Interesting. How much does 1 degree actually affect our living conditions?
More importantly, I guess, is: if (in our hypothetical) it takes 10 years for our climate to increase temerature by one degree, and most of it is due to natural causes (that we assume will continue on trend), how much time have we really bought humanity by modifying our output?
Extrapolated to real numbers (provided we have any), is a variation in that 1 degree really worth what it costs? If we're talking a small fraction of 1 degree over 20 years, and that temperature difference isn't going to make things uncomfortable...
Point being I guess, everything has a price. Even human life. They do it for lawsuits and such all the time. What's the price for.1 degrees over a few decades if the earth is warming 4 degrees anyways?
Sorry, I'm rambling, but I guess I just need things in perspective.
Having read too many of the posts here on slashdot, it seems the question is more, "Are anthropogenic sources SERIOUS contributors?"
From what I'm reading, the scope of our pollution pales in comparison to "natural" sources, like volcanic eruption or solar variability. If this is true [you tell me], are we ignoring an elephant in the corner?
"Jarvis tried to earn his math spurs this fall by asserting that he filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the FCC on the fined Fox show "Married by America." Of the 159 complaints he said he was sent, only three count - because there were two original letter writers and the rest followed the form of a complaint from the Parents Television Council.
Perhaps Mr. Jarvis doesn't know this, but I know this, and will charge here publicly: the FCC is lying in a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. There were not just 159 complaints on this very smutty Fox show that featured simulated oral sex, breast-kissing, and other sexual antics on prime time broadcast television. The FCC has been awash in thousands of complaints, in faxes, e-mails, phone calls.
How do I know this? Because I know of over 4,000 PTC members who filed formal complaints on this program. Because I can assume many more non-PTC members complained. And because sources inside the FCC itself have confirmed this to me.
The FCC is saying officially that if an organization mobilizes its members to complain, and ten, or 100, or 10,000 people complain, it is only one complaint. FCC boss Michael Powell earlier this year issued the greatest insult of all when he labeled those who file grievances - the very taxpayers who pay his salary - as producers of "spam." Congress needs to step in, exercising its oversight responsibilities to investigate a federal agency that is complicit in an effort to thwart the public will."
I believe the IR signals you're talking about are like the Opticom systems they have in Elk Grove (Illinois, not in UK or California). All emergency vehicles have them built into their lightbars. When they flash, a small acknowledging light flips on over the street lights, the lights flip to green pretty quickly, and they seem to trigger downstream lights on major roads.
Now I don't know this part for sure, but I've heard you can purchase kits online and sync them to work with your city's system. I imagine this must be illegal (if even feasible), and most certainly dangerous.
Oh yeah, and I've tried the headlight thing all over in EG, and it hasn't worked for me. I don't know if other cities have older, less sophisticated systems??
I hope this wouldn't block a private, non-profit from these services, though.
Actually, then it probably falls under "PATRIOT" Act violation.
Kidding aside, I just mentioned elsewhere that I read somewhere Verizon was already working on updating with fiber. Guess it's too late for the gov to make an argument on that. I hear this is a situation in more than just PA. Maybe we'll see some other interesting case law on the subject.
Well, I guess they don't legislate against offshoring much because it's a good thing, all things considered. But that's a long (probably heated) topic, I guess.:)
Anyways, you're right... seems that if the government can do it better, faster, cheaper... might not be a terrible idea.
But I guess it's easy to say that when you're not the telco who has already sunk tons of money into the communications infrastructure there. I seem to remember seeing somewhere (this article?) that they were already planning on updating these areas with fiber soon. Be kinda brutal for the government to come in and set up a little socialist-style program and kick the telco's square in the junk.
But then, I'm not well read on this. I could be looking at it too much from Verizon's POV, instead of the consumer.
Apologize for responding to my own post, but I found the WSJ article I was reading the other day...
"The telecom companies argue that it is unfair for them to have to compete against the government. They say that the legislation enables them to improve service to their customers by investing in their networks. "If we put that money at risk, and here comes government to compete against us, with advantages that government has -- not paying taxes, access to capital at good rates... that severely limits the opportunity and limits our interest in taking the risk," says Eric Rabe, a spokesman for Verizon."
Actually, it's a law that dictates local governments can't make their own low-cost or free wifi access for it's citizens until the telco's get a crack at it. If the telco says no, the gov's can go ahead. I might be off about this, but it's what I remember reading in the WSJ yesterday. It might be to keep government from dominating communications services, but either way, it APPEARS to SUCK.
I think we need a major upheaval. Honestly, many of the techniques I've seen make spam virtually impossible, but everyone has to move over all at once,which will never happen.
Either way, it's irrelevant to the Lycos issue. What they're doing is questionable... end of story.
If they can take orders at 100,000 units, then they can manufacture them. You're probably right that they're probably only sitting on prototypes right now, but we know they can do it. Either way, they're demoing them at Linux Expo in February.
Lycos has stated that they will monitor each site to make sure their 33TB bandwidth weapon only slows sites instead of killing them.... which is apparently the boundary between legal and illegal. I have to say, this is a questionable way to handle the spam problem. More creative techniques exist.
Except that this isn't really spying. At least, it's not really intercepting a conversation that was meant to be private. It's like a CIA agent sitting on a bench next to you outside a starbucks, while you discuss bombing the embassy within earshot of 20 other people.
Just like Vonage's service here. You plug their box in between the cable/dsl modem, and your router. Then you plug your phone into the box. Oh, my verizon bill is like $45 with no long distance. You can get unlimited calling with Vonage for like 25.
He didn't say that the government is telling us everything they are doing. He just said that he's worried about the increasing volume of information thrown to the public. While this may be educational for many, controlling information is indeed an effective safety measure. I realize this is contrary to the opinion of most slashdot readers, but he's right.
Actually I was talking about "It I hate tha USA because it is dumb and I want all US to dies plus George W. Bush cause he's idiot" posts getting modded to +5 insightful, in articles about customs violations.
The article acts as if they should tell us how it works, precisely. While I'm sure many readers already have a good idea, I'm glad they're not just coming out with it.
Read the link before you post. The words following that were:
"as what I said could apparently be misconstrued as a threat to his life. After about ten minutes of talking to me and my family, they quickly came to the conclusion that I was not a threat to national security (mostly because we are the least threatening people in the entire world) and told me that they would not recommend that any further action be taken with my case."
Sounds reasonable to me. I'm glad they checked him out. Having a president killed is a bad thing. Bad enough to try to avoid.
And you don't know that what the man said was obviously facetious, because it's not there.
I suspect what your sig meant to say was "Murdering innocent people in the thousands because your country blows goats in every possible way = cowardice". No?
If I could type a response to every ass on slashdot that wants to comment on a situation they know less-than-nothing about...
Nobody kicked in any doors claiming the rubiks cube knockoff fell under the patriot act. Someone filed a complaint. CUSTOMS agents, which fall under DHS, gave the lady a hard time about one of the products in her store. They may be right, we don't know. We don't even know what the complaint was. She should know, but that's about the extent of what we KNOW is messed up here.
Jesus, the content of your post indicates you didn't even read the article, and people are pumping your karma because you hate Bush.
" Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said agents went to Pufferbelly based on a trademark infringement complaint filed in the agency's intellectual property rights center in Washington, D.C. "
Why is it that everyone has a heart attack every time someone mentions the DHS? This was a customs booch. Everyone is surprised? How people can expand this to global conspiracy is beyond me. Have you BEEN to a government office lately? Most of these people can't write their own names on a sheet of notebook paper. Someone asked the lady to take a product off their stores shelf. Hell, it was probably five 3x3 boxes in a bin by the register. This wasn't Kristallnacht people.
Now, how you managed to get to people making $600 a day in Iraq for the millionaires of the world while you vent about how you can't make VCR's for a living anymore, nobody knows.
Damnit, while you're yelling crap like this, there are people fighting battles without body armor or working vehicles, and people at home thinking we've spent too much precious money.
This was a bogus article in the first place, and the whole of slashdot will swallow it because they can mutate it into some wacked-out, tinfoil hat conspiracy of global scale.
Please think next time before you spout such nonsense. Failure to do so makes you no better than any other zombified, liberal dogma slinging ass. Shame on you.
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Interesting. How much does 1 degree actually affect our living conditions?
More importantly, I guess, is: if (in our hypothetical) it takes 10 years for our climate to increase temerature by one degree, and most of it is due to natural causes (that we assume will continue on trend), how much time have we really bought humanity by modifying our output?
Extrapolated to real numbers (provided we have any), is a variation in that 1 degree really worth what it costs? If we're talking a small fraction of 1 degree over 20 years, and that temperature difference isn't going to make things uncomfortable...
Point being I guess, everything has a price. Even human life. They do it for lawsuits and such all the time. What's the price for
Sorry, I'm rambling, but I guess I just need things in perspective.
Having read too many of the posts here on slashdot, it seems the question is more, "Are anthropogenic sources SERIOUS contributors?"
From what I'm reading, the scope of our pollution pales in comparison to "natural" sources, like volcanic eruption or solar variability. If this is true [you tell me], are we ignoring an elephant in the corner?
From the PTC's website, funny stuff:
"Jarvis tried to earn his math spurs this fall by asserting that he filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the FCC on the fined Fox show "Married by America." Of the 159 complaints he said he was sent, only three count - because there were two original letter writers and the rest followed the form of a complaint from the Parents Television Council.
Perhaps Mr. Jarvis doesn't know this, but I know this, and will charge here publicly: the FCC is lying in a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. There were not just 159 complaints on this very smutty Fox show that featured simulated oral sex, breast-kissing, and other sexual antics on prime time broadcast television. The FCC has been awash in thousands of complaints, in faxes, e-mails, phone calls.
How do I know this? Because I know of over 4,000 PTC members who filed formal complaints on this program. Because I can assume many more non-PTC members complained. And because sources inside the FCC itself have confirmed this to me.
The FCC is saying officially that if an organization mobilizes its members to complain, and ten, or 100, or 10,000 people complain, it is only one complaint. FCC boss Michael Powell earlier this year issued the greatest insult of all when he labeled those who file grievances - the very taxpayers who pay his salary - as producers of "spam." Congress needs to step in, exercising its oversight responsibilities to investigate a federal agency that is complicit in an effort to thwart the public will."
I believe the IR signals you're talking about are like the Opticom systems they have in Elk Grove (Illinois, not in UK or California). All emergency vehicles have them built into their lightbars. When they flash, a small acknowledging light flips on over the street lights, the lights flip to green pretty quickly, and they seem to trigger downstream lights on major roads.
Now I don't know this part for sure, but I've heard you can purchase kits online and sync them to work with your city's system. I imagine this must be illegal (if even feasible), and most certainly dangerous.
Oh yeah, and I've tried the headlight thing all over in EG, and it hasn't worked for me. I don't know if other cities have older, less sophisticated systems??
I hope this wouldn't block a private, non-profit from these services, though.
Actually, then it probably falls under "PATRIOT" Act violation.
Kidding aside, I just mentioned elsewhere that I read somewhere Verizon was already working on updating with fiber. Guess it's too late for the gov to make an argument on that. I hear this is a situation in more than just PA. Maybe we'll see some other interesting case law on the subject.
Well, I guess they don't legislate against offshoring much because it's a good thing, all things considered. But that's a long (probably heated) topic, I guess.
Anyways, you're right... seems that if the government can do it better, faster, cheaper... might not be a terrible idea.
But I guess it's easy to say that when you're not the telco who has already sunk tons of money into the communications infrastructure there. I seem to remember seeing somewhere (this article?) that they were already planning on updating these areas with fiber soon. Be kinda brutal for the government to come in and set up a little socialist-style program and kick the telco's square in the junk.
But then, I'm not well read on this. I could be looking at it too much from Verizon's POV, instead of the consumer.
Apologize for responding to my own post, but I found the WSJ article I was reading the other day...
"The telecom companies argue that it is unfair for them to have to compete against the government. They say that the legislation enables them to improve service to their customers by investing in their networks. "If we put that money at risk, and here comes government to compete against us, with advantages that government has -- not paying taxes, access to capital at good rates
I guess they kinda have a point.
Actually, it's a law that dictates local governments can't make their own low-cost or free wifi access for it's citizens until the telco's get a crack at it. If the telco says no, the gov's can go ahead. I might be off about this, but it's what I remember reading in the WSJ yesterday. It might be to keep government from dominating communications services, but either way, it APPEARS to SUCK.
You're right. And "Nope".
I think we need a major upheaval. Honestly, many of the techniques I've seen make spam virtually impossible, but everyone has to move over all at once,which will never happen.
Either way, it's irrelevant to the Lycos issue. What they're doing is questionable... end of story.
I wouldn't know if they take orders pay-in-advance. But maybe you should have tried it. :)
If they can take orders at 100,000 units, then they can manufacture them. You're probably right that they're probably only sitting on prototypes right now, but we know they can do it. Either way, they're demoing them at Linux Expo in February.
Lycos has stated that they will monitor each site to make sure their 33TB bandwidth weapon only slows sites instead of killing them.... which is apparently the boundary between legal and illegal. I have to say, this is a questionable way to handle the spam problem. More creative techniques exist.
Just go back to ball-mouse, instead of optical, and use the ball movement to power the RF?
Except that this isn't really spying. At least, it's not really intercepting a conversation that was meant to be private. It's like a CIA agent sitting on a bench next to you outside a starbucks, while you discuss bombing the embassy within earshot of 20 other people.
Will they also be responsible for sifting through and cutting short spurious IP claims?
This is added value over and above a simple card.
I never thought I'd read "added value" in regard to people's family christmas cards.
Just like Vonage's service here. You plug their box in between the cable/dsl modem, and your router. Then you plug your phone into the box. Oh, my verizon bill is like $45 with no long distance. You can get unlimited calling with Vonage for like 25.
He didn't say that the government is telling us everything they are doing. He just said that he's worried about the increasing volume of information thrown to the public. While this may be educational for many, controlling information is indeed an effective safety measure. I realize this is contrary to the opinion of most slashdot readers, but he's right.
Actually I was talking about "It I hate tha USA because it is dumb and I want all US to dies plus George W. Bush cause he's idiot" posts getting modded to +5 insightful, in articles about customs violations.
The article acts as if they should tell us how it works, precisely. While I'm sure many readers already have a good idea, I'm glad they're not just coming out with it.
Read the link before you post. The words following that were:
"as what I said could apparently be misconstrued as a threat to his life. After about ten minutes of talking to me and my family, they quickly came to the conclusion that I was not a threat to national security (mostly because we are the least threatening people in the entire world) and told me that they would not recommend that any further action be taken with my case."
Sounds reasonable to me. I'm glad they checked him out. Having a president killed is a bad thing. Bad enough to try to avoid.
And you don't know that what the man said was obviously facetious, because it's not there.
I suspect what your sig meant to say was "Murdering innocent people in the thousands because your country blows goats in every possible way = cowardice". No?
If I could type a response to every ass on slashdot that wants to comment on a situation they know less-than-nothing about...
Nobody kicked in any doors claiming the rubiks cube knockoff fell under the patriot act. Someone filed a complaint. CUSTOMS agents, which fall under DHS, gave the lady a hard time about one of the products in her store. They may be right, we don't know. We don't even know what the complaint was. She should know, but that's about the extent of what we KNOW is messed up here.
Jesus, the content of your post indicates you didn't even read the article, and people are pumping your karma because you hate Bush.
Poor
Yeah, what the fuck is Bush doing making my gas more expensive? You're an ass.
" Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said agents went to Pufferbelly based on a trademark infringement complaint filed in the agency's intellectual property rights center in Washington, D.C. "
Why is it that everyone has a heart attack every time someone mentions the DHS? This was a customs booch. Everyone is surprised? How people can expand this to global conspiracy is beyond me. Have you BEEN to a government office lately? Most of these people can't write their own names on a sheet of notebook paper. Someone asked the lady to take a product off their stores shelf. Hell, it was probably five 3x3 boxes in a bin by the register. This wasn't Kristallnacht people.
Now, how you managed to get to people making $600 a day in Iraq for the millionaires of the world while you vent about how you can't make VCR's for a living anymore, nobody knows.
Damnit, while you're yelling crap like this, there are people fighting battles without body armor or working vehicles, and people at home thinking we've spent too much precious money.
This was a bogus article in the first place, and the whole of slashdot will swallow it because they can mutate it into some wacked-out, tinfoil hat conspiracy of global scale.
Please think next time before you spout such nonsense. Failure to do so makes you no better than any other zombified, liberal dogma slinging ass. Shame on you.