at school, on tv, etc. In a decade or so, a majority of these semi-stupid complaints will probably be replaced by more intelligen ones... like why do I shutdown my computer from the start men? ;)
[Yes, I realize this was for comic relief, but there was something else I thought was worth saying]
Matt
James Tiberius Kirk: "Spock, the women on your planet are logical. No other planet in the galaxy can make that claim."
Three developers were driving down the road when their car stops dead.
They sit in the car and the Unix developer sayes "I think it's a problem with the core of the car, the engine. It can probably be fixed with a little bit of tinkering."
The Apple developer sayes "No, I think that what ever is wrong must be a proprietary problem that we shouldn't mess with. Let's just have it towed to the manufacturer and wait until they fix it."
Then the Windows developer spoke up and said "Wait...lets close all the windows, get out of the car, get back into the car and open the windows again, that'll fix it."
OK, you also said they're engineers, but still...
I don't think you need a step three here.... step two just about says it all -- when you save millions, you automatically profit.
here's how it should be:
1. Make crappy cars that always have to be repaired
2. Spend millions on upgrading your system to Linux (down time costs money)
3. ???
4. Profit!
Oh, I'm sorry, I was in an alter-reality there for a moment when that unbelievably dumb joke you just shat up was funny. All apologies.
I thought the advantage that Linux brought was that it crashed LESS than the "other" brand software...
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Even when they might sound the same way...
You wern't actualy supposed to make the joke.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
you can expect to see Soccer-Mom driven Town and Country Minivans with "Powered by Linux"
stickers sported on the bumpers.
$cat
OK so they're using Linux to simulate car crashes, what will they use to simulate profits?
I think Enron used Windows.
You could just have provided a link, you know. As opposed to cut'n'pasting this outdated document.
WINDOWS NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says 'go to the store'. Then you get out of the car and nail the letter to the dashboard.
WTF?!
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
to not buy a Chrysler.
Hmm
:P
My wife's linux box at home(38 days ago our house lost power)
10:10pm up 38 days, 22:47, 5 users, load average: 2.13, 2.21, 2.57
A linux firewall at work(we performed a failover test 116 days ago)
21:45:39 up 116 days, 8:20, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
So i guess linux does crash when it loses power or when you purposely reboot it.
Maybe you are doing something ratherstupid if your linux installations constantly crash.
What happens when your knee smashes into your computer?
It crashes you Jerk
If you wouldn't type "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024" just to see what it does, then maybe your machine wouldn't crash so much ;-)
The application itself if not going to run on the cluster. The cluster is simply going to be used as a "compute farm" for solving the datasets and models produced by the application.
... will still all run on a UNIX/Windows workstation, but the solving will be done (very quickly) on a Red Hat cluster.
This is similar to what is happening in the animation industry. The LINUX boxes are simply going to "crunch" the numbers and feed the results back to an application running under Windows or high end UNIX workstations.
For a cheap "compute farm" cluster, you can't beat Red Hat Advanced Server with Xenon's.
We are planning to build a 16 node cluster next year for the same purpose as Chrysler. Again, the apps aren't running here, LS-Dyna, DynaForm, Hypermesh, FEMB etc
It just rocks!
1. Make reasonably affordable american cars. :P
2. Make rational IS decisions like adopting an inexpensive higher performing operating system on same hardware.
3. Develop inhouse application on the new systems which are easier and cheaper to develop on.
4. Benefit from incredibly higher uptimes which increase productivity and safety.
5. Profit
6. Repeat process throughout US.
7. US GDP Increases
8. Bill Gate's Accounting practices investigated by SEC.
9. Everyone laughs
linux crashes so often for me and I've lost so many filesystems due to the unsafe ext2fs that I've switched to the rock solid FreeBSD and have been happy ever since. It is so fitting that chrysler chosed linux to do its crash testing, because crashing is what the unstable unsafe linux kernel is best at!
I can already see next week's slashdot story: "Bob, friend of cousin of CowboyNeal, adopts Linux for home use."
I never said "constantly". Don't put words in my posts.
If you believe that Linux does not crash, you are a fool, plain and simple. I'm not saying it crashes all the time, or even frequently, or even once a year, but it does happen.
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pants ahoy
"player 4 hit player 1 with 0 stroms"
> For a cheap "compute farm" cluster, you can't beat Red Hat Advanced Server with Xenon's.
Must...not...make...noble...gases...joke.
It depends very much on the car. A foreign SUV or light truck has a 33% tariff. And, there is a small luxury tax on something like a BMW. There are property taxes and sales tax on transportation.
So it can add up, but that's if you're buying an imported BMW or Lexus SUV. If it's a small US car the taxes are minscule, even an American $50k SUV doesn't then it's only a few percent.
There is also taxes on the workers income, and any profit, but that's going to depend a lot on the country it's made in and where it's made. I could believe the 50% figure on an SUV made in Germany, but not on a some car made in Mexico(no tariff) for a US company racking up losses not profits.
Or maybe we'll see a Apple Switch Ad that features Crash Tests...
I was testing a car crash on the PC and it was like beeeeep beep beep beep beep beeeep! And then like half of my crash test was gone, and I was like unnnhhh...? It devoured my crash test.
It was a really good test. And then I had to test it again and I had to do it fast so it wasn't as good.
It's kind of...
a bummer.
Note to moderators: It's Funny, not off-topic.
LongTail SSH Brute Force analysis tool is here!
Does it? I'm still waiting for this process to bomb:
24345 jrennie 20 19 625M 625M 514M R N 0 98.8 41.4 62713m findFeatures.perl
Jason
so pick Linux, does any OS have more choices (JFS, XFS, ext3, Reiser) ?
Infuriate left and right
Aren't we past the point were Linux needs to be "adopted"? Is Linux an orphan that needs a home? Is Linux the red headed step child of operating systems? I think this shoud read "Linux Takes Over Chrysler (for vehicle simulations)".
'nuff said
You know, it's a shite state of affairs when one can't make a statement like "linux crashes" without people coming out to debate it.
You're not so seriously enamored and/or brainwashed that you think you have an uncrashable operating system in linux, are you?
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pants ahoy
For a cheap "compute farm" cluster, you can't beat Red Hat Advanced Server with Xenon's.
Sure you can, how about redhat iso's running on Athlon MP's (or soon Opterons). Free software on better price/performance hardware.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
What language is "(!=)"?
that's the part you missed,by mistake,of course from your cut/paste.I think you might have to w8 a while longer for the world domination.
wyndoz go krashey
hahahhah
Dell is adopting Windows ME in crash testing. The new system is expected to "simulate" crashes up to 300% faster than Windows 98
Ok, you win.. that beats it :)
However, I try to throw some cash Red Hat's way every now and then so they keep making distros.
Assume your cluster costs $50,000 to build (including the Giga-bit ethernet gear), you are only going to pay $l000 or less for the O/S.
That's a great deal and a half. Also, that paultry $1,000 investment keeps you in patches plus, gets your a year of email install/configuration tech support.
But, your solution is definately cheaper !
[frink]So much for my plan of getting a +5 Funny comment based on my karma-whore joke generator...[/frink]
--Joey
Mozilla, the ultimate IE popup killer
Linus: Thats why I'm here Bill. You see, back in Sandusky OH, there are 300 people working for Linux- we write the best open source software money can buy. And right now those people are in danger of cracking your windows. You're worried that some people are going to step up and help them. /.: Is that why you strapped a bomb to your body?
Linus: Oh this isn't somebody set us up the bomb,
these are rowad flares.
$Bill: Road Flares? Did you live inside power lines as a kid?
Linus: Hahaha. Why?
So, do you think Microsoft can help these folks?
$Bill: I'll be happy to swindle it-- err look into it.
Linus: Hey, I'll tell you what. I can get a good look at a car crash by sticking my head in there, but wouldn't I rather take linux's word for it?
Linus: $Bill, I'm not offering you a handout here, I'm offering you a great deal... This is an order for operation in analyzing car crash simulations to be controlled by Chrysler Group, organized by the open-source working man, for the open-source working man...
$Bill: Well, absolutely! It would be my great pleasure, what have I got to lose.
Slashdot Moderators: I don't believe it, Linus just sold the Chrysler Account!
$Bill: What difference does it make, the Chrysler company is going to be mine in less than ten minutes anyways, right?
Linus: Hehehhehee.
Slashdot: For the moment it looks like a swindler has been swindled, and a company has been sacrficed for another company. For slashdot, this is Tommy Boy.
--"The perfect example of the man of action is the suicide." - William Carlos Williams
Best damned joke of the day!
If i could Linux I would simulate something like the Battle Tank or the Space Shuttle?
Maybe Linux not simulate nothing but old Chrysler? No?
Sorry, I very bad english? Linux banned here. Only Microsoft on the menu.
What exactry does rinux being banned have to do with your bad Engrish?!?!?!?! Do yo feer more erette; how that you threw that in.
MOM
Too bad this is being done by a company that releases such shit unto the world. I sure hope they keep making uglier and uglier PT Cruisers!
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart,in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT," but then you would have to buy more seats.
6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but it would only run on five percent of the roads.
7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "general protection fault" warning light.
8. New seats would force everyone to have the same sized butt.
9. The airbag system would ask "are you sure?" before deploying.
10. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, you car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the antenna.
11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the cars performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
12. Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
13. You'd have to press the "start" button to turn the engine off.
I know (no idea how official this is) that a few big European car makers (think southern Germany) are also using Linux clusters for these simulations.
Approaching moving pedestrian.....
Kernel panic.
System Halted.
No, Beowulf clusters can't imagine in Soviet Russia.
used Windows, as it is more prone to crash?
- Come to think of it; Good 'ol clippy could be their crash-test dummy.
[clippy] (calm voice; he's used to crashes..)
"It seems as if we're moving towards a brick wall at excessive speed. Do you want me to take credit for it, if we somehow prove stable, i.e. not crash?" (he always does if you write something novel-sized in Word, if it turns out to be a bestseller..)
[clippy]
"We have now rammed into that wall, and as usual we've come to a halt."
- "Please re-boot.."
A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
MY XP never Crashes!! Linux SUXXX
The Windows OS was not mentioned once in the article, but the word windows appeared at least 26 times in people's posts! Here's a towel slashdot, wipe the sweat off.
We are a major supplier to Automotive industry. Linux has been part of our manufacturing process for a while now with great success. We got about 30 manufacturing machines running Linux, with more to follow. This allowed us to save substantial amount of money and do things that we could not do otherwise.
I'm only just waking up and I don't have my glasses on so my brain processed the headline as:
Chrysler Adopts Cowboy Neal for Vehicle Simulations
FreeSpeech.org
Why do all these General Motors references keep popping up in the comments, I wonder.. Doesn't anyone know that Chrysler is owned by Mercedes??
14) Your car, whenever on the highway, can be hijacked by 12 year olds with radio control systems, at will. GM issues aluminum foil 'patches' once a month or so, which require you to be on the highway in order to receive.
15) Replacing the car's tires, or radiator, or water pump requires you to ask GM to issue you new car keys since the old ones stop working.
16) GM requires you to be on the highway in order to sign up for using entrances and exits it proscribes in order to access the highway system. Bandits grab control of these points within days of whatever access system GM sets up.
17) GM talks fervently about the trusted driving experience to the media.
18) Gas stations inspect your map collection and require you to accept their GM maps to the GM highway system whenever you fill up, or have your car serviced.
19) Everytime you take your car in for service, they remove your personal changes to the car, and de-install any upgrades you've made, replacing them with ones approved by GM.
20) Whenever you play a song on the radio, GM is notified, a fee transaction required, and only GM can update your radio. Only GM musicians can play music on your radio.
I think its funny that companies switch to Linux and think its so damned genius they just have to tell everyone. Whos cares. Also, none of these "switched to linux" articles ever concede that a large part of the savings is that they upgraded the hardware as well. I dig open source, but people give themselves a little too much credit for using it. Last time I checked its pretty popular.
I submitted the same story with the much catchier headline of "Linux helps Chrysler's crashing"
2002-10-21 15:53:27 Linux helps Chrysler's crashing (articles,linux) (rejected)
Or maybe his submission was earlier. But mine would have gotten more eyeballs!
ngoy
--ngoy
Several students were asked to prove that all odd integers are prime.
The first student to try to do this was a math student. "Hmmm...
Well, 1 is prime, 3 is prime, 5 is prime, and by induction, we have that all
the odd integers are prime."
The second student to try was a man of physics who commented, "I'm not
sure of the validity of your proof, but I think I'll try to prove it by
experiment." He continues, "Well, 1 is prime, 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is
prime, 9 is... uh, 9 is... uh, 9 is an experimental error, 11 is prime, 13
is prime... Well, it seems that you're right."
The third student to try it was the engineering student, who responded,
"Well, to be honest, actually, I'm not sure of your answer either. Let's
see... 1 is prime, 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is... uh, 9 is...
well, if you approximate, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, 13 is prime... Well, it
does seem right."
Not to be outdone, the computer science student comes along and says
"Well, you two sort've got the right idea, but you'll end up taking too long!
I've just whipped up a program to REALLY go and prove it." He goes over to
his terminal and runs his program. Reading the output on the screen he says,
"1 is prime, 1 is prime, 1 is prime, 1 is prime..."
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